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What Time Is It?

truthsayer posted on Jul 29, 2007 | views: 313 | Tags: apocalypse, End Times, life death, Eternal Life, life, death, atonement
I have been skimming a book that my son bought for my birthday in April.  It is called, Apocalypse 2012, A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End.  It was written by Lawrence E. Joseph.     While I was weighing the pros and cons of reading the book:  How interesting is it and in that light, do I have enough time to read it right now?
 
I decided to do a little research on Mr. Joseph.  According to his bio, he is the "Chairman of the Board, Aerospace Consulting Corporation (AC2). AC2 is a plasma physics company based in Albuquerque, New Mexico corporation, which works with Sandia National Laboratories. We are developing the Vulcan Plasma Disintegrator, an ultra-high temperature (10,000 to 15,000 degrees K) furnace designed to completely dissociate highly toxic biological and chemical wastes, leaving no toxic residue."  Sounds impressive, doesn't it?  Impressive, and a little scary ; )  He, apparently is also an evolutionist.
 
You might remember him better from Strawberry Fields Forever: John Lennon Remembered (Bantam Books, 1980) which he co-authored.  I thought that was interesting.  He had a well rounded bio.  I found his website, and I liked it.  I also liked that he even posted a letter written to him by Tim LaHaye, the now famous minister and author of the Left Behind series.
 
I have decided to read it based upon his research too.  You see, I found it compelling that as a scientist, he has come to many of the same conclusions as the Bible.  He has studed indigenous people, like I have; and and he has studied major world religions and other religions, more obscure.  I can really relate to his research, so I am very interested in his conclusions.  He reports back to us, in a scientific manner, and in a way that uses humor to discuss very difficult and often scary topics. 
 
I am looking forward to my read.  But it made me think about all of you, here, on soulcast.  I was wondering what time you all believe it to be?  Do you think we are heading for the end times, or the end of time?  Or do you believe that the scientists and the theologians, most especially, the spiritual leaders of our present age, are all wet...'negged out' and just plain wrong?
 
What time is it anyway?
 
truthsayer     


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  • tbs230 said on Jul 29, 2007....
    Disclaimer: I am only 21, not much life experience to speak of, so please, take everything I say with a grain of salt.

    What time do I think it is? One of atonement. Something I think a lot of people are not understanding. At the end of this time, the world will change, whether for the better or not is ultimately up to us. Ask me how I know and all you'll get is a shrug. Call it a gut feeling, from someone who has a lot to atone for.
  • truthsayer said on Jul 29, 2007....

    21 or not tbs230, that is a very interesting comment.  It is a gut feeling?  I wonder how many, especially our young people, feel that way too. 

    Thanks for commenting tbs230  Share more, if you can.  I would be interested, especially because of your age : )

    truthsayer

  • fearing said on Jul 29, 2007....
    I think we are heading towards the end alright - "end times" that is.

  • beyondtheveil said on Jul 30, 2007....
    truth- There are so many reports of end times, I wouldn't have any idea which to listen to, so I don't listen to any.

    I do believe we are heading into the time of the greatest changes in human history due mainly to fast paced  technology and massive unrest combined for the first time. Whether that foretells end times I know not.

    There is much discussion of Dec. 21, 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar. I believe this to be the cycle conclusion of the precession of the equinoxes, an astronomical line up with the plane of the galaxy and nothing else (except it would start the Mayan calendar all over again).

    I don't know what the definition of end times would be. Religiously, I believe it would  mean change of humanity to a further stage of development. Let me say I don't know if any relevance should be placed on St. John the Devine's Revelations, a man who was oppressed by the Roman Empire. For instance, there easily could be much conquest, famine, pestilence, and death for the future, but I'm not convinced it would be motivated by God.

    It bothers me to take ancient writings literally. If there truly is an end time as spoken of by theologians, I don't expect it to be the end, but another beginning. Another beginning for humanity to advance.

    As far as scientist's predictions of end times are concerned, the ones they predict are natural cataclysms by chance or cycle. Even I can predict the possibility of a killer asteroid. Or the reverse of the magnetic poles.

    Maybe I should read your book.
  • truthsayer said on Jul 30, 2007....

    1Pe 4:17 For3754 the3588 time2540 is come that judgment2917 must begin756 at575 the3588 house3624 of God:2316 and1161 if1487 it first4412 begin at575 us,2257 what5101 shall the3588 end5056 be of them that obey not544 the3588 gospel2098 of God?2316

    I am posting this verse (from the KJV) for the benefit of tbs230. 

    Could this be the atonement, as you call it? 

    The gut feeling that you experience?

    Just a thought. 

    I post it for all Christians too.  We need to remember this admonition and warning from our brother in Christ, Peter, the rock.  He denied Christ three times.  Jesus DID ask him, after His ressurection, during one of the times He appeared to His disciples...not one time, but three times, for each time that he had denied Jesus, he had to answer each question posed by Him: 

    From the NLT, John 21:15-17

    1.  After breakfast Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?"  "Yes Lord, " Peter replied, "you know I love you."  " Then feed my lambs, " Jesus told him. 

    2.  Jesus repeated the question:  " Simon son of John, do you love me?"  " Yes, Lord, " Peter said, " you know I love you."  "Then take care of my sheep, " Jesus said. 

    3.  Once more he asked him, " Simon son of John, do you love me?"  Peter was grieved that Jesus asked the question a third time.  He said, "Lord, you know everything, You know I love you."  Jesus said, "Then feed my sheep."

    The numeric additions are mine folks.  The text is His ; )

  • truthsayer said on Jul 30, 2007....
    Hi fearing.  Yes, both the Old and New Testaments would agree with you.  As people turn against Israel and the Jewish people, as they turn against Christians and His bride...yes, we seem to be hastened toward the end by the hatred of nonbelievers and their hatred for all Biblical principles. 
     
    The canons of the Jews and the canons of the Christians are just more than the secular world can stomach.  They want their own way and will not be 'happy' until our faith-in-the-Lord-fires are extinguished. 
     
    Jesus will come and take His bride to His Father's house, as in Jewish tradition, because He is, after all, a Jew.  And He will protect His people Israel, and Judah, as one; when the whole world comes against them.  He will call to them and they will know Him in all of His Glory and Power. 
     
    Ezekiel 37 assures us that we will all be 'one in His hand', when Israel (the 10 tribes of Israel, the Northern kingdom that were scattered all over the world...also known as Joseph and in the hand of Ephraim)  and Judah (the Southern kingdom of Judah and also Benjamin) are reunited.  We will all have One Shepherd, Yahweh, Yahuweh, or Jehovah-Ruhi.  One Shepherd over all of us.  
     
    The 23rd Psalm says, "The Lord is my shepherd".  Selah.  Think of it, wonder about it.  Be with it.  Always lead in the paths of righteousness, for His name's sake...not in our righteousness, not for our name's sake, but in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, for HIS NAME'S SAKE.  So, our blessed future is assured.
     
     
     
        
  • truthsayer said on Jul 30, 2007....
    Greetings beyondtheveil!
     
    You said:
     
    It bothers me to take ancient writings literally.
     
    I know it bothers you.  But remember the three levels we spoke of, in earlier discussions.  God is a God of many more dimensions of reality than we can fathom...but we know that the Word is illustrative of at least three levels.
     
    Plus, it bothers everyone that isn't committed and surrendered to Jesus and our Father G-d, or to the Creator/Father G-d.  It is actually comforting to true believers.  It is comforting to all true Christians and true Jews alike.  Not the New Testament, of course, for true Jews...but we both find great comfort in Daniel and the rest of the major and minor prophets of the Old Testament. 
     
    This is a mystery that you cannot understand on your side of the veil, beyond.  You can only understand it from the other side of the veil.  It is not coincidence that you chose this nickname for yourself.  I know that you thought of it as it was related to NDE's, but it, like all of our 'names' carry more meaning than we can ever fully know.
     
    You also said:
     
    If there truly is an end time as spoken of by theologians, I don't expect it to be the end, but another beginning. Another beginning for humanity to advance.
     
    We are in the death throws, or in the birth process.  Life/death/LIFE.  Life/birth/LIFE.  Some will be born alive, some will be still born, in a way.  Everyone will have their chance to believe.  Not all will chose life.  He has set before us blessings and curses.  Some will choose curses.  He sets before us Life and death.  Some will choose death.  Some who believe will be spared, because they have but a little strength, but they have not denied Him.  Others who believe will not be hurt by the second death.  So, your analogies to death and birth and death and life are true. 
     
    I have one question for you though.  I mean it, as always, with all of the love in my heart.  How can humanity advance, if they continually reject their Maker?
     
    And for believers that may end up in the goat line, instead of the sheep line:
    Can a marriage be successful, if one continually breaks their marriage vows?
     
    These are just a few of my questions. 
     
    As to the scientist's predictions.  They just cannot envision that there is another side of the veil either.  They usually deny that there is even a veil ; )  But if you should decide to read this book, it says that he handles it with rare humor and that it is even uplifting.  So, I think you could read that with a fair amount of assurance that it would be interesting and not too depressing ; )
     
    If you want to know more about the meaning of the veil, something I have not told you yet.  Do ask me.
     
    Now, if you meant that you should read 'My Book' ; )  I think I had better get busy writing it again! 
     
    Much Love to you beyond,
     
    truth    
  • tbs230 said on Aug 02, 2007....
    Truth, that is very close to what I believe. I've never actually told anyone before now so discussing it is new to me. We as a people, have done so much in the name of God and Jesus, we profess our devotion and proceed to "pray" for the souls of non believers. But who are we to judge others? Who are we to murmur, "where are the stones?" While promising to keep these sinners in our thoughts and prayers?

    Are we not breaking a commandment? Are we not bearing false witness? We claim that these people are not righteous, that they are doing the Devil's work, that their souls are at risk because they do not know God, they do not know Jesus.

    But will not Jews and Gentiles alike know the face of Christ in the second coming? Does not the devotion that Muslims practice to Allah at times supersede those of "Once-a-week Christians"? Will not the naturalist who believes that every rock, tree, and animal is precious, will his soul not be worthy of God?

    Instead of pointing fingers, and rushing to convert others, should we not be looking inward to make arrangements within ourselves for the Second Coming? For there will be no mistaking Jesus this time, and will it not be those moments that count? When the Jews and Christians rejoice at the coming of their messiah, when everyone can look upon the face of the Lord and know within themselves that they have lived lives worthy of Paradise?

    We should be learning the troubles of our neighbors in order to serve them better, we should be tending his flock, as he asked us to. For each time we do for one of them, we do for him.
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 04, 2007....
    Oh TBS, wonderfully said.
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Dear tbs230:
     
    This is very special to your heart...so I must be gentle with you...for you are right...He says to be so : )  But He also said that He didn't come to bring peace...but to bring division.  We must never forget that, even if we do not understand exactly what He meant (I do understand, now that I am older, but I did not understand that, when I was your age...it was a mystery to me, that I had to accept on faith).
     
    You said:
     
    Are we not breaking a commandment? Are we not bearing false witness? We claim that these people are not righteous, that they are doing the Devil's work, that their souls are at risk because they do not know God, they do not know Jesus.

    But this is true tbs230...it should make you, and me, love them all the more.  If you saw a child that was playing with a rattle snake...would you do everything you could to snatch that child away from it, before it struck it and fatally wounded it?  Of course you would.  That's how real the devil is.  We must never forget that.

    If we understood that, we would never look the other way and say, 'oh well...live and let live', like I hear so many say.  We would do what we could and fast, to save that babie.  We are all "think-babies" in God's eyes.  We are His children...those of us that are His.  There are tares among the wheat though tbs...for now anyway.

    But will not Jews and Gentiles alike know the face of Christ in the second coming? Does not the devotion that Muslims practice to Allah at times supersede those of "Once-a-week Christians"? Will not the naturalist who believes that every rock, tree, and animal is precious, will his soul not be worthy of God?

    The Jews are different in that they are a chosen people...and yes, they will recognize Him when He delivers them, or when the church is removed, hidden or raptured.  I am not sure when, I only know that the Word says that they will know Him...but why must they suffer until then?  I don't know.  It is a mystery.  I have Jewish blood too, I am fairly certain...on both sides of my family.  So I have very strong ties to the Jewish people and the Northern Tribes/Israel/Ephraim as well.

    The Muslims are devoted, but to a false religion.  They are more obedient, devoted and dedicated than most professing Christians are.  But God made promises to them too.  He said that they would be a powerful nation and that they would be against everyone, and everyone would be against them.  True. 

    So, if they are deceived, and given to believe a powerful delusion...isn't it our place, if God calls us to witness to them, to do just what He says to do?  It is always our place to do what God's written Word and His rhema Word says to do...in all things, with all people. 

    When a Muslim converts to Christianity, they usually carry that sense of obedience, devotion and dedication into their new and true faith...but they have something else that most Christians seem to lack:  They have a true sense of freedom and ever lasting gratitude for Jesus...the One that died for them...instead of a god that asked them to die for him.  They know what it means to be bound, deceived and oppressed.  They don't want anyone to suffer like that ever again.  So, when they can share their faith (as they cannot in Muslim countries), they do, and passionately. 

    Instead of pointing fingers, and rushing to convert others, should we not be looking inward to make arrangements within ourselves for the Second Coming?

    Yes, we should be looking inward...and admitting that we are our brother's keeper.  We cannot go ramming the Gospel down the throats of others...but, we must obey the Word of God.  He says we overcome the devil by the Blood of the Lamb and the power of our testimony.  Just looking inward and talking to ourselves hardly helps our lost brothers and sisters to come home...before the Second Coming. 

    Why would we leave others to suffer the tribulation, if they might be spared?  Remember Jesus is the One that said:  Pray that you might be spared.  Why would we leave our responsibilities undone, just to cover our own hinies, so to speak? : )

     For there will be no mistaking Jesus this time, and will it not be those moments that count? When the Jews and Christians rejoice at the coming of their messiah, when everyone can look upon the face of the Lord and know within themselves that they have lived lives worthy of Paradise?

    Just remember this:  No one is good save for God.  No one can be worthy in and of themselves.  We trade our soiled filthy rags for His Garment...We put on Him...He is our Righteousness.  No one is "worthy" of paradise without Him...no one.  "Beware those who say 'peace, peace' where there is none"...Jesus said that, not me.  Worthy is the Lamb.  When I believe in Him, I also believe that I was crucified with Him, died with Him, and resurrected, or Born Again, with Him. 

    Some will recognize Him too late...some will bend their knee and bow to Him...even satan will do that you know...but he will not be with us in heaven, or on earth, for a very long time.  He will be loosed once more, for God's purposes again.  But that will be revealed long after the Second Coming and at the end of the Millenial Reign of Jesus. 

    I don't want anyone that I am assigned to, to suffer because I shrunk from my duty, my honor, and my good pleasure, of doing my Father's will.  He wants that none should be lost...but, He is depending on us to be His hands, His feet, His mouth and His eyes...compassionate love and tender mercies.  That's my next blog.  Keep an eye out for it tbs230, this blog and your comments...and other's comments, have inspired it.

    This is true, and it is why I do, what I do...

    We should be learning the troubles of our neighbors in order to serve them better, we should be tending his flock, as he asked us to. For each time we do for one of them, we do for him.

    I do not want to be found by Jesus, to be one of the goats, that refused to do what the Lord has told me to do.  There is a dividing going on...He is dividing the sheep (obedient, loving, true, and fully submitted and surrendered to Jesus Christ) from the goats (willful, disobedient, self serving, complacent, self satisfied or ones that only appear to be in the flock...also a herd animal, but a different 'species'). 

    But we gotta love them too, along The Way.  He told us to pray for our enemies because many of them are actually our friends in Him...whether they know it yet or not...and, some of our friends will be turned away from Him as He says: Get away from Me, for I never knew you.  Judgement started in the house of God right after Jesus death.  If we shrink back from our duty, our responsibility and our honor...doing the will of God, He will take no pleasure in us.  He is counting on us to gather the members of His Body...One New Man.

    This is how "the bride" is perfected and prepared for Him.

    Did  that make sense to you?  I think it ended up very long. 

    God bless you tbs230, you have good questions, thoughts and insights.  Keep it up dear.  I still pray for Haiti.  How are things at "home" now? 

    Love in Christ,

    truthsayer 

     
     
  • truthsayer said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Greetings Suddenrain.  tbs230 is a beautiful young lady.  She has a big loving heart and Jesus loves her very much.  Isn't it amazing that He has all the love, truth and understanding that we all need?  Every one of us?  And we are all so different, yet connected. 
     
    Thanks for commenting.  Sorry this took me so long ladies.  I hope you both see my comments back to you, today.
     
    Blessings,
     
    truthsayer
  • Suddenrain said on Aug 14, 2007....
    I do so enjoy your posts and your readers Truth.  :-)

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