truthsayer's tags:

The Truth About “satan”

Note:

This is for Sean Renaud (and any friends) who simply aren’t sure if satan exists or not.  This blog is in response to my self proclaimed atheist friend, Sean.  I am posting it here, so that I am meeting the copyright requirements of soulcast:  In this world system, I own this copyright under the name of Truthsayer, August 6th, 2007, (and God owns me, in the Name of His Son, Jesus my Redeemer).

To fully understand this discussion, I suggest that you go to Sean’s blog about Jesus Christ, which sparked this discussion.  Here is the link to that post: http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/75598/Jesus-Christ

Now, finally, here is “The Truth About ‘satan’

Of course satan exists Sean.  Do you have any idea of the personal cost to me, for witnessing to you, or anyone, as I do?  I do it out of love.  A deep abiding love for the lost, on behalf of the Creator, on behalf of the One that was Sent to save those that God has, or will allow to believe a powerful delusion.  When I am able, through my testimony and through the power of the Blood of the Lamb, to snatch one from satan, especially one that he believes he has 'all neatly boxed and wrapped up with a firey bow on top' (my description); he gets really, really angry.

Would you like me to list the attacks I have come under since signing up on soulcast, and being a witness for Jesus Christ?  For Our Father God?  For the Holy Spirit, who thank God, bears witness with me?  Do you think this is easy?  Like a hobby for me or something? 

We ARE in the end times.  You are intrigued by the mystical?  I suppose you mean guys that can lay on a bed of nails and not bleed?  As a test of 'personal' strength?  I wish you were intrigued by the True Mystical.  Are you?

Would you like to fly?  Would you welcome visions?  Visitations?  Or could you handle it?  It would be like nothing you have ever experienced.  The cost is great for such experiences.  You will be refined in the fire.  You will be tested.  Are you man enough for that?  Ironically, by worldly standards; it isn't your machisimo that God is interested in.  Your personal strength, that both you and shiny have spoken of are nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the Power that designed/created and fired up this universe.  Nothing. 

And that is what scares you.  It scares all men.  Women have an inner connection to creation and cycles and what it means to carry a life inside of them, that WILL be born...that they have no control over how it happens, when it happens or how well it goes...but it WILL happen.  If they fight it, they will increase their pain unecessarily.  They can even die...and in the old days, they often did.  They died most often of shock.

So we come back, full circle, to the fear of God being the beginning of all wisdom.  Biblical fear is awe...the feeling you get, if you have ever had it, when you realize Who He Really Is...and that He IS All Powerful and All Knowing.  All your delusions are shattered, thank God, and you know, that you know that you know...but, you also realize that this GREAT BIG HUGE TOTAL POWER HOUSE OF THE UNIVERSE, has not only had MERCY on YOU, little old you...but that He LOVES YOU WITH ALL OF HIS MIGHT....POWER...AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.

All else is foolishness.  Little "g's".  By the way, anyone that puts their 'own truth' as shiny puts it, before all else, is an idolator.  That's what The Good Book says.  The Only Good Book.  The book that has been most printed, most distributed and most read:  The Holy Bible.

So yeah guys.  We are in the end times.  I never know how long I will be here.  In this geographical location, on soulcast, or on the planet.  Sound dramatic?  It is.  This is the universe in all of 'his' glory Sean.  We have created...no, let's call a spade a spade:  We humans have systematic destroyed and degraded what was once a perfect system, and lo and behold; Who do we blame for it?  God.  God didn't bring all these disasters upon us, we did.  Humans have been following after satan and his plan for a very long time now...under the guise of "personal power, personal strength", etc.

Oh yeah Sean, he exists, you and shiny and a host of others...and myself, and others on this end of the spectrum; are perfect examples of his handiwork.  But he hates you.  He hates me.  He hates everyone.  He hates God most of all...and he let's him know it every second of every day.

Those silky smooth enticing words about "your" personal power...in the intellectual world (idolatry too), in the crazy world (scientology, unitarian, bahai, etc.), and in the occult/new age ("you" are god, spirit guides, witchcraft and all rebellion is the same spirit...the same spirit you aren't convinced exists)...yep, those silky smooth enticing words are the exact same words he tempted Eve with.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  It seems to work so well.  Until The Truth comes around telling you about God's Mercy...and awakening you to His Perfect Love, His Perfect Plan...then things can get a little dicey.  Just a little stone like me can make infinite ripples in the universal pond. 

WAKE UP

You wanna know what he looks like?  In which form would you like your description to be?  His supernatural form?  Or the one he walks the streets in?  Do you think I could ever be the kind of person that sits on the sidelines and takes it easy?  I can't.  I am not made that way.  But man, oh man, was life easier before it all became clear to me.  I am such a threat to his perceived domain, that I have become a target for satan.  I know when I am a threat and when I am not.  I also know what he has sent to deter me...and, as you might have noticed, I have almost given in to that...several times in the past few months. 

This present world isn't what you think it is Sean.  But don't just take my word for it; go ask your Dad.  But this time, really listen.  You are fighting the wrong fight man.

In Perfect Love

In MERCY AND TRUTH

Your friend,

truthsayer



del.icio.us Digg reddit StumbleUpon

Comments

  • Suddenrain said on Aug 07, 2007....

    ((((((((((Hugggggggggssssss))))))))))) What a fantastic post Truth!!!!! I loved every single word!! You said what I've known and thought for soooo long!!! I am blown away! Thank you so much!! You have confirmed a couple things for me. Love and blessings to you and yours whole heartedly!!  :-D

  • fearing said on Aug 07, 2007....
    Ditto Sudden - fantastic post.  I don't know about you but it gives me the shivers even thinking about daring Satan to reveal himself.  I've seen enough and know enough not to dare that one.  Seems like a toddler daring Hitler to a game of show and tell. 
    (No disrespect Sean - just being honest).
  • muckpar said on Aug 11, 2007....
          truthsayer:  I have been a born again believer for 52 years, that was the most beautiful piece of Christian writing I have ever read, apart, from God's own word.
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Thank you Suddenrain.  It is true.  Life is strange here on Terra ; )  And it will be this way until His return.  The Lion of Judah is coming to clean house and keep it clean : )  I just want to keep my own house as clean as I can in the meantime : )
     
    Love and blessings to you as well.
     
    Your friend in Christ,
     
    truthsayer
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Thank you too fearing.  Your name is appropriate...not because you live in fear of men or the things of this world...but because you know the only One that is deserving of our 'fear' and AWE.
     
    No, we mustn't tempt the devil...but we mustn't stay quiet and passive in fear of him either.  If I am persecuted for Christ by that fox and all of his little foxes, then I count it all blessing.  I must put on my armor everyday though...and that is what I am presently learning now.  Sometimes, I forget a piece...or I allow a gap, or a breech in my walls...and that simply cannot happen anymore. 
     
    Bless you dear,
     
    truthsayer 
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    lucky13, greetings!  I have a brother that is a feminist (go figure) and drives around with a bumper sticker that says:  Proud To Be A Pagan.  He doesn't believe in Jesus and thinks Christianity is the ultimate hoax played on humanity...although he doesn't even believe in the One that the controversy surrounds... ; P Anyway, he DOES believe in aliens.  He would be one of those dummies in the movie Independence Day that stands outside partying and wanting to be "taken aboard" the UFO's...dancing and singing on the rooftops with the "stupid signs" on their heads like targets for the alien laser blasters ; )
     
    He says, "they would have to be good, they are smarter."  However, he doesn't seem to apply that to our relationship ; ) 
     
    Blessings 2 u,
     
    truthsayer 
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    My dear muckpar.  That was, without a doubt, the finest and most humbling comment I have ever had.  I am so glad that you made the post gathering Christians together in support of one another.  It is easy to feel like Elijah did, isn't it?  Well, you are not alone in having 'not bended the knee to Baal, " my friend. 
     
    I am so glad that we are really getting to know one another now. 
     
    May His peace and His bounty rest gently upon you all the days of your life muckpar.
     
    Love in Christ,
     
    truthsayer
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 16, 2007....

     You need to wake up "Truthsayer"! 

    There is no truth in your words, simply quotes from an irrelevant mythological lifestyle that is based on fiction, inconsistency and miss-leading hypocritical texts.

    You have never met god, you have never met the devil you have never been helped by god and you have never been attacked by the devil you have simply suffered ups and downs in your life. Your blind faith is what you believe has helped you but in reality, people go through bad times and they survive without the word of god etc. Your very arrogant claim that what you say is true and factual in fact doesn’t contain a single shred of evidence or fact and therefore is ridiculous.

    Jesus is a story regurgitated by Christians even though it is the same story of Horus, whose story existed in about 3000bc a long time before Jesus was even dreamt up by those Christians that plagiarised the Jewish religion. Wake up people!

    If you are intelligent and have life experience then guide them but don’t guide them using the made up story of a myth. Use common sense and fact. In the long run it is much more useful.

    This might surprise you but non-believers lead perfectly "normal" lives and go through life’s ups and downs with the same amount of pain and joy as believers do. "God" does not favour the believers anymore than anyone else. You are simply hoping that he exists so that the sacrifice you have made by believing in a mythology will get you into heaven. I think you will be very very disappointed.

    SG
  • fearing said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Hey Truth, I was sitting here thinking about the verse Phil. 2:10 and that led me to Is.45:20 - 23.  I especially like verses 22 and 23.  I wonder about this and the time it will come.
    Felt like sharing this morning.....  
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 16, 2007....
    Watch the video guys and girls. It may broaden your knowledge on religion.
     
    SG
  • truthsayer said on Aug 16, 2007....

    Hi SG.  I had to delete that, because it wouldn't load...what did it say?  Something about Mithra?  Is that from the Rosicrucian museum in San Jose?

    I can't use uTube.  I only have dial up and it get's really clogged up with this program we use to try to speed things up.

    You'll have to do like bloc does and find a link to an article that I can read instead. 

    Sorry. 

    I am awake man.  I have studied comparative religions.  I have a unique perspective just like you do StupidG.  Why does that bother you so?

    Anyway, thanks for commenting. 

    Take care,

    truth

  • truthsayer said on Aug 16, 2007....
    fearing, you may have provided my Bible study for the day ; )
     
    I gotta run.  I'll post more after I read the verses.
     
    In Him With You,
     
    truth
  • truthsayer said on Aug 19, 2007....
    SG, I know how frustrating this must be for you.  I cannot make it more clear for you.  I have dial up man.  I did my best to make this clear to you.  I cannot watch you  tube at all.  I am not going to "try it" again.  In fact, I am going to delete it.  I got a computer virus from either someone on soulcast, or one other location on the web.  I interact with some pretty machiavellian folks at times.  I am not taking any chances again.  Ok? 
     
    So, do you understand now?  If you want me to read something though...as I said clearly before...then I provide a link to a web page and I will read it, and give you feedback, if it is anything new.  You aren't telling me anything with this mythology stuff that I didn't already know though.  As I have also clearly explained to you.
     
    Yet you persist in thinking that this is new information man.  It isn't.  I am getting pretty tired of your "avoidance issues" when it comes to any interacting with you on a meaningful level.  Your ability to ignore the things you do not want to perceive is truly uncanny.  It is called, in communication terms, selective preception.
     
    Everyone has it, everyone does it...but this is extreme buddy.  It is like you don't pay any attention at all, to anyone that isn't on the same page of your personal life story that you are on.  You are dealing with some pretty stiff dogma dude.  I cannot get in, you know?
     
    By the way, in regard to your arrogance at telling me what I have seen in life and what I have not seen?  I know how unsafe it must make you feel to entertain, even for a moment, that there is more in the world than you can see.  I don't care if you believe in my experiences or not.  Chances are, you cannot learn from the experiences of others.  You might be one of those guys that has to stick his hand into the fire to believe it's hot ; )  Maybe that's just the way you are made, or have become.  It isn't a big deal to me, if you don't believe me. 
     
    In fact, I am smiling as I write this...but think about it dude...do you really think I am going to believe you, your perceptions, and your experience over my own???  C'mon.  Don't try to pull a JR Ewing on me.  When he said to his poor mentally battered wife:  "Now who are you going to believe Sue Ellen?  Me? Or your lyin' eyes?"  I know what I know, whether you are capable, or willing of understanding it or not. 
     
    Get over it.  Actually, get over yourself StupidGenius.  Your name, at least half of it, is based on 'a genie, or a spirit' of a certain type of knowledge, being supernaturally attatched to, or resident upon a certain area.  Maybe that is why you cannot venture out of your element.  I don't know. 
     
    Regardless, I hope you find what you are looking for.  I say that in all sincerity; and I have said it several times now.  Take care of yourself, your wife and your baby that is on the way.  They are going to need you. 
     
    C'ya around.   
     
     
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 19, 2007....
    :-o wow. Amen
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 20, 2007....

    You don’t get a computer virus from a youtube video, I think maybe the topic of the video was the reason you deleted it or as yiou stated, you got it from a freind.

    You have never once explained the similarity between the story of Jesus and Horus (not to mention Mythra and many many others)

    I never claimed it was new information, not once.

    It is your own "Selective Perception" that tells you that the story of both Horus and Mythra are mythology while the story of Jesus is true when their is overwhelming evidence that is merely a copy.

    Are you really going to start on my name? That is very immature, maybe that is an indicator of your intelligence. Maybe I should treat you slightly different from the others who hold the bible above their heads and claim it to be the word of god. This way you may better understand my points.

    Do you not see that to assume that your faith is the right one is merely arrogant, to claim you have a personal relationship with god is merely arrogant and to claim that the bible is truth is plain ignorant.

    I am not concerned If this comment is deleted as you have deleted many of them before. I have made a copy of it so can repost under another name if banned.

    Simply know this, You can believe what you want but in a discussion on this subject do not think for a moment that you can write something that will remain unchallenged, do not think that because you have been told it, it is true, do not think that because the you believe it, it is true.

    I have done my own research based on fact, evidence and also have read the bible; the picture in my mind is in no way selective. It is people like you who will not even consider other possibilities enough to research them that has limited or selective perception.

    Don’t write something on SoulCast stating that it is fact if you don’t know what you’re talking about. Reply to this comment or delete it, either way, you won’t remain unchallenged intellectually on SoulCast so I would prefer a reply.

    SG 

  • Suddenrain said on Aug 20, 2007....
    How do you know it isn't fact SG?
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 20, 2007....

    How do we define fact?

    The consistent testing using varied tools and measures over extended periods of time until you reach a result that indicates the factual result.

    The devil cant be proven, it cant be tested, he existed in some form or idol in the earliest of religions but the only reason he did was because when bad stuff happened i.e. storms, floods, famine etc the people of the time didn’t understand the reason for it happening.

    eg....

    The sun = Good (brings food, helps to grow crops etc)

    The moon = Bad (is only visible at night, night restricts your vision, does not help you grow anything and is of no use)

    So above is a simple example of good and evil, in earliest times evil was related to nighttime and good was related to the sun. Christians simply elaborated on the idea and made him a scarier figure, the reason they did this was to frighten people into thinking that if they did not believe in god then the devil would get them.

    There is no fact to prove the devils existence; no one has ever met the devil. He does not exist. Simple as that my friend.
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 20, 2007....
    Is that a fact?
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 20, 2007....
    Yes
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 20, 2007....
    Has anyone ever met God?
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 21, 2007....
    No
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 21, 2007....
    Then how do you explain the NDEs who swear they have? Theres to many to discount. And how can you believe what you read discounting Jesus or the devil exists if you've never met the person who wrote it?
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 22, 2007....
    NDE's are simply yet another example of someone attributing events which they dont understand to "god" doing it.
     
    Science can explain the reason wee dream and the brain is an amazing organ which can induce delusion for many many reasons.
     
    It is not possible to meet the person who wrote about god because their was not just one person their were loads, they didnt just write about it, they re-wrote parts, edited others and manipulated it to their own advantage.
     
    The christian faith (I assume that is what we are discussing) has no evidence supporting any of it claims. Therefore until it is proven it is a flimsey theory with no factual basis for it to be tested. It is ok for you to live in blissfull ignorance but gradualy more people each day realise that it is full of contradictions and unworkable logic and then simply dismiss it as an indication of where we all come from.
     
    He does not exists, prove it if you can.
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 22, 2007....
    How bout you prove He doesn't.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 22, 2007....
    I dont need to, you are the ones who say he is real with no evidence. Its the same throughout the world, if you make a claim then you should back it up. All I need do is point out that your claim has no evidence therefore, if you have no evidence then it is not even a theory because you have no basis for an argument other than "I think he is real". That is not an argument.
     
    Sir Isac Newton didnt say "Hmmm I think there might be gravity, oh well I think its real so Ill just go and tell everyone it is"
     
    He did tests on his theory, proved it to be a fact and then wrote it as a statement.
     
    Follow the same process for the devil and I may think twice about what I say on the subject.
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 22, 2007....
    There are many scholars who have studied the bible and come up with proof here and there that things in the bible are true. You choose to believe what people write as fact, why can't I?
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 22, 2007....
    Name them please suddenrain
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 22, 2007....
    Even if I gave you their names it wouldn't make a difference SG. You'd find a way to discredit them as I would about whoever you came up with. You obviously have no idea who I'm talking about which tells me you havn't even looked into the possibility you may be wrong. I have. But I like my odds better than yours. You are entitled to your oppinion as I am to mine. The difference is...I don't knock yours.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 23, 2007....
    Name them, dont dodge the issue. You think you can enlighten me then go ahead.
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 23, 2007....
    I'm not dodging the issue and you're not going to gode me into an argument. If you really wanted to know the answers you'd look them up wouldn't you? You won't change my mind, I won't change yours. You are set in your oppinion. I don't have the time to look them up and type it all out as I have other posts to comment on and posts of my own. I feel you are just looking to debate because you are bored. And I don't think I can enlighten you. I believe you are where you are because you choose to be. As am I. Soooo if my head is in the sand as you say, then I'll look for shells, the little treasures of life. :-) I wish you well.
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 23, 2007....
    So simply put... you are dodging the issue. You only had to say that. I dont need to goed you into anything. You choose to believe what you want. If it makes you feel safer then thats your business. The holes you speak of do not exist so dont make a statement unless you can back it up.
     
    This will be my last post on this blog. Having a conversation with you sudden is like talking to a 5 year old.
     
    SG
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 23, 2007....
    LoL ok
  • StupidGenius said on Aug 23, 2007....
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 23, 2007....
    Knew you'd be back. :-)
  • fearing said on Aug 23, 2007....
    Hi Stupid.
    Hi Sudden.
    I don't mean to butt in here but I talk to 5 year olds all day long at work.  Sudden, your arguments are waaaaay better than a 5 year old.  ;-)
  • lidstrom82 said on Aug 28, 2007....
    Hey Sudden, you just did the coolest thing I've seen today (though you did it days ago)...taking a blunt, closeminded argument and refusing to get dragged in to it. You're right - SG would find proof if he looked in the right places, but his worldview rules it out. He puts Christians to the test, and although he claims we must prove it, I think you recognized that his idea of proof is scientific, testable data. And you can't put God in a lab. What SG must understand is that if anyone wants to have proof of God, it must be on God's terms - humbly asking Him to be real in your life.  No amount of archaeology, historical evidence, or extraordinary phenomena will change SG's mind - his life must personally be touched by God, and if he refuses to consider that possibility, the Bible will remain a closed book to him. By his own decision, he had eliminated the idea of God working in his life.

    So Suddenrain, that's incredible. You handled disrespect very well.
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 29, 2007....
    Thank you Lidstrom, a tree is known by it's fruits. :-)
  • truthsayer said on Sep 04, 2007....

    Wow, it looks like I was on my little sabbatical for longer than I thought.  Hi Suddenrain, fearing and Lidstrom82...and of course, howdy to SG too.

    I am sorry it took me so long to get back to you all.  I sure do appreciate the back up Sudden, fearing and Lidstrom.  I really do.  It isn't always easy choosing grace.  Often, I have wondered how to rejeuvenate, as Jesus so clearly did.  I think I am closer to finding that out.  I never realized how draining negativity can be, even if it is just on the Internet. 

    Bless you friends.  Bless you.

    Truthsayer

  • lidstrom82 said on Sep 04, 2007....
    Yes, negativity is like a disease sometimes. I think overflowing it with the grace of God, overcoming evil with good, is the best way to go. Following what God says about straying away from coarse language and accusations, and loving friend and enemy alike, along with reading the Bible, gives us a cushion against negativity. I hope your journey to rejuvenation is a short one, truth!
  • Suddenrain said on Sep 04, 2007....
    Oh, I am not so perfect. There are other posts where I've shot someone with both barrels. It depends on the conversation and the intelligence involved. Cops can piss me off. But anyone else I can pretty much handle although Cam riled me in the beginning. Cops is just an irritating child and acts stupid so I treat him as he treats others. Cam I confront and trade barbs cause I see what he is doing. He plays games out of boredom. I react according to what I see in the person.  Welcome home Truth.  :-)
  • philipharris said on Dec 14, 2007....

    SATAN IS A MYTH PERPETUATED BY RELIGIOUS FANATICS TO SCARE CHILDREN-DO SOME RESEARCH!!!

    GOD, NOT A HE, DOES NOT WANT

    DO YOU FEAR YOUR PARENTS? DO YOU THINK GOD WANTS YOU TO BE AFRAID?

    TIME TO DE-PROGRAM!!!

  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 14, 2007....
    For your convenience, the "Caps Lock" key is located between "Tab" and "Shift" on most standard computer keyboards. Perhaps most useful is that the key can deactivate all caps with a second press of the button.
    All joking aside, it makes common sense that acknowledging God, Satan, or any other unseen, powerful, spiritual being, means that we lose comfort and control over our lives. If you knew such beings were in your presence, influencing you and intervening in your life, wouldn't part of you just rather pull the wool over your eyes and ignore the possibility?
    philip, humanity has enough trouble understanding God...the only thing more controversial than an unseen evil power is an unseen GOOD power. I mean, if I were Satan, I'd spend all my time blaming God and making humanity think I don't exist...or that I'm a cute little guy with a spaded tail, horns, and a pitchfork, which makes for a great fallback Halloween costume.
    I would contend that God and Satan do indeed exist, and that if Satan convinces any significant number of people that he's not real, then they won't have a clue as to how he has affected their lives. We think we live our lives for ourselves and exactly how we want to, but we might as well be jacked into the Matrix - hooked into an illusion that we have complete control over our lives.
    Philip, I definitely agree that God does NOT want us to be afraid. But He tells us repeatedly in the Bible that Satan is real, and it's only because Jesus offers us salvation that we don't have to be scared pantsless of the devil.
    The implications of it are enormous - if someone doesn't believe in God, Jesus, or Satan, and yet all three exist as the Bible claims, then that person is completely oblivious to the three most influential beings in all of human history. Talk about missing the boat.
  • philipharris said on Dec 14, 2007....

    I truly believe in God. No matter where you go, God is!

    I do not believe in a God that creates evil and torures its creation and then offers salvation if you bow down and worship-but if you don't-look out-even your own parents are not that evil.

    You ofer but one version of God and one that is poorly interpreted at that. It is typical of religion to say that the reason you do not believe in satan or evil is becuase you are being influenced by satan and evil. Sorry, that does not fly. My God is pure love and does not tempt, cajole, torture or condemn. Are there positive and negative energies in the Universe? Yes, but they are not good and evil-down is not evil and up is not good-but you cannot have one without the other.

    If your God created a satan then I question its motives and so called goodness-since God is in all and is all then by your definition God is in Satan.

    You use a concept of satan to to get you off the hook and avoid being responsible for your actions-oh, the devil made me do it-oh, we are all born in sin-oh, satan causes wars, poverty, bigotry, hatred, greed, etc-NO, people cause those things.

    If you ghet people to fear some mythical devil then you keep them going to your churches and giving you money-you kill in the name of God because your enemy is EVIL-BS!

    If I were your God I'd spend all my time blaming the screw ups on satan.

    Your only reference is the bible-sorry-there are other beliefs and other sacred texts and most of what can quote has been changed by the Church to meet its own needs and self glorification.

    Maybe you don't control your life, but I do. You continue to perpetuat the myth and so you continue to create a world of us vs. them. At least my boat is sailing-your is docked at the port of the Inquisition-but I send you my blessings in the hope that the light of God will open your heart.

    "Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be done unto thee."

    What you believe you have created and the picture is not very pretty or loving.

     

  • fearing said on Dec 14, 2007....
    Lidstrom - You are awesome!  Great answer and good to see you too!  I hope Truth comes back soon.

    @Phillip, I saw your comment earlier and I apologize for not commenting.  I'm not one who likes to debate.  I realize this isn't my post but Truth is my friend and don't think would mind. 
    My research of the Bible says Satan is real.  ;-) 

  • philipharris said on Dec 14, 2007....

    Yup, it's in the bible so it must be true. before you offer such comments please research the origin of the term. And what of other religions that do not believe in Satan-oh, yes-they must be evil-let's have a crusade-oh, wait-we did that. Hmmm-guess you didn't get them all.

    Have you ever heard of metaphors? Are you one of them that take everytghing at face value? Didn't Jesus speak in parables and yell at the disciples because they did not get it? If you believe in evil, then you bring evil into the world-God told me that!

    "...for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men." Woe unto you!

    Do you forgive everyone-do you turn the other cheek-do you not condemn and do not judge as you have been commanded? Do you shout your religion from the rooftop, or in silence from the heart? Have you sold all that you own? marched for peace-given your church over to the poor and homeless? Turned over the tables of the money changers? Do you love ALL as you love yourself?

  • fearing said on Dec 14, 2007....
    Wow Phillip, why don't you tell me what you really think?
    Will anything I say change your mind?  I doubt it.  Will anything I say change yours?  No?  Then why debate?  Truth is, I'm not very good at it.  You on the other hand obviously enjoy it.  lol.
    My belief is the Bible is the Word of God. 
    Me?  Well, I do tend to take things at face value.  Some see that as a weakness.  I kind of like it.  It keeps me a bit naive and innocent in my old age.  I try to turn the other cheek.  I sometimes condemn others.  I don't shout my beliefs from the rooftop and sometimes my heart is silent.  I haven't sold all that I own.  I know I haven't marched for peace.  Not sure how many homeless or poor there are in my church.  Didn't see any money changers and if I did, I don't know what I'd do.  I sure I'm not good enough to love ALL as myself.  BUT I don't believe those things to be the point.  I'm human and I can't be all those things.  I can try but I fail.  I'm not perfect but I'm sure glad Someone else is! 



  • philipharris said on Dec 14, 2007....

    Yes, you are perfect! All that the Universe, God made is perfect! If you argue for your limitations, they are truly yours. Henry Ford said, "Whether you say you can or you can't, you are always right." That is what is meant by "as thou hast believed, so it be unto thee." God said you create your reality! It is in the bible!

    You did shout this post from the roof top-you wanted everyone to agree with you. Hey, I am the same way-with one exception-if you disagree-I bless you anyway-no condemnation-no blaming the devil.

    I am just trying to get you to understand that there are other points of view and using the bible I can argue the opposite of what you say-that is okay-it is through dialogue that some sense of truth emerges-truth does not flow only from pulpits-they are just men and woman offering their point of view. But other points of view are just as valid.

    The Universe, God, still speaks-"God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

    Why write an article if you do not want to debate? Examine your motives. I am sure until my posts came along you were enjoying the praises. And that is okay-feeling good is part of what life is about. Learning and exploring is what life is about-it never ends. If I am wrong for you-that is okay-but it at least gave you pause-you had to tjhink-not is my goal-to get people to think and not just recite dogma without really thinking about what they are saying.

    I have written numerous books, WAKING GOD, JESUS TAUGHT IT, TOO: THE EARLY ROOTS OF THE LAW OF ATTRACTION and more. The beauty of life is that we should be able to exhange how we feel and what we think-it is time to end the crusades!

    Merry Christmas-and to all a good night!

  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Meh phillip, I think you've met a few too many wonky Christians, because what you're perceiving of me is not what I was saying. I'll say it once: God is not to be blamed if He creates angels and humans to share His creation and love with, gives them the gift of free will, and then those creations throw it back in His face. That's exactly what happened, whether we're talking about Satan or St. Peter. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The only thing that fixes that is Jesus Christ. "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only begotten son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." Sounds like a loving God to me. Man phillip, I hear enough talking but not enough listening. If my view is so judgmental and wrong, why is it you using caps lock and not me? Because I don't have to shout to prove the truth. You'll see it someday for yourself. In the meantime, you'd do better to ask what I meant than to assume I think you're screwed and destined for a lake of fire. On the contrary, I appreciate that you think for yourself and speak your mind.
  • fearing said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Phillip, first - I think you misunderstood - I didn't write this article.  My friend Truthsayer did.  I couldn't even shadow the talent that person has.  I write the articles on my blog because I like to write.  No deeper motive than that - face value remember?  I don't like to argue and refuse to debate.  I don't have the heart for it.  My gifts are in other things.  You should know I respect another's opinion because I want my opinion respected.  We don't have to have the same ideas to be friends.  What a boring place this would be if we did.  Besides, we all have the free will Lidstrom was talking about. 

    My comment on condemning others was a little tongue in cheek to point out I wasn't perfect.  I wasn't condemning you because we disagree. 

    I hate to break it to you - I am not perfect.....on my own.  I am made perfect through Jesus Christ.  That is what God told me.  If I were perfect or could be perfect, Jesus died in vain. 

    Thanks for sharing the title to your books. 
  • philipharris said on Dec 15, 2007....

    Well , if God is all knowing then She knew what would happen and went ahead and did it any way-that is saddistic.

    What real God would create things just to serve it and bow down to it-hmm-sounds like a dictator with a sick sense of humor.

    jesus gave a new message that most of you do not want to hear-he talks of a God of love-no condemnation-no judgement-forgive for ever-peace-the kingdom is within-you create your own reality-He never said I came here to save your sorry ass-he came to give you some basic truths-as did other avatars-that the dogma you have bought into is garbage-yup, he died in vain if you do not understand what he said.

    You just want to be let off the hook-I can do what I want but at some appointed moment I will be born again and all of the errors of my terrible life will just go away-nice and neat-no resposibility for your actions-if you are made perfect through Jesus then let's see if you can do what he says you can do-He said that his real followers would do what he did and more-if you cannot do those things then I hate to break it to you-the Lake has a place for you and every other person you likes to spout off religious platitudes while the world goes to pot.

    Actually, show me one person who can do as jesus did-alive-not some historical text-even the fraggin POPE does not go around healing the sick and turning water into wine-so basically-none of you meet your version of his expectations so guess what-according to your dogma-you are doomed-I wonder where that 144, 000 might be?

    I have been in the Lake of Fire and it is very purifying-if you would look deeper you might understand what it really means.

    God told me something different-who is right? Guess won't know did the fat lady sings!

  • fearing said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Thanks for your insight Phillip.
    Nice talking to you. 
  • philipharris said on Dec 15, 2007....

    May peace be with you! You said you do not want a boring world!

    Merry Christmas-truly!

  • fearing said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Thank you.  I don't think my world has ever been boring.  :-)

    And Merry Christmas to you!
  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Philip, I think if you read the book of Revelation closely, you'd see that your understanding of Christianity is lacking. I say this because:

    1) the figure of 144,000 is not representative of all those who will make it into heaven. Revelation speaks of a number too great to count, from all nations.

    2) If God was truly sadistic, you wouldn't be here. None of us would. And it is a testament to how sadistic and wicked HUMANITY was that only Noah and his family survived the Flood. If God took pleasure in people's pain, he would have capsized Noah's Ark and put the screws to humanity. But He didn't. Again, if He had, you wouldn't be here.

    3) Jesus was perfect and paid the price for our crappiness so that we wouldn't have to. Even one sin deserves the punishment of death, but Jesus changed the rules. Why? Because God made it so for His Son to live as a man and rewrite history. Doesn't sound like a mean God to me. Where we're at is that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, accepts God's love, obeys what He asks of us, and lovingly tells others of that good news, enjoys the knowledge that even though we screw up, we wish to be more like God. You can't take advantage of God and we can't be lazy without being called out on it.

    4) God gave us free will, which you could be more thankful for, since without it you'd have no position to say anything about him. You'd be a robot. I'm sure you enjoy your independent thought - the irony is that anyone who rejects the God of the Bible still owes their life - and their right to make a choice - to God anyways.

    5) People are healed and restored by God's power - the sad thing is that those of us in industrialized nations often don't see it for many reasons: one, we have hospitals (an institution founded by Christians, by the way) and medical research, so we don't see the miraculous as often. Two, the real healing is happening with God's people going to third world countries and healing them. Three, people prophesy and speak in tongues in churches all over the world - someone a nonchristian is ignorant of because, well, they don't attend church in the first place. And four - God's power DOES occur around us all the time, but since it cannot be explained scientifically, medically, rationally, etc., it's not exactly credible front page news. Think of the end of the movie "Elf" - hundreds of witnesses realized Santa was real, but the group at large who wasn't there could only hear the newsman conclude "I guess we'll never know what really happened in Central Park this Christmas Eve." It's the same thing with God. We can make conjectures and educated opinions, but if you don't put yourself in a position to understand God, you're not only going to miss out on believing in and being part of the miraculous, you're going to render it a moot point, or even conclude He's not real (and sound pretty silly to Christians in the process, with only half-informed biblical references).

    And I assure everyone reading, no one on earth has experienced the Lake of Fire I'm referring to.

    Lastly, for someone to knowingly reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the true story of the Son of God being the savior of mankind and the center of a personal faith that is life-giving and loving toward God, others, and ourselves....to reject that either means you don't know the whole story, or your heart has become embittered to the point where you can't accept that anything lasts forever, that forgiveness of your mistakes can exist, or that anyone can freely love you.

    But that's what makes Christmas such a great reminder - that the birth of Christ signifies that none of us are beyond having our stains washed away. Some would say that's convenient - but they don't know what they're talking about: in order to be forgiven, you must genuinely WANT to turn away from the mistakes you made. And God can tell the difference between who wants a redeemed life and who merely wants a "get out of hell free" card. Even tons of Christians have asked for the latter in their lives from time to time, but it's a testament to God's love that none of us were killed where we stood when we tried to ask for selfish things.

    I say, bless God for loving us and giving us a reason to celebrate, thank Him for the birth of Christ, and may the over 90% of Americans who claim to believe in God know Him better.
  • philipharris said on Dec 15, 2007....

    How does it feel to know it all? Only you are right? I think not ! Yup, do what you want and let jesus wipe the slate clean-no wonder the world is screwed up All you do is quote the bible and that is your only source of information. You have no idea what Lakes I have been in. I guess eveyone who has a different faith goes to hell? Eveyone not a christian burns! You can have that god. Noah-good grief-you understand nothing in the bible. When my new book comes out, DE-PROGRAMMING DOGMA-you should read it-your dogma overfloweth.

    Oh, can you do all the things that jesus did? If not then, since you shall know them by their deeds-then you have a ways to go.

  • Suddenrain said on Dec 15, 2007....
    We are all allowed our own beliefs. No one can say that any belief or religion is wrong as long as it involves Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord. What is the fussing about? How to interpret the bible? Each persons interpretation would be different had they read it themselves. You can not force your views down someone elses throat. They will only spit it back up with distaste. Each must see it for himself and decide. Stop bickering and just accept the fact we have individual relationships with God and He understands each mind.
  • truthsayer said on Dec 15, 2007....

    Good to see you Suddenrain.  Long time no see. 

    Nice to see you too Lidstrom, Fearing and welcome phillipharris

    Unfortunately, under the circumstances, this debate or discussion, didn't seem to have much of a foundation other than phillip doesn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God, or the devil, or, presumabely, in the Holy Spirit.  So, that is where it certainly could have ended...but Lidstrom lovingly hoped that phillipharris would also discuss his/her beliefs lovingly. 

    Sorry man, but you do sound very angry and pretty darn dogmatic as well, phillip...you don't sound very loving...except that you did wish some people a Merry Christmas.  You did sound sincere in that well wish...you were sincere in that, right?  I hope you weren't being sarcastic.  I do tend to believe the best in others, unless, or until I am shown otherwise.  Lidstrom, Fearing, Suddenrain and I really do want the best for you too.

    My friend Sudden...there are many things that glitter...but all is not gold.  It is worth discussing if you love people.  Wide is the path/narrow is the gate, and all that...you know?  There will be many that He will say that He never knew...and I wouldn't want anyone that I interact with, to be in that group; and I know you wouldn't either.

    Lidstrom...smashing read, thank you, by the way!

    Fearing, I am truly proud of you!  Sounds great to me!

    phillipharris, are you a christian scientist perhaps?  I spent quite a few hours discussing just these kinds of things with them.  I also used to go to a bahai group when I was a teenager.  Is it possible that you are a bahai?  I won't be offended in the least if you do not believe as I do.  I don't even mind that you called me a looney or mocked me or my faith as you did in SeanRenaud's blog...or in here for that matter.  I pray that you will know me by my fruit as well.  Rest assured, I am personal friends with Jesus, and I have already put in a Good Word for you.  : ) 

    Seriously though phillip...(because you didn't seem to like it when Fearing joked around with you...but you should be advised that Christians can be a bit snarky too ; )  And please understand that we know the Creator of humor too ; ) if you ever want to have a respectful discussion (I hate debates...all those silly rules and people taking sides whether they truly believe in them or not : () I will be available again some time after the first of the year.  I have other business and real life things going on, and simply can't spend time on SoulCast much these days.  But I will be back around then.

    But, welcome to SoulCast...and thanks to SoulCast too!  For apparently using my blog as a feature in the newsletter.  That's how I heard that the discussion was ON in here again.  I heard it through the beautiful informal grapevine that grows for caring soulcasters, with deep roots, right here in SoulCast.

    Love, love, love to all; and a very Merry Christmas to each of you.

    Truthsayer

     

  • RollingC said on Dec 15, 2007....
    Merry Christmas Truth..... May you and yours have a wonderful Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year.
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Dec 15, 2007....

    Sorry man...I see that there is only one "l" in your nickname.  I did google the name "Philip Harris", and although I found your blog, I didn't see a name of your published novel.  You should get good readership here.  Controversy works well in SC. 

    Now...gotta get off here for a while.  I'll try to check back once more tonight.  By the way, what is the name of your published novel philipharris?  I'd like to look it up tonight, if I have time.

    Love y'all.

    Truthsayer

     

  • truthsayer said on Dec 15, 2007....

    RollingC!!!  It is so good to see you.  I hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas as well.  I won't be on here much for a while yet, but you had better still be on soulcast when I can be on here more regularly.  I mean, what would SC be without RollingC?  God bless you.  Hey, pm me and let me know how your little family is.  I keep you all in my prayers. 

    Love, a crackling fire in the fireplace and a mug of slightly-spiked-egg-nogg to all of you this fine winter's eve.

    Truthsayer : )

  • fearing said on Dec 15, 2007....
    My friend Truth!  I have missed you sooooo much - really I have!  And you couldn't have shown up at a better time.  I have been .....wo....concerned for you.  :-) 
  • fearing said on Dec 15, 2007....

    Arrrgh!  SC ate half my reply!!!!!  Now I'm addled.......well, glad you are back Truth!  You'll do better at this than I will - you have a caring heart and strong voice.

  • philipharris said on Dec 16, 2007....

    Sorry Gang-had to do some things last night.

    Truthsayer and to anyone else that is interested.

    If you Google my name about 1/2 of the first 20 entries is me and much more appears later. The best bet is to go to my literary works site

    http://dickens111.tripod.com/theliteraryworksofphilipharris

    or you can go to www.wakinggod.com , or http://philipharris.blogspot.com or check the American Chronicle where I am a syndicated writer.

    In a very brief nutshell:

    call it righteous indignation-when someone says this is truth about something and only quotes the Bible to substantiate that statement-I get a little indignant-hell, remember the money changers?

    I am not a Christian Scientist-I am not Christian in your sense of the word.

    I believe in an all loving, ever present divine intelligence that is everything and is in everything and exprersses itself through all that is

    I do not beleive in evil-there are positive and negative forces-but an electron is not evil because it has a negative charge-if there was evil, then the Universe created it and I do not buy that

    I belive that Jesus was one of the greatest masters that taught truth about the Universe-but there are others-and I believe that we all have a Christ conscious within and that is what Jesus was trying to tell us

    I believe that man is evolving to a higher expression of godhood-"Did I not say ye are gods."

    I believe that organized religions messed up the message and that it has become self-serving and devoid of truth and validity-it has become a negative force in the world

    We can debate interpretations until the cows come home but I have found that those who can only see to use their version of the bible as the sole source of truth merely do not want to really see another point of view-there is great truth in Buddhism, Hinduism, Native American spirituality, etc....

    I could go on but ...

    I have 4 published books and two more coming out in January

    WAKING GOD

    JESUS TAUGHT IT, TOO: THE EARLY ROOTS OF THE LAW OF ATTRACTION

    A MAINE CHRISTMAS CAROL

    RAPING LOUISIANA: A DIARY OF DECEIT

    Coming in January are two books called MESSAGES: AN ERA OF TRANSFORMATION

    WAKING GOD II: THE SACRED ROTA is being edited and I am writingDE-PROGRAMMING DOGMABREAKING THE THOUGHTS THAT BIND and THE DIVINITY OF MAN

    You can here some of my thought on Monday nights at 8pmEST on my shoe, ALLTHINGS THAT MATTER on BlogTalkRadio http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pharris

    I do celebrate Christmas-after all, it is a Pagan holiday! If you do not believe me do some research-it is based on the rituals of the Winter Soltice. But I love the holiday and I do wish you all a Merry Christmas-and I am not being sarcastic.

    We are in the midst of a stom so not sure how long I will be around today-I live in Maine.

    Blessing and peace to you all!

  • fearing said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Phillip, You make a great point about not using 1 source to support something.  I get that and it is good advice in general.  BUT (I like the all caps thing too).......where was I?  Oh yeah, BUT, I don't believe I need another source when it comes to God's Word.  I'm not using it to tell you what to do.  So what difference should it make to you if I believe it to be the Gospel Truth? 

    WAIT, before you get into a snit and your head starts to spin take a deep breath and remember that I can believe ALL those things if I want to and you don't have to.  We can disagree and go right on living our lives.  

    And Phillip, I bear no ill feelings towards you.  You sound like a very sincere man but I'm done with this conversation. I've been following what you've written here and on Sean's post and you are starting to look more like a publicity stunt for your books than a person with something to say. 

    It was very nice to meet you and may God bless you.
  • philipharris said on Dec 16, 2007....

    I only mention the books because Truthsayer said he couldn't find them on Google and in another post he said that I "claimed" to be an author. Just setting the record straight. The Caps are for book titles-could have uses quotes but caps are easier.

    You can use and believe anything you want-I certainly have no problem with that. The only problem I have is that people will say "x" is true and try to convince the world of it because the "bible says so, therefore it must be true."

    One of the purpose of blogging-and I have blogged on Soulcast for a while-I am not new-is to express an opinion and to be willing to see what people think-otherwise, why do it?

    I mentioned above my basic beliefs and have spent very little time mentioning books-it was brought up so I responded.

    I have no ill feeling towards you either but your last comment about a publicity stunt makes me wonder if you really want to explore ideas with those who disagree or just want to publisize your ideas-hmm-I guess we are all doing that!

    I am done with this one also.

    Merry Christmas!!!

  • truthsayer said on Dec 16, 2007....

    Awesome fearing.  Very enlightened.  He's looking down on you and smiling with pride.  : )

    Hmmm...I guess you kind of said it all here philipharris...I mean, folks know all about YOU now. Please realize that I have done the new age thing, metaphysics and I have a decent understanding of quantum physics my friend.  I am trained in general systems theory as well.  I have come full circle; so I recognize very well where you are my friend.  I hope you have a good Christmas full of new levels of understanding philipharris

    You said:  I believe in an all loving, ever present divine intelligence that is everything and is in everything and exprersses itself through all that is...But we are saying is...that we just aren't feeling the love man ; )

    Gotta run now folks.  Still have clean up to do from our little ice storms over the last week or so. 

    Later friends.  : )

    Truthsayer 

    p.s. The Word of God is absolute truth...but, cleverly, there are bits of truth in all of the religions you mentioned fella...just not the whole truth.  I gotta have it ALL.  : )   

  • philipharris said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Love is not always a pat on the back, my friend. Enjoy the holidays.
  • truthsayer said on Dec 16, 2007....
    Indeed.  That is why they call me TRUTHsayer ; )
  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 17, 2007....
    Philip brings up an interesting point...the validity of the Bible on its own merit. I've heard people say that Christians are naive and close-minded for taking the Bible at face value.

    And yet, the Bible has tremendous staying power. It's the bestselling book of all time, with 4-6 billion copies published (and that's just counting copies of all 66 books of the Bible, not including individuals books like the Gospel of John and so on). It's unlikely any book will surpass it, seeing's how the 2nd place book is a book of quotations from Mao Zedong, and hasn't surpassed 1 billion copies.

    As a point of reference, Mao Zedong's wife once declared decades ago that "God is dead in China." And here we are now...Christianity is growing rapidly despite Communist rule, and Mao Zedong's wife is dead. If one book can transcend political regimes, and outlast the lifespan of its great opponents, then we should be taking a heck of a look at this thing!

    Book sales are impressive, but WHY the Bible has outsold every other book in history is simple: it transforms lives. It gives us the meaning of life and why we're here, what we're meant to accomplish, how we can accomplish it, and what is in store for us after our current life. That's something no scientist or philosopher has definitively explained satisfactorily...ever.

    The Bible puts proud people who THINK they know everything (especially haughty Christians) in their place, and stresses that humble, gentle people are in God's favor. So someone who works and lives to get their share of the pie, amasses enormous wealth, and can get anything available on this earth, yet does not acknowledge God...they really don't have much of anything to begin with. People wonder how successful people can go wrong...it's because money and power don't make us happy. Success doesn't explain how John Bonham, drummer of arguably the greatest band of all time, Led Zeppelin, couldn't stop drinking and died of asphyxiation - choked on his own vomit. It also doesn't explain Howard Hughes' descent into madness near the end of his life. Think of movie stars with drug/alcohol problems, corporate executives with affairs and financial crimes, rock stars with...well, excess, and all sorts of famous people who lose it all for no apparent good reason...when all is said and done, people who get all the material things they want are still left wanting for something more.

    If we assume for a moment that some all-powerful being created us to share their love with them and each other, using some of us to write down instructions for living seems like the best thing to do. Humanity wouldn't want to miss the honest truth about their past, but they wouldn't understand everything that God would, either, so having the Bible give us everything necessary for salvation really is the best option...better than leaving out Jesus' parables or Noah's Ark or the fall of Jerusalem...and certainly better than hearing a bunch of stuff that goes over our heads anyways.

    The Bible's influence and track record is unparalleled in all of literature. You could say that people who believe its words have done some awful things, and you'd be right, but no more so than people doing wicked things with other beliefs. Believe it or not, you don't have to be a Christian to judge and condemn others :)

    Perhaps the most dangerous thing is that someone must know God and serve Him willingly to be a follower...but one doesn't have to believe in Satan to serve him. Someone can deny God, satan, and anything spiritual...but in Satan's eyes, that person is a lost soul, a victory, a person God cannot bless because that person has rejected Him.

    So if eternity exists for us when we die, and where we spend it depends on how we lived this life, then the possibility of satan screwing everything up behind the scenes, and leading some of us against God, is something that is potentially very frightening.

    Again, the Bible promises protection and relief from that through Jesus. So even the Bible doesn't resort to cheap scare tactics to guilt or terrify someone into submission to God.

    When it comes down to it, no one who opposes God or Christianity that I've spoken to has really understood the Bible. It's a closed book to them. And despite any efforts to speak to them, the truth is that they stand the most to lose from their own unbelief.
  • StupidGenius said on Dec 17, 2007....

    Truthsayer... not sure that’s at all an accurate description of your work im afraid

    As usual you wont like what im about to say but every now and then people need a reality check and here is yours. Your faith is based on falsehood.

    Your faith is built on an unproven, misguided, arrogant and self riotous set of beliefs. For anyone to claim that they know god or have spoken to god or know him to exist is to say that you have made some form of contact with that which is unimaginably complex and superior.

    Who are you to claim that your importance warrants this amazing idol to contact you. What gives you the right to claim to speak his "truth" and what gives you the right even mention his name?

    The facts in the clear light of day are that you claim this and claim that but in reality none of what you claim to be true can be proven. None of which you claim to be true has ever been seen or documented. (Don’t claim at this point that the bible is proof of documentation as the bible is worthless as a reference due to its total inaccuracy, inconsistency and incompatibility with current day.

    Jesus is proven to be a story copied from previous idols and the bible is based on the teaching of the torah. The torah is based and related to paganism and paganism relates back to early forms of sun/idolatry worship.

    I can back up what I say with evidence. Can any of you believers do the same?

    SG

  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 18, 2007....
    Hey SG, long time no see :)
    We tried with the evidence, time and again. You know, how the whole "Jesus came from Horus" argument came from three guys who had little, if any, understanding of Egyptology, and their claims were refuted by Egyptologists. You consider matters of the mind, not so much the heart. God is beyond scientific evidence, though science isn't contrary to the accounts in Genesis.
    A person who considers God to be a loving Creator that can be personally involved in our lives, and who believes God gives them talents and gifts to use for a specific purpose...that is a person who will likely experience God. There is wisdom outside of what you know, SG. God isn't only for people with intellectual prowess - He actually favors those society counts out.
    How can a rich or powerful or supremely intelligent person, who's lacking for nothing, truly appreciate a God that is most evident in the lives of the broken, poor, and infirmed? Unless they realize that riches and fame and worldly knowledge only go so far, God won't mean much to them. There is wisdom that resides in the heart and soul of a person, and really that's the idea I'd like you to consider, SG.
  • StupidGenius said on Dec 18, 2007....

    Point one on Horus. You are wrong and you know it. Stop avoiding the issue and point to a source for your "fact".

    Point two. Prove god exists and I will believe. If you cant prove it then tell me why you believe something which you cant prove.

    I wait in anticipation for your reply.

    SG

  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 18, 2007....
    Hey there man...if memory serves, we went over the whole thing before, and I found that the 3 men who claimed Jesus was largely lifted from Horus knew little, if anything, about Egyptology - and their claims were refuted by Egyptologists, no less. Whatever I said wasn't good enough evidence for you. Hey, that's ok with me...I'm not the one looking to prove Jesus false, so I'm content with not beating a dead horse.
    As has been proven many times before in life, in SC, in this post...it is very hard to argue someone into changing their worldview. On those grounds, SG, I am not going to "prove" God to you because debating will not help you know God. What changes people's worldview is transformation...and that transformation happens when we ask open-minded questions about God from His followers and from the Bible. Reading the Bible with an open mind will be much more fruitful than trying to put me to the test. Like I said, the matter's settled with me.
    Besides, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with your proof. I don't mean that maliciously - what I mean by that is that even if you get the indisputable scientific proof of God, it doesn't mean you will benefit by Him. God's power is only evident to those who believe He can work in our lives, AND who live their lives serving Him by loving other people. Close the door on His Word and on the beliefs of Christians, and, well, by self-fulfilling prophecy you have ruled out any information or situation that would give you "proof" in the first place. In other words, your proof is in the Bible, in praying to God, and seeing His people bless others...if you do/see none of these things, you are merely asking a question without wanting to know the answer.
  • StupidGenius said on Dec 18, 2007....

    S thats a no to the source of your horus/jesus claim and a no to the prove god exists?

    Its not me who needs to disprove him. its you who claim he exists. If you claim something to be true then its up to prove it otherwise you are simply claiming something to be true that has no reason to be believed.

    People are waking up gradually to the notion that god dosnt exist and they will continue to do so. Ever since christians claimed his existance their has been no evidence to back it up. Religion simply relies on the "Convincing" and "Brainwashing" to develope believers.

    No offense ment but this is my opinion, religion only benefits the weak minded as they rely on it as a comfort blanket in times of need instead of relying on an already in built will to survive. Its a bit like buying a volvo when you already have a porshe in your garage.

    SG

  • lidstrom82 said on Dec 18, 2007....
    To tell you the truth man, the people who really "get it" that follow God are those who spend time in prayer for others and in worship every day. They don't just go to God with a shopping list, or when they're in need, or only when bad times hit. It's a way of life for them. And I really don't think you can be critical of something you don't understand.

    To go with your analogy SG, some people don't have a Porsche in their garage. They've got nothing, and they NEED help beyond what the world and its people can give them. That's where I see God meet others - in relationships.

    To give you some insight here - God tells His people in the Bible to always be prepared to give a reason for why they follow Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean making up something, it means to remember exactly what God has done for you. For me, He saved me from suicide and a life of depression and isolation. SG, you've discounted that before, but that's exactly where you've missed out on proof. - you simply don't think I understand myself well enough to know what is "God" and what is my own voice. If you don't trust me when I say it's God, I don't expect you to trust God for anything, either :)

    So we must be prepared to state the reason for our faith - notice God doesn't command that we make others believe through debating. SG...YOU have a problem with any faith. Why else do you spend so much time trying to convince everyone otherwise, people who have made the decision for themselves? Why try to "open my eyes" when it's you in discontent? I already gave you my reason for belief - and I have no further reason to explain myself to you just because you're dissatisfied. I recommend more enlivening hobbies than that, man. :) And I'm done!
  • StupidGenius said on Dec 19, 2007....

    Ok Lid, to make my stance clear. I dont have a problem with religion (other than its inherent need to segregate and control lol). It dosnt exist to me and so I simply criticise it because to me its like someone trying to convince me of the tooth fairy's existance.

    Everyone has a porshe in their garage they simply need the key to start using it. The human body and mind are capable of amazing things, they are also capable of overcoming the most impossible obsticles without the help of an imaginary figure as a safety blanket.

    Like I said, prove he exists. You claim he does so back up your claim. I made a claim about evolution and I backed it up with solid facts. You should do the same. Prayer does not work, if it did it would be like going to god with a shopping list and as far as you are concerened thats not possible.

    Going by your theory, I can claim im god and their is nothing you could do to disprove me. Lets change the angle on this....

    I am God, prove im not.

    SG

  • crybabylu said on Jan 04, 2008....

    Truthsayer:

    This is one of the most "awesome" posts I have ever read in my entire life!  I just took a jab at trying to explain who God is and who Satan is a couple of weeks ago.  I did not realize this post existed....it is absolutely wonderful!

    You know.  You truly know.  It was revealed in every word you wrote.  Only a person who is intimately connected to
    God could have written it in the way that you did.  Wow!  When I am writing about God, etc, it does not flow like yours did.  What a precious gift you have.  Praise the Lord.

    I'm going to visit your site more often.

    When I 'm confronted, sometimes I stammer, but you stand there firm and don't get rattled at all.  Thank you Lord for giving this man such a wonderful gift!.......dee

  • truthsayer said on Jan 04, 2008....

    See how the Lord uses all believers and followers of Jesus and The Way???  : )

    Truly, just minutes before you wrote this, I found a nasty anonymous comment on another of my blogs.  I prayed about it, spoke to my loving spouse about it, and although it may be someone we both know that wrote the comment...I decided that my honey was right:  Get behind me satan!  I chose the right path, turned the other cheek and wrote a note to a friend saying those very words:  Get behind me satan!  Then...for confirmation...He prompted you to write these very encouraging and timely words!!!  So you see?  I must now thank you crybabylu!  For I am eternally grateful for your God given gift of encouragement and edification!!!

    You may never know how powerfully He has used you just now Dee.  Thank you so much, and God bless you.  I am going to resume writing immediately.  We all have God given gifts and destinies.  If each of us can only use all of the gifts He has so graciously given us, and stay on the path He has walked out for each of us (each destiny is as different and unique as He made each of us to be)...then, how can we fail???  We cannot.  I love who he made each of us to be...we are each an expression of Him.  Each one of His children is as lovely as He is.

    Blessings, and my deepest thanks Dee.

    Truthsayer : )

     

  • crybabylu said on Jan 04, 2008....
    Thank you for you kind response.  I believe it truly is like you said.                      Love in Jesus Christ, Dee
  • truthsayer said on Jan 04, 2008....

    Lidstrom82, I just have a minute before I have to get off...but I wanted to thank you too.  Your writing is so complete, so well thought out, that I always receive such inspiration...and, I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate you too.  I hope you take just a minute to read this, even though you said that you are "done".  I have been gone from soul cast for quite a while, and I have been admiring your gift for writing too.  How's that book edit coming along?  I am writing again too.  Thanks to the love and prayers of good friends : )  Hope your Christmas was blessed and your New Year too.  Just wanted to say thanks, and you're in my prayers too.

    I really love all of you. 

    Truth : )

  • lidstrom82 said on Jan 04, 2008....
    Hey truth!

    I got emails telling me that this post got more replies, so that's how I got your words. I am really encouraged to know that my writing doesn't just invite head-scratching and affrontedness in others, but offers some real sensible perspective on how God relates to people.

    As for writing, I'm in the final stages of edits and am now working on the promo package to send to publishers. It's gonna be awesome, with lots of hard work left, but the reward is coming. Thanks for checking in! How are things with you?
  • moyz said on Jan 29, 2008....
    very intersting post...received it by email thanks to Soulcast!
  • truthsayer said on Feb 08, 2008....
    Hi Moyz! 
     
    Welcome to Soul Cast. 
    Thank you for taking the time to post a comment. 
    I appreciate SC for sending this to you too.
    Stop into my blog anytime. 
    You are always welcome. 
     
    Blessings,
     
    Truthsayer
  • PieterOpie said on Jan 02, 2009....
    The idea of a devil is even funnier and sillier than the idea of a loving father in heaven and almost as silly as that guy having a son which he sent down to get nailed for a bunch of humans who he supposedly created to keep him company. 

    I saw Satan once and he was wearing black and was just a stupid teenager scaring the kiddies.  He ran off into the night.  Finished.  Why anyone would call themselves Satan and scare kiddies is beyond me.  Must have been a power thing.

    No folks.  The religious masters who were running the world at the time invented the devil as a sort of scare tactic.  It worked like a charm.  The priests in those days were right into fear and torment and blackmail and eternal suffering made people behave themselves.  Well, except for the guys in charge who knew it was all crap.  They still found time to rent out the Vatican palaces as brothels and make a few bucks on the side.  One of them eventually ran the business himself.  There are your devils.  The Popes and the priests.  Anyone who attempts to "guide" you in how t worship your god has got to be up to no good.  What concern is it of anyone what people believe.  It is none of their damn business.  Even Jesus was not keen on all that over-formal expensive style religion.  Not that he had a divine insight or anything.  He just resented the priests who had kidnapped his religion from his tribe.  He wanted to tell folks not to believe all that waffle and get back to basics. 

    Of course if he was around now he would tell us that there is no god; a concept that would not have gone over so well back then.  However, his motivations were basically political.  Bloody Romans.... Bloody high priests!!!   If only he had guessed what all that agitation would lead to he might have tough twice.  Clearly the son of god was not all-seeing.  Look at the trouble religious differences has cost humanity.  WAIT... it was the devil that made him do it....

    But as usual, I am ranting.  I like to rant. 

    In short.  NO. There is no devil. No Satan. No fallen angels... No naughty second in command in heaven who got kicked out.  No struggle between good and evil. No hell either. No fire and brimstone.  Nothing. Zip.  no.

    And that is the complete and honest truth.   The REAL truth.  Not that religious truth they're always telling you about. That's crap.  
  • truthsayer said on Jan 03, 2009....
    HUH.

    : )
  • lidstrom82 said on Jan 03, 2009....
    Well Opie, there is a fair amount of people that would share your view. Interestingly enough, if there is no supernatural, evil force in the universe, that means that the human race is solely responsible for all the evils in history, and considering that lots of the world is in very bad shape right now, we have a lot of problems.

    I'd venture to say that humanity has problems that it can never fix itself. And that is a very depressing thought, especially if there is no god that seeks to help us in any way. If we're all we have, the full implications of that is extremely depressing.
  • truthsayer said on Jan 03, 2009....
    Oh well.  I couldn't take waiting.  I had to say hello Lidstrom. 

    I agree with you of course.  I just wrote a blog about how people's personal, spiritual, financial and business lives have changed in the last year.  I saw a blog by SeanRenaud about his life...and it only proves that God is no respecter of persons...he has seen much trouble as well.  The difference is that I feel sound, anchored and I am able to maintain Peace in the storm. 

    I would love to write more about this calm in the storm, but I can't without more personal information than I am comfortable with.  But, it is uncanny.  We have Peace.  We know that this isn't our end, because like Paul...we have a destiny to fulfill.  So we are undaunted by the bite of the asp, by the shipwreck, etc.  We know where we are headed and we aren't there yet. 

    Just thought I'd share that.  Thank you so much for checking back in on my blog Lidstrom.  I hope Opie responds to you.  This blog is really special to me because of all that has happened in our lives since I wrote it.  Hope your 2009 is blessed, no matter what is coming, you know?

    Your friend in Christ,

    Truthsayer
  • PieterOpie said on Jan 03, 2009....
    Depression is sweeping the world like a mental tsunami; you may have heard.  I assume everyone here lives in the USA, the odds are good and so I often refer to "your country" as opposed to mine which is Australia.  However I am Dutch by birth and I am still a Dutch national.  Why do I mention this?  To help you understand that I see things from outside your society which on the whole is unaware that there are other countries on earth. 

    I also like to generalise - it makes my raves flow more easily.  Obviously not all Americans are the same.  I am in a relationship with one of "them" (eeeeek).

    Well, you people are now feeding your kiddies all kinds of medications to either make them pay attention, and then when they do and see what is going on you have to switch to anti-depressants and various other drugs to control their little emotions which, understandably, are in turmoil.  BTW - Australia is a little bit like America without the acute sense of being right about everything and Aussies can laugh at themselves.  So we have some - stress SOME of the same problems.  So many people are divorcing for such pathetic reasons it strikes me.  For selfish reasons people dump their spouse so that they will find one more pliant to their ways; which are often a teensy bit excessively "me" oriented.  The kiddies rarely grow up with both natural parents and fall into a trench of emotional neglect as mum gets fake boobs and dad works himself to death to pay off all those credit cards.  Well, they used to until the arse fell out of that national habit of living like kings on credit.  Americans value status and appearance more than reality and therefore nothing in their lives is real anymore and the kiddies do notice all of this.  Some of them can't deal with it and the pills no longer suppress the  turmoil inside and they go shoot their mates at school.  That is a largely American phenomenon you know.  Apart from your insane gun toting lifestyles which are too scary for words, your artificial lives (on credit and silicon) promote yet more brattish selfishness which turns to violence and mass murder.

    Where is Satan in all this?  Nowhere.  It is entirely manmade madness.  The wars we are stupidly involved in are all manmade situations.  In this case largely in the imagination of a loopy president who claims to commune with Jesus.  Many non-Americans (and many Americans too) view him and his thuggish administration as a club of war criminals.  No Satan there - although I do wonder about Cheney......  No devil, just a bunch of neo-nazis without the fancy uniforms.  They did not deal with the devil - they did their business with Jesus.  Go figure. 

    So there are two brief glimpses at society and international conflict.  It is humans that create the situations.  How anyone can blame the mess on some invented demon  as if that will aleviate our responsibility is beyond me.  It must be the slackest cop-out ever devised - other than blaming the CIA that is.  hehe

    It's a bit like saying that certain tragedies are god's fault.  The flooding of New Orleans was an "act of god".  It is a  legal and oft used reason for insurance companies to classify some natural events.  It is recognised by the government and by business alike.  It must be true.  How many crazy people kill their kiddies because god or Satan told them to do it?  Oh please.....  Neither god nor the devil speak to people. Yet we have based our entire belief system on some old fool in the desert who heard god talk to him.  God even encouraged to old bastard to sleep with his slave when his wife could not produce an heir.  Slave??? Adultery???  Recommended by that god he heard????  And that guy invented our variety of monoatheism.    HEEEEELP!!!!!

    Actually it was the Egyptians who first worshiped a single god.  The sun god - whatshisname.... you know.... Rah or something.  

    But predictably I digress...  God has pretty shaky foundations in my opinion.  Abraham was a prick.  Later when his wife did have a kid he made the new kid his heir and dumped the other one.... how screwed is that?  And god told him to do it in the first place.  BTW god had no objection to slavery I noticed.  What??!!!   Supposedly Abraham was "special" and so he was favoured by god.  Boy... he was the best of what was on offer?  Shit!!!!   I would have gone with Rah.... at least I can see the sun. It is quite real.

    How about that Moses guy hey?  He comes down from his appointment with god to collect the rules and he finds half his tribe mooning over some gold statue of a cow.  So what?  I see that sort of thing on the beach all the time....
    Anyway the first thing Moses does with stone tablets still tucked under his arm is order the murder of 3000 of his people for the cow thing. He forgot the rule that said "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" rather quickly don't you think?  Yet he is yet another brick in the wall of the main religions in the world. There is a lot of murdering on god's behalf hey?  It continues to this very day,  this minute.  Not one of those murderers (or soldiers if you prefer) did so because of Satan.

    Satan is nowhere to be found.  Why not?   Is Satan only responsible for abominations such as me - I am gay....  DON'T STAND TOO CLOSE!!!  It IS catching.  Hide the kiddies.... especially the underage male kiddies, you know, the ones we all like to convert into screaming faggy queers.  HAHAHAHAHA!!!

    AH, I love it..... yes sir, Satan only looks after the little nasty things.  Not the major ills in society and the horrible wars and mass murders.  No, Satan insidiously does his work through drama queens like me, slowly but surely infecting the nation by trying to get married and adopt other normal people's kiddies and have sex with them before teaching them to undermine the sacred institution of marriage (what? LOL) and infiltrate the government to destroy the world.   You know... sort of what the Republicans did with Bush and tried to do with that whacko nutcase Palin.  Soooooo sneaky - we gays,,,, eh, and those neo-cons - read neo-nazis.  YES I said nazis and I meant it.  The Bush people and Hitlers people have much in common.  Make no mistake. 

    However - not even Hitler or Bush can be blamed on that eternal scapegoat the devil.  They are all products of society and their parentage.  Just highly devoted rotten creeps who were brilliant at convincing others to follow them and blame it on someone else.  Bush blamed Democrats and terrorists and had everyone reeling in fear - an excellent method of populace control - Hitler used the Jews.  Neither used Satan.... although Bush did mention Jesus a fair bit.  Appropriate since Jesus was a politicla figure before he was transformed by crazy people into a god or a demi-god, or what was he?  A son of god.  How dumb is that?

    And we happily find Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus etc. as being perfectly believable because of a select number of heavily biased books that found their way into the bible - a work written LONG after the events which may or may not have happened.  Oh brother......  help us all.  Give me another anti-depressant.

    And peope have based all their faith in this vague historical figure who was motivated by politics of the day and say he came back to life. 

    HELLO!!!!!  PEOPLE DO NOT COME BACK TO LIFE.  They must have been making up stories kids.... sorry, but Santa (anagram of Satan) is also not real.  And virgins DO NOT GET PREGNANT except in America where all the teens abstain.  $400 MILLION PER YEAR SAY SO.   In fact there are more virgine births now than there were regular ones before they spent all that cash....

    HILLARIOUS!!!!!   But everyone felt better about themselves knowing some homo wasnt't going to teach them what Satan wants at school and give them condoms.... that is just permission to fornicate.  Satan makes leaky condoms - did you know that?  LOLOLOLOLOLOL..... OH MY.....

    Phew... I'm exhausted. I haven't had so much fun in months.  Well you know how it is... the devil made me do it.


    Must go and do some sinning now.    see ya.   Pieter.  (kissy kissy.....)
  • lidstrom82 said on Jan 04, 2009....
    So somewhere in the middle of your response, Pieter, I caught a few potshots at American self-centeredness, Aussie pride (go right ahead, I love the place), a declaration of "I'm gay, so what?", jokes about the ills of religion, the absurdity of a god, jesus, or the devil, and some funny remarks about each of them.

    For the most part, I think you're spot-on.

    It does take an awful big leap to believe in such things. Is that a foolish thing? It depends. To some, it's foolish to find fulfillment in a gay lifestyle. Who's to say? Not me - the point is not to judge whether someone's life is better than another's by their choices. Does the Bible claim that homosexuality is a sin? Yes it does, but whatever hoopla is caused by the Christian right, the fact remains that there's a whole lot of other sins that go on by MANY self-righteous people. Booo!

    With that said, you've got some misconceptions about the nature of God, Jesus, the devil, Moses, etc. I think if you earnestly did some digging for yourself, and not choosing the lowest common denominator as your conclusion (i.e., crappy Christians/Muslims/Jews/followers of the flying spaghetti monster), you'd see a lot of merit to religion. Contrary to popular belief, MANY god-less people have fought wars, committed evil, and killed all sorts of people.

    Don't make the mistake of assuming that every American doesn't care about the rest of the world, Pieter. Generalize if you must, but don't forget that many of us take our role in the world very seriously and look out for the little guy :) What's that Uncle Ben said? With great power comes great responsibility. America's at its worst when it self-indulges. Check us out at our best!

    Satan has been used far too often as a scare tactic for churches and religious figures for profit and influence. I believe that Satan exists, but not out of my own guilt or need for mental self-flagellation. I have my own reasons for being a Christian, but the point is this, Pieter - with the knowledge you've demonstrated about religion, I wouldn't be so quick to make conclusions if I were you...there's more to the story.


  • PieterOpie said on Jan 04, 2009....
    Misconceptions?  About god and the bad red guy?  Please explain.

    As for generalising, yes of course I generalise.  It would be no fun having to say "except for all the Americans I know or have ever met" all the time.  I love to take pot-shots at the old USA.  I have nothing better to do and obviously I never go to church so there is all that spare time as well.

    To be continued..........  


    P.S.   I'm gay? When did that happen?  hehehe..... (gulp)
  • lidstrom82 said on Jan 04, 2009....
    To tell you the truth, there's lots to complain about concerning the USA. Isn't that kind of redundant, though? Until China continues to emerge, the US is the only remaining world superpower - making fun of it is like nitpicking the new car on the block.

    Anyhoo, one thing that I notice about religion's critics are two things: 1), they focus on Christianity the most, and 2), since they have no need for religion, they are rarely well-studied in it. It's like a jury convicting someone without hearing all the evidence - it's a poorly-drawn conclusion.

    What are the misconceptions I speak of? Consider this: God promised Abraham that he would bear a child with his wife, Sarah....however, when it didn't happen on their timetable, Sarah had Abraham sleep with her maidservant, Hagar. They tried to help the process along, and it caused many more problems. However, Hagar and Abraham's son, Ishmael, was destined to become a great nation, blessed by God. Many consider this to be the Arab nation today.

    Further, punishment from God is different from someone becoming a murderer. If God alone is able to accurately judge a human's worth, what are we doing as the human race, often killing each other out of all kinds of reasons? Again, Israel did a very bad thing by creating a golden calf, especially after all God did to set them free from Egypt. If I were God, I'd just as soon let the Israelites eat dirt after their constant disobedience.

    On top of all that, with the Bible, it's all or nothing as far as believing it. No one can claim to adhere to God and not believe in Satan. After all, both of them clearly interact with each other and with humanity in the Bible. What good is picking and choosing, except to make religion fit our own tastes? True Christianity is about serving a God and a humanity that's bigger than ourselves and our own country's interest, and that means selflessness.

    Speaking of selflessness, Jesus came to die for our sins as a sacrifice. Many criticize this, but I think one of the best gifts God gave us is free will. In order to remove sin and all the suffering of the world, one way to do that is to remove our free will - to make us all puppets, or robots, that are incapable of doing anything bad. How much does that suck for all of us that are so adamant about doing their own thing? How dumb is it that Jesus would take the power of God and use it to our benefit, and yet we still criticize him? Again, I don't think you're making a conclusion based on the whole story.

    One thing I should stress, Pieter, is that Jesus was not a political figure, nor merely a great teacher. Why? Because in the Bible - the greatest single resource about Jesus' life - he claimed to be more, much more, than just an important figure. He was meant to fulfill dozens of hundreds-year old prophecies, and bring salvation to all, among other things. I'm sorry, but no man is dumb whose life goal is to bring new life to you and me.

    Also, in our own twisted way, we like to have order and control, even when we run churches. Jesus meant for us to be free of guilt and fear, two things you rightly point to which church leaders often use to control. At the heart of it, I think you've taken the worst of what humans have done with God, Pieter, and decided that God isn't worth it. There's much more to it, dude, but as much as I can elaborate, the Bible explains it better. Everything I've explained comes from it...I certainly haven't made anything up or twisted words to make it sound good. See for yourself :)
  • azenay said on Feb 10, 2009....
    Amen to that...The Bible says it all..in the book of Revelation, we find some descriptions of satan. For those who do not believe in God..which i tried to do.hehe..did you ever wonder why everything in this world is so connected..that everything seems to be in place..that is not coincidence..too much of coincidence is too much..i mean..there was be a powerful source behind that. Read the Bible and find many more wonderful thoughts...you will come to realize..it is never too late..
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 10, 2009....
    Lidstrom said:  ".... I notice about religion's critics are two things: 1), they focus on Christianity the most, and 2), since they have no need for religion, they are rarely well-studied in it."

    I admit I am not as versed as a theologian or devotee but I do take a keen interest, but I have many interests and only have so much time.  I am not strong on detail but I guess the devil's in the detail, right?  LOL

    The bible is made up from a selection of "books" and it seems only a small portion of them made it into the big book.  Some of the other books don't always agree with the winners and who decided what went in and what was left out?  From what I understand there were by the time all this was going on that there were already a number of competing factions of those jews who decided to take what parts they wanted from Jesus's teachings and set up shop.  The "official" church was merely the winner of these petty squabbles, not necessarily the one Jesus would have chosen.  In fact I think he may have wanted to put Mrs Jesus in charge of the church because she apparently understood his message better than those lunkheaded males.  Women did preach and do things around the community in those days but certain people did not like the idea of being told what to do by a woman and Simon/Peter claimed to be the chosen one and he and his chums demonised Mary M. and made her into a whore.  I ask you, is that nice - or fair - or correct.  Jesus would have been rather pissed off.

    You also base much of your evidence on what is a matter of faith.  For example saying Jesus was sent by dad as a sacrifice is complete fantasy to me.  I dismiss that as meaning anything at all.  Sorry.  You'll have to prove that rather wild claim.  (Prove god and Satan while you're at it). 

    As for Abraham....  I am not convinced that Hagar was a servant, She is refered to as a slave.  Calling her a maid servant cleans up their act a bit.  God talked to this guy about all kinds of stuff but when he wants a kid and decides to commit adultery, god is silent.  How convenient. Then after the slave has his kid and he makes him his heir, what happens???  Sarah has a bun in the clay oven. The kid is soon proclaimed his real heir and the other kid is told to take a number,

    You can see how this sucks - or not?  The heir and friends form Judeism the other kid brings us todays crazy terroists.  (I jest, but it's close).  Abraham not only made outrageous claims about this chummy special relationship with a god but sets up what was to become one of the world's great clashes between two religions.   That is... if you have FAITH that the old leacherous bastard spoke to a god in the first place - which I do not.  I might believe he had a mental illness and he invented god in his image.  Yes, that makes sense.  The other stuff makes no sense.  Neither does the virgin birth or the ressurection or so many far fetched things in that heavily edited book - the bible.  In any case, it has been translated which the jews would not have done for fear of fucking up the true meaning.  These days any idiot can rewrite the damn thing and it is sinful how they get away with it. - true?

    The devil is believed to pop up throughout the bible but his actual existence is rather nebulous in all cases.  As far as I understand it many of these manifestations are different things and boogie men and concepts.  THE devil as in the final product does not solidify until much later, well after the bible was written and christianity was already ruled over by a string of insane corrupt popes in Rome who usually bought their way onto the throne.  Some even used the place as a brothel.  They used to marry in the early days too, funny how priest now prefer little kiddies.... The whole thing started badly, got worse and now is so ridiculously formalised and dominated by facist popes who claim they cannot make mistakes because god works them by remote control.

    Truly funny - and absurd.    And we let these people brainwash our children. 

    then they brainwash their kiddies and so on and so forth.  They eventually learn that Santa is fake but no one tells them all that other crap is bullshit. 

    Please.....   you must be joking.  No amount of study or fine details can make this rubbish real.  It is all one big magic trick but it is good for business.  Great power has always come with the deal.  If you were the magic man you had power. Popes even told kings what to do.  If not they'd send Satan to get 'em.  and they'd go to another new invention..... hell.

    They were tyrrants.  That is it. no more - no less.  Faith was the method by which they controlled the people and Satan was the fear factor.  Original sin excluded the heathens.... they thought of everythng. 

    Everything except the eventual boredom and loss of faith.  They can't burn or kill us anymore, otherwise they would.  I'd have been killed a long time ago. 

    This current pope needs his ass kicked.  How many times has he put the fisherman's boots in his mouth?  Christ!!!!  The jerk even said that gays endanger humanity as much as global warming....  He virtually declared open season on fags.  Terrific.  I'd like to shove that sheppard's crook where the sun don't shine.... 

    Anyway.  bless you.... hahahahahaha.... funnyyyyyy.
  • truthsayer said on Feb 15, 2009....
    Hey Pie.  How are things in Australia?  Wish I was there.  Wish we all were.  I could use a walk-about-right-about-now.  : )

    I thought since this is my blog, I would comment on just a portion of your conversation with my-dear friend-in-Christ, Lidstrom.  I chose this excerpt because it was the clearest and easiest one for me to address quickly.  I can shed some light on this for you, if you will perceive it. 

    We all have biases Pie...some are blinding.  Even Christians that have not wrestled with the word, and taken the time to truly understand the basis of their faith and the heights which they can achieve, only through Him....often misunderstand the Lord and who we/they are in Him.

    Anyway, this is what you said:

    "I admit I am not as versed as a theologian or devotee but I do take a keen interest, but I have many interests and only have so much time.  I am not strong on detail but I guess the devil's in the detail, right?  LOL..."

    I include this to show others that may stumble upon this later, that you have professed an interest in the subject at hand...even a "keen interest".  And yes Pie, the devil is in the details.  : ) 

    In the Second Psalm, which is the first to truly introduce us to Jesus, the very first line says:  "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?"  So you must understand the true bias of all true believers.  We do know that until we believed, we too imagined a vain thing.  We understand where we are now, based upon where we used to be.  We used to be right where you are now.

    You also said...

    "In fact I think he may have wanted to put Mrs Jesus in charge of the church because she apparently understood his message better than those lunkheaded males.  Women did preach and do things around the community in those days but certain people did not like the idea of being told what to do by a woman and Simon/Peter claimed to be the chosen one and he and his chums demonised Mary M. and made her into a whore.  I ask you, is that nice - or fair - or correct.  Jesus would have been rather pissed off."

    Being a woman and in an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ, I am uniquely qualified to comment on your opinions, or at least, your observations.  Since you believe that if Jesus existed, He must have been married and had sex like any other heterosexual man, this tells me that at best, you would be considered a gnostic.  Again, in Biblical terms. 

    So your world view is carnal-knowledge-based.  This faction existed in Biblical times as well.  I guess in a way, you and your beliefs are represented in the Bible.  How about that?  Even you are represented in the Bible Pie.  It is a perfect book.  I have found that every single thing I ever needed to know is in that book.  Hardly a carnal-knowledge-based book.  It is supernatural.  But I do not expect you to agree with me on that.  I simply expect you to acknowledge your bias, as I have acknowledged my own.  That's integrity.

    Anyway, it is true that the women stayed with Jesus through His death and were the first to witness His resurrection.  Jesus did tell her to 'go and tell the others'...so He considered her equal to the men.  He also knew that they would not believe her, and they would have to see for themselves.  He is omniscient again after the resurrection, having been restored to His former glory.  But, He still told her to "go".

    So she went.  She told them.  They, in the true nature of "man" had to go and see for themselves.  Okay.  God would expect that.  That's okay too.  So they went and saw for themselves.  They had to.  They would have to be accountable for their beliefs.  We each must do that Pie. 

    I used to have a hard time with being a woman in the Body of Christ.  I felt limited.  But I am not.  Not really.  I do have to be more creative though.  That's okay with me.  I also have to know what He meant for us to be "long-suffering".  So what?  All true believers must learn this.  But don't take this to mean that Jesus would be "pissed off" about it.  He knows me better than that.  He knows all of us better than that.  What would I learn without problems and challenges to overcome Pie?  What would any of us learn without problems and challenges to overcome?

    Jesus is complete.  Whole.  Sinless.  We were separated from God, so men and women have also been "separated" from each other.  It is only God that can make us One with Him, and One with each other.  Only God Pie.

    In Biblical terms (so that we can have a common reference, as you have wisely chosen to refer to from the beginning), I would be considered a "preacher" or an evangelist, I am not a pastor, however.   Women did preach.  They had church assemblies in their homes as well.  I can cite examples if you wish.

    In fact Pie, you might enjoy reading Revelation 12.  This scripture has shaped who I am in Christ.  Who He says that I am.  It is a wonderful and beautiful mystery to ponder.  But for a gnostic-style-thinker, pondering the deep mysteries might not appeal to you, anymore than "imagining yourself to be an atom" might.  Everyone cannot be an Einstein.  Even in women:  There are Marthas and Marys.

    He often uses a woman to describe the way we must come together in Him.  We are the Bride, after all.  Willing to be perfected for Him.  He is the Groom.  Jesus loves women.  He loves His Bride.  God loves women.  God loves the Bride prepared for His Son. 

    You need to read about Deborah.  She offered the authority to the men of her time.  She understood the beauty of submission.  She also knew that if they did not do what God said they needed to do...she would have to do it and she would do it with God's blessing.  She would lead them to victory...but, if a man had stepped up to the plate...they could have had that victory.  I don't know exactly what that means for us in the church today, but I know that He gave me that story to help me when things were hard for me to understand.  So, I know that I am sort of a Deborah kind of lady. 

    Back to your comment though.  Peter and the others, even Paul, did not dislike women...they knew full well that the Bride is a female "energy".  Cut them some slack dude, they are only men. ; )  I am kidding guys.  It takes both men and women to be complete.  Both.  Not one or the other.

    You also said: 

    "You also base much of your evidence on what is a matter of faith.  For example saying Jesus was sent by dad as a sacrifice is complete fantasy to me.  I dismiss that as meaning anything at all.  Sorry.  You'll have to prove that rather wild claim.  (Prove god and Satan while you're at it)."

    Are you up for more?  I'll answer this for you, from my heart...if you want me to.

    Blessings,

    Truthsayer


  • PieterOpie said on Feb 15, 2009....
    It was wrong of me to make you write all that.  You must have other things to do without any of this.  Despite both of us speaking english we obviously cannot understand each other beyond the small talk. I won't bother you again because in this case one of us is the alpha and the other is the omega. in my view you are sealed off from any outside interference which I suppose is the way you like it.  I too have other things to do. bye bye.
  • truthsayer said on Feb 15, 2009....
    Well then Pie...let me just say that "it's been a slice." 

    You are right then.  This is what we call a total bypass in communication.  I see you as a closed system, and myself as an open system.  Guess we'll have eternity to think things through...wherever we each spend eternity.  

    I wish you all the best though.  Thanks for stopping by.  Take care. 

    Blessings,

    Truthsayer
  • truthsayer said on Feb 15, 2009....
    No need to respond by-the-way.  I understand and appreciate your integrity.

    Truth : )
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 15, 2009....
    I can't resist since you again push a final point.  And that is you say I am a closed system and I dispute that and say it is you that is closed off from any other possibility other than your reality. I might be able to accept many ideas as being the possible truth.  To you god and christ is the truth and for me that is not one of the likely answers.  To you there is purpose and intelligence behind existence and I disagree.  I don't think god is a thinking being with intent or thought.  If there is a god it is a force that is totally passive and does not act.  It merely is.  I see no need for a creative aspect nor a destructive one.   Those qualities are part of the universe itself just as good and evil are found in us.  God or Satan does not guide either one.   As for religion - I can't take it at all sreiously as must be blattantly obvious.  It is infantile in nature born out of ancient needs for those kinds of powers.  They explained why we were here.  They are old ideas.  They no longer work.  Finally, I still resent your choice of screen names.  It is arrogant and insulting to me.
  • fearing said on Feb 15, 2009....

    My Dear Truth, I see you are at it again. ;-)
    I got your PM and will be responding in a moment. I just thought I'd peek in and see what you were up to. I haven't read all the latest, I just hit the highlights. Doing good my friend.
    I like your name. It's a great name. I like the reason behind it too. Maybe people who are offended by it should ask you why you chose it?
    I know The Truth. He's pretty awesome.
    love and hugs,
    Fearing
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 15, 2009....
    Oh great, another one who refers to the god of choice as "he" suggesting it is male and has a persona and a will.  I find the name offensive because it suggests a rightness about everything .  It says I speak the truth therefore those who do not say what I do are not telling the truth.  You may as well say I am lying.  The name of truth assumes an absolute which cannot be proven, only asserted and should I assert a different truth you dispute it even before I open my mouth.

    "I am right and that is that" or "my words are true and that is final" is what that name says.  It is what religious leaders everywhere have claimed  since the beginning of time.  Since they often conflicted obviously they couldn't all be right.  The name throws down a challenge and an insult at the same time.


  • fearing said on Feb 16, 2009....

    Hi PieterOpie, 

    Yeah, I'm "another one" of those

    I refer to Him as a he because that is what He calls Himself.  Thought you had a keen interest?  You should know that one already. 

    As for Truthsayer's name, I'm just suggesting that you don't know what the name means or why Truthsayer chose it.  (And yes, I do know the reason and story behind it)  Just like my name - you might guess it means one thing when it isn't even close to the real meaning. 

    Things aren't always what they seem.  Some things can exist, even when you don't understand them.

    Have a nice day,

    Fearing

  • PieterOpie said on Feb 16, 2009....
    How would you know what he called himself?  Why would a god have a gender anyway?  A gender suggests the need for sexual reproduction and that is a little whacko in my opinion.  Anyway why would gods need to produce offspring to begin with, since they live forever?  It's silly.  
  • truthsayer said on Feb 16, 2009....
    Well hello again Pie-face : ) 

    Ummm...you don't like my nickname because of the way it makes you feel...and you don't like the fact that I took the liberty of making a "final point" in my own blog?  ; )  Dude?  Are you serious? 

    See this tells me several things about you Pie.  It tells me that it is my name, my presence and my truth that makes you feel uncomfortable.  It's because I am all about the Lord.  You don't really know me, you don't even know what I look like.  The one thing you do know about me is that I have an intimate relationship with someone that you clearly know nothing about.  You haven't even tried.  Or if you have, there was something about Him, His Name or the things He did, or the way He did them, that made you feel "bad", "wrong" or incorrect at least. 

    Well?  Join the club.  What sets me and my dearest friend fearing, apart from you, is that we can admit that we have been bad, wrong and incorrect at best.  You like to think that you are good, right and correct I gather.  So be it.  My dear Pie, we shall see.  One day, we shall all see.

    So.  Will I change my nickname for you?  No.  Of course not.  Will fearing and I lie, and say that we do not know what we both know absolutely to be true?  I think not.  You simply made my point Pie.  You see yourself as an open system and you see us as closed systems.  That's what I said, but you wanted to say it better I guess.

    Anyway Pie...I am a truthsayer.  I am Truthsayer.  His truthsayer.  I do know Absolute Truth.  He is Awesome.  You know only your own "truth".  I don't think you are lying about what you think you know...what you claim is true for you.  But you do not believe in Absolute Truth...fearing and I do.  We not only believe in Him, we know Him.  We know Him better everyday.  We wish only the best for you...no less.  So, forgive us if we want to share with you, the very best the universe, the very best that all of creation has to offer.  We love you as much as we love ourselves.  Go figure?  We love you.  God loves you.  Jesus loves you.  The Holy Spirit is right here with us to teach you all the mysteries of the universe that you can possibly handle.  Just imagine! 

    Anyway, like I said, it takes BOTH men and women to come together.  This isn't a gender thing Pie.  It is a GOD THING.  Love is the power that created and moves the universe Pie.  You oughta try it.  I mean the kind of love that would make you love us too.  You take care Pie.  Be good.  Keep opening that mind and heart to the possibilities.  It's real man.  He's real. 

    Love, love, love, and love some more!

    Your friendly neighborhood truthsayer,

    Truthsayer : )


  • truthsayer said on Feb 16, 2009....
    Hi fearing!!! 

    It's so good to see you on here again!  Sorry I didn't get that pm finished.  I'll catch you up asap.  How cool is this?  You're nickname is "fearing" and mine is "truthsayer"...both names that if one is biased against Christians, could really get someone's goat ; )  But there is always more to a book than we see, and judge, from it's cover; isn't there?  So I am glad that you met my new athiest friend, "Pie".  He may not want to be buddies anymore, but at least we shared our very Best with him, right? 

    Love you little one.

    See you soon.

    Love,

    Truth : )
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 16, 2009....
    You insult me again......  I am biased against all religions.  Especially christianity, but certainly not only.   Yours is just the whackiest and the most self-obsessed.

    You have shared ZERO with me.  I regard all of it as complete nonsense.  There is absolutely no substance in anything you say.  It is an exercise in self-delusion.

    That is fine - but you have NO RIGHT to impose your thing on innocent children and corrupt their minds.  It is evil. 
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 16, 2009....
    I meant to say that your repeated insistence that you make me feel uncomfortable is poppycock; complete rubbish.  You are words on a page.  No more.  Should you be in my home and in my face then perhaps, but not otherwise. I dare say if you and I were face to face I might make you a little uneasy as well. 

    You do however annoy me with your accusation of my discomfort.  That lasts but a second.  You do make me angry though, but again in an academic sense.  I do not feel the raw emotion that often accompanies anger.  I am not that easy to influence.  You will of course dismiss this and again say that "your truth" affects me. 

    That is tiresome and repetitively boring.  I am "angry" because it is your absolute assumption about your reality that you use as your excuse to warp the minds of the innocent.  You instil your religion into their minds and have the temerity to believe you are right (and truthful).  You don't allow for any other possibility. 

    Finally please don't lecture me about love.  You do not have some spiritual love-monopoly.  
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 18, 2009....

    Religion is a closed minded, delusional reality for many. It is dangerous and many religious people have little to no understanding of their own religion. They routinely show a complete lack of historical knowledge in regard to the bible and who wrote it, they have little understanding of science and evolution and all gaps in their understanding are filled with the token phrases like "God created it", "God made it", "God did that", "God can do anything" or my favourite "You can’t understand unless you believe".

    I have engaged in many conversations with truth and his friends and they are all incapable in the end of structuring a logical argument for the existence of god or the devil.

    The fact will always remain that those who profess to know the truth put themselves in the position of having to prove their assertion. Not one single person in the world that is alive or dead has ever been able to do that and the religious have had many thousands of years to try.

    Bottom line is they can’t, they never will be able to but they continue to think they can. I feel sorry for them.

    SG

  • truthsayer said on Feb 18, 2009....
    Dear Sg and Pie:

    You two sound very much alike.  Like you are very close, at least in dogma...perhaps you should continue your discussion in your own blogs? 

    No matter how cordial I am with you two...and I have offered to have further discussions with you before (although I am not offering again at this time)...you just keep going on and on and on. 

    We have already agreed to disagree.  What part of this mutual settlement is it that you continue to fight?  Not me.  You aren't fighting with me.  It is more.  Much more.  Or you would both just be on your way. 

    Your mind, Pie, seems to want to judge me.  You even call Christians, true believers, "evil"?  That's wild.  If there is no Absolute Truth, then what is your standard?  To which standard to you measure all things?  Nothing?  Then why discuss, study or ever evaluate anything?  "It's all relative dude." 

    You two belong to a very powerful religion.  You two are evangelists.  Carry on gentlemen...elsewhere.  Get the hint?  Go mutually admire each other and continue to gossip, mock, etc...the lowly Christians in the world.  Go for it...elsewhere.  : )  Please?

    Thank you.

    Blessings,

    Truthsayer

    P.S. 

    This is still my blog.  Do not leave another comment Pie or Sg.  I will delete it.  I am not in the mood for this right now.  I want real interaction...not head games.  Goodnight.

  • StupidGenius said on Feb 18, 2009....
    Oh the old escape act again truth? you should know that "if you write it then they will come" SG
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 18, 2009....
    Tired of defending the faith eh?    MHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    My plan to rid the world of religion is beginning to work!!!   hahahahaha!!!!

    I deny everything you said and for the last time..... the bible is a waste of paper!!!

    Virgins do not give birth to gods, magicians or goblins....  When you're dead, you stay dead.  You do not "rise".....(except in ER maybe) 

    And if you do believe in god, you do not need a church with priests to worship god.  Priests are prone to corruption and they are a little loopy in my opinion.

    The Pope and the catholic church is a great evil force on earth.  They do not have anything to do with god at all.  Jesus would shun them.  The church is one gigantic leech that sucks money and life out of a billion people.  They use guilt and fear to control.  All reasonable people should work to destroy the vatican and its entire church. 

    Then we can begin with the others.....  Islam, Judaism, Walt Disney, Scientology....  ALL OF THEM!!!!
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 18, 2009....

    Im with you pieter. I have been challenging all religions on soulcast and not one blogger has been able to construct a logical argument. Still, we live in hope ;)

    SG

  • BBGood said on Feb 18, 2009....
    SG PIE SHE TOLD YOU TO SHUT UP SO SHUT UP! DO YOU TWO HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO!!!!!  THIS BLOG IS OVER IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME YOU TWO ARE PROBABLY THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON SC I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR YOU GUYS.  THIS BLOG IS FROM AUGUST WHY DON'T ONE OF YOU TWO IDIOTS GO WRITE A BLOG YOUR SELF'S STUPID APES WHY DOES YOUR CONVERSATION REMIND ME OF TWO APES GROOMING EACH OTHER IN THE ZOO! 
    BBGOOD
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 18, 2009....
    Well, basically we still are apes.  Very sophisticated ones - granted, but we are all primates and we are practically identical in our genetic make up.  We EVOLVED from early ape-like ancestors....... 

    OH........ WAIT....................

    You don't think we did.......     <<<GASP!!>>>

    You think a fairy went POOOOF and made Disneyland and here we are....
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 19, 2009....

    Poor BBGood, the problem you have is that you are just another moron who can’t construct an argument. Instead you close your eyes to the world and say over and over again "There is a god, my mummy and daddy said so!"

    Grow up. Wake up and then learn something about the real world.

    SG 

  • PieterOpie said on Feb 19, 2009....
    It is exactly the same thing as believing in Santa....  except with Santa mummy and daddy eventually confess to the con job. 

    With the baby Jesus they don't.  They don't because their mummy and daddy never confessed and their's before them, and so on and so forth....

    But both Santa and the baby cheeses.... er, sorry... Jesus are both FICTION.


  • BBGood said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Stupid Pie I think you're the same person!
    And also you both need to wake up and smell the roses dudes you're a couple of idiots!
    Get over you're self's get a life!
    I have a challenge for you two!
    I want you two to read a Bible just pick one verse and of course if you don't read anything you two are cowards nothing but cowards I have got to go!
    BBGood
  • BBGood said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Oh and by the way Pie you're not funny.......boring.........(falling asleep slowly)....bye
  • PieterOpie said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Something is bothering BBGood.

    I feel it in my water. 
  • fearing said on Feb 19, 2009....

    Hey BBGood,

    How are you?  Well I hope.  Listen, don't take those guys too seriously.  Certainly don't take it personally hon.  Okay?  They can believe what they want to believe and we can do the same.  It doesn't bother me if they think I am foolish and my God is a joke.  Let them say it.  God will keep right on being God.  It won't change a thing.

    Just smile and keep right on believing sweetheart. 

    Your friend,

    Fearing 

  • philipharris said on Feb 19, 2009....
    I left this conversation a year ago and I see nothing has changed-so, add this to the mix:

     
    Is Lucifer humanity’s savior? Lucifer, the Light Bearer and THE MORNING STAR, is called, erroneously, the devil, serpent and Satan. He is pitted as the arch enemy of God, who tempted man to do evil and whose fate lies in a pit of fire. All very interesting, and all very wrong. If the ‘faithful’ would just do a little research they would find that Lucifer is not evil incarnate, nor is he the enemy of man and God, at least the true God. I sometimes, well most of the time; wonder if anyone actually reads the Bible. Here are some quotes with some phrases with some highlights:
    “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened. And ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
    And the Lord God said, Behold, this man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever…”
    And, of course, the so called God placed guards, Cherubims with flaming swords, to keep everyone away from the tree of life. Aside from the question, who is the US, God is referring to, it is clear that God said that man has become one of us, gods. It is the serpent who gave man wisdom and God who kept man from completing the transformation. It is the serpent, who the faithful call evil, interesting to say the least.

    The WAKING GOD TRILOGY explores this issue. One of its main characters, Mantrella (a.k.a. Lucifer) offers to Andrew and his friends a truer picture of the genesis and destiny of man. Is the Light Bringer really evil? Was God just pissed off because man would no longer sit around and sing praises? Was it really capital G, God, that banished Adam or a lesser g, god that did the deed? What did Jesus really mean when he clearly said, “DID I NOT SAY YE ARE GODS.”
    What follows are some interesting excerpts to ponder. Discover more in the TRILOGY.

    It is said of the Pentagram, “If an apple is cut in half across its equator then the pattern of the seed is revealed, a perfect five-pointed star or pentagram…Five, comprised of the feminine number 2 and the masculine number 3, is the number of harmony, of the union of opposites and of marriage. It is also the number of humankind because of the five points of the extremity of the human body. When Eve gave Adam the Apple of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden, therefore, it was not just a piece of fruit she was offering, but a potent symbol of wisdom.

    Eating the fruit that contains the pentagram resulted in a profound awakening for Adam and Eve…they realized they could make their own choices…The pentagram is the sign of Venus, both the planet known as THE MORNING STAR, and the Goddess.” (Secret Signs and Symbols, Nozedar)

    “There are no passages within the older parts of the Hebrew Scriptures where Satan is portrayed as an evil devil - the arch enemy of God and of humanity. At most, he is described as a henchman who carries out God's evil instructions. There is no dualism here between two powerful supernatural entities: an all-good God and an all-evil Satan. God is portrayed as performing, directly and indirectly, both kind and evil deeds. When:
    plagues are to be sent, or
    a great genocidal flood is created to kill off almost all of humanity, except for Noah and his family, or
    Onan was killed because he practiced an elementary form of birth control, in violation of a cultural tradition, or
    Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because its residents were abusive to the needy and to strangers, or
    Lot's wife is turned into a pillar of salt because she looked the wrong way,
    it is God who does it. In essence, the ancient writers of the early Hebrew Scriptures looked upon Jehovah as performing both good and evil deeds. A good indication of this is found in:
    Isaiah 45:6-7:
    "...I am the LORD and there is none else. I form the light and create darkness. I make peace an create evil. I the LORD do all these things." (KJV)
    or in Job 9:22-23:
    “... [God] destroys both the blameless and the wicked. When a scourge brings sudden death, he mocks the despair of the innocent." (i.e. laughs at the suffering of the victim)
    or in Lamentations 3:37-38:
    "Who has commanded and it came to pass, unless the Lord has ordained it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and evil come?"
    During the last three centuries before Christ's birth, the portrayal of Satan underwent a major change. The Zoroastrian / Persian dualism concept appeared in Jewish writing: God was now looked upon as wholly good; Satan as profoundly evil. History was seen as a battle between them. No longer was Satan simply God's prosecuting attorney, helper, or lackey. Satan, and his demons, were now humanity's greatest enemies.
    Author G. Messandé 1 theorizes that from the middle of the 5th century BCE until 53 BC and later, the Jews were on particularly good terms with the Persians. From the latter's religion, Zoroastrianism, the Jews picked up a number of concepts: the immortality of the soul, angels, and Satan. Of the 3 main divisions of Judaism (Essenes, Pharisees, Saducees) in the 1st century BCE, the Essenes seems to have focused the most on Satan.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

    you can read more at http://wakinggod1.blogspot.com  I am sure only the open minded will take a look!
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 19, 2009....

    BBGood, I have read the bible and probably know it better than you. I have read translations of the Torah and the Koran also. I was brought up in a mildly Christian family.

    The point is Understanding the bible, knowing where it came from and its history. If you just simply accept what you are told then you are no better than a sheep. You need to investigate for yourself. Increase your knowledge of that which you assume you know.

    I accept all challenges. I will discuss any section of the bible; I will discuss any point in religious history. I am ready, willing and able.

    I await your chosen topic.

    SG

  • StupidGenius said on Feb 19, 2009....

    Philipharris

    I found your post and link interesting. Unfortunately I don’t have any faith or belief in the supernatural. I did however enjoy watching the clip about the bilderburg group; I have watched many such programmes.

    I would recommend, Freedom to Fascism and Zeitgeist Addendum. You can watch them on Google videos in full for free.

    SG

  • PieterOpie said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Well PhillipH, I could not read much of that waffle, I'll tell you, nor do I want to. It's bad enough with all the regular stuff and then you drag that crap into it.

    It's all too much. 
  • philipharris said on Feb 19, 2009....
    I have seen the videos you mention and enjoyed them.  I remember a year ago when anyone disagreed with several people here it was called crap.  Just trying to balance the scales against religious zealots.  Religion is crap, that is the underlying theme of the WAKING GOD TRILOGY.

    Have fun!
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 19, 2009....

    Thanks Philip. I have been on soulcast for many years off and on and as an Atheist I have always locked horns with the bible bashers. Religion, god or the after life hold no fear for me. I dont fear death, I accept it.

    SG

  • BBGood said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Okay Fearing :)
  • BBGood said on Feb 19, 2009....
    You want to now what this is stupid this has been over for a long time Truth closed this blog get over you're self's!
    And I seriously doubt Truth is going to answer you guys!
    I also won't answer or even check back in this blog!
    BBGood out!
  • BBGood said on Feb 19, 2009....
    Will you two idiots leave truthsayer alone!

  • StupidGenius said on Feb 20, 2009....

    For someone who dosnt want anypart of this blog... you just made three posts after mine? I know you cant resist. You may stop now tho, I have nothing more to add.

    SG

  • lidstrom82 said on Feb 20, 2009....
    Looks like we got a bit of a "Big fish in a little pond" thing going here. Have a good swim, guys. :)
  • StupidGenius said on Feb 20, 2009....

    Theres that Cutting wit I missed Lid ;)

    SG

  • SILENCE-SED-THE-LORD said on May 05, 2009....
    well looking at all of theese posts my comment is there is a God why because if it were not for him my life would have ended and there for my brothers and sisters there are ignorants everywere we are and for the individual that does not beleve in satan i have something to tell you there is a devil that was once an angel and the Lord cast him out of heven for wanting to play the part of God and yes he does hate God And yes i pitty all whome take the Lord as a game to intertain them selves because when they burn in the iternal lake of fire they will have in mined the good Lord so my brothers and sisters lets not be botherd with the ones who live in flesh but do pray for them and there salvation God bless you all with love yours trully Silence sed the Lord
  • BBGood said on May 06, 2009....
    This blog will never stop......ahhhhhhh
  • anonymous said on May 06, 2009....

    Come on people get over it your all retards get over yourselfs

  • Spinoza said on May 08, 2009....
    The best that can be said about this is perhaps Descartes:
    Conquer yourself rather than the world.

      All Christians have sufficient of tasks to work on themselves. This may also be as a cleansing of the mind of the world in general, both spiritual and natural.
        Go to: http://ditliebfelderer.blogspot.com  for more details.  God Bless You!

Comment on "The Truth About satan..."


(Separate tags using commas, for example: New York, dating, vegetarian)
Comment Anonymously

As Christian's we learn that the just shall live by faith alone, so what is faith and how do we get it....
You do not have to live in bondage to things that you have done in the past nor things that others have done to you. Set yourself free through none other than through the Lord, Jesus Christ....