Some people have asked me to explain my beliefs., I will try to do so now.
I will start by saying that the only way I can relate these things is by using imagery, because human language is not capable of describing some of the things I have seen.
We, as humans, are on display. We are somewhat like a zoo, if you will. We exist in a reality that is bound inside itself, and that reality is just one place in the larger reality, the true existence. what we know, what we say, what we see, all the trees and televisions and political debates and concepts of the origins of the universe, are all a 'bubble' inside the true reality. There are what we call 'beings' in this reality. they are not bound by our physical flesh or our forward progression of second by second existence. They can create and destroy anything that they determine important to them. To our perception, they are 'unlimited' beings.
They also live by consensus. By that I mean that when one desires to do a thing, it 'broadcasts' that desire to all the other 'beings' and a consensus is drawn. There is of course some 'disappointment' at times when the 'vote' comes back negative, but the reasons for the negative 'vote' are always valid, explained and understood, so there is no ill will.
These 'beings' can 'join together' in a manor, the only way I can describe it is that they join like mixing eggs, water and flower into a batter, and then after the cake is done, separating themselves back into eggs, water and flower again. they mix to become one entity, but retain their individual identities, and then separate into their original identities after the task at hand is completed. From this mixing, they increase their powers and abilities exponentially.
These 'beings' conceed to construct experiments. You see, they are always looking for new knowledge and experience. However, in their form and state, there are questions that they ask and cannot answer themselves. They try many experiments, and one of those experiments became our reality. Ours is not the first, or last, experiment they have and are conducting. They are learning things from our reactions, our creativity, our ingenuity, our selfishness and depravity, all aspects of our universe that they themselves could not experience. Living vicariously, if you will.
They can and do live in our reality when they wish to, and from time to time reveal themselves as the beings that have the power to create our reality, and thus manipulate it in any way they desire at the time, of course with the group consensus. Actually, I have been told that from time to time, one or another will come to our reality, and being unbound from the immediate group consensus and isolated in our reality, will do a thing against consensus, thus causing them to be restricted access to experimental realities for a time, until in our case, enough generations have passed that they can no longer be identified.
Our human history is full of encounters with these beings in every society, in religious, social, and historical texts. Sometimes, a human can perceive them well enough to maintain a contact with these beings after they return to the enfolding reality. These humans are called 'prophets' in our American society .
There is a problem with these 'prophets', though. The prophet can only perceive these beings and their reality in context that the prophet can understand, and can only explain their experiences in context to their own reality and society. Another problem is that the people in their society are so awe struck by these men and their descriptions, that they see them as harbingers of hope for a life beyond this world, as a leader of humans into the 'next' life, and construct a religious society around them and their ideas so as not to forget these 'prophets' examples. This practice does have the detrimental effect of causing that society to 'freeze' this moment in time, never being able to progress beyond the description of the 'prophet'. So, from time to time, a concerted effort must be made by the 'beings' to jump start the creative imagination process of the humans again by causing a major event in human history, one that will effect many people all at the same time and free their minds from the previous stagnation. Not everyone is freed, but enough are that it is carried on for the next few generations, and then becomes the norm, because it is the most like truth that these new generations can obtain, and those that are stuck in stagnation die off and with them their arcane ideologies. The 'beings' know this cycle with human populations, and monitor us to determine if and when these adjustments must take place. Without them, the human race would destroy itself out of, for lack of a better term, boredom of stagnation.
Humans are not pawns of these beings or this surrounding reality. We are given free ability to make our own choices in everything, be it what we determine is our favorite color, or who we love, or whether or not to have pop tarts for dinner. Being that we are not pawns, there are always consequences to human choice, and those consequences are often what are studied most closely by these beings, because they are all completely empathetic. They can 'absorb' our experiences as if it were their own. In a certain way, it is like a human can watch an ant struggle, can empathize with that ant's struggle, can learn from that ant's struggle, but can never struggle like an ant does.
In case you are wondering, everyone who was ever born will be a part of that reality after they are no longer a part of this one. We were all made from the 'stuff' that comes from that place, and will return to that place once we are done here. The really cool part of that is, we will retain our own identities, and since we were created here, we will 'add to' the population as a whole there. This has been going on since before there was a concept of our universe. Their reality is unbound by space or time.
How do I know all this to be true? Because I have been there.
Do I want you to believe what I have written? I don't really care, because I know it really doesn't matter what you believe. Whatever you believe, we will all end up in the same place anyway.
Am I trying to start a new religion? If i were, I would write this under my real name, publish my address, and ask for donations to build a magnificent monument to these beings, and am confident that I would have a spectacular building filled with 'believers' in a years time. I know this because it has been suggested by many, many people that I do so.
I will answer any and all questions that I can, as best I can. Keep in mind that I have posted this as 'my beliefs', and am asking no one to believe it themselves. What you believe is entirely your choice.
travelr712 posted on Aug 18, 2007
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fearing said on Aug 18, 2007....
Travelr - You knew I'd be the first one here didn't you? ;-)
I don't have any thoughts yet. I'm not sure I understand it all. I'm going to re-read. As promised, no debating it with you. We've already agreed to disagree and still be friends. Thank you for sharing it. I was one of the ones who asked you to.
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silverwhisper said on Aug 18, 2007....
i want to read this a few more times before responding more, traveler.
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travelr712 said on Aug 18, 2007....
fearing - i'll say that i expectedly hoped you would be the second to comment. debate all you want, i will not use my normal 'rigorous' style. i promise to you that i will just talk to you, like a friend.
silver - i'm glad you were the second. looking forward to your comments.
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mom said on Aug 19, 2007....
This was interesting, thank you for sharing that. -
travelr712 said on Aug 19, 2007....
mom - thank you for saying so. my rl mother would explode in a white hot flame of anger if she ever read this. :-) -
evil_twin said on Aug 19, 2007....
Travelr, thank you for explaining this better. I also got your email about the subject too, which I'll reply to as well. My first thoughts, and the only real way I can wrap my mind around this, is to compare it to something else. Some have said that this life of ours is like a test from God. He's watching us and studying us and waiting to see what we'll do with the things he's given us. What you describe is a similar concept, isn't it? I realize it's a totally different line of thinking, but like I said, I have to compare it to something I actually do understand! :-P
I'll get back to you later in more depth. But I wanted you to know that I did read this and I'm trying to process it.
-evil_twin LA
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nursecutie said on Aug 19, 2007....
I've been reading this over a couple of times and I still am confused........LOL It sounds very intriguing though. I'm not sure I can really comment! But I am glad you shared your ideas :)xxoo natalie xxoo -
travelr712 said on Aug 19, 2007....
et - you could say it like that, yes, and many people do, because that's a way they can perceive it. but we are not so much being tested as we are being observed. it's closer to a university psychology experiment where the observers establish a certain set of conditions and then watch how the subjects react to those situations, and record their findings. i guess the difference is that in a test, the person giving the test has a set of answers they want the subject to give, and anyone who has taken a test knows that those answers aren't necessarily the only answers, or even the right answers, but the tester judges the tested by how well they can regurgitate the answers the tester wants. not exactly an impartial way of determining information, that's why those university experimenters don't set up a series of tests alone to find their answers. they set up the situation, and let the answers come, whatever they may be. and those who are subjects are not rewarded or punished for their part in the situation. add to that the fact that we who are being observed, were never willing subjects of this experiment, we were placed here without our knowledge of the reasons.
let me lay out this scenario for you. you go to sleep one night. you wake up the next morning, and you are an inmate in a gulag in siberia. you have no idea how you got there, who put you there, or why you are there, but you are required to live by the rules of the establishment as if you belonged there.
now, if this were a test, you would have to figure out from context and conversations with as many other inmates as you could the answers to these questions, and try to determine from all the diverse answers you get what the truth is, and if you are successfully able to follow the correct rules, then you will be released, and if not, you will be tortured for the rest of your life.
if this were an experiment, you would be observed as to your reactions to the situation, and this information would be collated with the reactions of all the other inmates, and conclusions would be drawn, and at the end of the experiment, you would be let out, told the answers to your questions about the experiment, and allowed to live however you pleased afterward.
we are involved in a blind experiment, not a test. does that answer your question?
nurse - i know that what i wrote can seem confusing. my writing style can be a bit ambiguous at times. like i said at the beginning, it's difficult to describe these things with human language. it's no easier for me to do so than those who wrote the koran, bible, or any other religious document or historical text. not that my writing here is 'scripture', just that it's difficult to express non-human concepts in human language.
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mobil said on Aug 19, 2007....
You took allot of time with this, very interesting Trav, and thanks for taking the time to let us see inside your head. -
evil_twin said on Aug 19, 2007....
I guess I get what you're saying now. I think maybe it's just that I have a hard time thinking of myself as an experiment. Or that my life really has no other meaning than I'm being observed to see what I'll do. I can't argue your point because I have no other knowledge than what I believe in my heart and what I've been taught my entire life. But I'm always accepting of what other people believe, and in the end, you could be exactly right. That's not for me to know, I think. At least not yet.
Maybe as part of the experiment, they'll come to understand that many people need to believe in something far greater than themselves in order to make this life worthwhile. Faith has comforted so many, and I strongly feel that whatever a person believes in their heart, IS in fact the truth. For them. And since there are so many different religions and beliefs, it's safe to say that some of us are wrong. We can't all be right, can we? But I still think that most people (not all, of course) need to believe in something bigger in order to give themselves a sense of peace.
I still find your beliefs very interesting, and I think I've actually read about this somewhere. I can't recall where now, because I read so much. And I think at the time when I read it, I dismissed it because I didn't really understand it. But I'm all for knowledge, and I'm thankful that you shared this. You definitely know how to make people think :-)
-evil_twin LA
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destinydiva said on Aug 19, 2007....
the 'beings ' you talk about.... are they the same as advanced souls??
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destinydiva said on Aug 19, 2007....
et I agree!! thats why I love him :-) he defo gets me thinking :-)
(not the only reason !)
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evil_twin said on Aug 19, 2007....
Yeah, I get what you're saying. And I think this is something that we're destined to perceive differently. But I do understand what you're saying now. I just prefer to think of this stuff in different terms, for my own sake. And I guess if I'm one of those who can't accept a different reality, I'll have to exist in limbo. Is that how you would explain the concept of hauntings? Beings who can't accept the true reality? I'm curious about that.
-evil_twin LA
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travelr712 said on Aug 19, 2007....
you're not one that will have to exist in limbo. you can accept that there are higher powers and other realities, so you will have no trouble accepting the next reality when you enter it. whatever you believe is just fine. belief brings great comfort and hope. i would be a pretty miserable person without it.
hauntings? well, i've really not 'discussed' that with them very much, but from what i can tell, it's not exactly people who can't accept other realities, it's more like people who have such an obsession over a person or place, that they can't really believe they are not still part of this reality. it's really not that much different from other descriptions of why they are still there, i guess i just tell it more like an engineer than a philosopher.
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muckpar said on Aug 23, 2007....
You asked me to provide proof that God exists, I gave the Bible. What do you use for proof of your philosophy, other than your own personal experience? If you provided the proof in your post, please refer me back to it. -
travelr712 said on Aug 23, 2007....
muckpar - ancient documents are not proof of the existence of any deity. you have no way of proving that any ancient document is the proof of any deity. you have only the belief that your ancient document proves the existence of your particular deity.
the difference between you and i, muckpar, is that i don't care whether you believe me or not. in fact, to my belief, if you would have actually read it, it doesn't matter what you or anyone else believes, we're all going to end up in the same place. unlike you, i have nothing to prove.
oh, there is another difference. i've not asked for a single dime from a single soul in the name of my beliefs, or built any monuments, or promised anything to anyone, or sold innumerable 'sacred documents', clothing, relics, training manuals, or indoctrinational material. i have started no wars in the name of my belief, i have influenced no politicians with it, and i have stripped no cultures of their heritage and forced them to conform to my belief system, all in the name of 'love and acceptance'. i'm afraid that your belief system cannot make the same claims. i'll stick with mine, thank you very much.
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destinydiva said on Aug 24, 2007....
wow, very well sai trav!! :-) (oops im gonna get a whopping by some soulcasters)
but, i agree whole heartedly with your last two paragraphs xx
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muckpar said on Aug 24, 2007....
travelr: I did read your post, what I read was an individual who created a religion, within his mind.That is one of the wonderful things about God, he gave us a free will. -
travelr712 said on Aug 24, 2007....
muckpar - yes, in my mind, where all 'great religions' have been created since cromagnon man looked at the moon and said 'that's a god'but hey, at least I 'worked out my own faith', the way your document tells you to. i didn't just listen to the opinions of others and agree with them. and in the working out, i was allowed to experience some very amazing things that you never will. for your sake, i wish you could, but in order to do that, you would have to give up your rigid reliance on ancient religions to determine your morality and 'enlightenment' for you.oh, and this 'the bible is the ultimate authority and christianity is ultimate truth' argument just doesn't fly, there is no proof of it, and by nature, no way to prove it.let me try to explain it this way. you are involved in a 'faith based religion'. in your own document, the definition of faith is 'the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen' (Heb 11:1). you base your beliefs on things that you hope to be true, what you want to be true, not things that are actually true. The evidence of your faith cannot be seen. from the words of your own 'prophet', you cannot prove the validity of your religion. you can only ask others to believe in the same hope you have, and trust in the same things you cannot see. so how is that different from mine? i can only ask the same of anyone else to believe in my hope, and in my unseen evidence. neither of us can prove to anyone which is true. you believe your document was written by your god, but you cannot prove that it was written by your god, any more than i can prove any of the assertions i've made. so how is anyone else to know which is the truth? on your word? on mine? on a document of doubtful origins from which i just showed you cannot prove its own validity? do you believe what this document says, or do you believe what you want this document to say? -
muckpar said on Aug 24, 2007....
travler: I believe the Bible is the Holy Word of God. -
travelr712 said on Aug 25, 2007....
muckpar - i understand that you believe the bible is the 'holy word of god'. i never doubted that you believe the bible is the 'holy word of god'. just because you believe it doesn't mean it's true. so now, answer my other question. how do you prove to anyone else that your beliefs are 'the truth' and that mine are false?
your particular religion has enjoyed a 'carte blanche' in america for 200 years. but in the last 30, it has been shown time and again that it just does not stand up under scrutiny. your entire argument of the validity of your religion is solely based on the belief that the document is the 'word of god', and therefore the ultimate authority. without that agreement between the two parties, you have no argument. therefore, you must prove that your assertion is true, not simply continue to make the assertion. when you can prove the validity of your claim in the deistic authorship of that document, then you can use it as a base for your arguments.
keep in mind muckpar, belief is not proof, no matter how many people believe it. more people believe the koran to be true and the bible to be false than the reverse, so by the belief logic, the bible is false. prove the bible is true, or even written by a deistic being, and then you can use it as a valid argument. if you cannot, then you are obligated to find some other way to prove that your beliefs are true and mine are false. then you can answer my other questions.
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VioletEyes said on Jan 02, 2008....
Hey Trav
Wanted to let you know I had read this. I need some time with it... but answer me one question.
The "beings"... the empathetic ones who can control or contort time and join together... you allude to the fact that they are not human.. or not alive... maybe already "transitioned"..... Does that mean that they are kind of old souls just observing the living almost? Were these beings ever human?
Sorry if this sounds bad.... like i said, i'll need more time for a better comment.
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Me-Myself&I said on Feb 03, 2008....
*smile* i see said the blind one. just wanted you know....i get it!!! thank you for your support on "beliefs" see ya -
travelr712 said on Feb 03, 2008....
i'm glad you get it me, not very many people seem to. thanks for reading :-) -
RollingC said on Sep 01, 2008....
Interesting to say the least. Several scenarios come to mind as I read your blog/post. I discarded most of them but this one is prominent for me.There is a woman (from Central America) who had a near death experience and according to what I was told she " traveled " in some sort of tube(?) passage into another place. That place was Earth...but different in the sense that there was an incredible amount of Peace. It permeated, saturated, covered everything there if you will and you could almost cut it with a knife....not the words used to describe it for me but you get the gist of it.The place was also filled with people, as she saw groups of people walking about and towards her. One of those looked familiar to her and she asked Him" Are you Jesus?" to which the answer was " yes I am "" But are you the Jesus that I know, love and worship? "" Yes I am and I also have to tell you that you are not ready yet. It is too soon and you have to go back. It is not your time yet."She suddenly finds herself coming back (the same way I think) and wakes up in the hospital. She related this to a priest (I think) and afterwards started a society(that I can't remember but I'll try and contact my old friend and get the info from him) of people that have had similiar experiences.She claims that this existence of ours in which we live is not unlike a negative film upon which a picture has been exposed to and over there in the other place it is the finished picture.Interesting to say the least.Rc -
RollingC said on Sep 01, 2008....
Interesting to say the least. Several scenarios come to mind as I read your blog/post. I discarded most of them but this one is prominent for me.There is a woman (from Central America) who had a near death experience and according to what I was told she " traveled " in some sort of tube(?) passage into another place. That place was Earth...but different in the sense that there was an incredible amount of Peace. It permeated, saturated, covered everything there if you will and you could almost cut it with a knife....not the words used to describe it for me but you get the gist of it.The place was also filled with people, as she saw groups of people walking about and towards her. One of those looked familiar to her and she asked Him" Are you Jesus?" to which the answer was " yes I am "" But are you the Jesus that I know, love and worship? "" Yes I am and I also have to tell you that you are not ready yet. It is too soon and you have to go back. It is not your time yet."She suddenly finds herself coming back (the same way I think) and wakes up in the hospital. She related this to a priest (I think) and afterwards started a society(that I can't remember but I'll try and contact my old friend and get the info from him) of people that have had similiar experiences.She claims that this existence of ours in which we live is not unlike a negative film upon which a picture has been exposed to and over there in the other place it is the finished picture.Interesting to say the least.Rc -
RollingC said on Sep 01, 2008....
Interesting to say the least. Several scenarios come to mind as I read your blog/post. I discarded most of them but this one is prominent for me.There is a woman (from Central America) who had a near death experience and according to what I was told she " traveled " in some sort of tube(?) passage into another place. That place was Earth...but different in the sense that there was an incredible amount of Peace. It permeated, saturated, covered everything there if you will and you could almost cut it with a knife....not the words used to describe it for me but you get the gist of it.The place was also filled with people, as she saw groups of people walking about and towards her. One of those looked familiar to her and she asked Him" Are you Jesus?" to which the answer was " yes I am "" But are you the Jesus that I know, love and worship? "" Yes I am and I also have to tell you that you are not ready yet. It is too soon and you have to go back. It is not your time yet."She suddenly finds herself coming back (the same way I think) and wakes up in the hospital. She related this to a priest (I think) and afterwards started a society(that I can't remember but I'll try and contact my old friend and get the info from him) of people that have had similiar experiences.She claims that this existence of ours in which we live is not unlike a negative film upon which a picture has been exposed to and over there in the other place it is the finished picture.Interesting to say the least.Rc -
RollingC said on Sep 01, 2008....
sorry about the computer glitch....please delete the extra comment copies.Rc
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