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courtesy of slashdot...

short version: a computer security group has found a way to take complete control over an iphone, which can be used to obtain all data on the phone, however personal. this can be accomplished by sending a link to a hostile website, and although the article mentions what seems like a second method via wifi, that is either not the case or was not elaborated upon. long version here.

commentary: what i find most interesting was the observation of one mr. steven bellovin, a comp sci instructor at columbia university:

bellovin quoth:
“we’ve been hearing for a few years now that viruses and worms were going to be a problem on cellphones as they became a little more powerful, and we’re there,” he said. the iphone is a full-fledged computer [emphasis mine], he noted, “and sure enough, it’s got computer-grade problems.”

i hadn’t been thinking of the iphone in those terms, but he’s absolutely right.

has anybody scored an iphone? if so, how's it treating you so far?

ed

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  • CreativeWoman said on Jul 23, 2007....
    I don't have an iPhone, but I really like the concept.  I think I would be addicted to the darn thing though.  :-)  Maybe it's best I don't have one.

    Do they come with any virus protection at all I wonder?

    CW
  • tbs230 said on Jul 23, 2007....
    A few of my friends got the iphone. I feel that it's worth waiting a couple of years simply because there are no security measures for things such as viruses, if the phone breaks or obtains any type of damage, you have no insurance. And they don't know what the issues will be. basically, anyone walking around with an iphone is a guinea pig. There will be hundreds of updates and the only why to get them is to buy a new phone.

    If I'm spending 600 dollars, then that phone better be fool proof, and there better excellent customer service.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 23, 2007....
    CW: i suspect that they feel that the most that happens to a phone is that it needs rebooting? it's why there isn't a roaring business in PDA anti-virus software, i think.

    tbs: see, that's sorta how i feel about it, too. :>

    ed
  • Lysander said on Jul 23, 2007....
    Brent has one and loves it. He plays with it all the time.

    I don't have one because I am an employee and we are discouraged from getting one at this time.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 23, 2007....
    ah lys...always good to see you again. :>

    glad that brent's got one. i'm surprised you're being discouraged from getting one yourself, to be honest. limited quantities available, something else, can you say?

    ed
  • tbs230 said on Jul 23, 2007....
    Whoa. REALLY?!?! I'm definitely waiting too.

    Lysander, let me know when they give you the go ahead!
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 23, 2007....
    amen to that!

    ed
  • kelly said on Aug 11, 2007....
    You've probably already figured this out, but it wasn't really an iPhone specific hack.  It was a bug in the Safari web browser that was exploited.  Rebooting a phone won't clear it of viruses, by the way.

    "A few of my friends got the iphone. I feel that it's worth waiting a couple of years simply because there are no security measures for things such as viruses, if the phone breaks or obtains any type of damage, you have no insurance. And they don't know what the issues will be. basically, anyone walking around with an iphone is a guinea pig. There will be hundreds of updates and the only why to get them is to buy a new phone.

    If I'm spending 600 dollars, then that phone better be fool proof, and there better excellent customer service."

    No offense meant here, but most of this is incorrect.  The phone is based on Apple's OS X operating system so of course there can be virus protection.  But the exploit was not a virus, as I understand it.  In other words, they found a way in, but self-replicating code was not installed that could spread to other phones.

    Updates won't require buying a new phone.  They will be software upgrades.  If you bought the extra Apple Care plan you'll have 3 years of great customer service.  Try getting that out of your current phone company.

    You may feel that a $600 phone should be foolproof, but it's much cheaper than your computer and you never demanded that it be foolproof, did you?  A Windows machine hooked up to the internet without anti-virus software is toast within minutes. 
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 11, 2007....
    kelly: most of us have much lower expectations WRT windoze. :D good point re: safari being the vulnerability and a reminder re: the correct definition re: virus. :>

    ed
  • kelly said on Aug 11, 2007....
    silverwhisperkelly: most of us have much lower expectations WRT windoze.

    I'm not so sure.  If that's so then to what do you attribute the huge popularity of Windows.  The Stockholm syndrome?  ;-)
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 12, 2007....
    actually, i chalk that up to the fact that mac is expensive and linux is simply not as user-friendly. if macs and PCs were at the same price point, redmond would be a memory, IMHO.

    we've gotten accustomed to the BSOD, the vulcan nerve pinch (ctl-alt-del), a 5 minute boot process, and most users never learn of alternatives. we expect that when we encounter a problem, we reboot the machine.

    our expectations haven't been lowered half so much as they've been buried, IMHO.

    ed
  • kelly said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Really?  Is $1200 considered pricey these days?

    I'm a little out of it when it comes to PC prices, but I have heard other people make comparisons based on what you actually need to buy to create similar systems (not just the advertised price) and the Mac almost always comes out nearly the same.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 13, 2007....
    well, it's hard to do an apples: apples comparison, kelly, owing in no small part to the leanness of OS X and its fewer demands on a processor. but based upon the specs i'm seeing in that linked page, a comparable win box would be around a good $400 or so less expensive, i think--am thinking specifically of dell boxes by way of comparison..

    ed
  • kelly said on Aug 13, 2007....
    Including a monitor?

    Still, I find it hard to believe that people experience as much trouble with Windows as you allude to.  When there are alternatives people won't generally sign up to be beaten over the head repeatedly!  In fact, I thought the BSOD was something of a thing of the past.

    I have plenty of reasons for using a Mac, but I realize the reasons I have won't matter to most people (most people don't even care about interface usability issues) so I don't do a hard sell on Apple.
  • silverwhisper said on Aug 13, 2007....
    yes, including a monitor.

    the BSOD is indeed a pre-XP issue, although i've gotten an XP box to blue screen once. XP is a whole lot more stable than previous incarnations of the OS. i was just taking the opportunity to indulge in a bit of snark. :D

    ed

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