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I'm not really surprised by the study these folks did on the perception of male vs female tears. 
 
It still frustrates me that society as a whole still sees women as weak when they cry.  I have known some exceptional women in my life, all of whom have cried at one point or another.  It would never have occurred to me to think less of them for crying.  I have also known people who razzed a man unmercifully for crying.  I always found that cruel.
 
I cry.  I prefer to call it leaking eyes because of this silly bias.  Seems less emotional if you say leaking eyes.  I find the ability to be touched so deeply that you cry - man or woman - only means you are aware of how sad or happy a moment truly is. 
 
BTW, at my wedding, my ex cried.  I, of course, didn't, but had a handkerchief up my sleeve to wipe his eyes with.  It was a beautiful moment for me.
 
Anger, the sibling of crying, is also treated the same.  How on earth is is okay for men to be angry and be seen as "manly" or "tough" but when in the same circumstance a woman is angry she is a "loose canon" or "irrational".  Again, I don't get it.  When will people simply see strong emotion and the ability to express it as a strength?!
 
I admit, I'm better at anger than crying.  It's the emotion I have to keep a tight reign on for my own good.  I'd rather not become angry, but some times it's wholly appropriate.
 
So, do cry babies and hot heads offend you? or do you see some sort of middle ground?


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  • silverwhisper said on Oct 24, 2007....
    honestly, i think all of the interpretation of crying is tainted by jadedness and personally, i think jadedness is for the weak, for those too afraid of what they're feeling to admit the truth.

    i don't cry often, but i do when moved to do so by sympathy or happiness.

    ed
  • Twylarants said on Oct 24, 2007....
    I like the leaky eyes thing, I think I'll borrow that if you don't mind.
    Wakingharmony's "Angel in the Post Office" made my eyes leak this morning, and those Church of the Latter Day Saints tv spots cause leakage every time.
    But, like you, anger is my specialty and I never cry when I'm mad.  My pressure goes up, and I get frustrated when the person I'm arguing with is too dense to see my point, but I can't squeeze out a tear.
    I hope lots of Casters answer you re: Manly Man and Irrational Woman labels.
    I've always wondered about that myself.  People who cry certainly don't offend me, some are more sensitive than others.  Just don't whine, that's all I ask.  Crying is a natural reaction to something that makes you sad, but whining is, well, whining.
    Do men whine?  Hmmm...I never thought of that.

  • crybabylu said on Oct 24, 2007....
    It really ticks me off, when we are perceived that way when we cry, so I usually don't afford myself that luxury.  I can't even get angry, else I really loose their attention.  I take a deep breath and make sure I am calmed and say what it is I need to say, staying focused on the subject.  If I am able to pull it off, a big sigh of relieve, if not then I cry.......
  • polarheart said on Oct 24, 2007....
    Hi U-I!  This is a very interesting post.  My mom use to say "crying cleanses the soul" and I tend to second that.  When I cry out of sadness or happiness or even anger. . .I usually feel better.  For me crying also releaves stress.  What gets to me sometimes is that when I'm so angry that I cry. . .its not out of sadness, or that I want people to feel sorry for me, its purely out of frustration.  When that happens (and I cant control it) I get so MAD because I feel the crying distracts the person I am angry with from the fact that I am actually angry.  This is a bit of a irritation for me. . .its the only time I wish I could control my tears, but they just come rushing out and there's nothing I can do about it! LOL
  • evil_twin said on Oct 24, 2007....
    I don't mind if people cry. Men or women. But if someone cries all the time over nothing, it can be a little much. But frankly, I think men who cry get a lot more crap over it than women do. Talk about being called weak. If a man cries, he's seen as girly. I've never thought of a woman (or anyone for that matter) being weak because they cry. It's a sign of your emotions and having those doesn't make you weak. It makes you human.

    -evil_twin LA


  • beyondtheveil said on Oct 25, 2007....
    unique- This brings up something that is similar to what bothers my wife. If a man comes in as the boss and rearranges, pushes people, and makes workers do their job, he's a leader. If a woman does it, she's a bitch.

    I've seen many men cry. Usually it has been at flag raisings, talking about war, in grief or sadness, depression. I believe they cry more than people think. Cry babies are usually what twilarants said, which are whiners. Hotheads are show-offs or have little control. I've never looked at either as manly, or womanly for that matter.
  • gingersoul said on Oct 25, 2007....

    Unique...i don't like whiners..they irritate me....and i dont like hotheads...they make me wanting to beat them up.. .

    I consider myself a good balance..i cry lot in private so i dont bother anybody else but myslef......and my anger is not an exploding-screaming at you anger..its a cold, simmering anger. Sometims you migt not even notice i am mad at you but when time will come you will have your pay back....

    Men do cry...i witness some of them .....the only difference is that men choose higly accepted occasions to weep......as Bey said...cerimonials, military occasions, deaths.....we women need just about anythign to cry: a sappy commercial, a love letter, a movie......

    Does this mean the quality of the emotions is different? No. Its the vehicle we choose to let got the tears that its different....

    Do men whine?...oh yeah...my last boyfriend was an annoying whiner sometimes......

    Btw...i cry too when i am unbearabale angry.....but its just for the frustration of not finding the rigth words to express my anger....it didn't thappen often though....

    About the way we are percieved from others......oh yes...as soon as a woman is in a leader position she is just a bitch....remember...we women are supposed to nurture, provide, help....we cant demand, put deadline and ask specific actions...men resent that....and other women share this judgment too...they allow men to think its ok to consider a woman leader just a bitch...

    Many times i heard other women say "Oh, again, she must be in PMS"....so how can we blame only the men? Sistehood is not as obvious as it should be...

    Anyway....if you are a jerk leader it doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.....you are an asshole....

     

  • x0_gemini_0x said on Oct 25, 2007....
    You made some good points.  But I think society as a whole will never truly move away from those assumptions that men crying are weak and women crying are expected. 
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 25, 2007....

    SW - I agree that those who hold these attitudes towards crying are actually weak.

    Twyla - You're welcome to use leaky eyes.  Yes, men whine, but they prefer to call it "reasoning" or some such BS.  I don't mind crying, but I do have to admit I prefer those who cry at less than heavy sobs.  Those make me a little uncomfortable.  I don't usually cry when angry, but once I did when I was under what I consider to be the worst situation of my life.

    crybabylu - I wish I had your self discipline.  At best I can blink furiously until the tears are under control.

    polar - tears of frustration only seem to compound the problem.  I get that way too.  The tears are from frustration, you become more frustrated by the tears, it's like an endless cycle.

    ET - I agree it's unfair for men to catch shit for crying.  I think men are more accepting of women crying than women sometimes.  I know that I've caught more grief from women for getting all teary eyed on occaision.  Curious.

    BTV - I'm familiar with the man is aggressive but a woman is bitchy syndrome.  It's frustrating to me to have to combat this both at work and home.  (yes I get to hear this at home where they call aggressive reminders nagging) 

    ginger - You're right about women being back stabbers when it come to reinforcing the idea in men's and women's minds that crying, or being aggressive, is not feminine.  I can't tell you how many times I've "gone off" on someone who used the PMS line to explain away behavior that they didn't like.

  • mobil said on Oct 25, 2007....

    I am the biggest fucking cry baby Uni, I am serious. I could never watch Little House on the Prarie. That Michel Landon really knew how to jerk a tear out of you.

    Chick flicks, I love them and yeah, my wife is dry as a sand storm. At the movie house I play all sorts of games to make it look like I  have an itchy eye, but my wife knows what I am doing.

    I used to think as you described above, men don't cry, women are weak. I was a boy a young man when I thought those things. Look how long women live compared to men. Women are tougher overall, stronger in a different sense. Girl babies stronger than boy babies too.

    The measure of a person isn't taken by tears and anger. I measure another human being by the goodness of their heart.....interesting post Uni

  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 25, 2007....
    mobil - I like the yardstick you measure with much more than the one most folk measure with.  It's my own opinion that women were emotionally tougher than men.  We cry and carry on more than men, but we also bounce back quicker.  Maybe there is some magical "salve" in tears.
  • Twylarants said on Oct 25, 2007....
    I'd love to watch Ginger beat up a hothead, that would make my day!!
    I can only verbally smack people now, so I'm sending all the hotheads I can't deal with to beatingsbyginger.com.   LOL!
    But crying in sad situations and crying from frustration and anger are two different things, no?  Michael Landon made me cry every week, too, and when our old cat died the whole family cried because we were sad.
    Maybe women cry when they're angry because the person they are angry with has the power in the situation, and the frustration stems from knowing they can't win the argument.  We don't usually cry if we're arguing with our kids because Mom is the boss, Mom has the power..  But if you're arguing with your boss, you're more than likely gonna come out the loser even if you're right, because he's the boss.  So it's a loss of power that frustrates us and makes our eyes leak.
    A women who argues like a man is a bitch, and a man who argues like a woman is girly.  Well, that's just sick. 
     
  • kruuyai said on Oct 25, 2007....
    So many good points to comment on.. great post, uniquely! 

    beyond:  Good point your wife has about how women are seen in business.  There's really nothing she can do right.  If she is strong and acts in the same way that the male leaders around her act, she is called a bitch.  If she expresses her feminine side, she is seen as weak.  It's just not fair.  Men, whether in business or otherwise are seen as weak  or unmanly if they cry.  I like a man who can cry and express all his emotions, but men that cry all the time (and women) are a turnoff.  I see it as controlling behavior.

    polar:  I too cry when I am really angry, and it bothers me, because it prevents me from being able to express what I really want to express.  Then I just get angry at my own tears. 

    mobil:  I cry at movies too.  And I like to cry at movies.  But it really ticks me off when my EC makes fun of me while I'm crying.  It really ruins the moment for me.  I think he does it because he's uncomfortable with his own feelings.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 25, 2007....
    gemini - sorry, you must have slipped a comment in while I was responding.  I am hopeful that as society matures that we cast off the roles we place on both men and women, but realistically know it probably won't be in my lifetime.
     
    twyla - I think you hit it dead on when you said that women cry from frustration when they're angry and know that they cannot win because of things beyond their control.  I know that I do, often.
     
    kruuyai - What's an EC?  I hate it when someone pokes fun at me when I'm crying.  Inevitably it makes me more angry and frustrated with my inability to stop the leaks on command. (yeah, I know, crying really isn't an "on command" thing)
  • kruuyai said on Oct 25, 2007....
    uniquely:  EC = Emergency Contact
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 25, 2007....
    kruuyai - Oh!  You go to movie's with your EC?
  • kruuyai said on Oct 25, 2007....
    Well, I don't even live in the same country with him anymore, but when I visit, we watch DVD's, and he gets all chuckly at the sad endings and makes fun of me, and I just want to punch him.  
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 25, 2007....
    kruuyai - my sister is my emergency contact and I'd definately deck her if she poked fun at me for crying.  Of course, being my sister and all, she probably would be there crying with me.
  • Fallyn said on Nov 02, 2007....
    i have done more than my fair share of crying.....and i've mixed feelings on the subject.

    1. if i'd done a lot less crying and a lot more seriously looking at my situation i might not be in it right now....

    2. if i'd held it in i may not have come through it and on the road to healing as quickly.....

    it's really hard to say. ......there have been periods in my life where i cried every single day.....not just a little bit......but really really sobbing.
    i don't really know of many people with the personality to get stuck in a relationship like i did who wouldn't have been sobbing in hopelessness in the same situation....so i don't know.


  • uniquely-ironic said on Nov 02, 2007....
    Fallyn - It really is hard to say.  I "see" you as a strong person, but even strong people need a good cry now and then.
  • Fallyn said on Nov 02, 2007....
    i'm a strong person now.....but i really don't think i was before.

    it's a very good question though that people should look at.

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