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Pros:

- medical research that can save peoples lives or help them lead better lives - The supporters of animal testing argue that if animal testing is eliminated, that many of the medications and procedures that we currently use today wouldn't exist and the development of future treatments would be extremely limited.

- Animal testing not only benefits humans but also helps other animals, for example the heartworm medication that was devised from research on animals has assisted many dogs.
- other testing techniques are not advanced enough
- minimise injury and maximise benefits
- the advantages outweight the costs.
- Moreover, many argue that the lives of animals may be worthy of some respect, but the value we give on their lives does not count as much as the value we give to human life.

- As far as animal testing is concerned we are confronted with the moral dilemma of a choice between the welfare of humans or the welfare of animals.

- The Research Defense Society – RDS, a British organization instituted to defend animal testing, maintain that most of the complaints made against animal testing are not found to be correct and that animal testing generates valuable information about how new drugs react inside a living body.

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Arguments against testing

- morality -
The supporters of animal rights say that animals have the right to live their own life peacefully; and we are not allowed to meddle with them just because we can.

- necessity/validity -
Deaths through research are considered unnecessary and are morally not different from murder. Animal dissection is regarded as misleading.

- usefullness -
Arguments against animal testing may generate at least two different arguments. Some believe that the goals of this type of testing are not significant. The blinding of rabbits to have a new kind of mascara is yet to be justified.

Others argue that the reaction of an animal to a drug is quite different than that of a human being. Animals are involved in testing the products such as cleaning products that assist humans less than medicines or surgery.

The fact that the results attained from experiments on animal testing do not accurately portray their influence on humans is considered to be a one of the serious argument against the animal testing. Humans are quite different from other animals, so the consequences of animal testing may not applicable to humans. They argue that they way one species reacts to a given drug or chemical in a particular way does not necessarily entail other species will react in the same way.

Critics continue to argue that animal kept in unnatural conditions, or animals in pain or distress, are not giving rise to accurate or consistent results anyway. Stringent regulations have not eliminated researchers from abusing animals even though such instances are rare.

 
 
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  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 14, 2007....
    The way I see it we have two choices, and only two.  Test things on animals and test them on human beings. If you can show me how we would consistantly get enough volunteers I'd be willing to debate it.  Until then test on animals and if you don't agree with me you are fucking dumb.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 14, 2007....
    honestly, i would vastly prefer that they do the testing on animals before they test on humans, too.

    ed
  • kendall_michael said on Oct 08, 2007....
    Dear sean renaud if you come back to this page I would like to give you another idea. We could replace animal testing, and volunteers if we did testing on stupid people. People like yourself are born everyday with mental problems. Instead of litting you bring down the averge IQ we would get something useful out of you like a new oven cleaner. Side note: There are several alternative to animal testing that could be used. Try doing a little research before you write on the internet. Second side note: It would be you that is "fucking dumb" ass hole. From mike kendall
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 08, 2007....
    ROFL.
  • loefff said on Dec 16, 2007....
    i think that animal testing is nessery and we should support it. would you choose you familt over your pet?
  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 26, 2007....
    Wow.  I Hitler would be proud of you Houston.  When I take over the world you are most certainly going to be in charge of inteligence gathering and entertainment.
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 16, 2008....
    Then volunteer to be used as a test subject.  Otherwise shut up.  This is an ignorant conversation, we know that animal testing has led to many advances in science and medicine and until computers have advanced a lot more than they are now it will be the ONLY safe way to test new things.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 20, 2008....
    Wow a Petard.  I don't even know where to start.
     
    We can start with the fact that your site is so obviously propaganda that it's not worth it.  But look I can make a a silly meaningless list to!
     
    1.  Virtually every medical advancement of the 20th century has involved animals in some way.
     
    2. Many of our other scientific advances have also involved animal testing.  Dogs and Chimps in space.  Dolly the Sheep.
     
    3.  What alternative methods are there for the sake of argument out of 450 sure you tell me at least one
  • SeanRenaud said on May 21, 2008....

    One more time Petard, what is one of these alternative methods?

    I wouldn't condone involuntary human testing.  Humans aren't the only living organism, well duh. 

    As much as possible the suffering of animals should be kept to a minimum but it's not always going to be possible.

  • silverwhisper said on May 22, 2008....
    some coward commenting anonymously is telling someone else to get a life?! irony, it seems, is best served with a sense of humor.

    ed
  • SeanRenaud said on May 27, 2008....
    Computers can't replicat a human body, maybe someday we haven't gotten to that point just yet.  When we do we'll suddenly see an explosion in new medicines because a computer could run simulations of really rediculous shit. 
     
    Joe: He Bob?  What do you think would happen if we mixed aspirin, extacy and Bacardi 151?
     
    Bob:  I dunno.  Let's pop it through the compy, not like it's gonna hurt anything
     
    Joe: Did that just cure Alziemers?
     
    Bob:  I think so.  It's no weirder than finding out that AIDS could be cured with Small Pox and Bee Venom.
     
    It's not scientifically inaccurate, it's less than perfect there is a vast difference. 
  • commerciallolita said on Sep 25, 2008....
    It's an unfortunate neccessity.
  • Peace_and_L0ve said on Oct 06, 2008....
    Animal testing is completly cruel. Our anotomy is different, therefore tests are discarded as inconclusive. It's virtually pointless. Not only is it pointless, it's agrivating and inhumane. Although many of the tests done are to rats, and lets be honest, they are RATS, they are still living and deserve the same peace and equality we do. Who are we to play God and decide who gets to die and who doesn't?
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 06, 2008....
    They aren't discared as inconclusive you twit.  IT's not pointless if it was we wouldn't be doing it and we are Men thats who we are to pretend to be something that doesn't exist.
  • shariskittles said on Nov 18, 2008....
    Most scientists have come to the conclusion that animal testing is totally inadequate for protecting humans from harmful products. And yes there are pros and cons for animal testing. Medical testing could most certainly be considered necessary. However, cosmetic and other types are not. We don't need to test oven cleaners and mascara on animals to get new products to live our lives.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 18, 2008....

    You can at least argue that cosmetics simply aren't necessary period.  As for those cleaners. . .uh what happens when you get some on you?  Oh wait we don't know until we test it.  I suppose if you're going to say that people have no right to file suit against the companies that make various cleaners if they say. . .die, then you're right.

     

  • AmyHannah said on Dec 10, 2008....
    This message is meant for SeanRenaud!!! I actually agree with you and think that you are the one making sense and that you are really sexy!!
  • Jolt said on Jan 06, 2009....
    Animal testing starts with minor animals such as rats. If the test fails/doesnt work right they drop the test and product right there. If the test works they try it on a more sofisticated animal like a dog or such. If the test/product contuins to work on through the more sofiticated animals then they try it on animals that are more like us such a monkeys. If the test is sucessful then they try it on humans and if it works pn (by which I mean not killing them) MOST humans then they release the product. For the humans that it doesnt work as well on they have risks and "Ask your doc if your health enough or if they should take it." Its a process to make living for humans better. Even though you have to take into account all the animals that are "killed' by this method. But I still beleve that it is the best option we have right now.
  • hjkl; said on Jan 18, 2009....
    i think we are abusing our free will by testing cosmeticis on animal but i agree on testing medicine on animal as overall it saves a human live and may not kill the animal
  • Poe said on Feb 10, 2009....
    I am for animal testing, except when it comes to cosmetics. I have a friend who recently became a vegetarian. I said we should debate on the subject, and wat she says is that -humans are not meat eaters, that we grew up believing we r.... -That doctors and scientists make up diseases for money. -if there was a cure for cancer, "they" would have found it. -that human beings are no different than Hitler, becuz the way we treat animals. -that if we eat animals we might as well eat each other. -that ALL tests should be tested on us -that all animals r equal to human beings. on it went on and on... the funny thing is, is that she has been a vegetarian for a month now.. now she looks down on those who eat meat. My older brother works in a lab with other researchers findin ways to cure diabetes. He's favorite animals r mice, hamsters, etc, And he does kill them, for not because he gets joy out of it, or because he thinks its funny. Its for the better of humans. What I dont get about animal protesters.. is that they're so passionate about this topic, when there are more an important things in this world to be focusing on. There are people getting raped, children being molested, racism, homelessness, street drugs, natural disasters that hurt families, etc. BUt they rather stick up for animals? I dont get it...
  • Munchkin93 said on Feb 11, 2009....
    Im for animal testing when it comes to new drugs that could save human and other animals lives BUT 100% against it when it comes to make up, i meen seriously why should animals have to die just so some self conscious people and beauty freaks can put chemicals and who knows what on their face & body because they think it makes them look better but to me it looks like they wear animals pain and death on their body with pride ..................  i really dont get it
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 11, 2009....
    who the hell do you think you are sean renaud! you do realize that people have their own opinions...MEANING THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER. go back to fucking preschool dipshit and learn that before you comment.
  • radiohead13 said on Feb 11, 2009....
    Yeah! I totally agree with you soccergirl0. I bet you love to piss people off! And, I think that definition of opinion is apt. Way to be! You have this person's support!
  • SeanRenaud said on Feb 11, 2009....
    There is a right and wrong answer to everything.  The idea that there isn't is absolutely absurd.  but go on tell me how rape isn't wrong because some guys think it's fun.  Otherwise SUCK A COCK IDIOTS.
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 12, 2009....
    and when have i said anything about rape?? this is an OPINION QUESTION i never said that EVERYTHING had a right and wrong answer! omfg like learn to read idiot. if you think that animal testing is okay then you are fucking mental. if you dont believe me than look at this and see if it changes your mind: http://www.stopanimaltests.com/animalTesting101.asp if you think that that is not cruel than you can go die in a hole you sick, mother fucking asshole. how mature..."SUCK A COCK IDIOTS." i have more points in favour of my conclusion than you do for yours, but if it makes you feel better about yourself...rofl get over yourself already i think that all animals lives have more value than yours.
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 12, 2009....
    btw: do something better with your life than pissing ppl off on blogs.
     
  • Random104 said on Feb 21, 2009....
    Animal activists stick up for animals because they can't stick up for themselves. And Poe the people that stick up for animals are in a sense sticking up for humans as well because humans are mammals and when it comes down to it we are ALL animals. Soccergirl10 definitely has the right idea by saying that testing on animals is cruel. and as for these mice and rats that everyone seems to be so adamant about bringing up...think like the government, they don't count. The dead mice aren't even tallied in the end of the year death count (which is wrong because they are living creatures and should at least have the respect of being COUNTED) Not only is animal testing wrong but it is insane the way the treat the animals being tested on....walk into any lab and I you'll probably find a cage fit for one small dog overstuffed with about 3 chimpanzees. The burns and bruises created by tests are half the time not even treated and any dead or dying animal is discarded as if it were TRASH. We say these animals do so much for us....then why do we treat them like garbage?? As for the oven cleaners get some SOAP AND WATER and do it the old fashioned way. The problem with our world today is that people are SOOOOO lazy!!! Now I have never had the opportunity to visit a place where animals that have been tested on go after testing, but a very close friend of mine has! In her journey she was introduced to 2 badly treated chimpanzees and later sponsored them. She was also told a dreadful story of a BABY chimp who's eyes were sewn shut at birth to test animal blindness!!!! IF THIS IS NOT CRUEL THAN WHAT IS?? Animal testing has been successful in the past yes....but at what cost??
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 23, 2009....
    omfg...that was amazing..it almost made me cry :) ;)
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 23, 2009....

  • SeanRenaud said on Feb 24, 2009....
    I hope both you idiots volunteer to be experimented on.
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 25, 2009....
    wow sorry bud..but thats already been used on you!! too bad you dont listen to reason! and i would volunteer you to be the first one tested on!! you are probably one of those ppl who lives in their parents basement and has nothing better to do with their life than to oppose the reality. GET A REALITY CHECK BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO COMMENT ON BLOGS FOR WHICH YOU WILL BE OUTNUMBERED! now go get over yourself and get a girlfriend...that will do you some good...unless you're gay...which is highly possible.
  • soccergirl0 said on Feb 25, 2009....

  • SeanRenaud said on Feb 25, 2009....
    LOL.  As long as your volunteering and we can use you up until we kill you then I support your opposition.  You are incredible and I thank you for your sacrifice.
  • Greeneyedfairie said on Feb 25, 2009....
    Wow, don't you guys have something better to do than bashing each other on the web? Look, get out and go fight for your causes instead. There's plenty you can do besides playing idiots on the web. Me personaly I support a little from each side. testing on animals is a must since we should test on humans. But I don't agree with silly tests for make up products or other pointless forms of sacrifice. I'm gonna be writing a paper soon on this subjuct and feel that it should have a little bit of both of the arguments.
  • ballen2556789 said on Feb 27, 2009....

    I understand what you are all trying to say animal testing is wrong but if you guys think that it is so wrong then why are you guys just on your computers arguing with each other why dont you guys go out and do something about it??? There are plenty of websites on the internet that have scientists who are looking for volounteers for their tests because they too believe that animal testing is wrong. So for all of you guys who are just saying stuff why don't you guys actually go out and do something about it!!

     
  • ballen2556789 said on Feb 27, 2009....

    I understand what you are all trying to say animal testing is wrong but if you guys think that it is so wrong then why are you guys just on your computers arguing with each other why dont you guys go out and do something about it??? There are plenty of websites on the internet that have scientists who are looking for volounteers for their tests because they too believe that animal testing is wrong. So for all of you guys who are just saying stuff why don't you guys actually go out and do something about it!!

     
  • ballen2556789 said on Feb 27, 2009....
    I understand what you are all trying to say animal testing is wrong but if you guys think that it is so wrong then why are you guys just on your computers arguing with each other why dont you guys go out and do something about it??? There are plenty of websites on the internet that have scientists who are looking for volounteers for their tests because they too believe that animal testing is wrong. So for all of you guys who are just saying stuff why don't you guys actually go out and do something about it!!
  • animal_lover95 said on Mar 03, 2009....
    Animal testing is very inscure of someone to test on innocennt animals that did nothing to them they havemay did someone in the past, but still remember that animals have a brain the size of a peanut so most of the time we can't blame the aniamls for their actions its it their fault that they have small brains it's not God's fault either because it's not God's fault that animals were meant to have small brains. So scientist should test on their self before they test on animals have you ever thought about how te animals feel just because they have small minds doesn't mean that they don't have feelings. And as for the pros and cons of animal testing thats ridiculous pros are just as bad as doing it period let me just say this if you can't test it on yourself then don't test it on anything. Beauty comes from deep within anyway so what's the point of animal testing. For the person who said that people who stick up for animals we have agood reason for that so thank you very much just because we might not have alot of money does't mean that we can't care for animals. And I'm thinking that you are one of those people who test on animals. So of course you would say that i'm sticking up for animals because I actullay care about them as much as I care about humans all humans are not good but you can't control what they become you have to encourage them to become a better person. I bet you have animals and you don't even take care of them, yeah they have small brains but they probaly want to run away I would to run away from you. You non-believer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 04, 2009....
    care to get a new diss lmfao cause thats getting kind of old bitch oh and btw i already do things to support my side. im not a loser who spend all my time on the computer.
  • poopy said on Mar 05, 2009....
    poop
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 05, 2009....
    wow you are real mature...
  • icecreamisgood said on Mar 06, 2009....
    Sean Renaud you are freaking stupid!! Testing on humans is a good way to get rid of cocky IDIOTS like you!! Go Volunteer yourself!! If you think that animal testing is ok...then go test on your cat or something...leave the animlas people care about alone!!
  • seanreanud-is-an-asshole-and-I-HATE-HIM! said on Mar 09, 2009....
    the name says it all..
  • one_wired_kitty said on Mar 09, 2009....
    From my perspective ... animal testing is a necessary evil until we can find a different avenue.
  • worldisdoomed said on Mar 09, 2009....
    hello?! do some research..there are plenty of other methods other than animal testing! example testing on cells. lets at least get a brain pleasee people
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 09, 2009....
    None of which work nearly as well as animal testing.  If they did we would use them but they don't.  I love that I'm worthy of so many alts though.
  • tttttttttttttttttt said on Mar 11, 2009....
    Testing on cells isnt accurate because cells dont have circulatory systems, livers, hearts, etc.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2009....

    Testing on cells barely works for anything when you're not talking about on television. Animal testing is still the ONLY plausible way t go.

  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 12, 2009....
    umm..im pretty sure we have cells in our body...last time i checked anyway. and the only thing you are worthy of is a punch in the face.
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 12, 2009....
    umm..im pretty sure we have cells in our body...last time i checked anyway. and the only thing you are worthy of is a punch in the face.
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 12, 2009....
    umm..im pretty sure we have cells in our body...last time i checked anyway. and the only thing you are worthy of is a punch in the face.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 12, 2009....
    You clearly don't understand the subject matter.  We do have cells in our body but you need more than just a few.  YUou need an entire body if you want to test certain things.
  • Mikaa said on Mar 13, 2009....
    I think that we have to rely on animal testing... Think about it. Would you test on a monkey or one of your friends or family? I love animals and all. BUT! Humans are more valuable than animals.. Plain and simple. Yes its sad to see an animal hurt. But its benifiting us. Build a bridge and get over it. Animal testing will continue until computers get advanced. End of story..
  • Wowzers said on Mar 13, 2009....
    Clearly you don't understand that noone likes you!!Animal testing is WRONG!!! If there is something that WE think is not safe for humans then plain and simple DON'T USE IT!! Wow... what is our world coming to?? It's sad to think that people like you are running our country and there is nothing the rest of us can do about it!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2009....
    Because you're clearly an idiot.  We can't find out if its safe without testing it.  It's not something WE think is not safe, we don't do things to animals that we think are unsafe.  We do thing that we aren't sure bout and need to find out.  There is a reason wh people like me run this country and the world. You're way doesn't work.  We'd all starve to death if peoplelike you were in charge.
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 14, 2009....
    its better than having other countries/ people bombing & threatening our country because they hate people like you. aka the majority!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2009....

    I suppose.  I mean we could be in the countries that bomb us.  I mean you're a girl, you know in the countries that bomb us it would be legal for me to slap the taste out of your mouth because you aren't showing me the proper respect right?

    Besides those are unrelated subjects.  You might as well say something like obviously Video Games cause violence, were are most of them made?  Japan.  Who bombed Pearl Harbor?  It's stupid and has no real connection from one thing to the next.  They aren't bombing us because we test on animals.  Every nation that does significant medical research tests on animals because there is no other viable way at this point.  One day (hopefully) computers will get to that point and when they do we'll find out all sorts of awesome shit because instead of only testing "good" ideas we'll just test everything.  I mean penicillian was a horrible idea.  Using mold to cure disease?  It was a horrible idea and one discovered entirely by getting lucky.  Who knows, Maybe a gallon of Mountain Dew chased by one beer and the venom of a Sea Cucumber can cure AIDS.  IT sounts funny, but so does magic mold and that's EXACTLY what penicillian is.

     

  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 16, 2009....
    You don't deserve any respect whatsoever!! You are an egotistical idiot who thinks the answer to everything is violence and disrespect!! These animals deserve to be treated just like any human should be treated. There is no reason for them to be treated unequal because truth is most of them are smarter than you!!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 16, 2009....
    LOL.  I love you you dumb fucking cunt.  Don't worry people like me won't ever let worthless wastes of space like you take over or have any real power.  We wont' let our children starve to death.
  • mysticalwhisper17 said on Mar 19, 2009....
    if you guys are so concerned about animal right maybe you should try to save humanity first. i mean you look out on the streets and there are people who have no food or homes and think about it they would eat a cat or dog or what ever faster than you guys could save them. how bout we focus on humanity and saving ourselves(the people who have souls and might actually have a chance to go to heaven or hell) first before we focus on saving the animals
  • The_Jack-A-Lopp said on Mar 19, 2009....
    i only have one question, this is for soccergirl. why should i treat an animal like its a human? what exactly has this animal done to deserve recognition of its intelligence? i'm sorry, but after watching my dog run headfirst into a fence because i threw an invisible stick i just can't give animals that kind of credit.
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Well...if you honestly can't think of one thing an animal has done to deserve recognition of it's intelligence I can give you an example. Animals (well a chimpanzee named Hammy to be exact) were the first creatures in space. Although sending Hammy into space and landing on the moon was "one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind", I would like you to think of it this way. Would you like to be sent into a place noone had ever been, not knowing if you would survive, in the dark and alone?? I don't think so. Animals show proof of intelligence everyday. Dolphins that jump through hoops, seals that will shake your hand and chimps that can use sign language. If that is not proof enough of animal intelligence...then you have somehow managed to corrupt yourself into thinking that animals are somehow less significant than humans. Truth is they aren't and many humans are alive to day because of animals. Most animals don't bother us...why do we bother them?? Isn't it enough to already be destroying their habitat?? We don't have to use them as sacrifices to our superficial needs aswell.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Wait, the fact that we strapped a chimp into a suit and sent it into space proves that it's inteligent? 
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 20, 2009....
    If you knew anything about that case, you would know that we didn't just strap him in a suit and send him into space! he had to set off tests by pullig strings and without his capability to do so we would have never know if it was safe for humans to go to space because although humans and chimps are similar in stature they have different immune systems!!
  • The_Jack-A-Lopp said on Mar 20, 2009....
    ok, so we taught animals how to do stuff. dolphins are exceptions, those things are crazy smart, but anything else, not so much. what do you think would happen if i walked up to a monkey in the wild and offered it my hand? the little shit would bite me. and then his big daddy monkey would chase me down and crush me into pulp. everything animals can do are things we've taught them to do. sure, dogs can smell cancer. dogs can smell alot of stuff. they don't know what it is, they just know that when they smell it and wag their tales they get a biscuit. thats not brainpower, thats positive reinforcement. using the same method you could teach a baby to smile when it smelled poop.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 20, 2009....

    Dogs and chimps have shown surprising levels of inteligence,  They have even shown personality traits.  That doesn't meake animal testing any less a necessity. 

    Lets go another route and value animal life.  We still need to discover more advanced techniques for keeping our dogs alive long because do value them.  Hense more experiments.  What's more is that even nature, or God whichever you chose to believe in values (most) life below human life.  This is evidenced by both their gestation periods and numbers.  There is a reason why dogs and cats are pregnant for shorter periods of time and give birth to larger amounts of young.  Sadly they aren't expected to survive.

    But if you've got a better more effective way of discovering new techniques for curing cancer I'm all ears.

  • I-hate-baboons said on Mar 21, 2009....
    Dear Sean Renaud: I hope that one day when you die you will be reincarnated into a baboon (which would make sense) and then everyone decides to run all sorts of animal testing on you. :) sincerely me
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 21, 2009....

    LoL.  If they cure cancer with it then while it'll suck to be me I'll be reincarnated as a millionare after that since I will obviously have fulfilled my duty and been good in that life.  Or maybe I'll come back back as a bull in India.  That wouldn't suck.

  • kelly12 said on Mar 23, 2009....
    i agree with soccergirl0. hey seanrenaud what about the dogs that help the blind? are the dumb too? no they are very intelligent...unlike you.
  • bemusedx said on Mar 23, 2009....
    Animals show high levels of intelligence in everyday life, jackaloop. For instance, dogs save people in fires and help lead the blind. However, intelligence should have nothing to do with whether animal testing is continued. That's like saying disabled people don't really count because of what they lack. Animals provide a constant source of friendship and love for many people. People who are against animal testing see it as sending their best friend off to the gulags. -Tasha
  • compx said on Mar 23, 2009....
    Well, Everyone has thier own opinion. Im very Much against Animal testing. Agree With me, Disagree I don't care. Opinions are like Assholes, everybodys Got one. (.Y.)
  • The_Jack-A-Lopp said on Mar 23, 2009....
    ok i see where your coming from, i personally don't see animals as being very intelligent. i know some of them are, and there are those stories about animals rescuing people, but in my opinion those are the anomalies not the norm. and opinions aside, seanrenaud makes a very good point about other options. we have none. it's either test things on animals or test things on ourselves. i mean i guess we could stop testing entirely, but then we'd be stuck in a scientific dark age until we found a new alternative. just ask yourself if you'd rather see your dog or your sister sitting in that lab.
  • kisser51 said on Mar 23, 2009....
    i'm for animal testing i mean just because they show intelligence isn't a good enough reason to stop testing on animals, i mean the venus fly trap is called an intelligent plant just because its learned to adapt but if we though of everything that way than every micro-organism that has evolved should be named albert einstein! and like jack-a-lopp said dogs only seem like their intelligant becase we have trained them after months to years of hard work to act that way and they have connected food with doing certian things,

  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 23, 2009....
    Sure...animal testing has helped scientific advancement, but do we really need to be testing makeup and unnecessary things on animals?? If any of you believe in extra terrestrials or a higher power....think of it this way. What if they came to earth and because we are less intelligent than them (although still intelligent) they started testing out stuff on us. How would we feel then?? We would feel the exact same way humans make animals feel nowadays....HOPELESS!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 23, 2009....

    If you don't want them testing make up, fine I can get that.  Do like so many other people do and refuse to buy from companies that test on animals.   Aside from make up what is really unnecessary?  

     

  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 24, 2009....
    and clearly you are more intelligent than an animal the Jack-A-Lopp considering you can't even spell tail right.
  • soccergirl0 said on Mar 24, 2009....
    There is so much unnecessary testing going on!! Why do we need new oven cleaners and soap?? We don't...water works just fine when you add a little elbow grease! The problem is people are too lazy to put in the extra effort!! And whos fault is that! OURS it is not the animals that are to blame..so why put them on death row for our superficial needs?? We don't need half the stuff that is being tested!! Since when is overn cleaner a necessity??
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 24, 2009....
    Since we had ovens.
  • The_Jack-A-Lopp said on Mar 25, 2009....
    um, forgive me if i'm mistaken, but i don't think i used the word tail. ever. in fact, after a careful review of all of my posts i have become one hundred percent certain that neither the word 'tail' or any word similar to that one appears anywhere in anything that i've written. i didn't use buttocks or hindquarters or anything like that either. or any words that look like tail. are you sure you don't mean lab? or monkey? or possibly smell? i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you're not actually a complete imbecile you're just high on the marijuana you're trying to get legalized. and you know what, if extra terrestrials or something thats smart enough to make us seem likes animals comes along and starts doing tests on us, more power to them. fortunately for us, anything that intelligent has probably found an alternative way of testing things by now.
  • The_Jack-A-Lopp said on Mar 25, 2009....
    oh, and while we're making shallow jabs about grammar i might as well point out that oven doesn't have an r. :)
  • Believerin said on Mar 25, 2009....
    Animal lives are actually very highly valued by MOST companies that partake in animal testing. There are very strict laws and regulations as to the treatment of animals being tested, and the vast majority of animals are kept as comfortable as the average household pet. Products being tested on animals go through a plethora of tests for safety before animals are subjected to them. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, regulations prohibit testers from just mixing up a random assortment of chemicals and treating animals with them. In fact, if there is not strong evidence that the product will not harm living organisms, and also that it will prove to be beneficial to society, laws prohibit testing on animals to occur. That being said, there are always exceptions to the rule. I am not refuting that are numerous examples of horrific negligence by those who test on animals. However, it is unfair to say that all animal testing is inhumane and cruel based on the evidence of laxity of treatment by the minority of testers. Arguing that animal testing is inhumane based on these examples of abuse is similar to arguing that allowing children to live with parents is inhumane based on the terrible abuses a minority of children are subjected to by their parents. The fact of the matter is, if there was any alternative to animal testing that was as economically and scientifically efficient, yet less detrimental to organisms, we would be using it. However, there isn’t. For the time being, animals will continue to be tested on as ethically and morally as possible. If we stopped animal testing in the United States, technological and medical advances would halt, we would lose our already slipping influence on global society, and, ultimately, life as we know if would be transformed.
  • aebf said on Apr 06, 2009....
    Great post, believerin. I don't think anyone wants to see or hear of animals suffering in any way, and I'm sure if we knew there was any real viable alternative the scientific community would jump on it in a second. I'm a vegetarian and an animal lover but I also take medications everyday, which keep me alive; and I think I must owe my life to animal testing. I am a supporter of rights for great apes. But I have ultimately come to believe that the life (or lives) of humans must be more important than those of animals; and that this is a necessary evil. I think that even if you are religious, you will probably agree with that.
  • ~Danny-Boy~ said on Apr 09, 2009....
    Oh my gosh...I can feel my IQ dropping just reading the argument between sean and soccer girl. Instead of arguing like two year-olds with potty mouths why don't yaw just agree to disagree? Because seriously, this argument has been going on since 07..that doesn't speak much of your maturity. And since I'm speaking my mind I might as well go ahead and say this: I've seen the pictures on youtube of animal testing, and yes, it's pitiful and it breaks my heart to see animals suffer (because yes, some of them are severelly mistreated) but a human life is more important than an animals. And although I wish there was a way we could test products in a different way, theres not, and until we advance scientifcally, animal testing will remain.
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 09, 2009....
    Agreeing to disagree is for cowards. And if we let it drop the subject may not be brought up again
  • LisaAnhLe said on Apr 20, 2009....
    I agree and understand all the things we humans have and know now all due to animal testing but see it as yourself being tested with all these chemicals that either put you through great irritation or even death. Im sure that no human being wants to be a test subject that is used for soemone elses personal needs so why should these innocent animals of nature go through all the test just for our needs? We humans are inteligent beings we created and discovered so many things WITHOUT the use of animal testing. Are you saying that we MUST test these animals just to create new medicine and everything else? Rather the animal than you, right? Well im sure the animals think rather humans than them because we are using them for OUR medications, and home use. Why dont we be appreciative of them and just find a new way to create medicines, etc . WITHOUT the use of animal testing? Im not saying that us humans should be the test subjects if we no longer use animals but we can always use the newly advanced technology we have today. I mean today we can have our babies come from a test tube, WITHOUT harming animals, so why continue to let these innocent animals go through all the test while we make use of what they suffered for, our own use?
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 20, 2009....

    Because it doesn't work that way. Rest assured the very second that it does that will be the only way we test anything.  And thousands if not millions of new cures will happen overnight because of it.  Right now before we test something on an animal we have a pretty good hypothesis of what will happen.  We just need to be sure.  Once we get to a point where we can run these things through computers and get 100% accurate answers we're going to start randomly testing stupid shit cus we can.

    We'll find out that the cure (or a cure) for cancer is thirty days of drinking only Diet Dr. Pepper and eating pepparoni pizza cooked with olive oil.  We would never test that today but when all it is popping some information into a computer and seeing what happens when all these chemicals mix together we'll get real smart real quick.

  • ~*get_summ*~ said on Apr 21, 2009....
    animal testing is good but only for the thinggs we need no makkeup or cleaning supplies. i mean if we did acctually come from evolution than we've made it without makke-up && the cleaning supplies. wouldn't you thinkk we could do that again? except just a tinge more civilized. you can disagree with me. its not like im gonna care..... ;p
  • therepublican912 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    It is a common misconception that all animals used in testing are inflicted with pain, treated cruelly, and are exposed to horrific living conditions. The majority of animal testing is simply to study the effects of a mild drug on an animal or test brain activity without harming the animals in any way. In fact, only 6% of animals used in testing actually experience pain. 61% of animals used suffer no pain and 31% have pain relieved with anesthesia. And since chimpanzees share about 99.4% of genes with humans and lab rats share 99%, it is obvious that humans, the dominant race, utilize their resources to elevate their survival rate. Furthermore, since animals, especially lab rats, have short life spans, it allows scientists to observe the effects of the drugs throughout their whole life or even across multiple generations. The prohibition of animal testing would paralyze modern scientific advancements including life-saving drugs and medications. Dr. Robert Gallo, co-discoverer of the HIV virus stated “With animals, we may have a cure for AIDS in 10 years. Without animals, we will never cure AIDS in our lifetime." World-renown physicians and scientists obviously approve of the use of domesticated animals for the convenience of our future generations. Animals used in testing are forced to live in horrible living conditions is just a common fallacy. In order for a lab to start animal testing, a researcher has to undergo 'ethical' approval, in which he proves to a team of professionals that the research performed with animals, is absolutely 'vital’ and the usage of animals is necessary. Also, the scientists have to agree to follow a certain set of laws that prevent unnecessary suffering of animals, dirty facilities, and other immoral practices. I concede that sometimes, scientists fail to abide by these laws and execute tests on animals that are completely unjustified. However; the prohibition of animal testing will force it into an illegal, “underground,” practice, which will most likely lead to higher fatality rates, worse living conditions, and the increased mistreating of lab animals. An example case of failure to use animal testing was with the sedative, thalidomide. It was introduced in 1956 and within a few years of its launch, women worldwide had begun taking it to help combat the nausea associated with pregnancy. Four years after its release, approximately 10,000 children in Africa and Europe were born with severe malformations. In 1961, several physicians discovered that women patients that took thalidomide often had children with birth defects. Shortly, the results were confirmed and thalidomide was removed from the market. Coincidently, thalidomide had not been safety tested on pregnant animals, therefore thousands of women worldwide had their children born with defects. Had animal tests been performed on thalidomide, it would have prevented the launch of the product and prevented the deformation of newborn babies worldwide. There are many instances in which the usage of animal testing helped create medicines and drugs that revolutionized the medical industry and saved thousands, even millions of lives. The “miracle drug,” Penicillin was first tested on mice in 1940 before being released and used to treat dying soldiers. It saved an estimated 100 million lives and was vital for the victory of the Allies in D-Day Normandy during World War II. According to TIME magazine, "His penicillin will save more lives than war can spend." Another example of the use of animals to perform medical breakthroughs was the treatment for diabetes. Frederick George Banting and Charles Best were searching for a cure for diabetes mellitus in 1921 and although they were unsuccessful, they discovered that insulin treated some forms of diabetes mellitus. Their lifesaving breakthrough wouldn’t have been discovered without animal testing. Even now, the population of people in the United States with diabetes is 23.6 million people, about 7.6 percent of the United States population and growing. Virtually every medical achievement in the past century has depended directly or indirectly on research on animals such as the first medicines for tuberculosis, blood transfusion, the meningitis vaccine, kidney transplants, asthma inhalers, the vaccine for polio, implants for Parkinson’s disease, and even one of the most successful treatments of breast cancer, tamoxifen. I concede that sometimes animal testing is not always used for honorable medical achievements, such as cosmetic testing; however cosmetic sales have been up 3.7% since the year, 2000. Meaning they are creating an increasing trend that will be difficult to stop. The prevention of animal testing in cosmetics will just lead to the cosmetic industry releasing their products without testing for toxicity, which is obviously not only immoral, but also extremely dangerous.
  • therepublican911 said on Apr 23, 2009....
    It is a common misconception that all animals used in testing are inflicted with pain, treated cruelly, and are exposed to horrific living conditions. The majority of animal testing is simply to study the effects of a mild drug on an animal or test brain activity without harming the animals in any way. In fact, only 6% of animals used in testing actually experience pain. 61% of animals used suffer no pain and 31% have pain relieved with anesthesia. And since chimpanzees share about 99.4% of genes with humans and lab rats share 99%, it is obvious that humans, the dominant race, utilize their resources to elevate their survival rate. Furthermore, since animals, especially lab rats, have short life spans, it allows scientists to observe the effects of the drugs throughout their whole life or even across multiple generations. The prohibition of animal testing would paralyze modern scientific advancements including life-saving drugs and medications. Dr. Robert Gallo, co-discoverer of the HIV virus stated “With animals, we may have a cure for AIDS in 10 years. Without animals, we will never cure AIDS in our lifetime." World-renown physicians and scientists obviously approve of the use of domesticated animals for the convenience of our future generations.

    Animals used in testing are forced to live in horrible living conditions is just a common fallacy. In order for a lab to start animal testing, a researcher has to undergo 'ethical' approval, in which he proves to a team of professionals that the research performed with animals, is absolutely 'vital’ and the usage of animals is necessary. Also, the scientists have to agree to follow a certain set of laws that prevent unnecessary suffering of animals, dirty facilities, and other immoral practices. I concede that sometimes, scientists fail to abide by these laws and execute tests on animals that are completely unjustified. However; the prohibition of animal testing will force it into an illegal, “underground,” practice, which will most likely lead to higher fatality rates, worse living conditions, and the increased mistreating of lab animals.

    An example case of failure to use animal testing was with the sedative, thalidomide. It was introduced in 1956 and within a few years of its launch, women worldwide had begun taking it to help combat the nausea associated with pregnancy. Four years after its release, approximately 10,000 children in Africa and Europe were born with severe malformations. In 1961, several physicians discovered that women patients that took thalidomide often had children with birth defects. Shortly, the results were confirmed and thalidomide was removed from the market. Coincidently, thalidomide had not been safety tested on pregnant animals, therefore thousands of women worldwide had their children born with defects. Had animal tests been performed on thalidomide, it would have prevented the launch of the product and prevented the deformation of newborn babies worldwide.

    There are many instances in which the usage of animal testing helped create medicines and drugs that revolutionized the medical industry and saved thousands, even millions of lives. The “miracle drug,” Penicillin was first tested on mice in 1940 before being released and used to treat dying soldiers. It saved an estimated 100 million lives and was vital for the victory of the Allies in D-Day Normandy during World War II. According to TIME magazine, "His penicillin will save more lives than war can spend." Another example of the use of animals to perform medical breakthroughs was the treatment for diabetes. Frederick George Banting and Charles Best were searching for a cure for diabetes mellitus in 1921 and although they were unsuccessful, they discovered that insulin treated some forms of diabetes mellitus. Their lifesaving breakthrough wouldn’t have been discovered without animal testing. Even now, the population of people in the United States with diabetes is 23.6 million people, about 7.6 percent of the United States population and growing. Virtually every medical achievement in the past century has depended directly or indirectly on research on animals such as the first medicines for tuberculosis, blood transfusion, the meningitis vaccine, kidney transplants, asthma inhalers, the vaccine for polio, implants for Parkinson’s disease, and even one of the most successful treatments of breast cancer, tamoxifen.

    I concede that sometimes animal testing is not always used for honorable medical achievements, such as cosmetic testing; however cosmetic sales have been up 3.7% since the year, 2000. Meaning they are creating an increasing trend that will be difficult to stop. The prevention of animal testing in cosmetics will just lead to the cosmetic industry releasing their products without testing for toxicity, which is obviously not only immoral, but also extremely dangerous.


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  • soccergirl0 said on Apr 30, 2009....
    Maybe you better get you eyes checked and read over it again Jack-o-lopp!! Agreeing to diagree would mean giving up on our beliefs, which according to the charter of rights and frreedoms we are entitled to have!! Of course I know oven does not have an "R", but it a logical spelling mistake because the r is next to the e on the key board! Although your spelling mistake was completely unintelligent because you spelt the word tail (appropraite spelling) as tale (as in an old story)
  • GigglesXD said on May 07, 2009....
    I agree with therepublican911.
  • bored... said on May 19, 2009....
    your a dick.... why should people volunter... seeing thatthe animals dont get a life...
  • soccergirl0 said on May 20, 2009....
    Calm down buddy!! We don't need a 3 page essay here!! Have you never learned to sum up your thoughts??
  • caitlinmichellee said on May 30, 2009....
    animal testing is morally unacceptable animal systems arent the same as ours making these tests unreliable and dangerous animal cruelty is a result of testing and we have cloned human skin and have cell-based tissue models which calls for faster and more accurate tests. :) now i hope you see it my way. :) and not those selfish assholes who do the experiments
  • SeanRenaud said on May 30, 2009....
    Cloned tissue can't be used for most experiments.  You need an entire organism not just skin.  You'd have to clown an entire person.  Animal testing is still THE ONLY viable test we have.  The moment it isn't we'll see a medical revolution.
  • cheeka7777 said on May 31, 2009....
    i love animals and sometimes more then people actually !! i think a lot of inmates that are serving multiple life sentences would probably offer themselves as guinea pigs if there was some benefits for their sacrifice..
    perhaps a favorite recreational drugs being supplied to them when possible or cash for their families ,, or cash for their victims as a form of atonement ,, anyhow i know we need to find cures for a lot of diseases but i have seen horrific videos of animals being tortured in the name of science ,, i am positive that there must be a better way then to use animals who certainly did not chose to volunteer their services !!
  • col.braddock said on Jun 08, 2009....
    Animals who are abused/ tortured and mistreated make up a small fraction of animals getting tested for medications. FIGHT THE POWER SEAN DONT LET THESE r-Tard HIPPIES THINK ITS WRONG
  • babooshka063 said on Jun 09, 2009....
    Hey therepublican911, would u mind sharing where u found that info at? i've done a lot of research on animal testing and i can"t say i've found anything similair to what u say. it did actaully change my thought a little knowing animals don't get hurt but then again i thought of my dog and i'd never want her hurt or any animal. so i can look into this too? i totally agree with u soccergirl0. i would pay anything to see u beat the shit out of sean cus he's a d bag. sean ur a pig, maybe u should do some research before u open ur mouth about shit u don't know anything about. wtf happened to u? did ur parents beat the shit out of u with the stupid stick? i've never seen anyone to be so damn ignorant. i can't believe u'd say something about soccergirl being a woman.u r truely human trash. it's like ur not even human cus the shit u say. thank god we have sane pple on this earth to put pple like u in a padded room. cynthia
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 09, 2009....

    LoL.  It's people like me that dragged the filth like you screaming out of their caves and into the world.  It's because we "tortured" dogs and monkeys that we were able master space.  It sucks we have doctors who are now performing surgery continents away. 

    It's because we tortured animals that we have countless vaccines and cures.

    It's because we tortured animals that we know how to perform organ transplants that save lives.

    Its fine if youre against animal testing.  Just remember that when your loved one dies of something that we might have cured if we'd bothered to try.

  • therepublican911 said on Jun 15, 2009....
    Hey Babooshka063, I found my information at various sources online (not wikipedia) and on books, and I can assure you that all the statistics and data I stated are true. Also, about your statement: i thought of my dog and i'd never want her hurt or any animal It is ILLEGAL to test on pets, why would scientists? It would be very costly. They test on animals specifically bred by the thousands for testing. Thanks, Alan
  • Vegesaurus said on Jul 01, 2009....
    I don't agree with animal testing What gives us the right to treat animals in that way? We think we're superior to animals, so we use them for our own benefit, but who's the ones that has given us the label of superior?... Us! We say we're superior but we're the ones that are ruining the world and yet we still continue to abuse animals and torture them for our own selfish needs. Besides, why should an animal die for a human?
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 01, 2009....
    LoL.
  • elliebabezzzz said on Jul 02, 2009....
    Hahahaha @SeanRenaud he can't think of anything for a comeback so just uses internet speak :') How amusing.
  • EmaLee said on Jul 02, 2009....

    some people should really look up information before they post. it's super annoying. i mean, really? are you expecting to sound intelligent when you just curse and bad mouth someone.<br>

    first of all, i'd like to state that i HAVE researched this issue, and that i have written SEVERAL papers about it also.<br> 

    second, this is MY opinion, but if you ever decide to agree with me...then that's fine with me.<br>

    third, if i offend you even the slightest, Sean R. then i'm 'sorry'<br>

    ** read from the beginning to the end, if you're going to comment / compliment / critisize me. **<br>

    there are many videos out there in the world about animal abuse. all of the videos, which i have seen, show horrific photographs of what it's like in the research center. there is even a website which shows you a virtual map of a research center. and one person who commented before me had said that he / she has a friend that has been in one of those research centers, and that she had seen pictures of a baboon that had its eyes sealed shut for an experiment. i have also seen that picture awhile back. and i can tell you, it looks really painful. it looked as if it were infected. the experiment wasn't even necessary. in fact, most of the tests that are conducted are not even needed. the scientists still continue to test them. and there as another person whom commented and said that if an experiment does not work, the scientists drop it. that is not always true. many of the researchers also abuse the animals. many animals get treated like dirt every day. another person said in their comment that there is usually a small wire cage that fits dogs on the smaller side, but which contains three baboons. THAT is not humane. you have to admit that. say, if animals suddenly grew more intelligent than human beings, and did the same things to us humans, would you still say nothing and let it continue? you would protest. it's simple. but, right at this moment...we continue to abuse and test unneeded products on the denfenseless animals. anybody who says that this is not unfair is basically considerd heartless in REGULAR society. i would even go as far as comparing you to the many dictators of the world, past and present. like for example, hiltler. people testing products on animals and abusing them, are like hitler. it is basically the same concept. hitler was MURDERING people completely inhumanely. it is the exact same thing. if you try and argue with that and say that when hitler was MURDERING people, he had no need to. actually, he did. he wanted a 'perfect' world. he was being SELFISH, as we human beings are being today towards animals. humans today also want the perfect world. no diseases. perfection. cleaniness. EVERYTHING. face it, humans want EVERYTHING. and yet, here some of us are going about how it's only 'JUST' a few research centers who actually mistreat the animals. not true. many investigators that many people do not know about have secretly gathered information undercover inside the reasearch center. there are many records and evidences that the animals being tested on are abused daily. there are many unneeded tests going on. metal being inserted for no reason except wanting to see them in pain. any of you posting on this site, have any of you heard their SCREAMS of PAIN. i really dont think so. I HAVE. it's really quite painful to listen to. it was in a video on the PETA website. i have no idea how ANYBODY would be able to stand working in that research center. it hurt me to the core listening to them in pain. it was awfully close to the pain i feel when my friends / family are in pain. it just simply HURTS you. the people who say that testing on animals is benefitting our society. is it really? think about it. use logic. out of the many times they experiement the same experiment, how many times do you think it will take to succeed? and if they dont succeed at first, how many other times will they try the experiment again? how many animals would they be willing to go through? i can assure you that the number is prettyy high. also, as someone had said, who're we to put ourselves in charge?? just because we happened to be more fortunate to evolve enough that we're the most 'intelligent' ones. but what i really think is that we're really not the most 'intelligent' ones. we're destroying our planet. our HOME. everybody else's HOME. it's really quite sad and disappointing since we consider ourselves the superior ones. ANIMALS take better care of the earth than we ever have, which i'm sure is a DISGRACE since animals are supposedly 'beneath' us. if you really think about it, and use our BRAINS...really use them...then we're just like animals. we evolved from an animal. we're basically animals. animals show intelligence everyday...just like we're SUPPOSED to be doing. as someone said, dolphins are learning tricks, canines are saving us SELFISH humans from death...risking their very lives (and who put them in this deadly position again? oh, right. US.), monkeys using sign language in an attempt to communicate with us humans (they learn it faster than mot of us), etc. there's lots more. we're doing SELFISH deed after SELFISH deed, and yet...who are the ones who STILL give us unconditionla love and utter trust. these animals. the ones who we keep torturing / abusing / MURDERING etc. many KIDS know all this better than you 'ADULTS' do. and yes, i AM a KID. and truth be told, in my eyes MOST of you all do not own one ONCE of maturity. i'm sorry if i offend anyone. but this is MY OPINION.<br> 

    oh yeh, and there are ALTERNATIVES. (and if you don't know how the cell models work, don't argue. i've researched this a bit.)  there are also virtual models. technology is more advanced than you think it is. every second, people get closer to discovering something new. and most of the time, it's not through animal testing. there are not just cell models, too. there are many alternatives. search them up. i really dont feel like arguing with you people anymore. it's awfully tiring. well, anyways. one more thing. someone said that we should be doing something other than sitting around and bashing each other. actually. we ARE doing something. we're DISCUSSING this...well most of us are...and we're spreading our opinons and spreading the word about animal abuse because believe it or not, there are quite a few people who do nto even know this is occurring. or they dont know much about it anyways. so, we are indeed doing something. I'M EDUCATING people with my OPINION.<br>

    keep all this in mind, please. and please think this through. i would have written more, but you people might have quite reading it...some of the people probably quite part way. anyways.<br>

    Thanks for your time,<br> <br>

    EM <3<br> <br>

    go to PETA for some more information, pictures, and videos<br> <br>

    & here's a website i went on.t here's a video.<br> <br> 

    http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/testing.asp

  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 02, 2009....

    PETA is filled with liars.  That said nearly EVERY major discovery has involved animal testing.  You're right to your opinion but it's wrong.

    If animals suddenly took over the world, well for starters we'd be communicating with rational beings and hopefully they wouldn't test shit on us, however nature DEMANDS that the strong prey upon the weak so I don't expect deer to love wolves, I bet deer wish (if they are inteligent enough to wish) that the all the wolves and bobcats and other predators would die off.  Sorry not how the world works.  If a time comes when we are inferior that is the way of nature.

    Honestly the previous response was so stupid didn't warrant a full response.

  • EmaLee said on Jul 06, 2009....

    PETA would not be filled with liars. Don't delusion yourself. It's a reowned organization.

    Not every major discovery involved animal testing. For example, a man long known as 'HM' underwent experimental brain sugery in 1953. Parts of his brain were removed. Scientists learned many things from that one experiment which involved a HUMAN.

    Also, deers, wolves, bobcats, etc. are part of nature. They were created ths way. If they were the only ones on this planet, along with all the other animals, many animals would not be extinct, endangered, etc. The planet would not be dying. The ozone layer would be fine. But, since humans are living on Earth also, the world is dying. Why do yu think there are so many movies about aliens attacking us and claiming the world is dying and that they want to kill the humans and leave the animals. We're ruining the planet. What animals do is all a cycle. We interfere. And when we test on animals, we're interfering even more. We're rocking the balance of life. You cannot compare humans 'preying' on lesser creatures to animals preying on animals. In the end of their 'preying', everything would end up balanced. THIS is the way the world works. We're just unbalancing things.

     

    -Em

  • EmaLee said on Jul 06, 2009....

    PETA would not be filled with liars. Don't delusion yourself. It's a reowned organization.

    Not every major discovery involved animal testing. For example, a man long known as 'HM' underwent experimental brain sugery in 1953. Parts of his brain were removed. Scientists learned many things from that one experiment which involved a HUMAN.

    Also, deers, wolves, bobcats, etc. are part of nature. They were created ths way. If they were the only ones on this planet, along with all the other animals, many animals would not be extinct, endangered, etc. The planet would not be dying. The ozone layer would be fine. But, since humans are living on Earth also, the world is dying. Why do yu think there are so many movies about aliens attacking us and claiming the world is dying and that they want to kill the humans and leave the animals. We're ruining the planet. What animals do is all a cycle. We interfere. And when we test on animals, we're interfering even more. We're rocking the balance of life. You cannot compare humans 'preying' on lesser creatures to animals preying on animals. In the end of their 'preying', everything would end up balanced. THIS is the way the world works. We're just unbalancing things.

     

    -Em

  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 06, 2009....
    Animals don't unbalance things.  Right.  Whatever.  I've had my fill of retards on this subject who ignore history and science and instead quote Hollywood for facts. 
  • Done said on Jul 24, 2009....
    People may be hurting animals by testing on them, but animals don’t get killed by being tested on as much as they do from people eating meat. Millions of chickens and cows are killed just to satisfy our dietary wants. If animals die for that, then why not die for a good cause like a cure for a viris or disease?
  • MRS.CHECKERZ said on Jul 28, 2009....
    Animal TESTING IS CRUEL AND INHUMANE. ITS THE HUMAN BEINGS FAULT FOR CREATING ALL THE DISEASES THAT ARE BROUGHT UPON US. ITS OUR FAULT THAT ANIMALS HAVE TO BE TESTED ON TO CURE DISEASES WE HAVE BROUGHT UPON OURSELVES. SO ANIMAL TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE, SO WHAt do u do NEXT? TELL ME BECAUSE ANIMALS FEEL TOO AND STOP BEING SO SELFISH !!!!!!!!!1
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 28, 2009....
    There is nothing else.  And human beings have (probably) never created a single disease.  (jury is out on AIDS) but other than that, you're a fucktard.  Please play in traffic, the gene pool will be better for it.
  • emmalee said on Jul 31, 2009....
    soccergirl 10 : wow first you accuse sean of thinking hes right and you try to tell him that there is no right or wrong answer then you go off and are a total hypocrite !! BE OPEN TO OPINIONS!! and dont be a bitch about it!
  • kisputukas said on Sep 15, 2009....
    why should animals suffer for our benefit?
  • tiffer262 said on Sep 15, 2009....
    i believe that testing on animals is wrong and unjust. animals do not have a choice when it comes to them being subjects. now if they are testing for animal drugs on animals that will benefit our pets yes as long as its not done in a cruel way. now if they are testing human products on animals that is unjust and unfair. animals should have rights too. they think,feel and have personalitys as well. i wont buy a single product if it has been tested on an animal. they are treated horribly, and ive seen videos that prove that.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 15, 2009....
    So we should test on what?  Prisoners of War?  Criminals?  The insane?  The old?  If you can tell me what groupd of human beings either one of you are willing to sacrifice I'll listen.  Till then please refrain from speaking.  You're holding up science.
  • kisputukas said on Sep 16, 2009....
    I'm not saying that we need to test on humans at all. Why, instead of inflicting pain for a drug that may-or-may-not-reduce-your-side-effects, are we not making more developments in synthetic skin? If anything testing on animals is holding up science.
  • kisputukas said on Sep 16, 2009....
    I'm not saying that we need to test on humans at all. Why, instead of inflicting pain for a drug that may-or-may-not-reduce-your-side-effects, are we not making more developments in synthetic skin? If anything testing on animals is holding up science.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 16, 2009....

    On synthetic skin?  Not only would that not tell us the what effect the drug has on say the liver but do you really think we have the ability to create synthetic skin?

    Even if we did animal testing is not limited to make up.  Where do you think that new Swine Flu vaccine is being tested?  By squirting it on a hamster?  Please learn more about the subject and come back when you are no longer retarded.

  • idontf-incare said on Sep 23, 2009....
    wow. i think animal testing is prob not one of the best ideas we've ever had but we don't have a totally reliable alt. so if you guys were actually intelligent (like more so than the animals...) you might actually try like helping your cause instead of writing stupid shit about it
  • CassidyR said on Oct 13, 2009....
    Well, like most of you are saying, this is an opinion question. Personally I think animal testing is wrong, but there is a vast majority of people out there who have a DIFFERENT opinion. Therefore, do not bash on this innocent guy, Sean, when this is an opinion question, and HE IS stating his opinion. I personally think you should all shut your fucking mouths and leave him alone.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 13, 2009....
    It's not an opinion.  It's a fact.  We do not have a viable alternative to animal testing.  We should all hope for one and strive for one but we don't have one at present.  So we get three options and two suck.  One is test on humans, two is halt medical research. . .until we find an alternative which might be tommorow and might be never, three is test on animals and continue advancing science and medicine.  These are facts not opinions.
  • NDApandas said on Oct 14, 2009....
    SeanRenaud you are STUPID!! i am a 15 year old girl and i know that testing on animals is wrong. i bet your not christian because u think you can decide if an animal gets to live or die.well guess what when you die GOD will determine if you get to go to heaven or hell.im pretty sure you will go to hell.and that is good cause you can spend all of eternity in the firey pitts of hell....with love me
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 14, 2009....
    LoL.  That was cute.
  • hillary?! said on Oct 15, 2009....
    wow. is everyone really gonna argue with SeanRenaud just because he has his own opinion??
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 15, 2009....
    Are you really going to pretend that every major medical advancement of the last century is an opinion? 
  • evonne(: said on Oct 15, 2009....
    lmfao! i love this. this seanny boy is trying to talk about other people being stupid, yet the only way he can actually express his feelings of anger is through swearing like a sailor. haha. go back to school. learn some new words. and maybe take some anger management classes, because this is a blog. it's for opinions. we're all entitled to those. even you sean. but only if you stop picking on people. then they'll stop picking on you. yea? sound good? haha. but for sure, the bottom line is that animal testing may be beneficial to science, but at the expense of mankind. being exposed to animal testing is desensitizing. Of course, that's my opinion, and i'm not forcing it upon anyone, i am merely sharing what i think. because that's what a blogs for. :)
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 15, 2009....

    No it's not okay.  Because it effects me.  If I don't stop these things here and now I or someone I love will die of a disease that we could have cured.  It is an opinion that animal testing is desensitizing.  I think your opinion is completely unfounded.  You might as well tell me that McDonalds is desensitizing.  Thing is that it isn't.  The fact that people get so sick over slaughtering animals today is adequate proof that we have become so separated from the hurting of animals that we can't stomach it.  Sure the actual scientists may be desensitized but the rest of us aren't because we are too far away.

    Besides are you going to be the one who buries your mother and tells her "We could have prevented this but we never researched a cure."  If you think that medicine has advanced as far as it needs to then go on thinking it's a bad thing.  If you think we have cured every disease that needs curing stick to that opinion. 

     

  • MRS.CHECKERZ said on Oct 18, 2009....
    hillary and sean are idiots that dont have feelings for animals. i hope you guys dont have pets
  • NDApandas said on Oct 18, 2009....
    SeanRenaud .wow.you are just a plain ASS:)
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 18, 2009....
    and I hope neither of you has family since you clearly don't care about them.
  • Tamara22 said on Oct 19, 2009....
    For those of you out there who think that animal testing is ok then i just have to say to that: you are cold and heartless and its people like you that make me sick to my stomach! Maybe we should stick you in a cage, or how bout we so your eyes shut so that we can test blindness! these animals didnt volunteer for this shit! God forbid you have animals, and if you do, maybe you should think about if you would give them up for an experiment. Oh, you have a disease so you would like to have some innocent animals tested so that you might get to live longer? Screw you! If you feel that way you dont deserve to stick around longer. We live and we die. Why the hell are we trying to keep everyone here so damn long? Back to the point, Animal testing is cruel and i hope one some of you get that through your dumb brains!!
  • MRS.CHECKERZ said on Oct 19, 2009....
    Thank u tamara 22 u know how I feel those people who agree on animal testing are inhumane and sean can u stop cursing at people we r just expressing our opinions ok
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 19, 2009....
    Because your opinions are stupid and dangerous.  But that's fine I think we'll just start experimenting on stupid people and spare the animals for now.
  • Tamara22 said on Oct 21, 2009....
    That would be great! How about we start with you! Seriously, you have your opinion and I have mine. You have been debating and arguing with people about this since 2007!! Half the crap you say isnt even crediable! I have been researching the issue for a paper i am writing in school and you dont really know what you are talking about.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 21, 2009....
    Then tell me what alternative has shown equal promise.  Just one that has shown equal promise.  
  • juicebox said on Oct 22, 2009....
    Really people?! Millions of innocent animals are dying each year... Who are WE to be god, and take advantage of other creatures lives?! This is not fair.. Imagine yourself in a cage three times too small, shaking with fear, then a huge monster coming, putting some putrid drops into your eyes causing intolerable pain, and sitting there for days and days with the pain still linguring... How would YOU like that? There are plenty of other ways we can test products WITHOUT spending millions of dollars, and wasting a poor animals lives.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 22, 2009....
    Can you please name one that has half, just half of the reliability of animal testing? 

    Also we are God by virtue of being superior.  There is no god, and long ago man took that role.

    If I'm wrong and there is a God, well the Bible says God gave us dominion over animals.  So God or no God we have this right.  Not that this isn't the stupidest argument made ever.

    Do you want people to die of stupid shit?
  • juicebox said on Oct 23, 2009....

    Okay, 1st of all I see your point.. Dont get me wrong.. But, like I said, there are SO many other ways to test products other than on animals... That way people dont have to die of stupid shit. We have invented planes, robots, calculators, ect. THere is something out there that we could use.

    Plus, if this is the stupidest argument ever.. Why have you been arguing about it for over 2 years..?

    ALSO- Aniamls are not reliable to test on.. (refering your equal promise statement)-- When animals are under stress, their bodies react differently.. And the animals are under stress because they are in a scary, weird enviroment.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 23, 2009....
    Because when I go silent you guys will think you've won.  It's the same reason I have to tell creationists they are stupid, if you look around you can see just how bad it's gotten on that subject because inteligent people thought "Hey most people aren't that stupid" turns out they are.

    Animals under stress are still going to react mostly the same.  The only test that is 100% (and even that isn't true) is testing on humans.  Real live human beings and even then we have to test on both sexes and all major age groups and races.  But unless you are talking about bringing back Nazi medicine we have to find out what is safe (at least a bit) before going to that stage.

    Also why would the animals be in a scary weird enviroment?  You are aware that these animals are bred to be in labs.  They aren't brought in from zoos or the wild.  They are born live and die in their enclosures.
  • juicebox said on Oct 24, 2009....

    Yes, most animals are bred in the labs.. But also some are caught in the wild.. And regaurdless, even if they are bred in a lab its still scary having something one hundred times bigger than you put painful drops into your eyes.. Thus, stress, and their body reacting differently to the product, resulting to a false test, wasting yet another poor aniamls life.

    And your right, the only test that could 100% correct would be on humans. So this is why we should make an identical human cell, or body, or whatever, instead of wasting these miserable animals lives on tests that in most cases dont even work.

    I am not going to argue about this for 2 years, so when I dont reply, it doesnt mean you have changed my opinion, or "won".. It just means I am tired of arguing over something thats not going to change my opinion, and quite frankly I know I am not going to change your opinion, so its kind of pointless.
    --All due respect

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 25, 2009....
    You're serious?  We should clone humans for the sole purpose of testing medicine?  I mean the rest of your answer shows such ignorance as to be scary but we should make an identical human body.  We should start cloning people.  For medicine.  You're even more insane than most of the people posting here.
  • eus110185 said on Oct 25, 2009....

    ai, juice box

    if yur against testing on animals, then y in the world r u supporting testing on clones, clones are clones, identical copies

    in other words, they would have the same feelings and thoughts of the original, that means u would be supporting testing on humans and against testing on animals, so yeah, reword a bit there...

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 25, 2009....
    That's clearly what she meant to say EUS.  Humans lives are worth less than animals and should be used for testing.  I just don't know why she didn't say we should use our prison population.  At least they did something wrong instead of clones which would literally be like having children just to experiment on.

    The truth is that anybody who is against animal testing is against scientific advancement and should start by refusing to use any product that animals helped create.
  • eus110185 said on Oct 25, 2009....

    ya should've used the refusal of product purchase as a supportive argument earlier...

    it would've caused their self-contradiction

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 25, 2009....
    They would have and still will claim that since it's after the fact it doesn't matter.  The animals were already tested on.  Truth is they wouldn't be wrong.  The fact is we still haven't cured AIDS or Cancer or thousands of other diseases and we should.
  • eus110185 said on Oct 25, 2009....
    true, mebbe true, but agin, the expenses for animal testing r massive, if the company slipped and didnt receive as much income, they would ultimately go bankrupt
     
    and also it would be hard to cure a disorder (AIDS), cuz it would mean infecting the animal first
     
    and er, i guess a got a pt there too tho...
  • eus110185 said on Oct 25, 2009....
    well remember to build up yur future arguments on the result of the experiments, rather than the process
     
    ya found pretty much a moral issue to debate on, so its based on devotion and mental will good luck :)
  • Tamara22 said 13 days ago....
    First of all there is a cure for cancer. but in america if you dont use kimo therapy on a patient then you will go to prison because that is illegal. there is a doctor who cured a woman of cancer and didnt use kimotherapy and went to jail just a few years ago. Secondly who says that the bible is correct? are you really going to believe something that has been rewritten,things put in, things taken out, for centuries! If there is a god I believe he would want you to love all creatures and treat them the way you would want to be treated. I agree that animal testing has benefitted us in the past but with todays technologies it is not neccisary.
  • juicebox said 13 days ago....
    I wouldn't say that I am insane.. Thats a little childish, isn't it? =S And thanks Tamara 22, I agree with you =] God loves all the creatures the same.. And he wouldn't want such pain and misery for anything... And there SHOULD be an alternative Oh and people, I see your point people, haha- no need to get defensive- Im not a scientist or anything, I don't know a different alternative to animal testing-- I just think that its cruel... And we should find a different way

  • SeanRenaud said 12 days ago....
    Wow.  I wish you two would just admit you're idiots and your opinion shouldn't be counted..
  • staysexy4life said 12 days ago....
    i belive that aniamal testing is a good ideal as long as it has some real results. if your testing on an animal that has a natural desease that can harm humans then it is a good ideal to figure out what it is. everyone who says that animal testing is wrong didnt say that in 1922 when animal testing allowed for insulin to be isolated from dogs they also didnt say that when In the 1930s, modern anaesthetics and antibiotics were developed from the use of animal testing. netiher dose the women who wear makeup sence it comes from testing on animals also.
  • SeanRenaud said 11 days ago....
    I'm almost willing to cede the point on make up.  While I doubt that puting lipstick on a chimp has any ill effects most of the time I can cede that point.  but the rest of your post is spot on.
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