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My religious beliefs

lfbno7 posted on Nov 11, 2007 | views: 1082 | Tags: religion, philosophy, beliefs, belief, religious, cfsdf, faith
In this country where religious tolerance is one of the things we supposedly believe in, these are my religious beliefs.

1. All of the early, pre-writing stories in the Bible are fictitious. By pre-writing I mean before the Sumerians came up with written language thousands of years ago. In other words, I don't believe in the accuracy of the old children's game Telephone, whereby people repeat something in each other's ear, around a table, and it comes back in some distorted form. I disbelieve in "oral tradition". Those stories include the six day creation, Adam and his pal Steve, Cain and Abel. Those stories are all based in a time before they could have been written down by people. I also disbelieve in the Job story, not because of the antiquity of its events, but because there are no human witnesses to conversations between supernatural beings. The daily newspapers can't even get a story right the evening after it happens, so how can oral tradition get a story right hundreds or thousands or millions of years after the events.

2. I disbelieve in all of the Bible stories that report miracles. That includes Moses parting the sea, Jesus being born of a virgin, and any other exaggerations that appear in the Bible. I think they are all just farfetched whoppers used to gain converts.

3. I do believe in most of the stories that appear in the Bible, the ones with a historical base. I see no reason to disbelieve a perfectly believable report that could well have been written down shortly after its occurrence. I also believe in the teachings of Jesus, not that they are handed down to us from a God, but that they were in fact the teachings of Jesus, a smart guy.

4. I believe in an afterlife. After we "die", we still live. We return to our eternal home in Heaven, or whatever you want to call it. Our friends and loved ones are there. We have tons of things to do there. There is no such thing as "death" and no such thing as "rest in peace". This one life we're living isn't the be all and end all. It is one small incident in our ongoing lives.

5. I believe in creationism. I disbelieve in Darwinism. I think that creators designed all of the life forms on Earth and everywhere else. I don't think evolution sensibly explains the myriad of amazing plants and animals that have appeared on Earth. I don't think that random accidental undirected mutation can result in the amazing and impressive order that we see, and the awesome innovations like the bat's sonar and the eel's electricity. I see no reason to ascribe these amazing traits to blind lucky accident, when it is so much more direct to say somebody came up with the idea and made it real. No need to discover a missing link between any two species if you accept that creators can do whatever they damn please, limited only by their imagination and skill. And since I believe that we continue to exist after death, we don't need to make a mystery out of who these designers might be. I think it is us. We're the creators. Or those more experienced than ourselves, our elders in spirit.

6. I believe in God. I don't know where God comes from, what God's name is, what God does all day, who God's friends are, who God's mommy and daddy are, etc. To me, it's just going up the ladder. I don't know who is higher on that ladder than God, if anyone. I don't think that God creates our bodies or the bodies of a thousand different species of beetle. I think that duty falls to lesser beings, to us and those above us. Basically, I just believe in a being of love and wisdom who is way beyond us. Why the hell not? We exist. Why shouldn't God? I don't think that God is male. I think when we picture God as a male we're just showing our gender discrimination. I think God is either both genders or neither, but I don't discount the possibility that God is one or the other, which would be in keeping with the belief that there are lots of them of both genders.

7. I believe in angels. I believe that when we pray to God, we can be heard by God, but God doesn't micro manage. I believe we are heard by angels, who may be able to help us too. And who are those angels? We are. Our friends are. Our teachers are. I think that "angel" is just the other side of who we are. It is who we return to being, after the body dies.

8. I believe that every single thing that mankind has ever done or thought is screwy and all messed up. It comes with the territory. People are neophytes. People are baby souls learning to think, and very low on the scale. Because we are so flawed, it stands to reason that we fuck up everything we do, and we have done exactly that. Tell a four year old to make you a book case. It will come out all fucked up. Just like every human society that has ever existed.

9. In keeping with number 8 above, I think that every country that has ever existed on Earth sucked. That most definitely includes the good ole USA. It sucks. We're nowhere near getting it right. It's all fucked up. It's fucked up by greedy baby souls who fix the game. I think that the concept of patriotism is a tribal concept about guarding the watering hole from other tribes, and that America is a bunch of asshole monkeys jumping around a watering hole and then fucking each other all they can, hoarding whatever they can from each other, showing no loyalty to each other. I think it's a sick joke that America talks about a particular connection to God, when America is a bunch of greedy bastards taking everything they can.

10. I believe that all the popes, all the presidents, all the saints, all the people we are supposed to honor, were and are a bunch of crap.

11. Some of the few people who I actually think did a pretty good job here and had something worthwhile to contribute are Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, Jesus, Einstein, John Adams, and some people here and there who had something original to say, though nobody heard of them.

12. The current Christian negativity on all matters sexual is just another dumb screwup, and it's no big deal if two homos do things to each other, they aren't sinning, they're just living. Masturbation and fornication are not sins. Sex is not a sin, no more than singing or eating. The Indians have a much saner view of it, with their Kama Sutra, and the Western hangup about sex is a psychological disorder, one of many.

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Comments

  • lfbno7 said on Nov 11, 2007....
    I left out that I also believe that the Adam and Eve story is a slander against God because it makes God out to be extremely unfair and dishonest. And similarly, I consider the Noah and the Flood story to be slanderous against God because it makes God appear as a homicidal maniac, more like Satan, Charles Manson and Hitler than anything remotely good.
  • evil_twin said on Nov 11, 2007....
    I must agree with most of what you said. These resemble a lot of my own beliefs too. My personal feeling is that the Bible is just a story someone wrote. Based on facts, but not entirely accurate. It exists to send a positive message to people, but that doesn't mean it's 100% factual.

    It's like a fable. Most of those were based on actual events too. They were just cleaned up and dramatic details were added, so people would be interested in hearing them. And in the end, there was always a lesson to be learned. But it's still a fable. It's not real. But if you get the message it's trying to tell you, then it's done it's job.

    I believe there is a male and female God, because why wouldn't there be? In my head, that just makes sense to me. And I believe in guardian angels and spirits, because we can't do this alone. Like you said, most of the time, we're too stupid. And also, I think we need something to turn to when we know we're screwing up. Our angels and spirit guides help us put things in perspective.

    This was an interesting post. And even if other people don't agree, which they won't, I enjoyed reading this.

    -evil_twin LA

  • lfbno7 said on Nov 11, 2007....
    Well one person liked it anyway!
  • quietone said on Nov 11, 2007....
    Lbno ~ I liked it too. I don't have to agree with it all though.  There are some good people in this country...world they aren't all bad - the way I read this, you kinda lumped all of americans together.  I do believe this country is way messed up..but not all of us are bad and greedy.  And the bible part...well, I wasn't there, I don't know.  I guess that is why some call it "faith".  I do believe there is another form of "life" after we leave this body..as we are all based on "energy" at some level, and will return to that. 
  • beyondtheveil said on Nov 11, 2007....
    7- I want to comment on two of these. In number six I believe it absurd to link gender with God. God to me is the deep reality of all that exists. God cannot be matter because matter does not exist at that level. God is thought and consciousness. People are going attribute anthropomorphic characteristics to their Gods to be closer and understand them better (so they think).

    On number twelve, I just saw a documentary that said sex was put into the closet during the Victorian age. There were Christians who pounced on sex before that age, but from what I've read, most didn't pay much attention. For the people in days of yore, I think sex was quite open.

    Good read, you have a way of putting things, I must say.
  • pickersplock said on Nov 11, 2007....
    Well, we're not that far apart in our religious beliefs.
    Although, I think that the vast majority of people in the world are trying to do the best they can.
      Let's say 65% are trying their best and 25% don't know their ass from their elbow, and the remaining 10% are pure evil!
  • lfbno7 said on Nov 11, 2007....
    I think the pure evil ones are Dark Souls who were born evil, people with no conscience, whose only joy is to cause misery. I think they are pretty rare, like Jeffrey Daumer, Son of Sam, Hitler. Just above them on the scale would be the people who are extremely selfish to the detriment of others, and there are lots of them, maybe that whole 10% that pickers was referring to.
  • sheltercrow said on Nov 11, 2007....
    It’s a rare person who does not believe in a reasoned harmony of logically discordant elements.
  • madmahd said on Nov 11, 2007....
    I don't believe in religion. I think it's man-made. I think it was created to enslave the minds of the populace. I think it is an opiate for the miseries that we have to endure here on earth. I don't believe in Jesus. There is no proof that he ever existed. The only books that talks of him is the bible and there are so many versions of it. People talk of him as if he is the son of god, but the bible talks of him as if he is the sun-god. I do believe in god however. Six years ago, my wife was in labor and I was in the room for support. It took some seven hours but my son finally arrived. At that point I realized who god was. The universe is a macrocosm of something so obvious yet so amazing. THE WOMB OF THE WOMAN AND THE LIGHT OF THE MAN. God represents the duality of woman and man. Do not believe that man came first then woman. It's quite contrary. Man is made in the image of the woman.
  • gamebox said on Nov 11, 2007....
  • desertsienna2 said on Nov 12, 2007....

    I agree with evolution. The Bible is a historical record of prophets and Jesus, and should be researched for its true meaning and not taken literally.  I don't like the anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-feminist rhetoric coming out of the mouths of fundamentalists.  They need to get out of the political process and live in their own communities and run their own lives.  They don't need to do it to everyone else.

     

    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/96876/Journeys

  • crybabylu said on Nov 12, 2007....
    I couldn't believe how much i agree with you.  I agree with 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12.
    I wouldn't have worded it quite the way you did, but it was more similar than dissimilar.  Good read......dee
  • Fallyn said on Nov 12, 2007....
    i believe that the story of cain and able was actually an ancient story about two neighboring tribes, one who discovered agriculture and basically completely took over and killed off the other for their land.

    oral tradition passed down in story form, how tribal stories often are.
    they just forgot to write down the meaning of it too.

    there is some evidence to support this......but not many people really see it that way.
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 12, 2007....
    i'm rather glad you outlined your beliefs, lbf. i've found myself at times wondering how you felt about various things in the past. :>

    ed
  • lisamay said on Nov 12, 2007....
    i too enjoyed your list. i especially liked your views on sex. i would love to be able to reconcile sex and christianity ... hard to believe God would create sex and then put such tight limitations on it :) lisa
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 12, 2007....
    You cant say I dont believe in evolution and darwinism and then state that you believe in angels??? If you have research that satisfies you that evolution dosnt prove that we evolved into our current state then how can you simply just state "I believe in Angels"
     
    I think like most people when it comes to religion you are a little mixed up. I dont mean that to sound rude because its not ment that way. Many people are confused about religion and faith. There are so many faiths and so many different versions of belief that any logical thinker is forced to look at all of them with two gauges in mind.
     
    1. Is it more probable that a god exists than evolution
    2. Can it be proven
     
    It is not more probable and it cant be proven so their for the only resonable and testable theory is that of evolution. You must remember that religion is not fact It is also a theory.
     
    The theory of god has no supporting evidence and the theory of evolution does. The theory of god cant be tested and analysed and the theory of evolution can.
     
    SG 
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 12, 2007....
    strictly speaking, SG, he can say whatever the hell he likes: it's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

    still working that devil's advocate angle?

    ed
  • lisamay said on Nov 12, 2007....
    The theory of god has no supporting evidence and the theory of evolution does. The theory of god cant be tested and analysed and the theory of evolution can.

    I dont think this is true at all ... both are based on circumstantial evidence.
    the theory of evolution sees changes and makes the leap of faith that everything came from those changes - for no reason whatsoever at that .. with no guiding force ...
    i dunno, that sounds pretty preposterous to me and there is no evidence to support that ..

    billions and billions of people have experienced God .. that is actual evidence that would be admited in court
    whereas the idea of seeing change and using that to explain the universe would not.


  • StupidGenius said on Nov 12, 2007....

    Silver, not sure the devils advocate is working for you but good luck. Thought better of you than to take my "You cant" as a statement that I own the copyright to free speech but never mind. I’m sure your saying "oops sorry" to the screen right now so that’s fine.

    Evolution makes no leaps of faith. It is merely progressive. It is based on fossilised testing and dating and also actual evidence which is supported by numerous tests.

    A person standing in court saying that they saw god would not be accepted as evidence of his existence I’m afraid. If someone says “a ghost burnt my house down so I would like to claim my insurance money and move to the Bahamas please" I’m 100% sure that a jury would ask for actual physical evidence that this took place. I’m also sure that the police would not put out an a.p.b with the description "Looks distinctively like Casper but HELL NO!! is he friendly".

    SG

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 12, 2007....
    ah, SG...it's good to see that you don't take yourself that serioiusly. :>

    nice to see you again, btw. :>

    ed
  • lfbno7 said on Nov 12, 2007....
    I'm glad that all of you who got something out of my post got something out of my post.
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 12, 2007....
    I got something... paracetamol took care of it tho!
     
    Just kidding
     
    SG
  • CalmDown said on Nov 12, 2007....
    MadMahd: Jesus never existed? The Romans documented every uprising, every execution. Jesus of Nazareth was documented as being crucified at the request of the kingdom of Israel (a Roman province in the the first century)  I agree with much of what Ifbno 7 says about the bible and the origins of organized religion, but believe in him or not the man existed. Santa & the Tooth fairy could never change the world. 
  • lfbno7 said on Nov 13, 2007....
    I'd be surprised to learn that Jesus never existed. The Gospels seem like a historical report of actual things that happened, and how much documentation can we really demand after two thousand years have passed. Why would four different people all be in collusion to write about a fictional character? I'm sure we can all come up with answers to that question, but they'd be pretty far fetched. Anything's possible, but I'd guess there's a very high probability that Jesus existed and was fairly accurately described. Like 95%. I'd make it a 20-1 longshot that a group of early Christians decided to concoct this whole thing.

    Lisa, I think we see things about the same. Stupid Genius, I can tell that we'd just butt heads on this without really connecting, because you seem to disagree with everything I say, and I return the favor. I see no sense in your comments worth responding to, and you see no sense in mine, so that's a good place to end it. It just seems to me that every single word you say is wrong, down the line. No point in continuing.
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 13, 2007....

    Does it realy matter if he existed or not. If the romans documented everything then there would be proof of his miracles, proof of resurection etc etc etc. He was most likely a talented public speaker. Maybe a good story teller. Lets remember people that there are many many many stories that match exactly the story that is depicted in the bible of jesus.

    SG

  • madmahd said on Nov 13, 2007....
    Calmdown, I'd like to see that proof you have of all the documentations the Romans supposedly had of Jesus of Nazareth. It seems awful strange that such an important being as Jesus has no written history other than in the bible. We don't even know when he was born. I have to concur with StupidGenius when he states of the multitudes of saviours throughout history predating Jesus the Christ. For example: Mithra, Chrishna, Buddha, Quetzaquotal, Asar, and Heru were all similar in many ways to the story of Jesus with the exception that they predate him.
  • lisamay said on Nov 13, 2007....
    I have to concur with StupidGenius when he states of the multitudes of saviours throughout history predating Jesus the Christ. For example: Mithra, Chrishna, Buddha, Quetzaquotal, Asar, and Heru were all similar in many ways to the story of Jesus with the exception that they predate him.

    how is that relevant ?

    whether there were similar stories doesnt matter .. .does not impact whether he existed or whether any of the stories are true ..


  • silverwhisper said on Nov 13, 2007....
    don't forget dionysus and his virgin birth, btw. :>

    ed
  • madmahd said on Nov 13, 2007....
    I'm not saying that any of the stories are true they are considered myths.  The point is that Christianity is considered the gossple and the truth based on Jesus the Christ.  There is people walking around today with the name Jesus but it is the story that is told of him that makes him a god.  The stories of the fore mentioned saviours is an exact duplicate of Jesus the Christ.  
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 13, 2007....

    You have it round the wrong way Madmahd.

    The stories predate jesus, therfor they were written about before jesus was even supposed to have existed. The story of jesus was written simply because in order for a religion to suceed a prophet, Idol, God like person is required so that the worshipers have someone to direct their worship toward.

    Just because a strory is written about someone it dosnt make them a god. Many stories have been written about fairies and such but no one claims that they are gods or that they created the earth.

    My feeling is that is simply ignorance to assume that a god exists.

    SG

  • StupidGenius said on Nov 13, 2007....
    Also its Jesus Christ not Jesus the christ.
     
    SG
  • madmahd said on Nov 13, 2007....
    Sorry SG, it's the Christ which means the annointed one, thought you knew.  You have a computer look the other saviours up on google and also look up christ you will understand what I am talking about. Oh yeah god exists, you just been looking in the wrong place.  When they say that god is in us they weren't kidding understand that life comes from us.  Imagine how a baby is born with the seed in the mother and the light in the father.  It is a microcosm of the universe that is how everything is created.  The problem is that we take the power away from the woman.  Without her there is no existence!  So god is a duality both woman and man with man in the image of the woman.  Ifbno7, now this is something deep to talk about.
  • crybabylu said on Nov 13, 2007....
    To SG:--Either Jesus Christ or Jesus the Christ are acceptable.
  • pookiedookie said on Nov 13, 2007....
    I believe the bible is 100% inspired by God.  HEAR...inspired, not written by.
    Now what gets me is people say "How can the Bible be accurate?  Most of that stuff doesn't make any sense. 
    Since, I am a son of a preacher man, I got taught from the time I came out of my mamas  belly, and drilled over and over and over in my head, and since i am now 30 something, i have been well learned in the scriptures.
    Now, at first i thought most of it was a piece of crap!  But over the past 6 years,  I have read that bible over 36 times, and studied and studied.
    Went to the Greek (the new testament is written in)
    Went to the Hebrew (the old testament is written in)
    And I believe it is a combination of many writers all telling it from their points of view.
    In Short--Do I believe the Bible is true?  Yes indeed.  will sit down with anyone at anytime and talk in length.
     
     
  • madmahd said on Nov 13, 2007....
    Alright pookie, can you explain why genesis spoke of two women?  Why are there so many different interpretations/versions of the bible?   Can you explain the "hamitic curse"?  Why am I hearing that the three major religions originated in Egypt?  Why are there so many different saviours?  Why am I hearing that Heru the Egyptian god was the first KRST (christ)?  Why are there so many different denominations within the Christian religion?  Are going to provide some facts from books other than the bible or are just going to preach from the pulpit?  I hope you got answers because the world is waiting.
  • pookiedookie said on Nov 13, 2007....

    MADMAHD:

    You are throwing out a question and expecting a reasonable answer without giving me where in Genesis you are making reference to.

    My assumption is, however, that you are referring to Sarah and Hagar.

    When Abram was 99, the “promise” was renewed, a distinction between being made of “temporal” blessings for

    Ishmael and “spiritual for Isaac. After the promise was given, Sarai’s name was changed to Sarah, and Abram’s name was changed to Abraham. And the government of

    circumcision was given to the family and servants. Ishmael was the first born of Abraham, and Jewish tradition believes that he was born to Hagar, the servant of Sarah, because she was barren at that time.

    Concerning your question on so many translations: There were other Bibles at the time of the King James version, but that was the first originally acceptable translation of the Western English-speaking World. Other translations that were also acceptable to some degree were those written by Martin Luther in the German translation. One reason that this particular translation was acceptable is because there are many things within the “Vulgate” that are parallel to the King James version.

    The “hamitic curse”, as you call it, was cast on Ham, the son of Noah, after the ark came to rest on dry land and a celebration ensued, thus Noah becoming drunk and was naked, and Ham mocked him for being in a ’drunken’ state. Some speculate that it was the beginning of the black race, but that is their own interpretation of that. The bible says only, that he and his offspring would know generations of servitude. He went into the regions of Ethiopia to live and raise his family, and after generations of descendants, Egyptian (chem or dark). Ham was one of the sons, perhaps the third, settled in Africa, and sent many branches into Asia, and the Canaanites. There is no ancient name so well preserved and located than Ham is. Ham is identified each Jupiter, Ammon, Seus.

    Because both words are derived from a root word meaning hot, fervent, sunburnt.

    For the last 3,000 yrs. The world has mainly been indebted for the advancement to the semetic races. But before this people, the decedents of Ham, Egypt, and Babylon, led the way as the pioneers in art, literature, and science.

    Mankind at present day lies under infinite obligations to the genius and industry of those early ages. More especially for the alphabetic writing., weaving cloth, architecture, astronomy, plastic art, sculpture, navigation and agriculture. Navigation, and the art of painting is also represented and music indirectly by drawings of instruments. The sons of, and grandsons of Ham and their location, is in Africa and the land of Canaan. It is believed that Shem’s decedents became the lighter or Caucasian races. While Japath decedents were oriental and/or North American Indian, and Ham’s was the early race in bringing about civilization.

    The three major religions originating in Africa is Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

    Jesephus (Gr., Lat, form of Joseph)Flavious Josephus is an ancient historian whose works were composed from materials found in the scripture, “The Apocrypha, the Targums, and Jewish Traditions.”

    It is believed that he intended to tell the truth as far as he knew except when the Jewish people or the Roman power were to be flattered; when his text was “colored” for just that purpose. This may be the reason why he so carefully omitted any mention of Jesus in his teachings, because it must have caused a great commotion in the Jewish Church.

    It was considered only in the light of a new sect, -the Nazarenes.

    Recent explorations confirm his statements in matters of history. Except in minute figures, in which exaggerations seem to be at times the design.

    That is why many evolutionist theories put the origin of man in Africa. It is believed that Shem’s decedents became the lighter or Caucasian races. While Japath’s decedents were Oriental and/or North American Indian. And Ham’s was the early race in bringing about civilization. The Bible is considered the only authentic source from which instruction can be derived, in relationship to the knowledge of God; his various dispensations to mankind, and the duties required of men by their creator.
  • madmahd said on Nov 14, 2007....
    All of your info is based on myths and allegories.  Do you have any historical proof?  The other woman was Lillith, I just wanted to know why she is in the book.  And you never mentioned about the other saviours.
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....

    It doesn’t matter how much you study the book. It is still based on hearsay and therefore not a reliable source of proof of existence. No one in the world can prove god exists and the probability that he doesn’t vastly out weighs the likelihood that he does.

    When your father teaches you that something is real and true and keeps on telling you that then you will end up believing it totally. If your father had taught you that murdering and raping were good then its likely you would have done both thinking they were acceptable. (Much the same as many murderers and rapist throughout history gained influence to commit crime from their parents) I’m sorry to say this but your father was wrong. He should have let you know all available options and then let you decide for yourself. That is what I will be teaching my son.

    Religion is a mind control device passed through generations and pookie you are a good example of that brainwashing in action.

    Evolution is the only logical, factual and proven theory of our existence. Oh and neither of you have answered or explained why so many other idols and goes thru history have a story that both predates and matches that of Jesus.

    I do however stand corrected on the "Jesus the Christ statement".

    SG

  • madmahd said on Nov 14, 2007....
    Bravo SG, can't knowbody come on this site and keep making posts of quotes from the bible to explain the bibles validity and accuracy.  Pookie is an example of brainwashing and mind-control.  Tell me, because you know that we come from somewhere, what do you think about the "duality" theory?  It takes two in order for all life to exist even plants start as a seed then you water it and give it sunlight in order for it to grow into a plant.  That's something we can see for ourselves.  I forgot to ask pookie about the fact that people are know saying that the story of Jesus is based on the course of the sun and the 12 constellations through the sky.  
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....
    Dont really have a stance on duality. Its interesting but truth be told is something I havnt really looked into. I will and get back to you on it.
     
    SG
  • crybabylu said on Nov 14, 2007....

    Well, I guess I'm as guilty as anyone else when it comes to "brainwashing" and "mind controlling" Pookie, because some of that studying he did with me (most of it on his own)  By the way, Pookie doesn't get much of a chance to interact on here, because he is temporarily staying with his mom (she is quite ill), and she doesn't have a computer, so he comes over here and uses mine.

    Last night, while I was watching Larry King, he excitedly interrupts me saying, "Auntie, I found this "neat" (I taught him that word too) post, on beliefs, and don't you think it would be 'cool' for me to tell them   what I think?"  My answer was,    "Oh sure, if you want to be told that you are just "brainwashed" and you might even have someone warning you not to "drink the koolaid" too.  I have had that one thrown at me a number of times.  But Duke,   (that is what we call him) not phased a bit by anything I said, sets out typing sounded like a hundred miles an hour on the computer.  I went back to watching Larry King, my favorite prime-time show, and never gave it another thought, until  I opened up my computer and  read his comments. and your comments now.

    All I got to say, is madmahd & stupidGenius, you sure didn't disappoint me, you said what I expected, but I might add showed some restraint in your remarks. AH!..But the thing that makes me proud, is my dear nephew, Duke.  He didn't disappoint me either....not because he is saying things that has been drilled into his head....but because he is 'expressing' himself and what he thinks about the information he has personally sought out for himself.

    He may say it was drilled into him over and over and over again, that is part of his expressing himself in how it might've felt to him growing up as a preacher's son, but he has walked both sides, and lived each side of the coin. He doesn't go to church much, he plays his wild music, says choice words that sometimes raises an eyebrow, and I wouldn't have him any other way.  But, I can't quite explain the joy I felt as I came to this site, and I read what he had written, not because I agree with him, because no two people think exactly alike, Christians or not, but because of the sheer excitement coming from him as he typed those words out on the computer, and posted them to this site.

  • lfbno7 said on Nov 14, 2007....
    This post sure took on a life of its own. Glad to be the catalyst. As long as everyone is having fun.
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....
    May I ask how old he is?
     
    Im glad you are proud. Im also glad he has a passion. This is important and should be encouraged, through passion he will grow and form opinions on many many subjects. It is important that he is allowed to grow, not physicaly but mentaly.
     
    SG
  • crybabylu said on Nov 14, 2007....

     

     

     

  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....
    Thanks. I appreciate it when someone who dosnt agree with me on the whole at least understands my point of view and is willing to state that they do.
     
    I will subscribe to your posts so as to learn more of your point of view on life.
     
    SG
  • crybabylu said on Nov 14, 2007....

    Well, I can't understand what happened to my post, I was adding info to it, then off it went.  Guess I pushed the wrong button, huh, so here is what I recall having said:

    Duke is 37, single, and has a residence in Ohio, but when his mother became ill, he stopped everything, and ran down here to take care of her. His career is in research marketing, and makes a decent living at it, the great thing is he doesn't have to do it at any particular location, providing  him with the flexibility to be here at this time.  He had been using a laptop in his work,  but it crashed, and now, he is doing most of his work by phone. (I don't quite understand that one),. He is free to use my computer as needed, but hasn't as of yet used it for his work. 

     Yes, Duke has passion, about everything he does and most of what he says.  He doesn't go overboard with it though, thankfully, too much passion can sometimes be annoying, don't you think?

    By the way, I just caught a comment you left on a site that said something about "Why do you celebrate Christmas?"   We don't make a big deal of it either, but not for the same reasons you mentioned, but because hardly anything I see today, has anything to do with a baby in a manger , in a stable born a long time ago.  Well, nice chatting with you.  For the most part, I find your various posts interesting, as well as informative.  Good day to you.                                                                                                                                                                                        

  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....
    How strange is that!!! My reply was based on prety much what you just said. I saw your comment and replied and now its gone!!!
     
    Hmmmmm
     
    SG
  • crybabylu said on Nov 14, 2007....
    yeah, I remember it disappearing right before my eyes....so, I hurried up and typed it back again hoping I could remember what I originally said.  Funny, huh?
  • StupidGenius said on Nov 14, 2007....
    lol
  • TinSoldier said on Dec 08, 2007....
    I disagree on numbers one and four. Number five is kinda weird -- I don't believe in random physics or evolution and yet I don't believe that some of the cool weirdness can be adequately explained away by some great mind that is too much like our own. I mostly agree with number six. Disagree with seven, and eight is just weird.

    Number nine is also off base, in my opinion. Not that I think that any country is perfect, but that we are making progress towards perfection as best we can but the goal is asymptotic.

    Eleven was okay, but kinda petered out on the substance bit.

    Twelve was okay. Probably pretty close to the truth.

    StupidGenius: False dichotomy. The existence of God does not depend on the existence or non-existence of evolution. While the existence of God cannot be proven, neither can the exact position of an electron in orbit around an atom be proven. It's all about the probabilities, man. And I think that some form of Supreme Being holds all the cards.

  • crybabylu said on Dec 08, 2007....

    Speaking of atom--

    I asked my husband a question the other day about something I have always heard but haven't been able to find.  (One time, I actually thought I had found it but, now can't even remember where that is)

    I have always thought of myself as somewhat a bible scholar, but this has us both stumped because we can't remember the scripture reference, so anyone who reads this who knows the scripture,  can you anwer?

    Where in the bible does it talk about Jesus holding the atom together?

     

  • lfbno7 said on Dec 09, 2007....
    If it says that, what did they mean by atom? Was it a Greek word they used? Some Greek word translated into English as atom? I think you'd have to go back to the original language to interpret that one.
  • crybabylu said on Dec 10, 2007....
    You are right.  Of course, It is just I used to know that scripture, and it has slipped my mind.  A sign of aging I think.  Isn't the very nature of an atom, to not hold together?  I think someone told me that.  That it is one of the mysteries, how the atom holds together.
  • lfbno7 said on Dec 10, 2007....
    Well, my child, the nucleus of the atom should theoretically come apart because it is composed of positively charged protons that should repel each other, but there is a force stronger than electromagnetism at such close distances, and that is the "strong force", named specifically because it is strong enough to overcome electromagnetism and keep the nucleus of atoms together. At least that is the current explanation.

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