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short version: this is interesting—a columnist ran a test to verify something long alleged about microsoft’s paid hotmail service. the allegation? that hotmail simply nukes e-mails that have attachments. the test results: based upon 100 e-mails sent at various times through various ISPs and using only the web-based interface rather than any e-mail clients such as outlook or thunderbird, 81 were lost. long version here.

commentary: while the linked article alleges mail fraud (i’m not at all clear on whether the same laws that govern snail mail also govern e-mail), i think that’s way overstating the case here. but i think there are 2 key questions that do remain:

1) for paid accounts, is it fair to say you offer mail service if e-mails with attachments fail to be delivered or sent by you? fraud or deceptive advertising laws would certainly apply in this case.

2) why use hotmail when better alternatives exist, such as gmail? does anybody use hotmail? even with a paid hotmail account you get 2 gigabytes of storage vs the 25+ gigabytes you would get with gmail. for free.

does anybody have any more information about hotmail accounts, either free or paid?

ed

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  • MissMimi said on Jul 20, 2007....

    I have a hotmail account that I used to use all the time.  There are a couple things I don't like about it.  It doesn't automatically save a copy of e-mails you send in your Sent folder, and if by chance you remember to check the Save box, they're only saved for 30 days.

    I only keep it active because there are e-mails there that I still want to keep.

  • fearing said on Jul 20, 2007....
    I had a hotmail acct.  HATED it.  I could not tell you why since it has been so long since I even bothered to look at it.  I love my yahoo acct. and I like features in gmail even better. 
  • tizzygirl said on Jul 20, 2007....
    I did have a hotmail account--the free one and it tended to nuke ME from existance on a regular basis.  I constantly had to re-open my account and in the process I would lose all my saved mail and contacts...so I of course went to gmail and am very happy there now! :)
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 20, 2007....
    *shrug* I'm basically with fearing. I had a free hotmail account years ago and it sucked compared to Yahoo. It had less storage space and a less intelligent junk mail filter at the time.

    Yahoo, to be fair, seems to drop certain emails with attachments as well - I've been tracking my photo emails and finding they send with about a 50/50 chance of arriving at their destination...and they're not over any size limit I'm aware of. Makes me wonder if they're not doing something similar (and this is not a paid account, fwiw).

    Gmail 4tw...it's just too much of a pain to close my primary account after so many years, so I have a secondary acct with Gmail for sending pictures (and chatting; I like that feature).

    ~Infernal
  • tizzygirl said on Jul 20, 2007....
    Infernal- on gmail I can't get the chat to work all the time...and its so slow, is it my computer or is that just normal?
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 20, 2007....
    mimi: you could always forward those e-mails to another mail service, if you were interested in doing so.

    fearing: what was it about hotmail that you disliked so much? i'll confess to being a bit surprised by the strength of your feeling on the matter.

    TG: holy crap, it nuked your own stuff?! WTF?! very strange about your problems w/ google chat--WTF?

    infernal: you know, you could always use POP3 and not worry about interfaces at all...and i love that you said gmail 4tw! :D

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 20, 2007....
    tizzy: It sounds like a computer/network problem to me - I haven't encountered that with Gmail, and I routinely chat with one person at night, so I think if it was Gmail's problem it would have shown up for me as well.

    ed: Mehhhh...I could, I suppose. And uh, oops (D2 necro voice) - I think my inner gamer slipped out for a sec. ;-)

    ~Infernal
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 20, 2007....
    [trout-smacks infernal]

    me likey the POP3...n00b. :D

    ed
  • fearing said on Jul 20, 2007....
    Ed, it's been ages since I've even seen my hotmail acct.  I remember thinking it wasn't user friendly and it was very blah.  
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 20, 2007....
    I just had a shower! :-D

    I suppose someone has to like it, even if it is t3h suxx0rz. (Man, you and the Mrs. need to get sucked into Guild Wars at some point or other...)

    ~Infernal
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 20, 2007....
    fearing: fair enough. :>

    infernal: sorry, we're not l337, we use dial-up at home. you know, if we keep up w/ the l337, i might be tempted to write a new installment in on the nature of all in l337... :D

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 20, 2007....
    Ah, gotcha. Our 'net is bundled with cable and it's cheaper than anything we'd get separately; otherwise I'd probably be in the same boat.

    An entire entry in l337? *gamer wrestles with English major and loses*

    You have NO idea what it does to my colors to try to read l337...and I think I'd have to see it to believe it. ;-)

    ~Infernal
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 20, 2007....
    don't tempt me, you. :p

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 20, 2007....
    Would I do a thing like that? *tries hard to look innocent and not crack up*

    ~Infernal
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 20, 2007....
    you? heaven forfend!
  • bloc said on Jul 20, 2007....
    gmail, gmail, gmail
    oh yea, gmail

    seriously, hotmail is terrible and yahoo is only marginally better. gmail rocks.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 21, 2007....
    i have no experience w/ hotmail or yahoo mail, i have to say so i'll take that on faith. :>

    ed
  • rupert7 said on Jul 21, 2007....
    I have a free hotmail account and have never had any problems with it. Then again I don't use it all that much. I also have a Yahoo,account,A Care2 account and a aapt account! I had a gmail account also but ditched it,I mean how many accounts does one person need?
  • evil_twin said on Jul 21, 2007....
    I'm another fan of Gmail. It's the best email service I've tried. Hotmail was my very first email account, and at first it seemed alright. But I got a TON of spam and viruses sent to me, and the filter seemed totally useless. My inbox would be filled with crap and it was too hard to wade through it to get to the actual mail meant for me.

    So I switched to Yahoo mail for a long time. It seemed alright, but once Gmail launched, I was much more satisfied with that. I use it for everything. I have several accounts, and even use it to store files so that if something happened to my computers, or the disks I have, I'd still have copies of important stuff floating around out there.

    -evil_twin LA
  • lyssa said on Jul 22, 2007....
    I had my hotmail account since 10 yrs ago. Over the years, it has gotten better - maybe only for me? I have had no problems whatsoever so far and I've been using the account as the username is my first name so that reminds me how unique my name is *smile*.
     
    With the Beta version, it has gotten even better! It saves your 'sent' emails automatically and wouldn't delete unless you do it yourself. I have Gmail which I only use to store my big files.
     
    Just thought I'd leave my 2 cents worth on this matter.. *smile*
     
     
  • kelly said on Jul 22, 2007....
    Heh.  I was taking a computer science course last year and the instructor was asking people for their email addresses as he called roll.  Someone piped up with a Hotmail address and he practically dressed him down.  He said that we were computer science students for crying out loud.  It was time to grow up and get a real email account.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 23, 2007....
    rupert: honestly, for anything that's worthwhile, i always migrate people (that are actually people i wanna stay in touch with) to my gmail account, myself.

    e_t: i too use gmail as online storage. 25gb of storage? i'm there!

    lyssa: hey there, welcome to my blog and thanks for visiting! yeah, i'm a huge fan of gmail, too. :D

    kelly: bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    ed
  • lyssa said on Jul 24, 2007....
    thanks for welcoming me to SC! i really like reading your blog!!
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 24, 2007....
    you're welcome, lyssa, and thank you! i see a number of folks have already done the same. :>

    ed

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