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In the past few days the subject of manners has come up several times.  Just this morning I came across TinSoldier's blog about using the term Sir or Ma'am.  I also had a talk with my daughter this weekend about manners regarding thank you notes.  She received money from several family and friends for her birthday.
 
I made a point of bringing home the thank you cards I keep at my desk so that she could write thank you notes for her birthday gifts.  I was a little surprised that she gave me some resistance on the matter.  She even suggested that an email would be just as appropriate.  In the end I insisted that at least some notes be written, to those people who she was not as familiar with.
 
I cling to a certain number of what I consider good manners, while others seem to fade away.  I do greet my coworkers with "Good Morning" in the morning (despite the lack of "good" some days), say thank you when someone opens a door or pays me a compliment, address elders and those in authority with sir and ma'am (deserving of not) and write hand written thank you notes when I receive a gift. 
 
I'm less concerned with keeping my elbows off the table or cleaning my plate, I'm fine with opening my own doors if I happen to get there first and I don't believe children should be seen and not heard.
 
My basic belief is that manners are an indication of how well you were brought up.  Because I believe this I also try to pass along the manners I see as being helpful and neccesary for my children to succeed.
 
What manners to you still practice?


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  • the_infernal_optimist said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I pretty much believe in all of the verbal courtesies and practice them at home and elsewhere. My two-year-old daughter already knows to say "No, thank you" instead of just screaming "NO!" at me if she doesn't want what I'm offering. She also says please, thank you, I'm sorry, you're welcome (sometimes), and we're working on excuse me. These manners are simply non-negotiable in our household.

    We haven't, however, done "ma'am" and "sir" at this point. I say them, but not to DH and not to her, so I don't think she really understands or has picked up on them yet. DH feels strongly that they shouldn't be required, and to some degree I see his point - but it goes against my upbringing to leave them off when I'm dealing with other adults (friends excepted) my age and older, and anyone at all in customer service.

    I would like for my children to respect the elderly in particular (as I do) and always offer to help if they see a need, but I'm not sure that's not more individual than upbringing - I'll show them anyway. I would feel guilty if I didn't offer to hold the door for an older person or anyone with a disability/full arms, but not everyone feels as I do.

    As far as table manners go...as long as my kids eat with utensils and are reasonably polite about it (no belching competitions in public!), I don't care if there's a stray elbow on the table or whether their napkins sit in their laps.

    ~Infernal
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    TIO - I think showing respect for elders by being helpful is pretty common.  I know that I will offer a seat on a bus to anyone I can identify as elderly. (or pregnant or handicapped)  I do get a little confused about opening a door for handicapped.  I have been chewed out by a guy in a wheelchair for opening a door for him, since he told me he's handicapped, not helpless. (sheesh!)  Now I tend to ask if they need help with the door, etc.
  • beyondtheveil said on Oct 17, 2007....
    unique- I think manners are of the utmost importance. Imagine a world without any. They grease the wheels of society. Parents go very much out of the way to teach them to their children. Any who don't are doing a grave deed to their own.

    Manners show respect and all too many times that you care. Manners teach humility and there is more respected than a humble person.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    BTV - I agree that it's the manners that make it possible for strangers to get along with each other.  I also agree that manners are the parent's responsibility.  I have seen too many people do deplorable things to believe that all parent's took that responsibility seriously.
  • quietone said on Oct 17, 2007....
    manners and being just polite to one another matter a lot.  And, unfortunately, kids live what they see.  :(   It is a matter of respect to others around you....and yourself as far as that goes.
  • secretlife said on Oct 17, 2007....

    i think manners are very important.

    i taught my kids to use please and thank you and excuse me no thank you, to use Mr and Mrs when addressing adults, and many more.

    I had a big party here for my oldest daughter's 16th birthday.

    It was a real eye opener for me.

    1/2 the kids didn't even say hello to me when they entered my home.

    One girl, who i'd never met walked under my raised arm without a word, and into my home and up my stairs....

    After the party was over, I told my daughter just what I thought of the kids who didn't offer the courtesty of a greeting - hello, goodbye, introduction of some kind.

    I pretty much said, "I hope you don't ever go to someone's house and act that way....."

    you have to actually TEACH manners, or kids just don't have them.  I consider it a kind of social retardation to be without them.

  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    quietone - So I assume you're a big fan of "lead by example" in the teaching of manners.
     
    SL - Social retardation is a little strong, but I'd go along with social ignorance.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I'm noticing that at least so far most of the comments are from ladies.  Do you suppose that there is a gap in how important manners are between men and women?  I'm not inferring anything, and it just may be that the guys haven't reported in yet.  I am curious about whether or not there's anything to that.
  • simplyklo said on Oct 17, 2007....
    When someone waits on me, whether at a restaurant, or even a cashier in a store, and especially if they are short at all and not very polite themselves, I always say not only "thank you" but I also make a point of saying "have a nice day".  Sometimes they even say it back and sometimes I even get a smile!
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    simply - So you give them a quick lesson in manners.  Does this ever backfire for you? (just curious)
  • botoni said on Oct 17, 2007....
    Manners are the oil that keeps human exchange running smoothly. I firmly believe a good 'grease job' can prevent a lot of squeeling.
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    botoni - LOL true enough.  Some folk seem to be "rusted" shut.
  • mobil said on Oct 17, 2007....

    I was brought up well Uni, good parents lots of manners. I've kept them for the most part and passed them along to my children.

    Oh, if I fart, I always blame it on the dog. That's something I get confused on, is it blame it on the dog or blame a little kid. I can never remember the proper manners on that one.

  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    mobil - I thought you were supposed to blame the mouse in the corner.
  • evil_twin said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I think my manners are pretty good. I always say please and thank you. And I open doors for women. I always address people as Mr. or Mrs. if I'm meeting them for the first time. I think manners are important. My parents instilled that behavior in me from the start though. I don't even really think about it. I just do it.

    -evil_twin LA
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    ET - It's nice to see that your parent's did a good job of passing that on.  Do you ever see the value of those manners?
  • CreativeWoman said on Oct 17, 2007....
    Manners were always a big thing when I was growing up.  I learned that it was a matter of respect and kindness.  It just became second nature.

    CW
  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 17, 2007....
    CW - Me too, which makes me wonder why so many people seemed to have completely been deprived of learning them.
  • TinSoldier said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I'm not big on thank-you cards, but that may be because I'm a guy. I do think they are important and I usually encourage the kids to send ones out. I still don't think I heard about them when I was a kid though, and that was in the days before email.

    I do open doors for others and say "thank you" when a door is held open for me. I let people go first. I say "please" and "thank you" almost compulsively. I tell my co-workers "good morning" or hello or whatever is appropriate -- sometimes just a nod, but still an acknowledgement.

    I chew food with my mouth shut, but not talking with food in my mouth is still difficult after all of these years. Especially with kids -- is it not ironic to tell your kids to eat with their mouth closed or to not talk with food in their mouths while you are still chewing yourself?

    I say "excuse me" if I fart or burp, or if I need to get past someone. Or sometimes "pardon me".

    I do my best not to interrupt people talking unless it is very important -- I will wait and wait and wait until it is my turn.

    If I think of any others then I will add them. Great post!

    And see, some guys have manners too!
  • pickersplock said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I would like to add, two of the things I've been working on with my boys;
    1. When someone puts food in front of you, don't make terrible gagging noises, or say ewwwww!  Simply eat what you like and leave the rest without comment.
    2. When recieving a gift that you may not care for, it's best to say thank you and leave it at that.  There's no need for hysterics!
  • confuzzledwife said on Oct 17, 2007....

    I always say thank you if someone holds a door, I always hold doors for others behind me (but only get a thank you back about 1/2 the time).  I taught all my kids to be polite, have manners, say please and thank you from the time they could talk- I have received the most compliments on this with my children- that they are well-mannered. I am lucky.  It's hard though in this day and age when so many others aren't practicing basic manners- the majority of the time when you run into a rude child with no manners, it's pretty easy to see where they learned it from after meeting their parents. 

     Recently,  my 6 y/o son held the door for a man behind him, the man said nothing- and my son just smiled at him.. it really REALLY irks me when others can't utter a simple "thanks" especially to such a young child who is learning.  And I am with you on the thank you cards.. I have always taught my kids the importance of writing out a thank you- my daughter asked if she could email a thank you I said "no".. to me, it's not the same- of course it's better than nothing.. but still not right in my opinion.

    When I met my husband his son was 5 and was very rude, whereas my husband wasn't like that at all and had manners..  After some time I thought my stepson would learn from all of us here through example how to be polite- I was wrong.. and when I asked my husband why he was this way he said "my ex (the child's mother) felt it wasn't in the child's best interest to say thank you or please".. I didn't believe it, it sounded too far-fetched - later, I found one of his home videos from Christmas... where my husband was saying "say thank you to Grandpa, say thank you to auntie Kim".. and the video showed the child not saying thank you, and the mother saying "he doesn't have to say that, stop badgering him, leave him alone!".. he was old enough and capable of doing this..  manners are so important to me...  get me going and I'll never stop! lol

    Lucille Ball once said "I refuse to raise a mannerless brat".. I feel the exact same way she did-

  • sweet_cookie01 said on Oct 17, 2007....

    a lot... i think growing up in the Philippines compared to other countries stresses more about manners and poise.

    proper greetings is still practiced, "good morning, good afternoon and good evening".

    the use of "sir/ma'am" in addressing a person

    saying "please" and "thank you"

    table etiquettes are a must as what was taught by my parents... like do not talk with your mouth full, no elbows on the table, dont hold your fork up when talking, etc.

    i still say "opo" and "po" to my elders. (a filipino practice in adressing elders"

    i still offer my sit and open doors for the elders too...

     

  • wombat said on Oct 17, 2007....
    I don't know where I got it from, because my family has lousy manners, but it is one of the things I am probably most worried about--being polite and "correct" in public.  I do believe I got alot of it from my jobs--working with the public.  Part of it may stem from trying to please and to be accepted.  (an off-shoot of growing up the way I did)
     
    Now, if I could just teach my husband some manners....he embarrases me in public, and then just laughs.  He can't figure out why I care so much what other people think!
  • minniemouse said on Oct 18, 2007....

    Oooohhhh...this has been a hot button for me lately...I had even thought about posting it, but hadn't gotten around to it!  Thanks for posting!!!  One of my jobs is as a part time manager in a popular mall store and I see all the age ranges...you would think kids would shock you with their lack of manners before adults would, but its not true.  No matter the age, no matter the Income level or social status, there are some pretty damn rude people out there.  For instance, when I say hello to you, it would be nice to receive a hello in return....not a barage of questions not even acknowlegeing my presence.  Yes, I work in customer service, but I am NOT your servant. 

    My kids think I am nuts because I have recently become such a stickler with the manners, I'm even thinking about enrolling them in an etiquette course!!!  The majority of kids do not say please and thank you or have respect for anyone, not even themselves.  It makes me sick to my stomach....I don't expect kids to be all prim and proper, but I don't think expecting a please and thank you and actually answering a question with WORDS (not just a shake of the head!!) is too much to ask??  or maybe I just expect too much???  hmmmm...Thanks for the post uniquely!!!!  Minnie

  • Me-Myself&I said on Oct 18, 2007....

    i was raised to sit-up straight and say yes please, no thank you. i am glad i

    was raised like this too. i in return "trained" my son to do the same. I think

    the folks that have common courteous and manners....stand-out from all the others!     see ya

  • uniquely-ironic said on Oct 18, 2007....
    TS - I had to giggle when you said you chewed with your mouth shut.  I soooo consider that "just common sense" but you're right, it's manners.
     
    pickers - I remember going to potlucks as a kid and having my mom put some mighty nast stuff on my plate.  I learned the value of the comment "this is very interesting". 
     
    confuzzled - I'm floored by the fact that a breathing human woman would consider saying please and thank you unneccesary.  Absolutely appalled.
     
    sweet - One thing I find so appealing about most asian cultures is their respect for the elderly.  It's something that seems to be slipping out of the US culture.
     
     
  • silverwhisper said on Oct 21, 2007....
    honestly, i'm bad about the niceties like thank you cards, i'll admit it. but the face to face stuff, i try to be polite where i can, or failing that, silent. and as i mentioned in TS's post, i do use sir or ma'am.

    manners are to me the grease on the wheels of social interactions.

    ed

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