This is a comment I wrote that is so long I figured I'd give it its own post.
I've read a lot about the afterlife. My favorite books are by Michael Newton, and are called Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls. Newton is a shrink of a sort, someone who medical doctors referred patients to, when they found no physical cause for the patient's pain. Newton would hypnotize the patient and age-regress them to when the pain started, hoping to make some progress and alleviate the patient's pain. He had enough success that doctors kept referring patients to him when they themselves were at the end of their rope.
Newton was a conservative, traditional type of shrink. He did not believe in anything out of the ordinary. But one day, one of his patients, complaining of pain in his side that had absolutely no discernible cause, age-regressed to a past life in World War One when he was bayonetted in the side. Newton had one of those "Holy shit!" moments. Since the technique worked, Newton continued to regress patients into past lives. He didn't care if the past lives were real or not. That was utterly irrelevant to his practice. The important thing to him was that his patients were doing very well, getting rid of their pain. That, after all, was his job.
He was very successfully and effectively regressing many of his patients into past lives, getting great results, when he had another, and very different, "holy shit!" moment. One of his patients reported that she was in Heaven. She was in contact with her friends in Heaven, friends she missed terribly in her present incarnation. This led Newton to include in his practice the art of hypnotizing people not only into other lives, but into "life between lives".
This was his most fascinating work. But it was very tough to do, as a practicing hypnotist. It took hours to get someone so hypnotized that they could actually be in contact with Heaven. It was extremely hard work. It wasn't just one of your "I'm going to count backwards from ten to one, and with each number you will go deeper and deeper into hypnosis." In order to hypnotize people so deeply, he had to become one of the best hypnotists around, and it was a struggle.
He wrote about the thousands of patients he hypnotized to the point of having them report about Heaven. He wrote that they were all reporting similar things, all confirming each other's reports, even though they didn't know each other. He claimed that he never "led the witness" with leading questions that pulled out answers he was looking for. He claimed that they often contradicted him, and most definitely had minds of their own, that it wasn't a matter of him planting suggestions in their minds.
Newton's patients report over and over that there is a God, it is not anything like Jehovah, that we ourselves are creators in training, that we have immortal souls, that we have dear friends and loved ones in Heaven who we may or may not know here on Earth this time, that there are spirit guides for all of us. I read both of his books twice over, and I know quite a bit about them. I also read his third book, but that one is geared more towards the hypnotist, and reveals nothing new about Heaven, so I don't recommend it.
I don't know if Newton is on to something or not, but I think there's a good chance he is. My own beliefs were heavily influenced by his books. Any reader of Michael Newton would recognize him in the beliefs I write about here. But I'm not completely sure he is right about any of this. I'd be much more comfortable with it if someone else came out with a book reporting on the same subject, using the same hypnotic technique, and either confirmed or corrected Newton. I'm not fully convinced that Newton really didn't "lead the witness". If you aren't in the room watching the hypnotic experience, you can't be sure what really went on. So I hold out the definite possibility that all of Newton's writing is worthless, but I think there's a good chance that he's right on target, or usually on target, and that his books are terrific and for the most part accurate.
lfbno7 posted on Nov 15, 2007
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quietone said on Nov 15, 2007....
As Moulder would say "The truth is out there" x-files. I loved that show. Not that this has a thing to do with afterlife! I have heard of Newton, but not read his books. I feel there is some kind of "life" continual, but we are kept separate from each for some definate "end" reason. ? I don't think that made much sense, but I know what I'm saying. -
lfbno7 said on Nov 15, 2007....
I think you mean that there is an afterlife, but I didn't really get the second part about being kept separate. Do you mean by separate that we are not allowed to remember the other life? I think the reason for that is because if we remembered our real life, it would eliminate a lot of the effect of each Earth life. Here on Earth we think we can get away with things, we think we can screw people over without repercussions. That's not the case. We can't screw anyone over without repercussions. We are supposed to live our lives here as if nobody can see us, but we are there for the seeing, there are no secrets, the concept of a secret, or even of privacy, are impossibilities, all is known and all facts are available, and if we knew that, it would affect our behavior too much and negate a big part of this experience, this test. -
preacherman said on Nov 16, 2007....
I found your post to be fascinating. -
Fallyn said on Nov 16, 2007....
i'm still fascinated by all this.
i'll have to read some of his work.
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lfbno7 said on Nov 16, 2007....
If I had only a few books to take to a desert island with me, Journey of Souls by Michael Newton, and its sequel Destiny of Souls, would be in the suitcase. The thing that knocks me out about them is that they might actually be true, and they offer so much information. Of course they aren't proven, so it may be completely wrong, but there's a shot anyway, and I like that he's getting information from thousands of different people, not just from his own imagination. -
Fallyn said on Nov 16, 2007....
i'd take Ishmael.
i have a few problems with his ideas....but it's the only thing i've found that fits well with what i tend towards believing
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lfbno7 said on Nov 16, 2007....
What did Ishmael have to say? The only Ishmael I know is the protagonist in the book Moby Dick, which starts with the line "Call me Ishmael." -
Fallyn said on Nov 16, 2007....
Ishmael is a gorilla.
who teaches that humans are not flawed and have no greater purpose in the world than any other kind of animal.
there's a lot more.
i actually have a lot of respect for daniel quinn....even if i find some of his ideas too far fetched.
there is a koan in the gorillas office....yes, i did say office.
and it reads.
where would gorilla be without man
and on the back
where would man be without gorilla
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quietone said on Nov 16, 2007....
Lbno ~ I find all this very interesting myself, like I want to know the answers to it all. Of course, I won't find them until the time comes and I am where I am supposed to be...the final life/or afterlife. Yes, I agree that is why our lives are kept from us, it would interfere with our growth and the things we need to learn in each life. so I hear we keep coming back until we get it right....oh, I must have come back many, many times already, and have a few more to go!! -
lfbno7 said on Nov 16, 2007....
The way Michael Newton tells it, it isn't exactly that we keep coming back until we get it right. That is more of a Buddhist belief, that we keep trying to perfect ourselves until we can finally attain Nirvana. I never liked that belief myself. I don't think we ever get it perfect and I don't want Nirvana particularly.
The way he puts it, we are encouraged by our wise elders to keep coming back. They want us to. They want us to keep improving our character. But if we don't want to, we don't. I hope I don't come back. I'm feeling fine just the way I am, and I'm happy to improve my character some other way. It seems like a drag if you have to keep coming back to somewhere you don't want to be, in order to attain something that smacks of "ambition". But what do I know, I'm just one of the slaves, one of the worker ants. -
Fallyn said on Nov 16, 2007....
i'd like to come back and live other lives. experience all there is to experience.
realizing of course that there are a lot more bleak and dreary lives out there
a lot more of those than there are of lives that are wealthy, easy, or interesting.
but i guess part of my belief is that the personality underneath comes through and you are still you no matter what life you are in.
i'm not even sure i'm making sense to myself.
i just woke up.
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quietone said on Nov 16, 2007....
Lbno ~ I am with you on that...I think I have come back enough..I don't want to come back anymore either.
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