Many today say Jesus was a prophet and not The Son Of God. This discounts Christianity, Jesus, religion and God. I guess many said the same thing back then huh?
Welcome back Truth............
Oh thanks Mamie-girl. I am back and doing very well. Big changes, big hope, and a big stomp on the head of that dirty serpent!!! "Take that you devil!" ; )
Ok...I feel much better now : )
Yes, some say that. What else have you heard people say?
truth
Yes fearing, you notice that there weren't quite as many ( ; ^ ) comments in here, as there were in SeanR's post about Jesus. In there, since people know that he is a professing athiest, many feel free to comment, as they either agree with him, and/or they are afraid that he may 'switch sides', so they want to be around commenting so as to disuade him, or shame him into continuing on the same doubtful road he has been on for the last 5-10 years now.
Before that, he was a Christian that believed in G-d and in Jesus, as the One sent by G-d. Like so many that have commented that they are now professing athiests, and were before, believing Christians. You would find the same thing in Judaism, if they had not become so secular. Even their athiests are still allowed to call themselves Jews.
But on with my athiest/ex-Christian discussion. I wish they had the candor and transparency to tell us what was done to them, or not done for them, by other Christians. How will we know and correct ourselves, if they always refuse to tell us what happened? Perhaps they keep it to themselves, because in their anger (quite probably justified) they want, or hope that the Body of Christ, the church will fail, and continue to fail them. Like in a bitter divorce. The jilted, angry and hurt spouse rarely wishes the best for their lost love mate. They secretly, or openly wish for their failure and even for their demise, in some cases.
I suspect this is a common scenario in divorce and with leaving the church. If there is forgiveness, then both can heal; and often, there is some restitution, or amends that must be made. As long as the angry and hurt ex-spouse keeps their secret...there can be no amends, no restitution, no forgiveness...and that is their revenge. As long as that hurt, that offense is kept secret...their revenge is secure in their minds.
On With The Second Question
Jesus asked his disciples two questions. They were paramount. He gathered so much information about the people at large, the Jews in power in that day, and his disciples, that we cannot risk leaving this forum without asking the same questions of others, and of ourselves.
You can sum up your faith, or lack of it, by answering these two questions; and that is why I left this blog open to athiests and agnostics, as well as believers in the Creator G-d, and believers in the Creator and Jesus (Christians).
Question #1 is stated above: "Jesus said: Who do men say that I am?"
Question #2 was asked only after they had exhausted the first question.
You (fearing) and mobil covered things quite nicely, so I am going to ask the next and final question of all of us...even the other 60 some people that have read this, but have thus far, chosen not to comment. ; )
Question #2: Then, Jesus asked his disciples:
WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?
Mamie must only interact with other believing Christians : ) I suspect that she believes those things herself. Not just that others say that ; ) Mamie is a lady of faith herself! Right Mamie? : D
Jesus questions lead me to a third question for all of us. I dare the athiests and agnostics to participate. It involves everyone in this life, and some of us, in the next life. I will not post that question until some of our favorite athiests, agnostics, pagans and heathens ; ) have decided to share in this commitment to make THIS LIFE better...even if they do not believe in the Next Life, Eternal Life, The Kingdom of G-d, or Heaven.
A Note, To All Who Read This, But Did NOT COMMENT:
I hope you will reconsider your 'observer only' stance. I truly hope and pray that you will participate. We are all interdependent in this life. This is supposed to be humans depending on humans, side by side, right? That is what kelly and others say that I do not understand. Yet, when I invite them to participate in a healing, dealing event...they seem to prefer to stick with their own 'kind'. Pity. We could do so much if we all worked together, as you claim to want to.
Blessings to all who will receive them,
truthsayer
This scripture is for jilted former Christians, and professing athiests:
1Pe 4:17 For3754 the3588 time2540 is come that judgment2917 must begin756 at575 the3588 house3624 of God:2316 and1161 if1487 it first4412 begin at575 us,2257 what5101 shall the3588 end5056 be of them that obey not544 the3588 gospel2098 of God?2316
Judgement begins in the House of God...
Then I guess this scripture is for all of us, in the end, isn't it?
Truthsayer
He is the Beginning and the End. Amen.
I am sorry I havn't gotton to your posts sooner Truth. I hope I havn't offended you.
I am not very offendable Suddenrain : ) I choose when to take offense...and I can't imagine taking offense at anything you have ever, or would ever say to me either : ) I don't know how I missed the comments on this post. I am working on catching up a bit today. I did send you another message. Did you get it?
Blessings,
truthsayer