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Forbidden to smoke.

skald posted on Jul 17, 2007 | views: 967 | Tags: smoking, life, no smoking in public, MN, no smoking, smoke, Lifstyle, law

There is a new law in this country, since June 1st. It is forbidden to smoke in pups and other public places.
I don’t know when I went to a pub and it was some time since I went to a restaurant so when I was with my friends at Robin Hood yesterday I said “we are as far from the smokers as possible. They are allowed to smoke at the tables by that wall there” Ulla said at once no but there is a smoke ban now. Oh yes, I had forgotten all about it for the obvious reason I don’t smoke.
Last evening I was watching my East Enders and there seems to be the same prohibition there. One of the main characters Dot who works in the laundry was having a quiet cigarette there. Of course she was not allowed to and then the went into the pub, The Vic and was told by Peggy who ownes the pub that now it was not allowed to smoke there any more.
It is more than a year since this was prohibited in Ireland and I don’t know how it is going.
One of my first posts here was educational and was about the alcohol propitiation which was in this country from 1915. I deleted it will all my first posts. One SoulCaster asked me what was the point of my post and what it had to do with me. It was just some of my countries history.
And again this has nothing to do with the other prohibition.

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  • silverwhisper said on Jul 17, 2007....
    they have enacted similar anti-smoking laws in a number of US states--a similar law was passed in NY a year or 2 ago.

    ed
  • MissMimi said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Yes, we have a smoking ban in public places here as well.  I'm not a smoker, but sometimes I think legislation goes a bit too far.  When my daughter worked in a bar, she told me her boss was worried it would keep customers away.
     
    You're right, skald, because I'm not a smoker, I don't really notice those things.
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Ed.  Do you know how it is working. Are people alright about it or just all smoking outside and throwing stubbs all over the place.?
    MIssMimi.   I also think they might go too far even though I don't like people smoking and blowing smoke over me when I am eating out. Maybe there could be a middle way?
  • MissMimi said on Jul 17, 2007....
    There are some businesses here in the US that will only hire non-smokers.  This is going too far.  Soon there will probably be a law prohibiting smoking in our own homes.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 17, 2007....
    skald: well, from what i can tell, peope are smoking outdoors. evidently, it's led to an escalation in club violence: alcohol + more people outside = more fights, evidently.

    mimi: say what?! that should be illegal.

    ed
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Mimi.  Ed said it would be illegal but this was also my thought.
    Ed.  I think you are right bans are only to make things worse. Just like the alchohol ban was here and in your contry too. They had to give it up.
    Sure I´m not with smoking but this never seems to be the way. And I don't care if othes smoke if they don't do it in my face.

    In the old days we would all sit in the small kitchen at  home. My parents did not smoke but my aunt and uncle who were our geusts almost efery day did. No one thought any of it.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 17, 2007....
    see, i smoke, but i try to be considerate of non-smokers. when i smoke outside, i try to be away from the door so that non-smokers don't have to smell it.

    and when you come right down to it, i think that banning smoking in public areas, while a good concept, is going to have problems such as what i described above. i should point out that banning smoking in public areas isn't quite the same as banning it, period, which is what the prohibition era did so spectacularly unwisely.

    ed
  • quietone said on Jul 17, 2007....
    yes they just passed the law here in Vt that there is no smoking in public places, which leaves outside, with lots of butts...all over.  I can remember about 10 years ago I applied for a job, and they said right on the ap. that if you smoke don't bother applying.  I was really mad.  Because right below that it said "we do not discriminate etc..".  Well, now I am glad to say I am an ex-smoker of about 7 years.  so far, there has not been much of a problem with smokers going outside...yet.
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Ed.  Again I must admit you are right.
    quiet. Congratulations on being x smoker. You are right it is a discrimination not hiring smokers. They could say that smoking is forbidden in the firma and leave it to the applicant to decide weather he wants to work there or not.
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Ed.  I also ment to say that I know that you are considerate. 
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 17, 2007....
    why thank you, skald. that's very sweet of you.

    quietone: congratulations on having quit!

    ed
  • quietone said on Jul 17, 2007....
    thanks ed, it wasn't easy! but I am so glad I am free of that little thing that had so much control over me.
  • quietone said on Jul 17, 2007....

    What I don't understand is (and probably just as unpopular subject) why do they still have alcohol so wide spread?  I think that does way more harm than smoking does.  As I said often, I would much rather ride in a car with one who smokes 6 cigarettes than one that has had 6 beers.  And alcohol causes lots of health issues as well.  Oh, sore subject with me, I guess.  Maybe I should blog about that.

  • silverwhisper said on Jul 17, 2007....
    quietone: um...alcohol is popular b/c the last time they tried to do something about it in the US, we wound up with prohibition. outlawing a very popular thing results in lost lives and criminal activity.

    o, and you're welcome. :>

    ed
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    quiet.  i would not like to go in a car with either but still prefer the smoker. Anyway alcohol in small quantity can not harm.
    Ed.  You are right the history shows how it went. Only thing that can be done is a  change the way of thinking. Hope I make my self clear.
  • MissMimi said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Ed I think the reasoning re: hiring only non-smokers is that employees who smoke tend to make more use of their health insurance for smoking related health problems, thus raising insurance costs.
     
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Sorry I guess I did not take in account that some people are alcoholics and they can not endure alcohol. I was not talking about them when I said that alcohol in small quantity was OK. 
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Mimi.  Some bosses think they get more out of non smokers. They don't take smoke pauses. And some working places like to boast of being smoke free. The insurance thing is very American. Here you have your health insurance which is the same for all of us. At least until  now. 
  • polarheart said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Skald, the UK no smoking policy came into effect on 1 July 2007. . .most smokers seem to be coping just fine :-)
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Polar. This is why they are showing this in EastEnders now. Thank you so much my dear friend.  Good to hear they are coping. Luv Jo 
  • wombat said on Jul 17, 2007....
    They are attempting to pass this same law here in my state where I am now living.  I am sympathetic to non-smokers, but, as a smoker, I get a little miffed.  I feel like an outcast--even on New Year's Eve I was at a party where you couldn't smoke.  I kept leaving my drink and going outside (couldn't take that outside) then back in.  It threw me off kilter and I didn't have much of a good time.  I know--I am a "bad smoker" and didn't deserve to, right?  Which is why, it is more fun for me to stay home if I am going to drink and smoke.  Only now, I am smoking only outdoors, in respect to my hubby who has quit!  When I disappear from here for 10-15 minutes and don't immediately answer someone I am "talking to", it is because I am out on the deck, having a smoke.  But at least I can take my drink, if I have one!  P.S.  The last place we lived in, I couldn't drink outside, but I could smoke!
  • skald said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Wombie. Which state is that? 
  • wombat said on Jul 17, 2007....
    I misled you, skald.  It was an apartment  complex where you couldn't drink outside, but could, of course smoke.  (In the same state I am in now.)  Keeping in mind, that, in the city limits in my previous city and state, you couldn't legally drink outside on your own porch.  If you were in your vehicle, listening to the radio, drinking--and with no intention of going anywhere--the cops could still get you for Driving Under the Influence.  (The keys in the ignition)  If they were so inclined to push it.
  • botoni said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Our city has banned smoking in all indoor public places. That also includes outdoor patios. Our hospitals all have no smoking on the grounds regulations. I am a smoker myself adn I see many merits to some of these regulations. Some bars here have provided outdoor smoking areas but as has been mentioned it is often a case of abandoning a drink and conversation to go for a smoke. I appreciate a smoke frey environment myself but I think there are some excesses in the banning thing. It would be nice if businesses could choose to be smoking or not. The simple posting of signs would alert customers as to the situation and the customers could make their own choices. I realize that there is a risk factor for employees but if companys can hire non smokers only they surely can hire smokers only too. Can you just imagine all the hoopla my proposal would make? LOL. Just leave me a 9 square foot cube of ground somewhere that is mine to smoke tidily on. Please.
  • wombat said on Jul 17, 2007....

    Yea, botoni!  There you go!  Every establishment has smoking/drinking and drinking/non-smoking areas.  Is it coming to that?  Nah...It is smokers who are outside...  But what if you smoke and don't drink?  At least it will be the drinkers who are being followed home by the police. The smokers will be on the steps watching...and if you are a drinker, your warm drink is sitting inside on a lonely table....ha...

    (I know, this is crazy....) That's the point.

  • Eilan said on Jul 17, 2007....
    My concern with smoking bans and particularly with employers who only hire nonsmokers is where it's going to end.  What if an employer decides not to hire anyone who's obese or eats at McDonald's or has had unprotected sex because their medical costs might be higher?

    I'm a nonsmoker and my husband smokes the occasional cigar and/or pipe, though not in our house and not around our daughters.


  • wombat said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Elian:  My point exactly...where do you draw the line on anything?  But they are sure at work on it...
  • botoni said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Now we re getting it! Lets make more regulations! After all, we the commoners are not capable of making our own choices. HELLO?
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 17, 2007....
    I tend to have a rather inflammatory point of view re: smoking itself, but tbh, as long as you keep it away from me and my children, I can respect you and your right to smoke.

    That said, I tend to be in favor of limiting where people may smoke in public (though I don't know that I'd support an all-out ban) simply because there are so many inconsiderate people - who happen to also smoke. (Note that I carefully avoided lumping smoking and inconsideration together ;-)) I almost decked a woman standing next to me someplace or other last year, because at one point she turned away from her partner and blew a lungful of smoke directly at me and the stroller with little one in it. WTF? But that reveals that she's an inconsiderate person anyway, not that smoking made her that way. I grapple with that every now and then.

    I've never heard of someone not hiring a potential employee because of smoking preference. That seems inherently unwise and will set a dangerous precedent. :-p

    ~Infernal
  • dailyachesandpains said on Jul 17, 2007....
    Skald:
    In MA, it started with no smoking in office buildings.  Then, added to that was no smoking in dining rooms of restaurants, but you could go to the bar.  Now, no smoking inside anywhere except your home or car.  Well, you can smoke on the street though.  There is smoking allowed in NH, but I'm sure that will soon be changing.  A lot of my friends are smokers and they choose to head out in cities in NH, instead of Boston. 
     
    Daily
  • sweet_cookie01 said on Jul 18, 2007....
    eversince smoking was banned in most places i find it lesser people smoke now a days.. unlike before that if you smoke you are "in". I am so relieved that smoking is banned in most places because eversince i got sick i find the smell of smoke making me feel dizzy.
  • rupert7 said on Jul 18, 2007....
    The way things are going here,soon people will only be allowed to smoke at home! Not yey, but I can see it happening!!
  • skald said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Wombat. Seems like I only saw a part of what you wrote I don't know why.
    Botoni.  Our hospitals and also civil offices and working places have had this kind of smoke ban here for years and years.

    I have also noticed that for example in Germany people smoke much more than here and they do it everywhere. It can be annoying. so the propaganda that has been here for years has worked.
    Eilan.  Thanks for your point.
    Infernal.      I would have been mad had that woman blown her lung full of smoke in my face. I probaly would have let her hear something.
    Daily. Seems like you don't smoke. Good for you. This sounds much like here. They started years ago, banning it in office buildings and hospitals and such.
    Cookie.  I agree with you. I don't like the smell.
    Rupert.  That is how it is going to be, I think.
  • wombat said on Jul 18, 2007....
    skald:  It is because of the trouble I have posting.  I have to keep hitting edit comment, and checking every few words or sentences to see if part of it is missing.  Sometimes others see part of my comments before I am "finished" saying all I want to say.
  • *beauty&brains* said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I'm in Minnesota, and we also have a smoking ban in clubs and bars, but only in some cities. Minneapolis mainly. You have to go outside. which I don't mind, only cuz I'm not a smoker! But I know the smokers hate life when they're out!!lol...so not funny, sorry smokers.
     
  • skald said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Wombat.  Oh I see. This is frustrating for you.
    Beauty and brains.  Thanks it is really interesting to hear that this ban is in so many places.
  • dcbunny said on Jul 18, 2007....
    I agree that it shouldn't be any smoking in public places.  More non-smokers are becoming sick with cancer everyday.
  • dcbunny said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Some people get definitly ill from cig smoke.  There are not any medicine for it.  But they get sick enough which can cause a miserable death.
  • silverwhisper said on Jul 18, 2007....
    that approach didn't work in the US. we tried it before. it was called "prohibition".

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Agreed, Ed - as nice a thought as it is (well, for me), it'd never work and might even backfire.

    ~Infernal
  • skald said on Jul 18, 2007....
    Debunny.  I see your point
    Ed and Infernal  I agree.
  • alcoholfree said on Aug 08, 2007....
    I think this law was passed to promote good health and a clean environment.
    Because smoking does not only affect the one who actually smokes
    but it affects more those who are non-smokers around,esp infants.


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