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DO you think Senetor Larry Craig is in Denial ? And what of the Republican Party

husbandhater posted on Sep 01, 2007 | views: 940 | Tags: reality, larry craig, politics, morals and character, homophobia, Sexuality denial, hot button topics
With all that has been going on in the Republican party in America do you think they "STILL" have the right to call themselves:" The moral center" or the party with Family Values? After Larry Craig,IRAQ,President Bush,Atty Gen.Alberto Gonzalez,Mark Foley,David Vitter,Robert Tobias and all the other host of Republican channagains, Do you think they have a snow ball's chance in Hell come November? Can they save their party or is it a sinking ship?
 
Do you think they even have the right to be so dismissive of Larry Craig as they all seem to be coming out with their own can of worms? And please answer my top headline question: Is he in denial about his sexuality?


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  • husbandhater said on Sep 01, 2007....
    Just a history lesson on some of the names: Mark Foley- The six term Florida Senator resigned in Sept '06 due to his unethical behavior involving Congresional pages.
     
    David Vitter- A freshman Senator from Louisanna whose name appeared in the "little black book" of a Known Washington Madame.
     
    Robert Tobias-His name was also linked in the same scandel as David Vitters and he was the director of foreign aid programs for the State department.
     
    Atty General Gonzalez fires all that oppose him and the Bush regimes' scheme to discredit the Democrats.
  • ALIENated said on Sep 01, 2007.... 
    So Craig is guilty? OK, he probably is. Unlike the Democrats, I think Republicans
are calling for Craig to resign. I cannot remember if any Democrats asked Clinton to
resign over his many, many, many, many, ... many episodes. But I think not. Sure,
not every Republican is a conservative, not every Republican has moral values. If
you look closely at some of them, they look more like liberals to me. Of course, the
other thing is, with Democrats like Clinton around, it does not take much to be a
more moral party than the Democrats. And the thing that really confuses me is,
it is perfectly OK for Democrats to be homos, but not Republicans? What is up
with that? I would think liberals and Democrats would be saying you go guy, you
go.
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 02, 2007....
    interesting family values there, senator craig.

    ed
  • bloc said on Sep 02, 2007....
    Nothing makes me smile more than finding out another rabid homophobe is a closet homosexual ;)


  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 02, 2007....
    HH.....First; not all democrats are schreaming for Craig's head on a platter. Barney Franks said he should not resign. He plead guilty to a lesser charge, now he says he is going to fight that. I don't know how old you are or if you are like some other bloggers around here that have selective memories. I'm not saying you are wrong with any of the people you mentioned but setting aside the partisanship, I'm sure we can find as many name's just in the eight years under Clinton as you have found in Bush's time.
    I once heard an old politician say: In order for a house to withstand attacks from all forms of adversity, then the foundation must be solid & uncorruptable. The Democrats controlled both houses of congress from 1954 to 1994. I saw alot of abuse during those years, plus some good. You may ask what that has to do with now? All I can say is, Who controls both houses of congress now?? BST  
  • Eilan said on Sep 02, 2007....
    I don't necessarily think Larry Craig's gay.  Bi, perhaps?  Definitely a hypocrite, but that can be said for lots of people.

    FWIW, there are a lot of men who consider themselves straight even though they frequent rest areas, public bathrooms, or parks looking for male-male hookups.  I'm not one for labels, and I'm certainly not judging, but I'm never quite sure what to make of this.
  • kelly said on Sep 02, 2007....
    It's quite simple. Republicans don't see anything they do as being wrong, punishable or even shameful despite the double standards they apply to everyone else. They see the world for what they'd like it to be, not as it really is.

    There is a personality disorder known as splitting. It's quite possible for Larry Craig to admit that he was guilty while at the very same time saying that he's not guilty of the things he admitted to.
  • Zaraida said on Sep 02, 2007....

    The big difference between Clinton and this hypocrite Larry Craig is that Clinton never went around preaching about high morals and condemning other people's sex lives.  Clinton did what he did and I feel sorry for Hilary to have been humiliated like that, but neither one of them has ever said someone else is "nasty, naughty, very naughty."  For those who are into Bible preaching, doesn't it say something like "he who throws the first stone" (or something to that effect)?

    I don't understand what's up with the Republicans who are so afraid of gays getting married.  If they minded their own business, kept their pants zipped, and took care of their own "family values," this world would be a better place!

     

  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 02, 2007....

    Kelly.....My dad had a saying for your type of arguement: " That dog won't hunt"!! Correct me if I'm wrong, but there wasn't a single democrat that said Jefferson should resign his seat after the FBI found that money in his freezer. I think every time a republican has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, many republicans asked the person to resign. I think you will find that true even with Gonzales.

    Zaraida......Your right ! Clinton & Craig are as different as night & day. Clinton likes women & Craig likes men. Clinton admitted he was a lier,we will have to wait & see on Craig-(if he fights in court). Remember he plead guilty to a lesser charge & now he said he is going to fight to have his plea changed. If so then he will go to court on the orginial charges. Oh ! by the way, there are alot of people on capital hill that has plead down to lesser charges & still work on the hill.  BST

  • bloc said on Sep 02, 2007....
    @bst = BullShitTalker
    "Correct me if I'm wrong, but there wasn't a single democrat that said Jefferson should resign his seat after the FBI found that money in his freezer." 

    As usual, you don't care about the truth.

    Some Democrats called for Jefferson's resignation Tuesday.

    "I stated in the past that if Congressman Jefferson is indicted, that he should resign for the good of the Congress as an institution, and more importantly for the good of the American people. I stand by that call today," Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Texas said.

    source

    This next one was done before he was even charged!!!

    House Democrats, insistent that they will hold lawmakers to higher standards, decided Tuesday that Rep. William Jefferson will not return to an influential committee until a federal corruption investigation involving him is completed.
    source
  • ALIENated said on Sep 02, 2007.... 
    I for one am glad that all the Democrats were elected last time. That gives everyone
a couple of years before the presidential election to recall what Democrats are like.
They could care less about doing any real legislating. All the want to do is discredit
Republicans and get as many thrown out of office as possible. When Republicans
throw someone out the Democrats go crazy (as in the Gonzalas matter). All 
Democrats care about is making sure what they say goes. They are so much
smarter than the rest of us poor morons, the American people. What a sad state
of affairs.

Way to revert to name calling bloc. Right on queue. How mature. Your concern for the
truth would be admirable if it were not so selective. If only you were as diligent about
telling the truth when it concerns what Democrats do. And why would nothing make you smile more than finding out another rabid homophobe is a closet homosexual? Why
is it so important that homosexuality be promoted? What other sinful behaviour do
you smile about? Oh let me guess, being a good liberal/Democrat, it probably makes
you smile every time you hear that another abortion has taken place or that another
illegal immigrant has crossed the border, or that some potential terrorist has gone
free on some technicality. (Hey, this immature name calling is sort of fun. I think I 
see why you Dems like to do it so much.)
  • ALIENated said on Sep 02, 2007.... 
    I for one am glad that all the Democrats were elected last time. That gives everyone
a couple of years before the presidential election to recall what Democrats are like.
They could care less about doing any real legislating. All the want to do is discredit
Republicans and get as many thrown out of office as possible. When Republicans
throw someone out the Democrats go crazy (as in the Gonzalas matter). All 
Democrats care about is making sure what they say goes. They are so much
smarter than the rest of us poor morons, the American people. What a sad state
of affairs.

Way to revert to name calling bloc. Right on queue. How mature. Your concern for the
truth would be admirable if it were not so selective. If only you were as diligent about
telling the truth when it concerns what Democrats do. And why would nothing make 
you smile more than finding out another rabid homophobe is a closet homosexual? Why
is it so important that homosexuality be promoted? What other sinful behaviour do
you smile about? Oh let me guess, being a good liberal/Democrat, it probably makes
you smile every time you hear that another abortion has taken place or that another
illegal immigrant has crossed the border, or that some potential terrorist has gone
free on some technicality. (Hey, this immature name calling is sort of fun. I think I 
see why you Dems like to do it so much.)
  • D6fer said on Sep 03, 2007....
    It's quite simple. Republicans don't see anything they do as being wrong, punishable or even shameful despite the double standards they apply to everyone else. They see the world for what they'd like it to be, not as it really is.

    kelly....if this is the case then why are the republicans throwing this turd overboard?
     
    The big difference between Clinton and this hypocrite Larry Craig is that Clinton never went around preaching about high morals and condemning other people's sex lives.
     
    Zaraida.....I guess this means that if you are a degenerate to begin with, then nothing that you do is wrong? This is a classic example of the liberal mindset!
     
     
  • kelly said on Sep 03, 2007....
    "That gives everyone
    a couple of years before the presidential election to recall what Democrats are like."

    More to the point, it gives people a couple of years to forget what the Republicans are like.
  • husbandhater said on Sep 03, 2007....
    Did anyone answer the question of is Craig in DENIAL?
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 03, 2007....
    HH....sorry to take your post the direction it ended up going! Either Craig is in total denial  & won't come to grips with it or he's not gay, only stupid or just plain arrogant. Speaking of arrogant!
      Bloc you don't even make a good pimple on the backside of any of the people you claim to admire. If you read my comment, I said; " correct me if I'm wrong". Whoopi!!!! Bloc found a democrat that requested for him to resign. Gee, the leadership not only did not request it, but the DNC remained mute on the issue. Does unindictated co-conspirator of an FBI sting ring a bell? Maybe you need to check Jack Muir-sp, a house democrat from PA. I would tell you to keep the faith Bloc but I think the only faith you have is in yourself & your arrogance.BWT
  • bloc said on Sep 03, 2007....
    @bst
    as usual you make claims without doing any fact checking. It's here for everyone to see.
  • kelly said on Sep 03, 2007....
    "Did anyone answer the question of is Craig in DENIAL?"


    Yes, I did. It was the "splitting" comment I made. I realize I used the wrong term. I meant reaction formation. Read a good blurb about it here.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 03, 2007....
    Bloc....the man in the moon is a conservative like you're a independant thinker. The only claim I referred to was you. Does your parents know how much time you spend on the computer? I would think you could find some illegal to do the tedious job of blogging, while you go make a ton of money writing software programs. Isn't that what you said you did, thats why you didn't have time to clean out that dirty old lent trap. so you paid some illegal $250 to do it for you. Don't overwork yourself. BST
  • lioneljay said on Sep 04, 2007....
    Senator Craig appears to be in denial. An Idaho newspaper was working on an exhaustive research project into the many allegations of his sexual wanderings. Apparently this was hardly his first foray into bathroom meetings and likely it won't be his last.

    This is a sad case, like so many of them. Craig and others like him are trained by their fundamentalist upbringing to abhor the notion of homosexuality and then when they find themselves having homosexual desires, they don't know what to do. Unfortunately, since the Republican party has allied itself with the far right wing of the Christianists, they have nowhere to go when this happens.

    It will probably take a long time before Republicans come to accept homosexuality as an identity and not a moral issue. Until they do, we can expect that others will be so embarrassed by their own identity that they too will hide behind a false bravado of gay bashing in the halls of our legislatures.

    It's sad, really. The man needs help accepting who he is. Barney Franks was right to insist that there's no reason for him to resign from Congress. What he did was hardly a serious crime, and what he was trying to do should not have had to occur in a men's room in the first place.
  • bloc said on Sep 04, 2007....
    @bst = BullShitTalker

    "Whoopi!!!! Bloc found a democrat that requested for him to resign."
    again, your implication is false and you did no fact checking.

    Here is some information from the article i linked above. Of course, you didn't read it and went on to make false claims which is your usual m.o.

    "Last year, Pelosi stripped Jefferson of his seat on the Ways and Means Committee, and had to fend off attacks from members of the Congressional Black Caucus who wanted Jefferson assigned to the Homeland Security Committee this year."

    Some Democrats called for Jefferson's resignation Tuesday.

    "I stated in the past that if Congressman Jefferson is indicted, that he should resign for the good of the Congress as an institution, and more importantly for the good of the American people. I stand by that call today," Rep. Nick Lampson, D-Texas said.

    Added Rep. Steve Kagen, D-Wis.: "While Mr. Jefferson is entitled to the legal presumption of innocence to which all citizens are entitled, all members of Congress must be held to a higher standard. Congressman Jefferson should consider resigning for the good of the Congress and for the good of the nation."


    I found more than "a" democrat, but you were too busy with your delusions to do even the slightest bit of fact checking. You also said, "    Gee, the leadership not only did not request it, but the DNC remained mute on the issue."

    The truth. (Pelosi is in a leadership role).

    "Last year, Pelosi stripped Jefferson of his seat on the Ways and Means Committee, "
  • husbandhater said on Sep 04, 2007....
    Bst I like to read the thoughts of others as I find it insightful and actually get a kick out of the banter sometimes. So it is o.k. as long as it doesn't get obscene or hurt someone to the point I have to delete something. I often find many can give as good as they get around here.
     
    And Linonel J thanks for that bit. Didn't know this wasn't his 1st time.
    Also I know of one Republican NOT embarressed by the gay thing as it is right on his door step:#2 in command Vice President Cheny. As a matter of fact his daughter and her wife/Life partner just had a child together(Congrats).
    I wonder how the republicans could compel Poor Larry to step down but be o.k with Cheny's family situation-the republicans "aligning themselves with the right wing Christians and all."
     
    I think he should come out of the closet and do what it is that his heart truly desires. You only get one life as far as we know and why not spend it being happy I say. If he is bi-sexual do a McGreevy. Maybe he feels that he is too old or what ever it is in his life that is keeping him. Or maybe it WAS a misunderstanding and he really NOT GAY. Whatever I wish the dude nothing but happiness in whatever he does in the future.
  • lioneljay said on Sep 04, 2007....
    HH, the Republican party has no leverage over Dick Cheney's daughter's behavior. I'm not sure that Cheney isn't embarrassed that his daughter is gay, but the reaction of some around him seem to be a case of 'it's ok because she's one of us but being gay just isn't right for anyone else."
  • bloc said on Sep 04, 2007....
    The onion has the best response to these naughty republicans ;)
  • kelly said on Sep 05, 2007....
    I don't really care what Senator Craig does in his private life, but I would like to point out that he is a bigger flip-flopper than Kerry. First he pleads guilty, then he says he wasn't guilty. Then he says he'll be resigning, then today he said he might not resign after all.

    Being gay or having homosexual sex is not a problem, but I'm sure the Repubs would want to get rid of him mostly for being a flip-flopper. :-)
  • D6fer said on Sep 05, 2007....
    I think that if he plead guity to anything he should go.....I don't think that anyone being gay is the issue so much as the way these types (allegedly) go about soliciting sex.....would this be acceptable to most people even if we are talking about straight people? Sex in public places? With strangers?
  • bloc said on Sep 05, 2007....
    @d6
    You bring up a good point. I find it odd that these activities were so important to law enforcement that they setup a sting for it. Maybe it was worse than I assume, but it seems like a misplaced priority to me. The ironic part is that people like Craig are the reason it's a misplaced priority ;)
  • lioneljay said on Sep 05, 2007....
    Has it been demonstrably proven that Senator Craig was arrested as part of a larger sting operation, or was that simply his defense that has been picked up as the truth?
  • bloc said on Sep 05, 2007....
    i'm pretty sure it was a sting, but I'm not positive.
  • Eilan said on Sep 05, 2007....
    Not all gay men cruise public places for sex.  Furthermore, a lot of men who cruise public places for gay sex identify as straight.  Just check out CraigsList sometime.

    Sometimes sting operations get set up in places like parks, rest areas, or other public restrooms because there have been complaints from the public.
  • bloc said on Sep 05, 2007....
    "Furthermore, a lot of men who cruise public places for gay sex identify as straight. "

    LOL, I'm not gay, I simply like sex with men, LOL
  • Eilan said on Sep 05, 2007....
    I hate to get all hung up on labels, but what do you call a man who identifies as straight yet likes the cock every once in a while?  Or is it only gay if he's giving, not receiving?

    BTW, there were complaints about the restroom where Larry "Wide Stance" Craig was arrested, which explains the presence of law enforcement.  
  • bloc said on Sep 05, 2007....
    bisexual? I wouldn't call them straight.
  • lioneljay said on Sep 05, 2007....
    Bloc, even bi-curious might be more accurate than gay in many cases. But if a guy is bi-curious, he's also straight for the most part.
  • bloc said on Sep 05, 2007....
    curiosity isn't the same thing as repeatedly having homosexual sex unless we are redefining curiosity ;)

  • lioneljay said on Sep 05, 2007....
    You're right, as there has to be some kind of threshold between occasionally curious forays and the activity being truly a part of your sexuality. I don't have a clue where that line would be, though.

    I don't have a clue what label properly fits Senator Craig, but he apparently has been engaging in homosexual relations for some time. That other Republicans don't want him around frankly says a lot more about them than it does about him.
  • D6fer said on Sep 06, 2007....
    again.....I think the act of soliciting sex with strangers in a public restroom is the bigger issue here....not the possibility that craig is gay....it is this action that bothers most republicans IMHO
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 06, 2007....

    HH......A couple of points that are up in the air, Craig has been asked to resign by his fellow Republicians but if he does not, then the Senate can censure him & I believe the leadership has stripped him of his committee duties. I wonder what everyone's replys will be if Craig gets his plea recinded & he's found not guilty of the charges?

    Remember Barney Frank; the Republicans tried to have him censured, not because he was gay but for using his congressional stationary to write a letter for his house guest to the Virginia probation office. They also said he attempted to get some of his friend's parking tickets fixed. This guy was also supposed to be actting as a male prostitute, while living with Franks. the democrats were able to beat back the censure for him. I don't like to bring up a sore subject but; Isn't Homo-sexuality the second largest cause of the spread of Aids? You don't suppose that has anything to do with people being aganist Homo-sexuality? BST

  • bloc said on Sep 06, 2007....
    bst misses the point as usual, and then brings out his litany of "but the democrats did x y and z". Notice that he wants us to reserve judgment until the he's found guilty or something, he already pleaded guilty. BUT with the democrat he wants us to judge based on mere accusation on most of his points. Ah the hypocrisy. 

    The problem most of us have with Craig, and many republicans in general, is the hypocrisy of pushing bigoted anti gay meme's while being closeted gays. Oh, the irony ;)
  • D6fer said on Sep 06, 2007....
    I think that is why the Republicans are throwing him overboard bloc.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 06, 2007....
    Bloc the only point I missed was on the top of your little liberal head. Read my comment, I ask what if Craig got the plea recinded & then were to win in court. Instead of being so arrogant & full of yourself, all that you had to say is; I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS, I'll still think the way do. I really don't think you have the ability to think for yourself without other people doing it for you with their web sights! I don't think you are capable of judging anything on your own. AS I said before, you are nothing more then a shill for democrats & liberals. Why don't you LINK TO THAT!!! Oh! if anyone is interested where I got my info on Franks: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/gobie2.htm by Bill dedman Washington Post BST
  • lioneljay said on Sep 07, 2007....
    BST, people have stigmatized homosexuality for centuries before AIDS came into existence. Let's call a spade a spade and not rely on the "we hate homosexuality because it spreads AIDS" argument to make our point. Yes, acts commonly performed in gay sex can spread AIDS and often do - but that's not why most people who disdain homosexualtiy hold their anti-gay beliefs. It's just frosting on their cake.

    The specific offense that has caused Senator Craig all this trouble was minor indeed. So the question is this: why has the Republican leadership jumped so quickly to run him out of the pack? I think the answer is obvious. This is almost certainly not the first time that Craig has been alleged to have solicited sex from other men. If the Republican leadership waffled on him the way they did on Congressman Mark Foley, all the other allegations would have been made public and then the leadership would have had the same prlblems they had with the Foley scandal ("the party of family values is covering for a gay guy who is immoral according to their beliefs").The Republican party has taken a number of scandalous hits over the last year and they're fighting to survive in the upcoming election year. They dumped Craig like a hot potato to make the scandal go away before it got even bigger.

    Craig got virtually no support from his Democratic colleagues because of the obvious hypocrisy of his case. He has spoken vehemently in favor of numerous pieces of anti-gay legislation for many years. Sure, they're the opposition party and you'd expect them to not rush out to buoy him up - but Idaho is not a state where a Democrat is likely to ever win the Craig seat if he resigns, so there is little political reason for them to help push him out.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 07, 2007....

    LJ....your right about the many people that are aganist homo-sexuality, they believe it's just wrong. People that say live & let live are either gay themselves or just don't care what other people do. I'm of the latter type, where I draw the line is when someone tries to get in my face & tells me I have to expose my kids to their life style. Here is an example of how I look at this: [ I take my kids to an amusement park & everyone there is nude, do I try to explain to my kids why they are all nude & stay in the park or do I find out why the park allowed this without putting out the word to families coming to the park, then take my kids home or somewhere else.] It is for parents to decide when their kids learn about SEX, not some liberal that thinks kids are never too young to learn about sex of any kind.

    Of course Republicans are worried about losing seats in the up coming elections, they are scared to death of the direction democrats are going to take this country! If liberals were honest about cleaning up congress, then they would go after their own as hard as they go after their opponents. This use of Jefferson as an example is laughable, its so obivious to everyone. How about John P. Murtha-threating a house member that he could forget ever getting any earmarks thru Murtha's committee, he said it on the house floor. Or how about senator Reid accepting free tickets to a boxing match while he sets on a committee that was looking into the Boxing world. Both cases made the news, even if they were played down by the liberal press. BST     

  • lioneljay said on Sep 07, 2007....
    BST, I'm not entirely opposed to your line of thinking about parents and informing their children about sex. However, your hypothetical about the park allowing nudity doesn't make anything any more clear for me. I'm also not at all sure how it relates to the question at hand, which is whether or not the Republican party retains the right to call itself the party of morality.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 07, 2007....
    LJ...I wasn't trying to defend or rationalize the republican party's right to be the party of morality. Each member on the hill will act according to their own standards or those of their constituents. Remember, the over all party platform might be Morality, but that doesn't mean each member has to to believe it or conduct their own lives that way.
    Do we still call the Democrats; The party of the big tent? where everyone is welcome, I don't think so! If your are aganist Gay marriage, abortion & openly religious then go somewhere else.
    Question: What part of the parent being the one to decide what their kids are taught about sex is ok with you ? Do you feel a parent should take a back seat to someone else with what their kids are taught? BST
  • lioneljay said on Sep 07, 2007....
    BST, my point was simply to return the discussion to the question raised in the original post. You seem to be avoiding answering that question about the Republican party. Do you feel that they are still legitimately able to claim that they are the party of morality? And can you answer without dissing the Democrats?

    As for your second question, I'm fortunate to live in an area where the public schools provide a balanced health education to students in middle school. They teach enough of the plumbing and psychology of sexual relations to satisfy our children's needs and we can talk (and do, quite often) at home about our personal values. I'm quite comfortable with the fact that my children have learned at school that contraception is and should be a part of all sexual relations where pregnancy is not a desired outcome. I'm quite comfortable that they have learned in a systematic and comprehensive way about sexually transmitted diseases as well as about the psychological risks inherent in entering into a sexually active relationship.
  • bloc said on Sep 07, 2007....
    bst wants us to judge democrats by a different standard than republicans. when a republican fucks up bst wants to hide it by vomiting as much crap about democrats as he can. I guess the democrats justify everything a republican could do in bst's mind.

    Let's be clear here. Craig promoted anti gay legislations then pleaded guilty to soliciting gay sex. Also, as lj pointed out, this is not hte first time he's been accused of being gay. The hypocrisy of demonizing gay people while being a closeted gay (not uncommon with republicans) is the issue.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 07, 2007....
    Bloc.... F.....you, you little twit, Craig plead down to a misdemeanor!! Its called "disorderly Conduct" Try checking your facts! Da!!
    If YOU had your way, everyone would bow down & kiss your ass as the great savior of all americans from the unwashed, Racist, Homophobes & lets not forget those nasty people in government that wants to strip all americans of their Civil liberties. We all can rest easier tonight, knowing Bloc & people like him are watching out for the rest of us. You should be a card carrying member of the ACLU, if your not already! You sure don't like anyone questioning your B.S do you?
    LJ.....I thought I did in my first paragraph, I don't give a rats ass if the Republican party is the party of morality. I vote for those people that are the closest to my way of thinking, which happens to be Republicans. I point out things done by democrats because I try to bring a balance to these onesided discussions. I'm glad you are in a area that teachs a balanced approach to Sex education. What age do you think a kid should be before they are first introduced to SEX? Listen, I've got to go do one of those dirty jobs, Bloc says only illegals are willing to do but the people I deal with, won't let any illegal within ten miles of their animals. I can't do the shoeing myself, because of my shoulder but I've got a farrier helping me. I'll check back latter.  BST
  • bloc said on Sep 07, 2007....
    your just mad that I pointed out all your nonsense in that other post. What exactly was his "disorderly conduct", oh yeah, soliciting gay sex in a men's room. LOL
  • husbandhater said on Sep 07, 2007....
    Bst I'm not touching that one. I will just say that A.i.d.s is a terrible disease that is actually more previlant in the straight community and highest amongst women actually. I've seen it's devastating affects and will party like a rock star,drop to my knees and thank God on the 1st day I hear of a cure.
     
    Bi-sexuality is actually hated by some in the gay community,(the proverbial "Shit or get off the pot). They are known as the fence sitters or the greedy ones b/c they are indecisive and getting it from both ends. Either way Honesty is the best policy. To each it's own I say.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 11, 2007....

    HH......Sorry!! It's been a busy three days, I got so wrapped-up with a horse that had foundered & one that tore off much of his hoof wall. I'm back to rehab on the old shoulder now & unless something else comes up, I'm stuck around the house.

     A few facts about HIV/Aids that I found, aids discovered in 1981. There has been 25 million deaths attributed to AIDS. Children accounted for 570,000 & nearly 1/3 rd occured in Sub Saharan Africa. There was a study done on the Infection Rate & the causes:[ 9,000/10,000 from Blood Transfusions, 2,500/10,000 from Child Births, 67/10,000 from Sharing Needles, 50/10,000 from Receptive Anal Sex, 30/10,000 from Percutaneous Needle Sticks, 10/10,000 Normal Sex, 6.5/10,000 Insertative Anal Sex ]. The So-called Relegious Right as portrayed by liberals "think homosexuality is nothing more then being homo-phobic. As I stated in one of my earlier comments, "I don't give a damn if the Republican party claims to be the Moral Party or not!" I vote republican & will do so, until the democrats reconize Conservatives as just as right as liberals think they are. Oh, I'm sorry also for using your Post to confront Bloc, I won't do it again. It's just that I get tired of his form of facts that he throws around, so instead of just accepting what he uses, I go research it myself. But even when I do research the item in question, he comes up with some phoney excuse or attacks me in his own way. That's why I say what I do to him. I hope I answered your question. BST

  • bloc said on Sep 11, 2007....
    "I go research it myself."

    I can pull up plenty of assertions you've made that are plain false, and would have been easily researched in 5 minutes. You're mad because I did exactly this on one of my posts. You'll say any bullshit that pops into your head and there are plenty of examples across SC.
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 11, 2007....
    bloc, why do you waste your time?

    ed
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 11, 2007....

    SW....Bravo, yes why waste either of your valuable times. Both of you with your self inflated ego's. Don't bother Bloc, then I would have to spend my time on you & it ain't wurth it. You & Sw just go back to patting each other on the back & drink a shirley Temple for me. Or better yet; go smoke some of that weed that doesn't harm you or pollute the atmosphere. Oh! I hope you two don't get in trouble for wasting your time blogging while your suppose to be working, haven forbid!

    HH.....sorry again for bringing this crap to your post. BST

  • silverwhisper said on Sep 11, 2007....
    as usual, nothing but the usual clumsy evasions. jeez, if your'e gonna try evading so much, couldn't you at least take up gymnastics?

    ed
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 11, 2007....
    dupe comment
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 11, 2007....
    SW.......JEEZ why are you wasting your precious time? Go say something cute & witty to Bloc I'm sure he loves what you have to say!
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 11, 2007....
    who knew, bst's got nothing but more of his lame evasions. shocking.

    truly!

    ed
  • kelly said on Sep 20, 2007....
    "Remember, the over all party platform might be Morality, but that doesn't mean each member has to to believe it or conduct their own lives that way."

    Wow, that's a gem of a sentence. In fact, it's shockingly assinine. Somehow you think that just saying that you stand for something is good enough and that it's not necessary to practice what you preach. Do you suppose that the members of MADD often go out for a few beers after work and then drive home? Is it possible that members of PETA occasionally get together to go deer hunting? Do members of Amnesty International sometimes kidnap and torture someone?

    By the way, the Republic party platform would be faux morality.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 20, 2007....
    kelly......the only reason I'm giving you the time of day is because you came up on my e-mail. Leave it to you liberals to do what you accuse me of, to use such a silly comparison, it's like saying a woman who believes in pro-choice, goes & has a baby that she really doesn't want. Why can't members of MADD go have a few beers & drive home or members of PETA on occasion go hunting? Your point is totally Obtuse, these are specific groups that could belong to either political party. It just shows your liberal bias & how you view all people that don't follow the party line. I think certain SC's will be proud of you!! Keep the Faith. BST
  • bloc said on Sep 20, 2007....
    kelly is right and smb didn't make any sense. but to add to this ...

    "Remember, the over all party platform might be Morality, but that doesn't mean each member has to to believe it or conduct their own lives that way."

    This statement is dumb for one obvious reason. The senators getting caught doing this nonsense are usually the ones promoting the anti gay agenda! Surely even you, smb, can see the hypocrisy in this. You could say that they didn't really believe the shit they promoted but did it to get elected, but even that looks pretty bad.
  • kelly said on Sep 20, 2007....
    "...it's like saying a woman who believes in pro-choice, goes & has a baby that she really doesn't want."

    This is a really nice example of missing the point entirely. Pro-choice means pro choice, not simply pro abortion; the ability of the individual to make the choice.
  • bewaresmoothtalkers said on Sep 20, 2007....
    Kelly......last response on HH's post. "pro-choice means pro-choice", only because you liberals didn't like calling it for what it is: Abortion on demand! You people can't even call a spade a spade. Plus you & any of your ilk keep using the same arguement, I missed the point. Well! [ Plain & simple then, There are gays, members of MADD, Atheist, members of PETA & even as you wish to call them-(pro-choicers) in the Republican Party.] If you or any of your spin doctors wish to read about some of those hypocrites that are in the Democratic Party, just go to my blog sight. I'm sure you all can come up with excuses for each & everyone of them. The only problem, you might have to go to somewhere besides your left wing web sights to find the information. After all, if your hero didn't even know about Sandy Berger, because he wasn't around when he was caught taking classified papers from the National archives, then I'm sure you all won't recognize some of the other names I'll talk about. But you have a nice day anyway.  BST 
  • bloc said on Sep 21, 2007....
    i'm not a democrat, and I don't care for most democrats. I think kelly is in the same boat as me. It never surprises me that whenever a republican does anything wrong all you guys can say is "democrats, democrats, democrats".

    Who cares if I heard about Berger or not. I already said he should be in jail if what you say is true. What does that have to do with anti-gay republicans getting caught every couple months have gay affairs?
  • D6fer said on Sep 22, 2007....
    I find it amusing that even though when Republicans fail, they get cast aside, and you guys still have to beat the "dead horse" of hypocrisy. If you have no morals I guess you can't ever be a hypocrite right? I would think that you so called progressives would invite men like craig into the liberal fold of moral decay with open arms. After all, we no longer want him.....I would rather see his seat go up for grabs than him to stay......something that doesn't happen in the Democratic party....everything is in the name of power.....Hiding thousands of dollars in your freezer? Hey that's ok the dems will keep you.....got a male prostitution ring in your basement?Hey that's ok the dems will keep you! Left a girl dead in the bottom of a lake? AND spent most of your career drunk? That's ok the dems will keep you! Screwing interns on company time? That's ok the dems will keep you! Selling our secrets, our mining rights to the Chicoms? That's ok the dems will keep you!

    all of these things are ok with all of you.....ridiculous

  • bloc said on Sep 22, 2007....
    anyone with a brain would realize that progressives would not want someone that has worked so hard to demonize gays, even if he turns out to be gay himself.

    no make no sense d6, and you're only making yourself look like a thoughtless partisan.
  • D6fer said on Sep 22, 2007....
    so nice to see where "progressives" (giggling) draw the line......it's ok to have a male prostitution ring in your basement....but if you are a gay bashing hypocrite....we don't want you! a-m-a-z-i-n-g-!
  • bloc said on Sep 22, 2007....
    i've never defended male prostitution, but it's not surprising that you can't make an honest argument.
  • D6fer said on Sep 23, 2007....
    what's not honest? I gave my view on the title subject and you agreed with me....again, I think the bigger issue here is that craig was soliciting sex in a mens room, not that he is a homosexual.....for that I believe he needs to be thrown overboard....I am simply pointing out the lack of moral fiber in the democratic party and their hypocrisy in judging ones actions, when in fact far worse things happen within their party and they never do anything to remove those in violation.
  • bloc said on Sep 23, 2007....
    the idea that I support male prostitution is dishonest. It would be highly dishonest of me to go out and find the nuttiest right wing whacko available (maybe fred felps) and act as if he represents you or the right in general. 
  • D6fer said on Sep 25, 2007....
    maybe so....but I could give you a laundry list of corruption in the democrat party that I don't think I've ever saw that you said squat about.....you libs are making such a big deal about a senator that is getting the boot from his own party....makes no sense to me
  • bloc said on Sep 26, 2007....
    I could make a laundry list of Republicans scandals that I've never mentioned. What exactly would that mean?
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 26, 2007....
    it would mean you've allowed an evasion to work on you. :>

    ed
  • kelly said on Sep 26, 2007....
    " If you have no morals I guess you can't ever be a hypocrite right? "

    Well, no.  That's not the definition of hypocrisy.

    When it comes to morals I find it odd that the party that used to lash out against moral relativism seems to be engaging in it to an extremely high degree these days.
  • D6fer said on Sep 26, 2007....
    I give up.....sorry to have interrupted another one of your move-on-dot-orgasms fellas....re-read my comments so I don't have to re-type them!
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 27, 2007....
    all your clumsy evasion just makes you look goofy, man, so i'm glad you're gonna stop doing that. :D

    ed
  • D6fer said on Sep 27, 2007....
    I didn't evade a thing.....read my comments
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 28, 2007....
    i did. that's how i know.

    ed
  • Taffy000 said on Dec 10, 2007....

    I saw Larry Craig's interview on whatever channel I think it might have been 20/20?  He just creeped me out!!! He reminded me of this story I heard of this guy who lived in Indiana.  He was married & had kids & he also frequented gay bars.  He would bring the men back to his mansion.  He'd take the men in the pool & wrap a cord around their neck for the erotic pleasure.  Many men were killed & he would just put their bodies outside in the yard.  His wife saw the bones but since they were crushed up she didn't think anything of it.  This guy killed himself once he was found out. 

    I guess I see why Craig is refusing to come out of the closet but I think it's truly disturbing.  To live a lie and expect people to believe it is really sick.  I personally think a person's sex life is their sex life but when you cross the line & have sex with strangers in nasty bathrooms it's just sick!!!! Even if they were straight I'd think it was nasty to hook up in a bathroom---!

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