• namechangedtoprotecttheguilty said on Aug 07, 2007....

  I often wonder why liberals obsess about the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity and other neo-conservative blowhards.
   
  Are they a clear and present danger to your insane left-wing agenda?
   
  guiltyascharged

• bloc said on Aug 07, 2007....

  big oh is such a transparent ego maniac. 

• ALIENated said on Aug 08, 2007....

  Even I think O'Reilly is a twit. He makes honest conservatives, such as myself, look
  bad. 
  
  And why not block anonymously? Oh really.
  
  

• kelly said on Aug 08, 2007....

  I think anonymous posting has a place.  But those posts were just way off topic and possibly fraudulent (the 866 number) so I just deleted them.
  
  
  And what is that "insane left-wing agenda?"  Would it be human rights, the constitutional right to habeas corpus, the opposition to torture, the insistence on open and transparent government...?  It's true, it would be much, much easier to be a right-winger.  All you have to care about is money.

• silverwhisper said on Aug 08, 2007....

  i'm curious what the "insane left-wing agenda" consists of and how it compares to the "insane right-wing agenda".
  
  ed

• Daniel68 said on Aug 08, 2007....

  I agree with ed. If the last 7 years of the Bush Co. agenda have taught the American people anything, it's that the conservatives are owned by big oil, they are willing to spill the blood of American soldiers as their private mercenary force for their middle east oil agenda, and that they are a danger to the union.
  
  Oh, as for Oreilley and Limbaugh - they just get on a conference call every morning and Karl Rove tells them who to attack and how to attack them. The best thing that happened was that the Democrats boycotted having a debate on Fox. It's time to simply marginalize media outlets with an attack agenda against liberal politics. We can have our own media outlets. Let the marketplace decide. Isn't that what capitalism is all about, anyhow?
  
  My favorite stuff was the tapes of Oreilley sexually harassing his 24 year old intern. Telling her he was in his hotel room fantasing about her and all the shit he talked to her, before she had enough and turned the old fart in.
  
  
  
  

• stopmediabias said on Aug 08, 2007....

   Oh Kelly you have reached the pinnacle of stupid liberal extremism. Everyone can see that Mr. O spanked Dodd in that interview. Dodd failed to answer any of his questions and Mr. O exposed him for the leftwing hypocrite nut that he is.
   
  But lets look at the actual argrument which has somehow been missed. The DailyK is a disgustly vial and hateful website and any political figure who attends their convention must agree with and espouse to the disgustingly vial and hateful stuff. If a website had a picture of Bill Clinton bending Monica over with a cigar while Hillary looks on and the present Republican runners attended a convention of this website, you guys know there would be mania in the elite media's halls.
   
  But hey Kelly, keep courting the extremist liberal vote, it just means you guys are going to get creamed in 2008 because: extremist liberal = weak on national security. Ouch! Not a good place to be when Islamic nutzos are blowing up schools. One other thing: Mr. O and Limbaugh seem to be ahead of just about everyone on the planet in ratings, I know you guys know this, I just like to remind you.
   
   V-

• bloc said on Aug 08, 2007....

  @smb
  I would hope you would have a better understanding of the way a forum or community site works given your time here at SC. Is SC responsible for all of the vile things that are said here? Is it a reflection of their opinion? Why would the dailykos be responsible for all of the things posted on their site? It's been pointed out that big O had a lot of vial things on his public forum as well. I'm not dumb enough to blame him for what others have said.
  
  
  You also pulled out one of the great neocon contradictions. How is the media liberal if the top rated shows are conservative blow hards? I know, anything is possible in fantasy land.

• NewsMan said on Aug 08, 2007....

  bloc - "great neocon contradicition" ?   The rated shows you speak of are not of the (main stream media) ilk. Do we not know the difference between the (new medium) cable programming and the standard ABC - CBS and NBC?

• bloc said on Aug 08, 2007....

  so cable television is not mainstream? seriously?
  
  
  Let me see if I get the position of you guys. Rush, Hannity, Big O, etc get by far the most viewers/listeners. They dominate political media, yet the MSM is somehow responsible for many of the ills of our society? 
  
  
  You guys want to have your cake and eat it to. When you want to blame the MSM for losing the war (or some other nonsense) it's portrayed as the dominant force in public opinion. Then when you yourselves point out that neocons get the largest audiences you want to narrowly define the MSM. So which is it? Is the MSM the dominant force or isn't it?

• kelly said on Aug 09, 2007....

  bloc, you're up against the Republican lie machine.  I doubt promotemediabias even takes himself seriously, but by repeating that stuff ad nauseum people will eventually start to believe it.
  
  
  OK, I'll start one of my own then:  extremist conservative= weak on brains.  :-)
  
  
  By the way, pmb, I'm not courting anyone's vote.  I'm not a politician.

• ALIENated said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Why do liberals always resort to name calling and alluding to their "intelligence"?
  If someone is intelligent, they would not be a liberal. Granted, they would 
  probably not be a conservative either. We real intelligents are somewhere just
  to the right of the middle. Conservative talk shows are not news shows like 
  the ones we mean when we say mainstream media. I guess we are actually
  talking about the left-wing media when we say mainstream media. FOX news
  is not mainstream because they are not bent on promoting liberal misinformation.
  Socialist/communist states always control the news. That is why the Democrats 
  are so eager to shut down Conservative talk shows (CTS). CTS are just an 
  alternative to the politically correct, liberal garbage that is exuded by ABC, CBS,
  NBC, and CNN ad nauseum.
  

• NewsMan said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Oh I see bloc- As you reference, Fox news and talk radio are now in (your) estimation mainstream and the big media. Well we must agree to disagree on your take.

• silverwhisper said on Aug 09, 2007....

  there you go again bloc, interjecting logic... :>
  
  ed

• muckpar said on Aug 09, 2007....

  I could care less about this liberal, conservative thing.  Everyone is missing the main point.  O Reilly is a big mouth bully who asks people to come on his show and then proceeds to try and  browbeat them into his way of thinking.      I cannot understand why people bother to show up for his big mouth antics.  FOX ought to fire his big mouth and put someone on who allows his or her guests to answer their questions. 

• bloc said on Aug 09, 2007....

  @newsman "As you reference, Fox news and talk radio are now in (your) estimation mainstream and the big media. Well we must agree to disagree on your take."
  
  
  
  Dont' try to rewrite history. SMB said it. Here is the quote.
  
  
  SMB said: "One other thing: Mr. O and Limbaugh seem to be ahead of just about everyone on the planet in ratings, I know you guys know this, I just like to remind you."
  
  
  
  Again, you guys are trying to have it both ways or in the case of alien, trying to redefine the meaning of words. 

• BlueHotRage said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Wow.  Dodd totally handed Oreilly his own ass.  It's been quite a while since I've seen anybody do that to the blowhard...  Verbal bitchslapping always brightens my day.
   
  And no, I have not been to the Daily Kos.  Yet.  Must rectify this at once.

• stopmediabias said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Bloc-you cannot be serious, you don't think that with all the Dailykoz coverage it is not going to hurt the Democrats?  The Mainstream media consists the powerful print media which is disgustingly bias, then the big 3, ABC, CBS, NBC, also very bias.  Bernard Goldberg (a 20 year veteran of CBS) says in his book that the bias is not part of some conspiracy it is much worse than that, these people believe that average everyday people take the New York Times as middle of the road. 

   If we had to guess what Mr. O is it would be safe to say he is a conservative but his newscast is not, he slams conservatives just as bad as liberals.  Extreme Libs call him all sorts of rotten names without mentioning the fact that he dominates prime-time cable news in ratings.  I cannot stand Howard Stern but you gotta give the guy credit for the number of listeners he has generated.

  If you take the number of people who watch the big 3, and read the national news, this is what I define as mainstream.  In his prospective niche Mr. O dominates and I think if he was a crazy neocon bloward like most libs say I don't believe he would get the ratings he does.

  Kelly-I swear you make me laugh everyday:)  And I would love to see you point out one single lie that I've told.

  Muck-have you actually watched Mr. O?  I've discovered when people say such things it means they haven't watched his show.  I've heard Mr. O numerous times say: "I'll give you the last word."  I am very critical of news and I think Mr. O's ratings is because it is the "No Spin Zone."

  Alien-you hit the nail on the head, the smart people are those who are right in the middle.  I'm probably not as conservative as a lot of people but it looks that way because Libs give me so much ammunition to work with.

  Bloc- (he never lets me get away with anything :) ) I made that quote mistakenly I should have added at the end: "in their particular time slot."   

  Bluehotrage-you need to go back and view the tape again, holy moly!

• bloc said on Aug 09, 2007....

  "...he slams conservatives just as bad as liberals."
  
  Try being honest. Transparently false statements, such as the one quoted, do not make a good argument. 
  
  
  The problem with O'reilly is that he has no integrity. This clip shows that. He's trying to make a comment or two on a public forum into some kind of scandal. It's like saying that copsunited's comment about a rape victim represents soulcast's views of rape. It's patently stupid and dishonest. 
  
  

• bloc said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Here's a good clip of his inability to have an honest discussion.
  
  
  
  

• NewsMan said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Where is the Fairness Doctrine in all this?

  During the 2004 campaign, Howard Dean declared:"I believe we need to re-regulate the media."

  After is 2004 electoral failure, John Kerry said: "There's a ... sub-media that talks and keeps things going for entertainment purposes rather than for the flow of information..."

  bloc do you really suppose they were referencing mainstream media?

  The reason this new medium such as conservative talk radio and Fox News network is so successful is simple.  They now present a much needed alternative view to the liberal (MSM).

• bloc said on Aug 09, 2007....

  I think they are successful because they don't deal with nuance or complexity and attempt to appeal to people's base desires. Big O's show is more like jerry springer than it is journalism. He's not a dummy yet in both of these clips we see him working very hard to avoid a real discussion of either issue. 
  
  
  It's the same reason that candy is more popular than vegetables. 

• NewsMan said on Aug 09, 2007....

  No bloc I disagree. I think they are popular for the same reson that Regan won 49 states in his landslide election. For which by the way shocked the liberal media. This country on a whole is conservative by nature.  Any time a true conservative runs on conservative principles they will win elections.  When Republicans veer away from conservative values they leave themselves open for defeat, everytime.
  Again, this is why since 1983 conservative talk radio has grown to the status they now enjoy.

• silverwhisper said on Aug 09, 2007....

  newsman quoth:
  this country on a whole is conservative by nature. any time a true conservative runs on conservative principles they will win elections.

  so i guess that in your view bob dole wasn't a true conservative?
  
  ed

• NewsMan said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Correct Silverwhisper - I base that (fact) on Bob's voting record. He was a known moderate. That said, Clinton got only 49% of the vote to Dole's 41%.  That was with Ross Perot in the race, which pulled 20% of conservative votes  hurting Dole and helping Clinton to victory. Regan a true conservative however, pulled the now known Regan Democrats, who would today be the Blue dogs, who put the present Democrats in power. Without those 29 conservative Blue dogs  the Democrat acting (big spending) Republican party would still be in power. Can you see my point clearer now?

• silverwhisper said on Aug 09, 2007....

  i'm curious: what in your view what true conservatives are and what conservative principles are. do you suppose you could elaborate? most conservatives tend to talk about most of the same issues, but not entirely.
  
  ed

• NewsMan said on Aug 09, 2007....

  Silverwhisper -  You desire me to elucidate on conservative values and principles? Why not just maintain (a) view that Conservatives are cold-hearted, mean, cruel, mean-spirited, racist, sexist, bigots, homophobes who don't care if people young or old are starving. Forget about the environment. Conservatism is just plain not COMPASSIONATE!  Forgive me Silvershisper, however I detect strongly that your myopic vision in this case, has no scope for the perception of conservatism. Therefore, I shall withhold elaboration.

• ALIENated said on Aug 10, 2007....

  Bottom line, O'Reilly is foolish, but looks like Einstein compare to most liberals.
  It is not so much that I disagree with him as I just do not care for rude people.
  And when did a conservative ever get to finish a sentence on one of the
  MSM shows? I hate that, too, everyone talking at once. I think they should
  put guests in booths and regulate when they get to talk if they are that 
  rude. Some of these shows are like Jerry Springer. I keep flipping when that
  happens.
  

• kelly said on Aug 10, 2007....

  "The reason this new medium such as conservative talk radio and Fox News network is so successful is simple.  They now present a much needed alternative view to the liberal (MSM)."
  
  
  Yes, in the same way that a newsstand of tabloids provides an alternative to a library.
  
  
  If Reagan was indeed a true conservative that is an excellent selling point in favor of liberalism.

• bloc said on Aug 10, 2007....

  @newsman
  You come of poorly when refusing to answer silvers legitimate question and then trying to berate him. On this site alone we've seen many different views of "conservatism". I was once told on this site, by our friendly alien, that a gay person couldn't be a conservative. I've seen conservatism conflated with an ideological religious movement. I've seen it conflated with empirial ambitions. And lately I've seen it conflated with totalitarian desires. 
  
  
  I've also seen it defined as a political movement that values individual liberty which should manifest itself in both a free market system and in limited government. If we use this last definition then I'm a pretty conservative guy, but I don't think the republicans can claim that last definition. 

• silverwhisper said on Aug 10, 2007....

  newsman: every conservative i've ever encountered has had a different definition, hence my question.
  
  ed

• kelly said on Aug 11, 2007....

  "Where is the Fairness Doctrine in all this?"
  
  
  What does that even mean?  Reagan killed the fairness doctrine in 1987.  It was apparently later killed again by Bush.  I hear it's not quite dead yet, however.

• stopmediabias said on Aug 11, 2007....

  A question like: what Conservative principles are, coming from Silver is a loaded question.  It is only being asked so he can pick the answer apart.  What defines a person as a Conservative in my opinion is how they lean on major issues.  I don't think just one or two issues can decide either way.

  I watch the O'Reilly factor probably a max 3 nights a week and have for several years.  I completly disagree with the Jerry Springer comment, O'Reilly is an influence on our culture and our political system.  Don't forget in 2004 President Bush did an interview with O'Reilly and John Kerry refused.  I have to admit I do watch it because I love to see him hammer Liberals into the ground and I think he has done good in getting Jessica's Law passed in a lot of States.  I have seen him go after Conservative wackos like Micheal Savage. 

  I swear when Bloc and Kelly talk about the Bush Administration you can almost hear the Darth Vader music in the background. 

• silverwhisper said on Aug 11, 2007....

  no, it's not a loaded question, smb. if newsman says [x] is conservative and [y] is not, it is in fact essential to understand what conservative means to newsman in order to understand the reasoning behind why [x] meets the criteria whereas [y] does not.
  
  and the reason you hear the imperial march is b/c bush is an autocrat: that's just your conscience playing DJ. :D
  
  ed

• stopmediabias said on Aug 11, 2007....

  President Bush is an autocrat?  Now that's a good one, especially when the Leftys tout all the time that Cheney is running everything.

• NewsMan said on Aug 11, 2007....

  bloc: Your site was the first site in which I made a benign political statement. I was told by a blogger that I could do the world a favor by putting a bullet in my head, along with other vile comments. bloc, I heard not a peep from you. I find this quite hypocritical and a predictor of future intellectual dishonesty from you.

  Silvershisper- your point is well taken - As a conservative this is what conservatism embodies to me:

  The founding idea of our nation - limited government, resulting in the flourishing of freedom, built on a foundation of (personal responsibility).

   

  Defend and not demonize how our free - market capitalist economic system is a (means) for every individual to prosper.

  Not ripping this country on a daily basis. Or trying to divide people of this country into rich versus poor, black versus white. Conservatives will continue to push love of country,optimism, a can do spirit.

  Standing up for the traditions and institutions that have defined and made this country great.

  Not settling for mediocrity but instead a belief of ordinary Americans doing extra-ordinary things.

  Standing firm against the arrogant, vitriolic, metrosexual, weak, appeasing, anti-American America. Instead stay aligned with the unique American culture, the strong, confident, virtuous, and free one that has preserved liberty since its begining.

  Defender of moral values.

  To be open and honest to minorites inspite of political correctness.

  Belief in the real America not the politician's America.

  Duty - Honor - Country and Semper Fi !

• NewsMan said on Aug 11, 2007....

  bloc - In case your are confused I am refering in the aforementioned post to your statement that I was berating as in rail, revile, vilify, and abuse Silver.  Because I made the statement; that I detected "his myopic vision (in this case), has no scope for the perception of conservatism". 

• silverwhisper said on Aug 11, 2007....

  smb, the attorney thing apparently doesn't mean anything to you whatsoever, i take it? alberto gonzales's conflicting statements are to you something other than lies, i suppose?
  
  newsman: thank you. when you say "not settling for mediocrity but instead a belief of ordinary americans doing extra-ordinary things" or "belief in the real america not the politician's america", those are not things that are conservative-specific to me.
  
  ed

• bloc said on Aug 11, 2007....

  "bloc: Your site was the first site in which I made a benign political statement. I was told by a blogger that I could do the world a favor by putting a bullet in my head, along with other vile comments. bloc, I heard not a peep from you. I find this quite hypocritical and a predictor of future intellectual dishonesty from you."
  
  For starters, I don't remember ever reading such a thing. I don't read every comment all the time! Second, is it imperative for everyone to refute every claim they find objectionable? Surely I can find claims by some of the tv peope you watch that you would find objectionable yet I've never heard you refute them. Is that intellectual dishonesty on your part?
  
  "The founding idea of our nation - limited government"
  
  Would this include the right to due process, habeas corpus, and checks and balances? You mention the ideal of freedom and liberty often. Do you find Bush's policies consistent with that ideal? I.e. the power to arrest americans without due process and clear violations of the ideas of limited government?
  
  
  
  

• kelly said on Aug 11, 2007....

  bloc: "Here's a good clip of his inability to have an honest discussion."
  
  
  It's also a good example of his inability to actually interview someone.  No one takes this as a news show or anything like that, do they?

• stopmediabias said on Aug 13, 2007....

  silver-the attorney firings is a non-story to me, AG has been berated by these Democrats and for what?  Firing of people who work for the President.  There is no conspiracy here and everyone knows it.

• silverwhisper said on Aug 13, 2007....

  smb: "and everyone knows it"? you'd do well to avoid such declarations in the future.
  
  ed

• bloc said on Aug 13, 2007....

  @smb
  Let me pose a hypothetical. The president (or his staff) put pressure on a US attorney to bring false charges against a democratic candidate so that they can increase their chances of winning an election. The US attorney refuses, which is the right and legal thing to do, and then he/she gets fired. 
  
  
  This is illegal. I'm not claiming that this is exactly what happened, but you made the claim that the President can fire anyone that works for him for any reason. This simply isn't true.

• stopmediabias said on Aug 14, 2007....

  Silver-sorry, everyone but the liberal media knows it, the Democrats are playing mean-spirited politics here, they know it, Republicans know it. 

  Bloc-when I make a statements like that I'm generally mean within the boundries of the law.  And you guys never say anything when someone brings up Clintons 93 in one day or the fact that Reagan and Carter fired US Attorney's well within their terms.  If the US Attorney's in question were in the midst of case, firing them is not going to change the outcome of the case.  This is a not a story, the Democrats are making it a story.

• silverwhisper said on Aug 14, 2007....

  [chortles heartily]

• bloc said on Aug 14, 2007....

  there was reason to believe that it may not have been within the law. When a situation arises that seems fishy and investigation is required to determine if any wrong doing was actually done (this is what happened). Then during the course of the investigation the AG lied or refused to answer. 
  
  
  It's as simple as that.

• kelly said on Aug 16, 2007....

  "I swear when Bloc and Kelly talk about the Bush Administration you can almost hear the Darth Vader music in the background. "
  
  
  Actually, what you're hearing is the funeral dirge being played for our consitution.

• Daniel68 said on Aug 17, 2007....

  You tell 'em kelly. Cheney wipes his fat ass with the 1st amendment every day, having fantasies of a police state that makes his vile self aroused.
  
  
  

• NewsMan said on Aug 19, 2007....

  Where does this revilement come from?

• kelly said on Aug 19, 2007....

  From reading the news.  More importantly, from watching his actions.

• stopmediabias said on Aug 19, 2007....

  and repressed juvenile tendencies

• bloc said on Aug 19, 2007....

  @newsman
  Many of us that believe in the ideals of america get upset when someone argues that they should be able to detain any american without due process and that they should be able to spy without checks and balances. Those are just two of many examples

• NewsMan said on Aug 19, 2007....

  http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0033-362X%28194224%296%3A4%3C647%3ASTSWAA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-S&access=1&origin=JSTOR-accessOptions

• bloc said on Aug 20, 2007....

  Is that a book recommendation? 

• NewsMan said on Aug 20, 2007....

  absolutely

• bloc said on Aug 20, 2007....

  can you give me a brief summary?

• NewsMan said on Aug 20, 2007....

  bloc -  If you are interested it is a very insightful rational and intelligent scholarly article. I do not think you need me to explicate, simplify or worse yet, give my interpretation of the author(s) work.

• bloc said on Aug 20, 2007....

  I have a giant reading list and it's hard for me to bump something I really want to read for an unkown.

• NewsMan said on Aug 20, 2007....

  I do understand, but sometimes it pays to be adventurous.

• BlueHotRage said on Aug 24, 2007....

  MediaBias:  I did watch the first clip.  Seventeen times.  And just because Oreilly got his ass handed to him doesn't mean that he has to like it...

• stopmediabias said on Aug 24, 2007....

  Dodd made a complete fool out of himself, this website that he is arguing for shouldn't be validated by people who want to some day be president. 

• kelly said on Aug 25, 2007....

  Give me a break, NewsMan. Most of us don't have time to read a book at the mere suggestion of someone else. Here is a link to one synopsis by a reader:
  
  Sabotage! The secret war against America
  
  It was written in 1942. Suffice it to say that apparently it's not the Jews who control the world, it's the Nazis.

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