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This is the dream of my closure from which I woke up in tears, but after which i fell asleep feeling almost at peace.

In the dream my daughter and i are in a small boat.

There is barely room for the two uf us. Cant say if we are rowing. The water is perfectly still and dark. But in front of the boat there is a carp.........its a big carp, white and yellow, i think his belly is red-orange.......its one of those fishes very common in a Japanese pond...

The amazing thing is that the carp is out of the water and obvioulsy leading the boat.

The carp guides us to the other side of the pond. Its night. On the other side of it my ex husband is sitting, alone, like in a niche.....he is not doing anything. I assume he was watching us or waiting for us. His features are fuzzy.

I was fine when i was on the boat but as soon as i get out of it  i found myself distraught and upset...

I am counting several sacks of rice.....they are stacked one on top of another one in 3 neat rows but i am missing one bag. I know this bag is the most important bag of them all....without it i know i will be in trouble. That's why i am so upset and i am crying.

And then my ex arrives close to me and, without a word or a smile, gives me this small black bag of rice. 

At the same moment i realize he will leave forever.

I am happy to have the bag but sad for him leaving. But most of all i know this its the way its supposed to be. 

I wake up sobbing, just sobbing....yet i feel calm....such a weird sensation....

I am able to rethink about the dream, giving it a meaning and finding a sort of solace. And then i go back to sleep.

I consider this dream a closure dream.

Many things are changing lately in my and my daughter life. This little family that we are is the core of my life.

She quit Girl Scout, she went trick-and treat alone without me for the very first time. She will be at home alone after school since i will start working. She is choosing new friends and leaving behind the ones i used to see her with.

And for me....its one year i am struggling with depression, since my sister passed away and i am hoping this new job will also help me to change some patterns in my life that i found now necessary to change....i hope it will give me back focus and appreciation.

Dreams talk to us. 

The symbolism of some of them is evident. 

Some are also just pretty.

Like that white beautiful carp leading my small boat. 

I know exactly what it means........



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  • Mr_Box said on Nov 03, 2007....
    Interesting dream, Gingery. Rice is a good sign because it stands for prosperity and friendship.
     
    I won't bore you with any of my other ideas because you already know what the dream means to you.
     
    I think that the fish you're describing is a Koi fish, not a carp. But then again, what the hell do I know? Maybe Japanese ponds have carp too?
     
    Either way, a fish is a good symbol too. As long as it's not dead.
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Boxeuse......no, no.......you are perfectly right....its a Koi...i knew the name but in Italian we also call these fishes carp......so i guessed my deep layer imprinted the name in my mother language...

    I would like to know your ideas about it....the fact that i know the meaning is susceptible to let in other details i might not be completely aware of ....so the picture gain more depth....thank you......

    Yes, rice and fish are positive symbols....and that fish was very alive, believe me...lol...

  • Mr_Box said on Nov 03, 2007....

    I don't really know a lot about you, so keep in mind that my ideas about the dream are purely my gut instinct.

    It is a good dream. All of the symbols are positive ones.

    You are in a boat and a fish is in charge of propelling it along. A fish is symbol of spirituality. You're letting your spirit guide you through the dark waters.

    Your ex husband in shadow because he's not a part of your life anymore. You're sad about that sometimes. And being worried about missing the rice you need means you fear that you can't make it on your own without him.

    But you can. He gives you what you need, but he doesn't stick around. The rice is a peace offering. He's telling you to forgive him and go on with your life.

     

  • Zayda said on Nov 03, 2007....
    Koi is simply the Japanese name for a carp. A Koi is a carp, in other words. And in Japanese the koi is the symbol of love and friendship as well as prosperity. Koi grow in the wild in rice fields in Japan, but in the early 19th centuries when they began to grow in popularity, they were captured from rice fields to cultivate koi farms.


    So, it seems that for your dream the carp/koi and rice possibly symbolize the same thing.
  • quietone said on Nov 03, 2007....
    ginger ~ I think mr. box there has a wonderful way of explaining your dream...
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Mr.B ......yes......i've read it in the same way....but , since i have been hurt by him, my rational reading didn't allow me to give to him THAT relevance in the dream.....thats why he was almost marginal in the dream....i wanted to keep him in that way......too much vicinity hurts, the distance makes him fuzzy but also indistiguishable and so less harmful ......

    Still.....i am resisting to the idea that he is the one giving me permission to get over us. In my first interpretation his offer was only a symbol of MY active decision to close that chapter....he was giving me the rice only because it was the last piece of the puzzle....but in reality he wasnt actually him doing so....mostly he was the symbol of  the situation generated from him leaving me....you added a deeper, possible meaning....thank you...

  • pookiedookie said on Nov 03, 2007....
    A positive.
  • pookiedookie said on Nov 03, 2007....
    Oh yeah, gingersoul, check your other post on goodby soulcast, I left you something......."Pookie"
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Zayda........thank you..... .i saw some huge Koi-carp here at the Dallas Arboretum....they have a beautiful Japanese Garden and in its ponds there were amazingly huge carps.....mostly white and yellow...our Italian carp tends to be more greysh-brownish colored though.....but the shape is the same....

    Quiet....yes, indeed he has....thanks for reading......:-)

    Pookie.......really? ok, i am going there in a little bit.....time to fix some dinner here in RL....lol......

    Psst: thank you in advance....:-)

  • evil_twin said on Nov 03, 2007....
    Well, I think Mr. Box had a lot of good things say. That's basically what I would have said too. He beat me to it! But I will add that to wake up crying from a dream represents some sort of  trauma or hurt that you're not dealing with in your waking life. It's a warning not to suppress your emotions.

    I'm glad that you got something out of this dream. I believe the same thing you do. That our dreams talk to us. And in the end, whatever interpretation you get from it on your own, is probably the right one. Because only you really know what it's trying to tell you. The rest of us can only guess.

    -evil_twin LA
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 03, 2007....
    you know, i very, very rarely ever have dreams to which i understand the meaning. i'm glad that you understand this one, GS. :>

    ed
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Kyle.....i was indeed considering the crying.....it wasn't a sniff and a tear rolling down...it was a serious flood....i probably touched deep issues in this dream....since the divorce i rarely dreamed about my ex until last week...last week i made 3 dreams in a row about him but nothing so emotional this one....

    and you are right.... i surely dont deal with these emotions too deeply in my waking life because i can't afford to dwell too much in those thoughts ....as long as i write about it i know that there are stil many things i have been simply pushing back down .....

     Ed......i am the opposite....when i dream and i remember the dream i am pretty much able to find a logic, a connection, a detail that makes sense to me.....i remember that during the first 6 months after the divorce it was like i was a robot...i would put my head on the pillow and i would fall asleep in matter of seconds...never suffered of sleeping disorders due to the event...i would fall in a black hole..... i blocked completely my imaginary and deep level life....even worst, maybe......

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 03, 2007....
    well, as this blog entry attests, you don't really block your deep level life completely, GS. and that's really for the best, if you ask me. :>

    ed
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Yes......i truly believe i am starting to "digest"  those deep issues..

    Isn't amazing how long it takes us to make peace with some traumas? our mind is such a powerful thing....and we know only a fraction of it......

    Do you have any of these long term subterranean issues? 

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 03, 2007....
    it truly is amazing, GS.

    me? not really, but then again, i've largely had a pretty event-less life, i'll confess.

    ed
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    You know...i was going to write "Lucky you" but then i had to remind myself that any eventful moments of my life have been indeed rich, emotionally charged and, as i wrote in Mr. Box's post,...i wouldn't change any of them.......not even the worst one...they made me who i am now....

    Your event-less life made you who you are now...so it must have been a good one.....:-)

  • Twylarants said on Nov 03, 2007....
    It sounds as though your baby girl is growing up, Ginger, and that's a sad time for any mom.  Remember when she stopped calling you Mommy?  I do.  They celebrate the transition into young adulthood and we mourn the passing of childhood.  Lots of changes in your life right now.  Maybe the boat is taking you to a new place, and the fish...he's beautiful, no?...yellow, white, orange and red...the colors of sunrise...a new beginning, perhaps?
  • gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2007....

    Twyla......yes, she is growing......i can see all these little changes in her...she is not even aware of it.......but i see them...sometimes i stare at her and she asks me "Why are you looking me like that, mom?" and i tell her that it seems yesterday that she was just a tiny something shorter than my hip and now she is as tall as me...

    Its a sad process.....its natural, inevitable but it doesn't mean we have to like it, right?

    I truly hope the boat is taking me toward new attitude, a new direction.....this life is getting too tight for me........my wings are hitching.....:-)

  • crybabylu said on Nov 03, 2007....
    Twyla
  • skald said on Nov 04, 2007....
    This is a starnge and beautiful dream. I am glad that you know what it means and again good luck to you and to your daughter too. 
  • lfbno7 said on Nov 04, 2007....
    It felt to me like when you were missing the most important bag of rice, this was connected to you missing your marriage, and when your ex gave you that bag of rice, it showed that he is the reason this important ingredient in your life is missing, he's the key to it, and by giving you back the bag of rice, that is closure between you and him, and you are crying because you are on your own and your marriage is blown to hell and even the closure has taken place, by him giving you back the bag of rice that was supposed to be him and you. And even your job has something to do with it, cause your ex is not the breadwinner in your life now, you are (I don't know if he ever was, but these are my impressions, colored by my own life experiences). So the fact that your husband is giving you this "sayonara and fuck off" bag of rice, symbolizing closure of your marriage, and you are working to fully support yourself and utterly replace his position in your life, it all fits together. And it makes you cry, not because you are afraid or that you miss him or anything, but just because it is an emotional release of all the stuff that has happened, and the recognition that your marriage and your former life are now officially history. There were good things in that life too. You cry for them too. I have no idea if any of my comments have any relevance to you. It is just how I reacted to your dream. Now that you have the bag back you can build a new relationship if you want.
  • gingersoul said on Nov 04, 2007....

    LF..........beautiful reading......thank you.....i noticed that in my interpretation i was focusing more on the carp element ...this is what really hit me.....because i knew immediately what this carp was symbolizing.....

    What you said about the rice is fitting.....even if in our marriage i have worked most of the years he has been the one earning more than me..... so i can see him as a breadwinner....and i think the fact we are not more a team in adding together the bag of rice to the other reflects hsi gesture and my tears....

    Yes, i am still missing that important part of my life, being in a relationhsip, and i know this is what i am now, on my own on....

    I like your "Sayonara and fuck off"  ......:-)

    Its just like i felt with the divorce, basically ...the release from all these emotions is a process.......hope my beautiful carp will lead again in the right direction......

    Skald....thank you again, my Iceland lady...:-)

  • secretlife said on Nov 04, 2007....
    my kids are putting me through something very similar lately.  it puts me off balance when they go thru these 'changes'.......and then when more than one goes thru it at the same time i'm discombobulated altogether!
     
    they get older and need us less.....at least less in the overt ways.  but in the quiet moments, and in the alonetimes, they still need us.  so don't forget that.  even if she doesn't approach you the same way, you have to find a way to keep those doors open...
     
    i'm not a believer in dreams or an interpreter of them-
     
    but i do believe in you and in your strength and your passion.
     
    so......i think you're going to do wonderful at this new job.  that it's going to be a good thing for you---and for your daughter too.  that both of you will grow in new  ways, learn new things, and become more than you are today..
     
    know that i'm thinking of you as you start this new chapter.
    it'll be ok.
    i promise.
  • gingersoul said on Nov 04, 2007....

    Secret......as usual, your words comfort me....thank you....i do hope the same....i will try my best for sure.....{{hugs}}

    Oh yes..i can't even imagine having 3 replicas of my daughter going thru their own phases and messing up everything in the matter of months......now you are giving me nightmare, thank you very much....tonite i am going to wake up screaming "No, Secret, no......these are your kids. I want my carp back"......lol.....

       

  • wombat said on Nov 04, 2007....
    I am kind of late to be interpreting the dream, but it was a doozy.  I do hope you enjoy all the new good things to come and make peace with all the sad.
  • moonriver said on Nov 08, 2007....
    dear ginger--

    i write this as a letter, because i want it to be as personal as possible.

    your dream does have a deeply personal meaning, and i can't even dare to speculate on all the symbolisms. but having read most of your past blogs from the start, i think it's fairly clear that the rice bags are somehow connected to your past relationships, most of which you were able to finally end on a positive note and gain from them as a person richer in experience and insights. when you received the last missing bag of rice from your ex, it was indeed your mind telling you that you have finally achieved closure with your 18-yr marriage that ended in perhaps the most painful episode of your life.

    sobbing, not being able to stop crying, and yet feeling calm... i know that weird sensation, my dear friend. it is your conscious mind and emotions finally integrating what your dream-state mind had understood earlier.

    the koi/carp is an intrusion of your conscious mind, possibly more intellectual rather than an emotional symbol, into a highly-emotional subconscious. i think i know now what it means in this particular dream.

    sorry for this belated letter. i too had a couple of carp-and-rice issues to handle these past two weeks.

    your friend who will always be here
    --moon

  • moonriver said on Nov 08, 2007....
    oh, and although the koi/carp has a deep meaning that i can't presume to grasp in its fullness, this other symbol of a bridge over troubled water i can personally identify with.



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