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As I thought about what I wanted to say in my blog today, I realized it was going to be a poll of sorts, but I've done several in the past few days, and i hate to get into a rut. Then I thought, well, the reason I came back here was to talk to people, and have them talk to me, and the best way to do that is to ask questions that people like to answer. So here i go again.
 
When B. moved in, I established a couple of 'ground rules' that I told her would need to be followed if we are going to get along. She, of course, told me hers. She crossed one of those lines last night. The subject of that particular line is unemportant. But in response, I went into my room and closed the door. She chose later to cross another line, that of my private 'space'. We had agreed that when I went into my room and closed the door, she was to respect my privacy and stay out unless i gave her permission to come in. Instead, she just opened the door and tried to start the 'discussion' again. I had to tell her 5 times to 'please leave my room and close the door'. She did finally. To me, it was a matter of respecting my private space, and the agreement we had made.
 
My question, what lines have you drawn, with spouse, friend, child, dog or otherwise?


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  • beyondtheveil said on Nov 29, 2007....
    Boundaries are important. Everyone should have boundaries. The only line I've drawn with my wife is that she leave me completely alone when I'm sick. I don't want anyone around me when I'm sick, I must be alone.

    I've drawn many lines with my sons. Too many to mention. I've never had to draw lines with my best friends- very lucky there.

    My dogs? You don't poop in the house, I don't poop in your food bowl.
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Nov 29, 2007....
    In general, I don't (other than discipline-wise with my daughter, like "You don't touch the stove," "You will not hit your brother," and stuff like that).

    I don't have a huge need for me-space most of the time, but I don't have an ex living with me, either. I guess I just sort of trust that people who know me will sense my comfort levels with important things and respect them. People who don't know me that well don't get close enough to run the risk of offending/upsetting me with stuff like that.

    ~Infernal
  • Mr_Box said on Nov 29, 2007....
    I think that would drive me crazy too.
     
    If you specifically ask someone to give you space and not enter your closed room without permission, then they should respect that.
     
    In the meantime, get a lock for your door. That'll solve the problem.
     
    I don't really have too many boundaries like that with my wife or my daughter.
     
    But if I'm in the bathroom, stay out. That's the only place I definitely don't want to be disturbed.
     
    And occasionally if I'm stressed, I'll just go sit in there with a magazine and chill out. It's the only peace and quiet I can find sometimes.
     
     
  • travelr712 said on Nov 29, 2007....
    beyond - so how often have you had to poop in the bowl? :-)
     
    infernal - i set these boundaries because for 10 years, B. had absolutely no respect for my comfort levels. she acted like if she had a problem, it didn't matter where my lines were drawn, and i shouldn't bring them up. i don't think anyone should have to live with a spouse that treats them like their child. you are one of the lucky ones, i think.
  • moonriver said on Nov 29, 2007....
    moonriver k'ung fu-tzu say, with children, me always draw doodly squiggly lines that go everywhere... over chair, across dining table, under bed, toppling vase, run thru garden...

    with lover, me draw doodly squiggly lines that go everywhere too, but mostly all over our faces and bodies and intertwined limbs and fingers...

    in short, me set no fixed boundaries, except dmz's and aor's in times of war and diplomatic stand-off. i assume you in state of war or diplomatic crisis?

  • the_infernal_optimist said on Nov 29, 2007....
    I can understand that, trav. There's just so little difference between drawing lines and building walls sometimes that I don't want to go there unless there's a very good reason (although I have to say that I'm with Mr. Box on the bathroom thing - DH knows to leave me alone in there, since it's not often that I get to "go" in peace with my kids around all day! :-D).

    ~Infernal
  • wombat said on Nov 29, 2007....
    When we got engaged, my hubby to be told me there were three rules..
     
    Don't cheat on me.
     
    Don't drink and drive.
     
    And try not to burn the house down.
     
    For a joke, I once called him and said, "I am at a bar and will not be home tonight, but would you please check and see if I left the iron on?"
     
    We have a few silly rules now--but with time, we just work around each other.  I tell him to stay out of my stuff, but he doesn't always do that.
     
    We try to respect each other's privacy--meaning I don't look in his wallet.  And he tries his best to refrain from bothering me when I am in here in the computer room.  Instead, I come out every now and then to see if he is ok and needs anything.
     
  • travelr712 said on Nov 29, 2007....
    moon - LOL! me LUUUUUUUUV k'ung fu tzu!
     
    infernal and womby - i wrote some wonderful responses to you, and then sc ate them! i'm just too sleepy right now to reconstruct them, so i'll say thank you for your comments, and i'll try to respond to them later. i love you guys!
  • wombat said on Nov 29, 2007....
    Been having the same trouble, as usual.  No worries, mate.  Love you, too!
  • Suddenrain said on Nov 30, 2007....

    Hmmmm...

      My things are My things. No one touches without asking. Including my husband.

      I hold true to the bathroon rule also.

      When I'm sleeping, do not wake me unless the house is burning down.

    Those are my rules. Simple and easy to follow.

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 30, 2007....
    hm...i have very few boundaries w/ the mrs but that's obviously not the same situation as with your ex.

    my own boundaries are simple:

    don't snoop in my stuff please and in return i won't snoop in yours, whether e-mail, letters or purse/wallet. communications are private. i won't go into my wife's purse and she won't go into my wallet unless we're looking for cash.

    a closed bathroom door is sacrosanct. :>

    if i'm angry or upset i need a few minutes. i'll talk about it--i always do--but i need a few minutes to compose myself.

    with friends, it's different. when someone wants to tell me something, that's OK, although certain things i need not to know, esp as relates to my friends and their sexual peccadilloes. those things are fine to discuss in the abstract, but the nitty gritty details w/ their SOs are where i get prudish, something i mentioned in mr box's poll a while back about things you wouldn't know about me.

    ed
  • evil_twin said on Nov 30, 2007....
    When it comes to my home life, I like to have some boundaries. I need my space, and so does Natalie. And I would never look through her personal things, and I would expect the same thing in return. I don't like people going through my computers either. To me, that's like going through my head without my permission.

    I have a lot of things I've written that are for my eyes only. And for anyone to invade that space would upset me greatly. It's like reading a persons diary. And yes, I have personal thoughts I share here with everyone, and they're fair game. But it's my choice to share them. And I don't like it when anyone takes my choices away from me.

    So I do believe it's healthy to have certain boundaries. You don't have to always share everything with a person, just because you love them, or they're your friend. And when it comes to casual acquaintances or strangers, they better step back and not crowd my personal bubble. I'm very uncomfortable when people get too close to me when they're not invited to do so.

    -evil_twin LA
  • travelr712 said on Nov 30, 2007....
    infernal - i hear what you're telling me. i think that was one of our problems before. she could not respect the inate lines that need to be drawn, and so i drew overt ones, and she crossed those, and so they turned into walls. i'm not going to live in a relationship like that again. i don't have to. there are better ones out there.
     
    womby - i love that 'at the bar' phone call! sounds like something i'd do! but i guess that's what buggs me, the lack of respect she portrays for my privacy. it's like she has the idea that married people are supposed to be totally absorbed in each other, and neither should have any privacy. i see things differently (as if you couldn't tell :-)
  • seven_snowflakes said on Nov 30, 2007....
    My husband and I don't have a lot of boundaries.  He doesn't read my diary or this blog, although he knows they exist.  He could if he wanted to, but since I tell him everything anyway, it really isn't necessary.  He doesn't generally go into my purse without asking, and I don't go into his wallet without asking.  We don't touch each other's cell phones or e-mail accounts.  None of these things are spoken boundaries or anything we've ever discussed.  I guess we have just established a trust that goes so deep, it never occurs to either of us to snoop.  No need.  The only set boundary we keep is that we never let the other person worry about where we are - if we're going out or whatever, the other person either knows about it or can reach the other on the cell.  Again, it's not a control issue, but one of not imagining the love of your life dead in a ditch somewhere.

    Oddly enough, the bathroom door is always open (unless we have guests, or if he's making such a stink in there I close the door so I don't suffocate). 
  • travelr712 said on Nov 30, 2007....
    sudden - yeah, simple and easy to follow. and rules that everyone should respect. i like that. and glad to see you back btw :-)
     
    silver - i'm a big one for the 'give me a few minutes'. i do get angry like everyone else, and i really don't want to say something in anger that i'll regret later, so i want a few minutes to calm down before talking, or in this case, at least a day.
     
    et - yeah, i'm with you on that 'personal bubble' thing. i can't believe what that woman did to you the other day, getting into yours like that! who does she think she is? but i commend you for keeping your composure, my friend, i'm afraid i would have gone off on her and lost a customer. that's never good.
  • travelr712 said on Nov 30, 2007....
    seven - i agree with the letting the other person know part. causing undue worry like that is VERY inconsiderate to your s.o. but you know, i've read a couple responses now that deal with the wallet and computer and private things like that, and B. does not touch those as far as i know. so i guess she does respect my privacy in those areas, and i respect hers. maybe the issue is that she always wants to know what's going on in my head? or that she asks questions that i just don't want to answer, and won't take no? hmm, you've given me something to think about. thank you :-)
  • PassionTraveler said on Nov 30, 2007....
    Can you really have boundaries with cats? Hmmm.... If it worked, I would. It would save a whole lot of peace with the roomie.

    PT
  • CreativeWoman said on Nov 30, 2007....
    I guess there are no spoken boundaries with my husband.  He comes from a family of snoopers though and has inherited the trait.  That does tend to drive me a little crazy sometimes.  I don't snoop through his things and don't like it when he snoops through mine.

    CW
  • travelr712 said on Nov 30, 2007....
    pt - no, cats respect no boundaries but their own. :-P do you have any with your roommate?
     
    cw - have you two ever had a conversation about how it bothers you? i don't snoop through B.'s stuff either, and i know she doesn't snoop through mine. it seems like a lack of trust to me when someone does that, like they're looking for something to say 'HA! GOT YA!' with.
  • Mamie said on Nov 30, 2007....
    No, I don't have these types of boundaries per se. I pretty much let people be who they want to be, and I just choose to "not engage" if it is out of my interest field...I am laughing at what silver said, I think I am the same..if someone starts telling me too mich, I am like...dude....wanna go get coffee?
    My spouse is very responsive to my personal space, and I know when he needs his...so its all good!
  • PassionTraveler said on Nov 30, 2007....
    LOL. She sets them... ABOUT THE CATS! She has no clue.

    PT
  • travelr712 said on Nov 30, 2007....
    mamie - you know, i didn't know you very well before, and i'm sorry i didn't. over the last few days i've seen that you're a very wise woman, and i've come to respect and rely on your advice and perspective. wanna be friends? hmmmmmmm? :-)
     
    pt - LOL! you live with a clueless roommate! that's gotta be the pits! you're so in tune with everyone and everything, at least it seems that way to me. or is it a case of opposites make the best roommates?
  • PassionTraveler said on Nov 30, 2007....
    Other than pets, she doesn't like animals, we get along fine. Her former roommate had a small dog, and she simply said, I adjusted to the dog, I'll adjust to the cats. Boy, she didn't have a clue. Dogs are obedient, and the smaller ones can't reach countertops, her sofa and diningroom tables, so yeah, she's getting an education.

    And by the way, THANKS for that very very nice comment about me being in tune with everyone and everything... maybe that's my Empathic side. :)

    Later, off to a local sports bar with coworkers. Our sales team closed out the month well above target goals! CFO is paying for everyone!

    PT
  • Fallyn said on Dec 01, 2007....
    i don't have enough boundaries.
    and too many at the same time.

    learning how to do boundaries is something i'm working on.
  • travelr712 said on Dec 01, 2007....
    fallyn - i think you're doing fine learning how to set them. baby steps, right?
     
    ed - enough said.
  • Fallyn said on Dec 01, 2007....
    babysteps, right.
  • crybabylu said on Dec 04, 2007....
    I would want that same boundary.  If I go to my room and shut the door, especially in the manner in which you did it, I would want my privacy.
  • harriedpsychmajor said on Dec 04, 2007....
    I live with my family. My parents and brothers, and for the most part everyone except for my father respects some rules.

    -It's only my mother and I who pay rent, so I expect everyone to pitch in with the housework.
    -I will agree to buy groceries for the family, but there are some things I buy for myself and I wish not to be eaten. This is by far the rule that gets broken the most.
    -When I'm in my room, leave me the hell alone. I'll eat dinner when I'm hungry.
    -There's no lock on our bathroom door. So if it's closed, there's someone in there. Try to be mindful.

    I'm not a particularly private person, but my alone time is what keeps me on an even keel. So don't screw with it.
  • travelr712 said on Dec 04, 2007....
    and here i thought this post was dead! thanks for your comments cry and harried. or should i say harried and cry, cause that usually follows (obscure humor, i know!) :-) some boundaries are very important to me, and i think B. understands that now.
  • VioletEyes said on Dec 07, 2007....

    Boundaries.... hmmm....

    As far as s.o. would be concerned, I think it's the same as what everyone else is saying on here..... computer, bathroom, when I say I need some space, leave me alone

    With my son I do have to have some boundaries. He's 3, and he doesn't get that he can't be with mommy every single moment. The boundaries are simple. Bathroom time, and getting dressed. My time (and really it's inappropriate not to have those boundaries anyways, lol)

  • travelr712 said on Dec 07, 2007....
    hi again violet :-) yeah, my 7 year old comes and sits on the couch right beside me, like, putting his leg over mine and all. it's really cute, really sweet and it drives me bonkers sometimes! we're beginning to deal with the concept of 'invading someone's personal space' now. he's doing pretty well with the 'can't have my attention every second' thing tho, so there's a plus :-)
  • VioletEyes said on Dec 07, 2007....

    Just a question though.....and I'm not trying to justify her over stepping your boundaries, just maybe another perspective.....

    So I know myself, when things go wrong, I'm a talker, I like to work things out right away. That's how I cope, and it has been hard on me sometimes when others need that time away first before they can work things out. Maybe she didn't realize that she was overstepping - she just really wanted to work things out with you...?

    Again not justifying what she did, just maybe it wasn't done on purpose.....

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