Well, first I have to ramble a bit, set the scene, almost:
 
I'm single & celebate & have been for nearly 7 yrs. I'm ok with it, pretty comfortable with it and it's been a refreshing change to the 'business' of my life in the past. I haven't felt a need as yet to change it & haven't yet met anyone that I'm prepared to drop the guard for.
All this info is actually irrelevant to the real intention of my post, so why I felt the 'history' necessary...................who knows?
Anyway..........before you go to sleep........I SAID WAKE UP......................(ok I really have to do something about this digressing problem I have)
Back to my post (finaly)...........I bumped into this guy at the coffee shop at our church. He was...well, I have to be blunt......he was whining about how unfriendly people are in the church, can't make friends, snobs etc etc. The thing is, I've been there you know.....many times...at the church that I consider my home from home for the past 6 yrs...in fact STILL think there are snobs, difficult people (I mean, ME for example).......so I tried to put my 2 cents worth of encouragement. He was angry that certain people didn't greet him to which I added that though I am a LOUD person (throw back from my theatre days or just a plain drama queen?) I am actually EXTREMELY shy though I may seem extroverted & it is really hard...it take ages to warm up to people. I also happen to know the person they were talking about.......there are few people I like (aren't I bad) but when I like them I like them HARD....like I could punch someone's mouth for bad mouthing them.......but since I'm trying really hard with this compassion thing & being a shining light, I decided not to take the route of splitting his lip. Besides, I am really very compassionate - in a hard-arsed sort of way ('scuse the language - it just fitted there.) So, I told him cut them some slack, they're not shunning you, they're also shy, & one of the other people you've mentioned is basically going through hell (& - aside - BTW punk I really admire the brave face they are putting up)...back to being sweet to this guy.....etc.....It wasn't just me, actually I just dropped in on his conversation with someone else.........
Ok ok, I'm boring you.....cut to the chase.......I saw him alone at the coffee shop (at our church) a couple of times, so would stop by now & then & say hi, things going better etc......I don't like to see someone feel like the kid left out at the playground......& I tend to forget about gender stuff........unless someone really hot walks by & I look....I am human after all....but that's all (I mean for now - unless someone amazing comes along)......digressing again.......but in conversations with people, especilly if it's someone a bit down & out....I tend to forget about the gender stuff. And it's not like I rushed to him every week. I've greeted him maybe 3 times in 7 weeks...I dunno, wasn't counting. Then one Sunday I walked past him, he smiled & I asked a generic how things going? To which he answered - better now that I've seen you....and inside I rolled my eyes. Outwardly. it was a small smile & 'bye' (short & sweet - no complications). That Sunday night I went back to church because of a speaker I wanted to hear (for the record I don't always go am & pm; in fact I don't go every Sunday ... gasp)................digressing again.
At the end of church that night, I was chatting to someone and out of the corner of my eye I saw him.................lurking...........dinkem (no kidding) ...he was lurking, waiting for me to finish...I could see, it was like.... he was almost crouching for a pounce......
So I grabbed a passing friend & hissed walk with me & make it look like we're taliking about something important (she's an elder & pastor's wife so her being a sort of authority figure helped to keep him at bay, I think.) I love her to bits, she did the role so well. we walked around the church looking for my daughter & the whole time I could see him lurking & following behind......I should have seen this coming, I know. And because we couldn't lose him, she walked me "deep in conversation" all the way to my car - need I mention it was a cold night.....fortunately I escaped, but............
I missed church the next week, but on the second week (you've got to admire his patience, I suppose), he pounced on me by surprise. I'm not good at surprise attacks...I flounder....I need to prepare & steel myself for confrontations..........
"V..... I hope you won't be offended if I ask you something (silence & frightened grin from me)....would you like to go out for coffee
(no, I think you're a wierdo) "...um..."
"you don't have to answer now, just pray about it & let me know"
(don't you just HATE that, it's so cheesy ....slimy......it's so loaded....like 'see, what a good guy I am with such good intentions, see how spiritual I'm being about this'......what a load of bull......like I need to pray over a cup of coffee....DO ME A FAVOUR..............manipulative...)
So what is my response.....(oh, I should get a geek award for this one)...I said,
"I'm not offended, just as long as you won't be offended if i say no. I'll let you know next week".....
WHAT?.......why didn't I just say no....what a coward..........NOW, when I tell him no, I'm going to have to tell him why......because I just KNOW he's going to ask why.
 
I'm a geek, I know. By the way, I'm no bombshell, but I'm not desperate either & IF I wanted action, I'm sure I could very well succeed....& again, I'm not desperate.
 
What am I going to say. This is not like the old days for me in pubs & clubs. (guy walks over, "would you like..."  "push off").
I'm too afraid of what to say...I don't want to be offensive. And I don't want to encourage anything. Maybe I'm just making a big deal out of nothing....being like a school kid. But I just don't want to be uncomforatble at church. Too much wierd 'stuff' (a swear word would fit better) has happened in my life. I've earned the right to avoid unpleasantries with men, no matter how small. Man, if i could list the...'stuff' (I so want to swear here again), I'm sure you'd agree with me.
 
Anyway, I'm being small & petty BUT if you've had the staying power to read through this...'stuff'......first off, you deserve a prize....second, maybe you could help with advise, encouragement....................please refrain from telling me what a shallow idiot b...uch I am, if you don't mind, I do know that already anyway...................


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  • D6fer said on Jul 18, 2007....

    jade....just say no...it won't kill either of you.....simply tell him that it is nothing personal, but you just are not interested in him in that way.

    I don't think that you are shallow at all.....we are attracted to one another for many reasons and who is to say what is shallow and what is not? The older I get, the more I respect women who are choosier on the basis of money for instance......what is wrong with being attracted to someone who is successful? Successful people are usually pretty good people for the most part....many are philanthropists....so what is wrong with narrowing the field? I am one who does not believe in "soulmates" I believe that there are thousands if not millions of potential mates for each of us....so don't feel bad....keep looking for mr right...or not looking....that's cool too!

  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    thanx D6fer. Truth is I find him a little creepy, maybe that's a strong word - uncomfortable would be better. And I'm getting myself worked up in anticipation to what his response might be. maybe it's a hint of past memories. probably I'm just being silly. I'm definately going to say no - I just don't know what to say if he asks why. But you're right, just a simple 'I'm not interested in you in that way' is the best route.
    thanx so much for taking the time to read & comment....
  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    By the way. thanx also for what you said about the money thing. my child's father was a financial drain. i don't desrve that - in fact, I've earned my stripes - I've done my rounds with punk-rockers, hippies, rough riding bikers & rasta's - and I don't have much to show for it. (maybe a novel if I was eloquent enough - or people were bored enough) but actually it's left me with nothing. I deserve to be treated well & my daughter deserves a good role model. So I have the right to be picky, even if it has narrowed the field a lot. This has been cathartic.......
    Again....thank you so much.......that was all I needed really........
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 18, 2007....
    "just pray about it"? are you frigging kidding me?!

    evidently, someone's been telling him that the hot new place to meet women is church. same rules apply as always, jadestar: be honest. d6 is right that you should tell him you aren't interested in him like that.

    ed
  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I know, the 'pray about' comment would crack me up if it didn't irritate me so much.
     
    ok, honesty best policy. & if he turns out to be wierdo about it, I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to rummage up the number of someone that breaks knee-caps for a living.........
     
    thanx for stopping by, ed
  • hotaka said on Jul 18, 2007....

    Yeah, just say no politely. "I appreciate the invitation but honestly I am not up for it. Thanks anyway." He might feel bad but hey, that's how it goes.

    A friend of mine used to live in Edmonton and because of the oil business, there were three times as many men as there were women in the bars. My friend was a really nice guy, very sweet and gentlemanly. He approached a woman and asked her, "Would you like to dance?" She replied with, "Do you like to ride horses?" A bit perplexed, my friend answered, "Yes, sure." To which she said, "Then saddle up and fuck off!" Now there was a nasty bitchy thing to say.

  • destinydiva said on Jul 18, 2007....
    you crack me up :-)  I'm a bad influence huh? I noticed a couple of swear words sneaking in there.... 
    just an idea... why dont you go on a date just for something to do? would save the hassle of explaining...then you can just say ..dont wanna go on another date cus you spilt spag.bol down your shirt or some other silly excuse??? 
    or ya never know....sparks may fly amidst the spaghetti!!  (why I'm assuming your gonna go on a date and eat spaghetti I have no idea....but hey at least if your stuck for ideas where to go I gave ya one ..assuming (again!!) your gonna go :-)



    Destiny x

    I know I'm not spose to be here cus I'm taking 'time out' but hey I'm addicted!! I'm just taking time out from my own blog and featured posts...and my conversations...and ermmm...right I'm offskies ....  :-)




  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    thanx for the comment.....I was worried about you....I may even have been close to getting into trouble defending you...............what can I say....I'm a geek
     
    Back to your comment....why not go?.........because he strikes me as even more geeky than I am....because if he can't impress me with anything he's said in the coffee shop at church, he's not going to impress me anywhere else.........because he comes across as way too intense.........it's scary..................but that may just be because of past experiences.........but I would rather spend energy with someone who cracks me up even if i know that it's not going to go anywhere.........
    and that "pray about it" comment.....................I dunno experience has taught me, trust my first instinct............who knows...........
    But I agree with what the men here have said - rather just be straight up & say no thanx
  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    hotaka, thanx for dropping by dude, you crack me up as always & your pearls of wisdom are appreciated here
  • exhibit_c said on Jul 18, 2007....
    They say that home is the place that, when you go there, they have to let you in. Churches pretty much feel they have to be everyone's home and let everyone in, so people with no social connections, perhaps aside from work, show up in churches for social rather than religious reasons. I don't think that's all bad; it's part of a church's role to help socialize people. And if this guy can't figure out how to talk to you without you finding it creepy, he needs some help.

    Frankly, as a church attender but skeptic, I find the 'pray about it' comment completely hollow, but I think it's part of the vocabulary in a lot of the more evangelical protestant churches. G. Bush might say it.

    I think you could say that you are happy to see him in church and at church functions (perhaps at a Bible study on the Letter to the Romans) but that it would be unfair to him to start seeing him away from church because you are quite content with your life and not looking for a boy friend.


  • exhibit_c said on Jul 18, 2007....
    By-the-way, I really like your stream of conciousness writing style.
  • jadestar said on Jul 18, 2007....
    thanx exhibit_c ....(on both comments...although i must admit, i don't know what you mean by 'conciousness writing style', sorry)
  • exhibit_c said on Jul 18, 2007....
    "stream of conciousness"

    writing all the thoughts down as the come to you instead of carefully
    editing to a tight narrative or just asking the final question.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Just say, "I prayed about it and God told me to say, No freakin' way.  God told me you were a pervert."

    :)
  • Suddenrain said on Jul 18, 2007....
    LoL Grape. I would just say I'm already (kind of) seeing someone else and don't want to mess that up. But I'm flattered you asked. That way his feelings aren't hurt but the point was made. I'm a firm believer in not hurting anyone if I can avoid it.
  • skald said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I have gotten my self into a predicament feeling sorry for people and not saying no at once. This was in my young days. When I said no right away there was no problem. Even if you have to be sharp it is better than saying maybe and not mean it. The truth is always best and you don't owe him an explanation why you won't go with him. Trust your instinct. I would not either like a lurking guy. Love Jo
  • Mamie said on Jul 18, 2007....

    @GRAPE!!! I am laughing my ass off over here!

    There you have it, the ultimate-- great answer!!

  • secretlife said on Jul 18, 2007....

    i guess you just have to say 'no'. you really don't owe him a 'reason'.

    you could say you aren't dating right now and leave it at that. 

    it's hard to be the new person.  i hope he finds a way to fit in at your church.

  • MsStar39 said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I don't understand why you won't go for a cup of coffee or something,
    I know how some people at church can be, you are apparently the only
     one that he considers a friend. If he gets out of line, tell him where to go.
    If you are totally against dating of any kind, tell him.
  • mobil said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Seven Years? Are you out of your mind? Not being nasty, maybe trying to be
    funny, BUT, find someone, don't hurry, BUT, not another seven years Jade.
     
    C'mon, there has to be somebody good down at the church right?
     
    Good luck..........and.............God Bless
  • fearing said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I can't say anything that hasn't already been said here.  I did want to comment and say I don't think you are being petty just because you aren't interested in him.  I admire you for having the guts to tell him not to be offended if you said no.  Good going!
  • tbs230 said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Everyone has given great advice...mine? Just say no...if he goes "but..." You reply, "no."

    Also, I have to say, Ed, church has ALWAYS been the place to go to get hot new action...I mean, hello?!?! Good looking and religious?!? That's a steal!!

    But that line was corny Jade, he gets no brownie points for that, and I vote for a nice resounding..."NO!"

    Ok, seriously...say, "Hey [insert name here], how are you? [I'm sure he'll approach you first]. Oh yeah, I've been thinking about it, and as much as having coffee would be nice, I'm just not in the market for that right now. Thank you for the offer though. [insert slight laughter here, smile, and slowly back away]"

    Good luck!
  • missb said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Hey Jadestar,

    Just marking. I have to go to class. Be back later!

    Cheers,
    B
  • jadestar said on Jul 19, 2007....
    Grape - your answer made me laugh so much!!!!!!
     
    Guys thanx so much! I didn't expect so much of a response!
     
    Good food for thought here.
     
  • hotaka said on Jul 19, 2007....
    Pearls of wisdom? So here is where I left them? No wonder I couldn't find any later on. Whatever you do, don't get them appraised. Don't tell anyone but they are fake!
  • jadestar said on Jul 19, 2007....
    yeh sure - down-play yourself hotaka - that always works ; - )
  • botoni said on Jul 19, 2007....
    Jadestar................Along with all the wise folks here I say be upfront. No is good but because you are a genuinely nice person let him down gently. 'I m flattered that you asked but I m just not at a point in my life that I m comfortable with going out.' If he cant take that with some grace and dignity then run for the hills, recruit everyone you can find to rescue you and run interference.
  • jadestar said on Jul 19, 2007....
    thanx botoni
  • jadestar said on Jul 19, 2007....
    skald / jo: sorry I missed your comment at first........hugs & kisses...thanx for your comment - good advice
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 19, 2007....
    tbs: i'll take your word for it, but most of the folks i see are already spoken for at my church. :>

    ed
  • tbs230 said on Jul 19, 2007....
    That's because they all met each other at church, Ed, I'm telling you. Although it doesn't necessarily mean the people aren't crazy. Church is the ultimate hook-up spot.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 19, 2007....
    somehow, the expression "hook-up" so doesn't belong with the word "church" to me!

    ed
  • inspiration2jms said on Jul 20, 2007....
    I have to agree with you silverwhisper, puts me in mind of the Sesame Street song, 'Which of these things belongs to the other, Which of these things just doesn't belong.'

    Partly because of the kindergarten tactics the dude is using for the 'hook-up'.

    Jadestar, have you ever thought that the reason you find it hard to say no is that you lack in self confidence.  It is typical of shy people.  (I just wrote a book about the subject)  We all have that human urge to be liked and that makes it hard at times to say no, add to that the obvious fact that you are a nice and considerate person and you have even more of an issue.
  • jadestar said on Jul 23, 2007....
    Inspiration: thanx for commenting on my posts. I would say that self confidence (or lack there of) is definately an issue with me. Very astute of you.

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