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She called me at the phone.
I didn't immediately recognize her voice. Strange,  I hated that voice so much in the past.
I hated her with every fiber of my body and soul. I hoped she would die.
 
Her voice brought back in a flash all those negative feelings.
But, after the surprise, i politely answered and told her "Yes, i can meet you".
 
She arrived punctal, as to a doctor's appoitnment. Same to the one i remembered, as no days had passed by since that day she crashed against my life and ripped my happiness like a ripe fruit.  
 
Same long, unfeminine body. Same long face that made her look like Vanessa Redgrave. She knew it very well.......she made everybody well aware of that quite stunning similarity....I haven't been able to watch another movie with that actress without being reminded of her...
Same long, unshaped skirt, as to hide her body. Same blue eyes.
 
I did changed instead. In better. I shed pounds,  i let my hair grow and change their color, i changed my style. But see, i had to change. I had to do it because she ripped that happiness from me and i had to react. So I did it changing my exteriority.  
I should actually have thank her, dont you think so?
 
We sat down and asked for our drinks. The same ones. She smiled, timidly, at me while noticing it. I agreed to nod at her.
I kept my shades on. I wasn't ready to let her look in my eyes.She put hers down on the table. Around us people were drinking and talking and laughing. It was a warm beautiful summer afternoon. I was in vacation at home. I wondered how did she know i was back in Italy.
I had chosen the bar closest to my home. "You have to walk to come TO me. I will not move one inch more than necessary". I have thought at the phone.
 
And now she was there.
 
Ten years had passed by. What she could possibly want for me? Still?
I wasn't willing to make that meeting any easier for her. I was just there drinking my Aperol, nibbling on my olives. She was blabbering about the traffic, nervously moving her hands, complaining about how long she had hunted for a parking spot (good...).....I could feel her uneasiness....i didn't help her. I was tasting the revenge? You can say so, i guess....
 
I was waiting.
Then she launched the missile.
"I asked you to meet me because my psycoanalist told me so"
 
Yes, i always knew that blue eyes Redgrave look-alike had a long history of severe depression and emotional unbalance. Even before she landed heavily on my life. 
When my (then) fiance' and I met her she had that small adoring circle of friends more than protective of her.....she was known around as the troubled one, the intellectual one, the very rich one.
i guess she played a lot with this character ..she was carrying herself enhancing all that romanticism connected to her condition. My fiance', unfortunately, was a wandering soul extremely susceptible to such darkness and broodiness. So he found her irresistible.
 
After 5 years together we had left behind the extreme intensity of our extremely intense passion. We had a lovestory worth of a book. He felt like he had found in me his soulmate, his Muse, his Thule. He intoxicated me with reference to Saffo, Pindaro, Goethe. But life dried up our romantic juices even though not our deep connection and love.
 
But time was ready for her to become his new inspiration.
 
She was in therapy already at that time. After they met and then eventually married, she even entered in some clinic once. One year his sister (with whom i had remained close friend) told me that she had attempted suicide. 
I could have felt some compassion for her and for him, forced to be her nurse and her protector since then.
Sorry, I never did.
 
Guess the pain i had endured after he left me didn't allow me such noble feeling. And after life had mercy on me and gave me another chance to be happy she simply slipped in the back of my memory.
l had ultimately forgave him. I still meet him and we do feel still a bond together.
But she got simply deleted from my radar.
 
Until that day. She was again there, flesh and bone and voice and looks. In front of me.
 
"I reached a new level in my path to healing -. she was explaining to me - My doctor gave me as assignment  to write a list of all the people i ever hurt in my life. i was myself suprised when i wrote your name. Actually, you were on top of my list. See, I talked about you several times with my therapist. Now i have to clean my conscious from the pain i inflicted you. And I came here to say "I am sorry" . And have your forgiviness back. Can you forgive me?"
 
The Aperol was gone. My olives too.
I was completely taken back by this twist.
I left her finish that speech.
 
I remember that while she was talking, constantly arranging her blonde hair behind her ears, i was thinking "Revenge is really a plate better ate cold. I have you down on your knee asking me to forgive you. Hell no, its too easy. I should forget that you made loose my sanity as well? All those sleepless nights crying and aching, physically aching for him so much was missing him?"
 
Its an amazing feeling knowing you have the power to heal or to destroy someone.
 
But the euphory of finally being recognized in the pain i had endured, finally recognized on my right of being angry and hurt by he same woman who didn't think twice of throwing me in misery started slowly to subsize.
Slowly another feeling was reaching the surface of my heart.
Compassion.
 
 
If i was agreeing to forgive her i would definetely see even the last wound closed and healed.
But point was, i didnt have any open wounds. Not anymore. She arrived too late.
 
So i thought: How forgiving her is going to help me?
I have already found my sanity again, all by myslef, i went alone to hell and back to earth, i fought and won all alone and had my life back.
No antidepressant pills, not shrink couch for me either.
Just blood and tears.
Still ......i thought i could do something good.
 
I could actually feel good about myself in forgiving her.
 
She was waiting for my answer.
I chose my words carefully.
 
"I think that if i tell you some of my life during my past 10 years you will see that there will not need for me to say that i forgive you".
 
So i told her that after he left me, i yes suffered like a dog but i then found the man i eventually married, and he gave me the best thing in my life, my daughter. And mad me happy like i have never been before. My life was fine, i told her. Dont you worry for me
 
"I think this means that the pain you inflicted me has been replaced by happiness".
 
It was all i could tell her.
She smiled. I could feel she was relieved.
The tension fell off her face.
We ended up talking together for another 3 whole hours. We laughed too, we shared our experiences.
 
And then she asked me something that made feel even better.
"You know, he has never told me any details about your life together. Or how he was feeling for you after he left you. I asked him many times. Yet, he has always answered vaguely. I always felt like he is hiding something. Can you tell me more?"
 
I told her no. I can't. This is between you and him. I can't tell you something he has his own rights to be vague about it. Too many years are gone by, by the way. 
 
I couldn't share with her too much, after all.
 
She got from me what she needed. I wasn't willing to open up again that box of pain and tears.
But strangely i felt a smile inside my heart.
It was exactly like in the last letter he wrote me..... it was true then.... he had truly kept his promise to hold me forever in the deepest part of his heart.
 
So i guess, agreeing in forgiving her she gave me back this unexpected gift....a closure from him.
 
She amazingly acted, totally unaware of it, as involuntary messanger of love between me and him. 
I too had something to smile about when i told her goodbye.
 
Isn't life amazing?
 
 
 


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  • quietone said on Aug 16, 2007....
    gingersoul, this brought tears to my eyes, heck no past my eyes to my face!  What a wonderful, wonderful story!   :)
  • gingersoul said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Quiet...thank you. Yes, it has been a very emotional charged experience for me . I think i have almost gained more than her, after all....:-)   
  • quietone said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Yes, I agree, by far, in the long run you are the richer in life.  :)
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Again I'm struck by the beauty of your writing.

    You definitely gained something by forgiving her, and not just the message that your ex kept his promise (though that's something precious as well). :)

    ~Infernal
  • botoni said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Ginger.....It took a long time for both of you to get to that point. Its always so amazing to me that two people can have such a huge chasm between them and simple forgiveness spans that gorge after the passage of time and life itself. You are the one who benefitted from your encounter with her. Good for you!
  • mom said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Ginger- How awful to have to go through that, and if it had been me, I would have agreed to meet her just so I could poison her drink.  I felt so angry for you and what she did to you.  You are a far better person than me.  Good for you that you had that strength and compassion to forgive her.
  • gingersoul said on Aug 16, 2007....

    Infernal....thank you....we met one day after she called me...i called my girlfriend and told her about this bomb...she was only worried i might get hurt somehow by this woman .....but i knew it was something different....

    Bottie........yes, times softens the sting...it never goes away but you have the opportunity to reflect about where you started an where you arrived and what journey you have made in the middle ...l dont knwo if its a matter of getting wiser though....

    Mom....lol.....yes, my friend suggested something extreme too...like "Let her come and make her wait for at least one hour at 2 in the afternoon.Or bring your pix od you and him together or just scream at her "Bitch" and run away"

    .we had fun imagining any possible scenario.....lol....  

  • mom said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Ginger- LOLOL, I do that too, some of the stuff can be pretty bad but then I don't do it. 
  • secretlife said on Aug 16, 2007....
    i am always surprised how often our past finds a way into our present when there is something unfinished. 
    and how it can be good for all parties-
     
    great story.
  • gingersoul said on Aug 16, 2007....

    Mom...that's because deep, deep down we are good girls, after all....LOL..

    How are you doing, lady?

    Secret...isnt'it weird? It happened even other times....something remained floating, incomplete even for years and then found a way to come back....somebody might call it karma, right?

    So since i did something good.....i am waiting for my good reward....;-)

  • Mamie said on Aug 16, 2007....
    what a beautiful story, Ginger. And you cannot imagine the power you held then and now in the way that you decided to handle the whole thing. Good, strong choice. Good, strong, Lady! I am proud of you! xo,Mamie
  • gingersoul said on Aug 16, 2007....

    Mamie.....oh, i had the strong impulse to tell her i wasn't going to meet the, i have to be honest. But it lasted one second.

    Stronger than that has been my curiosity. Then maybe some no-admitted desire of finally being able of telling her all i always wanted to tell her and i never did.

    I think i was strong in that moment.....yes, my life was good .....

    thank you, Mamie..{hug}

  • mom said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Ginger- I am doing good, thanks. 
  • singlemom28 said on Aug 17, 2007....
    Great story! Hope you can handle the whole thing well! BTW, if you are single, maybe you can try wealthyromance.com, I just found my match there!
  • kruuyai said on Aug 17, 2007....
    I'm wondering why it was so much easier for you to forgive him than to forgive her.  Wasn't it he who hurt you more than she?  And wasn't his betrayal more meaningful, simply because of the closeness of your relationship?  I'm not getting a clear idea from your story of how close a friend she was to you before this all happened.  Just curious.

    I'm glad that you were able to see how this painful episode in your life ultimately led to your greatest happiness.  {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 17, 2007....
    well-written as ever, GS, and in every way possible, beautiful. :>

    ed
  • skald said on Aug 17, 2007....
    Ginger. This shows that you are a great person. I was just wondering if you had forgiven him and in the end you say so I think. I see that Kruu is on the same notes as me.
    And by her way you wrote this very well . Then you always do. PS. I usually don't read other peoples comments before I write mine and now I see that Ed has said just that.
  • pickersplock said on Aug 17, 2007....
    Wow.
  • gingersoul said on Aug 17, 2007....

    Single.......i have the feeling you and Vivian work for this site.......:-)

    Lucky......than you very much!....

    KruuKruu...... i noticed this...even in other relationships...even with my ex husband.... i think that greater is the bond and the intimacy you have shared with somebody greater is the hurt yes but also the understanding....you know this person, you know pretty much why he might be attracted to other women you loves him and ultinately you hope of not losing him as a person you love.......but why should i forgive "any" other her? I don't know her, i dont care of her, i dont trust her....she is just a piece of broken shread in my canapy...so its more natural to hate her and dont forgive her.

    In particularly, the Redgrave look-alike was not even a close friend of mine....we met few times and i knew who she was. But i never been a friend.

    Hey, that was one big lopsided hug.....{{{hugs}}}

  • gingersoul said on Aug 17, 2007....

    Ed....thank you again...

    psst: i am getting used to your compliments.....:-)

    Skald......you know, i dont think i have been that noble. Yes, i forgave him.  To the point that since then each time we meet when i go visiting its with big smiles and hugs. We are really happy to see each other. They are still married. From his sister i have been able to know many things about his life.

    He had endured many difficult situations due to her severe episodes of depression. He thought about leaving her at one point but i guess he truly loves her. They are still together so........

    Picker.....wow wow...;-0

  • ZsuzsiO said on Aug 17, 2007....
    Wow, GS, I am amazed by your skill for writting. I couldn't decide if this is an actual episode of your pesonal life, or is it well written literature out of a love story by a famous writter! I wish I could write about my storie in a way people could actualy imagine each and every move and sound as if they were watching a movie. I have some stories like that too, but I know I couldn't write it even half as good as you did!
     
    I think you owed yourself to go see the bitch. What goes around comes around, our ups are followed by downs. There is no good in holding a grudge in life about anything. It keeps our sould uneasy, and we are hurting ourselves by doing so. 10 years is a long time. It is enought to get over things, to deal with our emotions, to let go.
    She is so vain to actualy belive that her act was the reason for you to "forgive". It was your own beautiful self that allowed you to get over it, allow happiness to enter in your life again, and with that let the pain go. Not her phone call and desperate try to heal herself. I wish people like her would understand things like this. I wihs they would be able to see that they suffer because they think they were or they are more powerfull than others while the truth is that their own insecurity keeps them unhappy.
    Well, I guess they pay for it where it hurts the most to them: out of their wallets.
     
    Did she even realise she just let you in that secret she should have kept away from you ( your ex keeping you in his heart and never betray your mamory)? I don't think so. 10 years, and still, all she cares about, all she can see, is her own self.
     
    Good for you my darling friend, I am glad you allowed youself to have this experience
    =]
  • gingersoul said on Aug 17, 2007....

    Zsu...you got it right....when she asked me that question about him and his hidden feelings for me....i was surprised..i did think..can't she see what she is revealing to me?

    All her insecurities and obsessions were presented on a silver plate to the same person she hurt so much ....Then i realized that , as you said, it was only a self centered act of Me-Me insecurities...again...

    So i took the present and didnt even thank her.

    And 10 years are a lot of time to hold a grudge but even for asking forgiviness....

    Thank you for your nice words .{{hugs}}

  • Me-Myself&I said on Aug 17, 2007....

    Gingersoul, you are a lady!! you are proud of yourself...right? you should be.

    that was a great story, you are a strong one too. cool!! life is awesome

  • beyondtheveil said on Aug 17, 2007....
    "Tales in the Life of Ginsoul". I love these posts. I always learn something and am left with a good feeling. You are one of my storytellers and I thank you for them.

    You know, ginsoul, sometimes forgiveness is a double edged sword with me. Although it has happened very few times, when I was hurt similar to what you described, they always got forgiveness- but I never left with closure.

    They hurt, then walk redeemed.

    I walk with everything resurfaced and start over trying to cure something only time and distance will help. Forgiveness cannot take away the memory- nothing can.

    Has this ever happened to you in this way?
  • kruuyai said on Aug 17, 2007....
    beyond:  I guess that's why one of the steps in the twelve step programs is to make amends to all people we have harmed except when to do so would injure them or others.  I think that there are a lot of ways that seeking forgiveness can cause harm to the originally injured party.  As you said, it opens up old wounds that may have been healed or nearly healed.  Also, in the case of past romantic partners, making contact with that person (a former lover, partner, spouse) can cause harm to that person's current relationship by causing their current partner to feel insecure, etc.  I'm sure there are many more possibilities, but those are the ones that pop into my mind at the moment.
  • gingersoul said on Aug 17, 2007....

    Me-My.....thank you very much....:-)

    BeyBey.....no, forgiviness can't take away the memory...i completely agree with you....

    While she was talking i was reliving the past pain....how she used her romantic depression to present herself as the poor defenseless girl who needed help and protection...i remembered that he brought jher fresh oranges because she called him telling she was sooo sick at home (just a stupid cold) and he run to her instead that coming to me... i remembered how she manipulated him .....

    She admitted to have used many dirty tricks in order to steal him for me....i already knew them....

    I know what they say: real forgiviness comes only from forgetting. 

    I disagree. My incapability to forget was what my ex husband accused me, bitterly, of not being able to do. After he cheated on me i forgave him. I also worked hard on gaining back my trust on him. And indeed i got back inside my heart  90% of the trust he broke.

    But when sometimes i joked about his "old cheating days" he was always reacting upset and annoyed.......i just wanted him to know that since i was able to laugh about such things that meant that they were really in the past. But he interpreted any sporadic jokes as a proof that i was still holding a grudge, i was revengeful and still bitter and i didn't in reality forgave him because i didnt in reality forget.

    I told him many times: i did forgive you but you can't ask me to delete my memory. My memory is me.

    So i am a person who can forgive, but never forget. And in this not forgetting there is no pettyness. Its a survival tecnique. I dont want do the same mistakes, i dont want be fooled again.

    My ex husband instead was the type of person who was locking his past with double, triple security lock and NEVER talk about it. This behavior  was driving me nuts. But as long as i tried to talk about it he was refusing to do it.

    But did this mean he really forgave me MY mistakes? Absolutely no.

    In fact he revealed how much pain he was still feeling because of them even in the last letter he wrote me before the divorce....he didn't forget, although he forgave me...just like me....only i was open to talk about our past...he never wanted ...

    Psst: thank you for your words. i am proud to read you learn something from my posts.... even if i dont...lol....... {{hugs}}

  • hotaka said on Aug 18, 2007....
    Ginger, you're way of telling this story is amazing. You had me following along your every word. You are extremely good at relaying these events in your life. I felt I could understand what you were saying about going to hell and back all on your own. When you've come through the suffering by yourself and rebuilt your life and found your happiness there's almost no need to forgive the person that brought you hell and pain. Forgiveness is too late. But I am glad you were able to feel compassion for her and give her the forgiveness she was seeking. And what a nice ending for you too.

    Your story made me think of what might have happened to me and K had I been able to choose the other route. All I can say for sure is that I am so glad it never turned out that way. I am hanging on to K now and never going to let her go again. Your story reaches me in that it could have been K's story too. I am glad it's not hers. Thanks for giving us something to think about with this. Big hug to you!
  • hotaka said on Aug 18, 2007....
    By the way, I was a little lost about something and now that I read your comment above mine I am not sure that I understand exactly, but I remember something you told me once, that you have been on both sides of the story. Do you mind clarifying for me? Your fiance left you for Vanessa Redgrave (looky-loo) and you married, had a daughter and later divorced because...? Sorry, but I was just trying to understand everything.
  • gingersoul said on Aug 18, 2007....

    Hotbabe....i am happy you are back from the mountanis safe and ready to share some pixs with us....SC is always a little emptier without you lurking around..:-D

    Thank you for appreciating my writing, first of all.....{{hug}}

    To answer your question ......yes, i said i have been in both sides of the fence.....this because after 7 years in my marriage i had a short but intense affair with an Italian guy. It was short but long enough to create severe damage. That's why i told you i could understand you and K at the same time.

    When i was in "your" situation i could give a long list of reasons why i fell for this guy. Loneliness and unbearable distance and a heavy drop in my self esteem being the first ones. My then husband was here in the States by 3 months alredy, i was workign like a crazy in Italy at my newspaper. I was stressed out so much one day i had to rush to ER. They had given me the responsability to build ex novo a branch of the newpaper in my city and i was supervising al of a sudden 15 people.   

    Point is the only night i managed to go out with my friend she introduced me to this new group of people. And there he was...... handsome and dangerous. To make a long story short.....we became lovers. He fell instantly for me. But i had to leave in two months to come here in the States to pick up my husband and go in vacation (finally ) together. My ticket was ready.

    It was a short story but i started to instantly developing feelings for him. Feelings i couldnt easily figure out. He was like a succulent forbidden fruit. I was hungry, I ate it. But it wasnt only that. He was filling a missing piece in my life.

    Again, to make it short....I left Italy and met my husband again. I still remember......as soon as he hugged me i just understood all at once to whom my body and heart belonged. And any thought of my lover disappear like mist in the sun....

    But......what could have been an affair never ever possibly discovered...(i mean, we have had an ocean between us when it happened) ...it turned out to be the quickest admitted affair of history.....

    My friends told me later on that i should have denied everything because he couldn't have possibly know anything otherwise....but i just could lie to him.

    So when my husband found in my purse that stupid postcard i intended to mail to my ex lover and i did not (because i realized how useless was and silly) and he asked me reason of it.......well, i just told him the truth.

    I loved him so much and i knew that if i would have been in his place i would have preferred to be told the truth and not being left imagining and wondering and torturing myself......so i had pity of him and told him.

    I believe now that my friends were right. I should have never told him.

    So Hottie....now you know why i perfectly know what it means...

    And I am happy you chose K.   

  • mirrorimage said on Aug 18, 2007....
    Ginger, I can only imagine how uncomfortable that must have been for both of you! I am glad this worked out for you and I think your wording was the perfect response. You could have made it so much harder for her and by not doing so, I think it just showed what an incredibly person you are... And who better to show that side of yourself to than someone that caused you such pain... :)
  • gingersoul said on Aug 18, 2007....

    Mirror......yes, i could have made her feel horrible. But at the end....what for?

    I didn't need her feeling bad to feel good. She was really at that point pointless to me. 

    I had another "revenge" some years later exactly 2 years ago, when i met him this time. We basically bumped in each other.... he almost didn't recognize me. We hugged and he kept telling me how great i was looking, so hot and beautiful....he asked me to drive me home. I accepted . We talked in the car. Life was pretty good for him. I told him about my divorce. So he hugged me and told me how sorry he was. I felt his sincerity.  

    Again, isn't life amazing?....;-)

  • hotaka said on Aug 18, 2007....
    Gingersoul, why does reading you always make me feel like hugging you. *sigh*

    I can understand what you went through, almost word for word, with some factual differences of course. (I don't work for an Italian newspaper). Yes, I know what you mean. When you hold that person you know where you really belong. I know every time I hold K's hand or hug her, or hear her laugh, that she is the person I must be with to be happy. N could never have brought me the same happiness. I am ever thankful to have been given the chance to start again with K.

    Ah, ginger... It's getting to the point where you and I don't even have to talk anymore. Just name a topic and we can just look at each other and go, "Uh-huh. Yup, yup. I know it."
  • gingersoul said on Aug 18, 2007....

    Hota.......its so sweet what you said......lol.......well, this means that next time we comment to each other we will just do this:

    ........................................................................

    and we both will understand....{{hugs}}

    Hold on to your given chance.....dont ever take it for granted and give K the gift of treating her with double gentleness and double honesty. 

  • mirrorimage said on Aug 18, 2007....
    ginger, i like when things like that happen after such a hurtful experience... it just locks the door that you had already closed...
  • what.could.be.better.than. said on Aug 19, 2007....
    Another nice story. And this had a happy ending :)
  • gingersoul said on Aug 19, 2007....

    Mirror.........yes, wouldnt be nice if we could always receive the rigth closure for any bad experiences?

    I am waiting to finally have the closure i still need from my past marriage. I know it will still take me years.

    What.........i like nice endings too.....:-)

  • yassmena said on Sep 25, 2007....

    thx for ur sweet comment it really means alot to me and yes it is really beautiful to live the dream with the person u love.but most important to find ur true love first.

    i would love to check all what u wrote coz from that i feel like u r fall of emotions and good things.

  • gingersoul said on Sep 25, 2007....

    Jesse.....nice to see you here....glad you find the way...LOL....

    Stay here and read as long as you want...;-)

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