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Soulcast Drama number 526,374,834,625

LadyGamer posted on Jun 26, 2007 | views: 2144 | Tags: perspective, insight, online dishonesty, Uncensored-Unrestricted- 4 Everyone, community
I recently caught the show over in the Artemis thread. She asked a question, got a few serious answers and then got attacked by the sad and pathetic bottomfeeders that are required to exist to make us appreciate that not everyone is like that.
 
I found the irony of someone FALSELY accusing Artemis of being someone else in hiding, while using MULTIPLE extra accounts galling in the extreme. Also, attacking a rape survivor using a handle like WoomRaider is disgusting. That's not clever. That is vile and cruel.
 
Silverwhisper does not have time to be anyone else, btw. Unlike those who attack him.
He actively reads more people than most of us even acknowledge. Daily. As well as doing his job and haunting other forums.
 
 
I don't understand why people have to be so hateful. I really don't.
 
 


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  • botoni said on Jun 26, 2007....
    LG....I ve not yet seen the post you re referring to here but I agree whole heartedly with you sentiments. My SC time is meant to relax me and drama dont do it!
  • NotSoSinglechick25 said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Hi LG - I actually just got done over there and I gotta I'm pretty disgusted by the whole thing.  She's decided to leave SC and I don't blame her, evertime I run into the bottom feeders on another post, btw they never have anything good to say have you notice, I consider just packing it in myself.  Who needs that kind of agrivation?  Botoni is right, it's all about relaxation. 
    J
  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    You know, part of me is sorry that I responded to the bottom feeders, but as a rape survivor myself, I simply do not have it in me to stand for that kind of crap.
  • MissMimi said on Jun 26, 2007....
    I'm tired of it.  I looked at that post tonight, and I'm sorry I did.  I have no idea what else to say because it just disgusts me.
     
    Each of us has the option pack up our tent and leave, but it's a fucking shame when good people are driven away.
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Well, that went to hell in a handbasket.  Christ.
  • lioneljay said on Jun 26, 2007....
    I just finished reading the thread in question after having ignored it as soon as the attacks began. I'm not quite sure what motivates such people to behave that way, but it's revolting. That the argument devolved into a discussion of alts by alts was ironic but not funny. I'm >< this close to disappearing from SC myself. There doesn't seem to be much for me to say (that's my thing and has nothing to do with SC) and lately there's been more than enough crap like this to make it easy for me to stay away.

    Too bad, really. I like online communities when they remain mostly civil.
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jun 26, 2007....
    It's been a while since I've been that thoroughly disgusted. I can't find anything coherent to say about it, and I already spoke to Art, so I'm going to just try to sandblast those words out of my mind and hope that the revolting "people" who get off on that crap either fall into an abyss or by some miracle eventually become decent human beings.

    ~Infernal
  • MissMimi said on Jun 26, 2007....
    I PMed her.  She was just blindsided by all this.  She doesn't even really know who all these idiots are.  It's just a shame.
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    So I wonder how the apologists will justify their continuing to associate with the people (person?) involved?
  • botoni said on Jun 26, 2007....
    In my foolish curiostity I went and read. What terrible drivel is spewed in that post! I feel awful for Artemis. I m not leaving yet but I ve cut back on posting as often as I have in the past partly because that kind of stuff makes SC a less pleasant place to me.
  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Simple, Eilan, the apologists will say, but they (he) hasn't done anything to me personally, just as they have in the past.
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Point taken.  I've definitely seen that before, both here and elsewhere.
  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    BTW, I am now Silver as well. Isn't that nice to know. Oh, and Celestialspace. I wonder how many other personalities I have.
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    FWIW, I always suspected as much.  It's nice to see you finally come clean. ;)
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    Nuhuh!

    *I* am Silver Whisper!

     

    I'm the snarkmistress mother part of his twisted psyche.

    Rawr.

  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Nuh..uh...I am, you, LG. So that means, I am Silver. neener neener neener!


  • hottips4u said on Jun 26, 2007....
    You all, each and every one of you, wanted this community, to be wide open, unrestricted and uncensored.  Well, its a two way street.

    When I first joined, I came to lov this community, support it, protect it. When some jerk started masturbating for our jr. soul cast members, children visiting, schools and libraries where children used to enjoy SC.... I confronted him, remember ?

    Each and everyone of your names above are listed on his site in support of porn.
    Each of you have attacked me, repeatedly. 

    Remember, the first female attack on me came from Zayduh, kinda blind sided me too, ya know, from behind.  I didn't even know what a Zayduh was then.

    The first male to attack me was, Silverwhisper.  This because I answered a post,
    { ironically it was not even SW's post} the question:  What do you find sexy ?  I simply said....I find those of my own race sexy, white.

    SW jumped like a rabid bitten animal on me, calling me foul names, trying to intimidate me.....good luck w/ that.....anyways  you all started on me, until that moment, I had never uttered a bad word to anyone. 

    Then TNP...you all know this is a project in the works for me, pet project if you will.

    Anyways, you all wanted this place wide open.  Well its a two way street...and guess what....not everybody is driving the same car, or shopping for the same things, but thats fair right.....

    unrestricted and uncensored.....wide open....how ya like me now ?

    Can ya hear me now ?  How about now ?     Don't dish it out if ya can't take it.

    Jessi.


  • NotSoSinglechick25 said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Personally Jessi, I don't like you.  I find you rude, foul, and disgusting.  And furthermore I didn't post anything about TNP and I've never attacked you.  But I have seen where you have repeated and without compunction attack others with no provocation.  I'm tired of it.  I'm tired of all of you that do it.  Have your own opinions but keep your ranting and ignorance on your blog where we can ignore it if we so choose.
    J
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    And this justifies your treatment of Artemis, who sure as fuck has had nothing to do with you until recently, in what way?  Because you can?  How classy.  You don't deserve to be called trailer trash--you're lower than that.

    And although I'm one of Cam's "support porn for children" poster moms (LAWL!) I didn't post in TNP's blog.  Ever.  Never even looked at his pics.  Prove that I did.
  • hottips4u said on Jun 26, 2007....
    It all a matter of record my dear, all a matter of record.

    Uncensored.....unrestricted.   Lets Play.

    Jessi
  • Beautiful_Wreck said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Hottips, you are one foul, ugly human being.  Correction, you don't deserve to be called a human being. You are disgusting.
  • Eilan said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Yes.  Let's play.
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    Jessi~

     

    You will note I have not blocked you. Also...this post went fishing...FOR YOU.... however: As this PARTICULAR part of the play ground is MINE, I request...and this goes for everyone...that the profanity be limited.

    If you cannot phrase your thoughts in some semblance of maturity, don't spatter the filth here.

     

    Now then. I've never even heard of you. Neither had Artemis, who by the way, STILL is not an alter ego for ANYone. I don't read TNP because I don't like him. I don't read Cops, because he and I disagree on a very big life philosophy.

    I don't attack them. I don't harrass them. And I DON'T accuse others of BEING them. I simply ignore their existence.

    And you know what? I get lots of attention without being hateful and spitefilled.

  • boyzmom said on Jun 26, 2007....
    LG and Zayda- when do I get to have an alter ego, is that something that has to be earned? I think the post you mentioned is full of an awful lot of mudslinging for no apparent reason and it definitely makes Soulcast look less than enjoyable but it will pass, it always passes until next time.
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    Boyz~ oh okay. You can be Z. Which makes you me. Which makes you SW!

     

    All better?

  • boyzmom said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Wow, that is hard to keep track of! LOL
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    We can throw Mom and CW in the mix and say they are actually YOU who is Z who is me who is SW.

     

    Yeah?

  • boyzmom said on Jun 26, 2007....
    LOL- This reminds me of the soulcast conspiracies post that said SC is made up of primarily 8 bloggers that use different names....
  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Ohhh...ohhh...can I be Zayda too?!?!?!?


    [looks]


    Oh wait...I am Zayda....
  • boyzmom said on Jun 26, 2007....
    No, I am Zayda, okay maybe that is just wishful thinking!
  • TinSoldier said on Jun 26, 2007....
    I am I.

    *goes to find the thread in question if it hasn't been nuked*
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    EIGHT!???

     

    No one has that many psychoses. I mean not even Sybil had that many identities. A liitle logic people! Geesh!

     

    Oops. My shcnapps is kicking in!

  • sweet_cookie01 said on Jun 26, 2007....
    ladygamer... i dont know what happened here and reading the way the discussion is going i am afraid to know what happened... i just hope A is doing better and is okay....
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 26, 2007....

    Cookielicious!

    Don't even waste your time. The degradation isn't worth it. But I think that A will need a little time to cool down. She was absolutely justified in being offended.

  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Anyone who has been raped is absolutely justified in being offended by what was said to Artemis.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Jun 26, 2007....
    What can I say that already hasn't been said?  It's a shame.  
  • MissMimi said on Jun 26, 2007....

    I'm really Eilan cuz she is hawt!!!1

  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Wait, Mimi, I thought you were me. No...wait..that's wrong; I'm you. Or is LJ really me?
  • hottips4u said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Uncensored and Unrestricted      That's how ya-all like it right ?

    If children have to put up with masturbating freaks in their community, I guess you'll have little choice but to be reminded regularly, that its not just your community.

    If you want a community dump where adults of that walk wish to congregate, maybe someone in the circle of egomaniacs within which you exist, should be able to devise a method to view your wares, for lack of a better word, in a properly secured Adult Only viewing area.  Who says it can not be done ? 

    It can't ?.....please explain ?

    Jessi
  • TinSoldier said on Jun 26, 2007....
    I can't believe that! I hope that Artemis learns to delete and/or block users instead of leaving.

    Man, I could do some physical violence to that ignorant person/persons I'm so pissed. And I'm not a violent person.

    What started off as an honest and interesting post devolved into pointless garbage. Why hasn't that jerk/those jerks been banned yet?
  • mom said on Jun 26, 2007....
    You guys are scaring me.  Can I go home now?  
  • Zayda said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Mom...I told you to stop being me. It's going to get you in trouble. ;)
  • MissMimi said on Jun 26, 2007....
    Hop on my lap, mom.  I'll spin ya outta here.
  • MissMimi said on Jun 26, 2007....

    I am he as you are me and we are all together.

    I am the walrus.

  • sweet_cookie01 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    oh i really feel sad about Artemis... she has been through a lot and still healing now this mess... she doesnt need to be treated this way...
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Mimi- coocoocachew
     If I am Zayda then who is me and if I am not me then who is you?  And if you are not you then who are you? My head hurts.
    *jumps on Mimis lap and says "Ride like the wind, Mimi!"
  • Susmaryosep said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Gosh, What's happening here???? 
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    This is like a cyber showing of "Invasion of the ID Snatchers"
  • robtard94 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    sadly we can only achieve peace through war

  • Susmaryosep said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Looks stupid ain;t it ??


  • robtard94 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    hottips4u: Uncensored and Unrestricted      That's how ya-all like it right ?

    If children have to put up with masturbating freaks in their community, I guess you'll have little choice but to be reminded regularly, that its not just your community.

     Age has nothing to do with maturity, I know 12 year olds that are much more mature than their parents
  • hottips4u said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Dee Dee Dee...... you !  you ! 

    jessi
  • robtard94 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Carlos Mencia quotes?
    isn't he not even Mexican?
  • hottips4u said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Hiya's robtard94....nice to meet at least one of you.

    By the way, if you were a farmer in 2008, what would you grow ?

    jessi
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    In 2008, I want to grow hair on my chest and back.
  • sweet_cookie01 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    mom you are hilarious!.... LOL...LOL....
  • robtard94 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    lol pleasure to meet you as well ^_^
    and most definably grapes

  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    o for fuck's sake...she's leaving?!

    ed
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    She feels like a lot of us, in the fact that we can't share what we want for fear of ridicule. I don't blame her for leaving, she is new and got slammed. I don't think it gives her much of a reason to stay
  • destinydiva said on Jun 27, 2007....
    you know...soulcast is just like real life....... one bully goes down...another will take his place....one argument dies off......another one begins......

    life is what me make it........soulcast is what we make it.....

    its always the bad guys that seem to get the most attention.....we are just feeding them...if we want it to stop....truly want it to stop.....then lets let them die off from starvation.....  but be really honest...how many of you want it to die off......how many off you get all excited by a new drama unfolding? how many of you jump on the bandwagon?  soulcast is what we make it......  keep making it this way and then moaning bout it......or change it?????????

    thats what me thinks anywayz...   :-)

    Destiny x

  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    destiny: sadly, there are those who continue to make excuses for them. i'm beginning to think it's just plain and cowardice--or perhaps stupidity.

    ed
  • missb said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Hmm, i think i know which post you're referring to. That was bad.

    Wait, what? Artemis is leaving???

    Cheers :/
    B
  • sweet_cookie01 said on Jun 27, 2007....
    she is taking a break from SC.... she needs time to recover... i hope she feels like coming back after this storm....
  • genalonewolf said on Jun 27, 2007....

    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/74083/Hot-and-Provocative-Photo-Fun#

    Come on now. Whats this? Hotlips is saying stuff about TNP an his masterbation (which I have never seen). Hipocritical? I think so.

    If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck and walks like a duck then it is Hotlips posting nude photos of herself. Outlined or wohralized or whatever it is the same. Kids shouldn't see that and you should be ashamed!!

  • aliendudeintheuk said on Jun 27, 2007....

    the first time i came across silverwhisper in this forum he struck me as a nice guy and i still believe he"s a nice guy regardless of wht some few bottom feeders say about him in here.They are just full of hate.thts just it.nothing more nothing less

    thomas

  • aliendudeintheuk said on Jun 27, 2007....

    on the issue of artemis,i read the piece tht hottips wrote about her.

    Hottips is just a bigoted hateful personality and i would say without pretrence,i dont like her.

  • DogLips said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I was checking to see if there had been any response to my comment when I glanced over the remarks you mentioned. I saw what was going on again and I just left it. What a shame such a simple question by a sweet woman could lead to such disgusting and vile comments. I think some people create new accounts just to build a gang of cruel villains.
    Most disappointing.
  • aliendudeintheuk said on Jun 27, 2007....
    hmmm on the issue of accounts on soulcast i have only one becoz i dont see the need in runnin mutiple accounts.even if i had mutiple accounts i would still let the others know am the one usin it.no point in hidin under different accounts
  • Expendable said on Jun 27, 2007....

    LG, some people think that the only way they can stand out is to push others down. Some of them call it, "pushing your buttons" as if that's going to show what you're made of, but really it's just their excuse for being a bully.

    This is an open community that tries to censor itself by using tags. You look at the tags, you get an idea of what's going on in the post. You can then decide to look - or look elsewhere.

     

  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    It seems to me that the name calling and labeling follows the same lines and the delineations of friend or foe.

    Why is it that when someone you don't like makes a comment that it is automatically banned as trash?

    If you like the person and the article or comment may stink..you endorse it as your own. Sounds like Democrats versus Republicans.

    For those of you that cannot possible know someone has issued me a challenge.

    I am accepting the challenge..."put up or shut up."

    This old man has agreed to take on the muffin that challenged me in that he was going to beat my ass if   IF he should meet me.

    I have agreed to MEET this person. I am inviting anyone to attend or participate. Now we will find out who is the mouth and who is the coward.

    For further info or challenges..meet me at   JDDollar2@aol.com  come one come all. Individually or a group..makes little or no difference to me. Just don't cry afterwards. I'll let yo all know what's happening and who.

  • uniquely-ironic said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I'm all for freedom of expression, free speech and free will, but with those freedoms comes the responsibility to behave as civilized humans.  There are a few here that abuse this and I have no problem blocking them and ignoring them.
  • destinydiva said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I'd say the one who shows up is the mouth and the fool
    the one who walks away is the better stronger smarter person

    thats what me thinks anywayz .....

    Destiny x
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    By the way, it's not drama it is just common sense and human emotions that are expressed here.

    Some take offense at nearly everything a certain person says. Others just muddle along..like me..ahem...

    If you are feint of heart and don't wish to read or participate go kiss you boyfriend and boys kiss boys etc..and women..well..let's just leave it...

    Free speech..nope. Most can't say what they think or feel because they are blocked. Huh..who'd a thunk it?. I am blocked on at least 12 sites that I know of..

    Laughing my ass off..why not..if you can't handle the written word..then you are in worse mental shape than even YOU suspected.

  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    right...because telling someone who's been raped that she's making it all up is "muddling"...thanks for clearing that up.

    ed
  • mobil said on Jun 27, 2007....

    For the love of God, there is no Hottips4u, no doodlebug, no soloangel,

    and on and on and on. Cops creates these characters and if you have

    one half a brain in your head, it doesn't take long to figure out who he

    is pretending to be at any given moment. He as a style and flow to his

    writing. He trys to cover it, like as camdaman, but he's not smart enough

    to do that for long. Why are people still calling hottips hottips? It's cops,

    it's all cops and he will come into a post as sometimes three different

    people and argue with himself as these different people. He agrees with

    himself too. It's nuts, it's crazy. What's more crazy is that you folks don't

    see it until six months later. I have no axe to grind here, I don't care what

    cops does. He's crazy and you folks allow him to raise hell by talking to

    him as if he is someone else. Geeze

  • hottips4u said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Everybody wants to sooo believe in something, someone, even a fake behind a username, unseen, unknown and unsubstantiated. 

    When can a person not tread on egg shells of an alleged, no proof whatsoever, just
    a made-up username that ole Silver created, in our collective opinions, about an alleged rape some 20 plus odd years ago ? 

    Yet, none of your ilk care whatsoever of the children your friend and ally the naked professor is in fact exposing himself too each and everyday, in here and in the real world ......thats not a fake username of a 20 year old plus--maybe- rape...thats a real in your face lil kiddie pedophile in the here and now

    you guys have your priorities misarranged as responsible adults.

    Live with it Silverwhisper, your not a God, you do not own this community, and you and your click had better get used to the entire world having access, which more freaks after kids, and I'll be there after those creeps to, and you when you try tp protect and defend them.

    By the way all you egotistical-testicles, I had a sports bra on, a G and made the pic with nothing of my privates actually showing as I knew not what would happen to the original, so even if I had posted the original, I was covered....you guys are grasping at straws and as usual ..... looking like the pompous asses you really are.

    Jessi.
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    did Artemis delete her post?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    no: that one is still there, but she did nuke 4 or so pages worth of other blog entries.

    ed
  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast: She deleted or put in draft mode all but her last post. The one that evidences why she is leaving. It's still here. 
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    We've been adamant on allowing everyone to speak because of the fact that users can block other users and police their own plot of space on Soulcast. When new users start leaving we have to reconsider. At this point we are reviewing the situation.

    One question that immediately comes to mind, why didn't she block them? It's only 3 or 4 accounts. Would this problem not have been solved with some deleting and blocking?
  • CreativeWoman said on Jun 27, 2007....
    This is all so sad.  I haven't spent as much time at SC lately.  I missed the post by Artemis entirely.  I hope she doesn't really leave.  I like her a lot. 

    You know, I find myself censoring what I write here these days.  I never felt the need before.

    CW
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    TO SOULCAST

    You might be right but consider this:  There are some that totally abuse the entire blog system with pornography and what have you.

    When it comes to attacking others on the blog it seems there are a few here that seem to think the "run" or "own" this entire place.

    It is as frustrating to the oldsters as it is the new ones.

    If you are inclined to pursue changing the entire program then it would seem that an entire review be done to see who the main culprits are.

    It's not for me to say or name names as I am as guilty as the next.

    If you are going to set rules..then set them !

    Don't take the loss of one double SN and use that as an example. That's as wrong as can be. There are truly some nasty people here that have way overstepped the bounds of decency.

    If you intend to impose censorship, then feel free to lose 2/3rds your viewership.

    Rules are rules just be VERY clear what is a rule and what is implied.

    JD the Cop

    PS. I am in agreement with standards but the standards so far are terrible.

  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    We have no enforced standards at this point, but we are wondering if it's time. Let me start by saying that we have no problems with adult content. What we have a problem with is the harassment. 

    Keep in mind that many of the people behind soulcast have accounts and are active users. We know what goes on around here!

    We do not want to enforce rules, but we may be forced to take that course of action.
     
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    SC: this is hardly the first time a user left due to abusive behavior by others. surely this can't possibly be news to you? others most certainly have.

    why not block the users? b/c not everyone spends the kind of time here that other users do. and considering the user in question was being insulted for being raped, i really don't think that's the question to be asking. i'm fairly certain that's not an atmosphere you want promulgated here.

    spending time on SC is something that all of us like to do--if it weren't, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many comments here. but allowing what's happened to go w/out implementing any changes whatsoever most assuredly sends the message that in essence, people shouldn't feel safe baring their souls here--that they shouldn't feel safe soulcasting.

    ed
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast- I agree with Ed
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I'd be afraid of not living up to your standards, SoulCast.  I'd hate to disappoint you.  :) 

    I think it's right that you should have an issue with harassment, as it no longer deals with your first amendment rights of saying anything stupid that you want, but you are starting to infringe on other people's right to do the same. 

    I applaud you admins for looking into this situation and hope we can go back to being the happy little community that we once were.  

    As always, your guys/gals are doing a bang up job and I am glad to be a part of this group. 

    Keep up the good work. 

    Sincerely,

    Grape. 
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    grape, the freedom of speech refers to government controls, not the activities of private businesses.

    ed
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    You bring up many issues that I could discuss at great length.

    You'd have to define safe. Anytime something is published it is open to criticism of some form even insults. Look at Anne Coulter! Ultimately we don't believe it's possible to prevent insults. 

    We hope the anonymity adds a layer of safety, and the ability to delete and block is there to stop harassment. Soulcast is a very large site. Larger than the vast majority of message boards and we hope it gets larger. There is no way we can arbitrate disputes between different users across the whole site. We want to give users the ability to police their own part of soulcast. We'd love to hear suggestions along these lines. 
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    you want suggestions? i've got a few:

    1. cool-off period on new IDs. allow them to post blog entries but don't allow commenting for a little while. part of what happened to artemis was ganging-up of alts. slow that, slow the snowball effect. while this does mean newcomers will have a slower start in getting known by more-established soulcasters, if you make the delay something like 60 mins or the like, i think that's fairly reasonable.

    2. require as part of the TOS that multiple user IDs on SC be registered with you. this gives people the freedom to have alts if they like, but also allows their conduct to be observed more closely. violation = summary suspension of account, maybe a drop in their comments or blogs/day. that's a standard i'd be more than happy to meet and i wager that's true of everybody who's commented thus far.

    3. create a more clearly-defined standard by which harrassment/stalking is identified. i've obviously disagreed in the past with how certain, related cases were handled in the past--the current TOS employs a certain measure of ambiguity and it's within that ambiguity where the issue has happened, is happening now and barring change, will happen again.

    that's off the top of my head. if i think of more, i'll add a few.

    ed
  • NotSoSinglechick25 said on Jun 27, 2007....

    Being able to block users and delete their hateful comments does not erase the experience of being verbally attacked  - which is incredibly disgusting because it was about a physical attack, doesn't matter how long ago it happened.  The only result from blocking and deleting these hateful users is not warning other members of their agenda on this site.  If you read any of the blogs and comments posted by these users, the goal is fairly obvious and downright pathetic.  What happened to Artemis should NEVER happen but has occurred quite frequently since I've been a member here - approximately 4 months.  Something needs to be done about these users. 

    J

  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Further, blocking and deleting doesn't always seem to work properly, especially if you delete every comment someone made.

    I have a user that I have blocked; they are on my blocked user list, yet they posted to my blog about 6 hours ago. I saw their comment within minutes of it being posted and right beside their userid it said, "you have blocked this user". Yet there their comment was on my blog.

    The only thing I could figure was that because I had deleted their previous comments, they were still able to post. So, I unblocked them, reblocked them, and left their comment this time to see if that keeps them blocked.
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    Spoken as if you wear a halo there Weasel. You are far from above the fray and nuances of SC.

    I say and ask again that if you IMPOSE any form of censorship ( from the point of view that you own the thing) that the heavy hand be laid on perfectly and with equanimity.

    Again, while I am amidst the fray and never claim to be innocent I hate to see others attacked at random for no other reason that they do not agree with some of the um..well..the private a close knit cliques.( alleged owenership of SC)

    Please give us an over view of what YOU see as , a problem or a probable outcome of your comments.

    I hate to see the halos come out and self serving statements and comments.

    What do you have in mind and what is your perception of the problem?

    Is this one person speaking for all or all speaking as one?

    I subscribed because it was free. I enjoyed a modicum of enjoyment and innocence up until the time I got attacked for a counter view. After that well the record speaks for itself.

    YOU tell US what to do..how to correct and please don't say just employ decency because there are some that don't understand that concept.

    Has this gone to a Government agency..YES. Some of the things on here go well beyond the norm as I am now very SURE you are aware.

    I am not an employee so I can speak my mind, that is not a self-serving statement but Lord do i wish i was. Got room?

    JD the Old time Cop.

     

    If you chose to pull the plug on my account be my guest. At one time I was a popular bogger but then the "group" turned vicious. Any suggestions?

  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    that isn't at all what i said. learn to read.
  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Silver: It isn't a blog entry I want to put in draft mode as I don't want the discussion lost to those who were participating in it. I happened to block a user who only posts to spam the half a dozen or more URL links he/she/it includes with every comment.
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    @zayda
    can you whisper us the person that you blocked. We'll look into it.

    @sw
    I like the ideas in your second suggestion. Limiting or controlling multiple accounts is something I think would help and it wouldn't require manual labor. 

    @cops
    you resort to personal attacks faster than anyone I've seen around SC. We aren't stupid. Just look at this post. You called him a weasel without any prompting. Don't try to turn this post into a fight.
  • Alyss said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I agree that some method by which the alts are able to be monitored would be a good idea.
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    I called him a weasel for a reason. That is my call.

    Again if you are going to unseat the blog..or the writer and impose your will over mine..then pull the plug. I don't mind this at all.

    If you wish to make YOUR own blog then do so. I don't recall this being under YOUR name at all.

    If you are not stupid..and I am not stupid..what is the problem here and who is WE? It sounds like the same person to me.

    I don't need a prompt to call anyone what I see of them. And right now his actions are exactly that and you are the daddy he is posing for. If you cannot understand that then perhaps we ..you and I need a private conversation. You can reach me at my listed email. Until then I continue uncensored blogging.

    JD the Cop.

  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    soulcast as a site speaks with a unified voice. This isn't a difficult concept.
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    Is this the form of censorship you employ? Are you intending to silence the voice of the people here? This is wrong son, very wrong. I am disappointed in you and the system that allows you to go counter to your advertised terms.

    Don't worry though. I shall find the way. Thanks again for showing me what I wanted to know. this is not the first time.

  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast-
    I have been involved with some nasty fights and I am guilty of saying horrible things.  I like it much better when we are having fun instead of fighting. It can get draining seeing the anger.
  • genalonewolf said on Jun 27, 2007....
    hhhmmmmm.
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    uh oh, what are you thinking Gena?
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    SOULCAST I have no real quarrel with you or anyone else. I dislike it very much when you abuse your power and when you are confronted with the truth that you delete the comment. Is that a mature way to deal with someone with a counter view point?

    I think you have overstepped on this one issue since it was an adult conversation and no profanity involved at all.

    You took it personally as i did when you insinuated that I was not capable of understanding the concept of one voice etc. Not a nice post at all.

    You may feel the power, as I said when it was deleted but do you have the maturity to deal on my level? No. No you don't obviously.

    This is my last word, now feel free to say anything you wish.

    this was at one time a very productive and happy community until a few allowed it to get to a harassing blog such as GuboJumptooth or what ever it was and sr. Bloc with his attacks and mobil I never heard of some of the people that attacked me and don't care.

    It is unwarranted your taking the view that everyone is a child in mind. Very wrong. Please contact me a JDDollar2@AOL.COM  IF you wish to continue this conversation. Comments welcomed.

    JD the cop

  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Feedback time. 

    As you all know we limit the number of comments a user can post. New users are allowed fewer comments than regular users. One idea we've had is to reduce the number of comments a person is allowed for a given day if they get a comment deleted. Each deleted comment will reduce it further. New users aren't allowed many comments so fake accounts would feel the effect more.

    Thoughts?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    CU: they can read the blog entries you've deleted. just FYI.

    SC: interesting--an entirely automated process. this privileges established soulcasters. i propose the docking be a percentage rather than a flat figure to address that inequity.

    ed
  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast- I like that idea.
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    the inequity is intentional. It's the means with which it will prevent abuse of multiple accounts. Legit new users shouldn't get many comments deleted. 
  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast said:
    Feedback time. 

    As you all know we limit the number of comments a user can post. New users are allowed fewer comments than regular users. One idea we've had is to reduce the number of comments a person is allowed for a given day if they get a comment deleted. Each deleted comment will reduce it further. New users aren't allowed many comments so fake accounts would feel the effect more.

    Thoughts?

    What's to prevent abuse by deleting comments just to purposely reduced the amount that someone can comment.  There are some users here who delete any comment that disagrees with their viewpoint, even if the comment is civil. So, what's to keep someone or several someone's from deleting every comment that Silver, for instance makes, in a given day just to purposely reduced the number of comments he can make simply because they don't like him?


  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....
    What sort of number are you looking at?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    SC: yes, i thought that might be the reasoning.

    super z: that would require quite the conspiracy for a well-established soulcaster, but perhaps more importantly, i see it serving as an inducement to diversify one's commenting portfolio, so to speak. more diverse commenting is presumably better for the community, no?

    ed
  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Silver: Yes, more diverse commenting is much better for the community.
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    @zayda 
    "What's to prevent abuse by deleting comments just to purposely reduced the amount that someone can comment"

    Someone can only do that if you comment on their blog. Second, the reduction isn't permanent. It will actually increase the number of comments the system thinks you've made today in effect reducing the comments you can make; just for that day.
    Once someone abuses that I would hope people will stop commenting on their posts. 

    @cops
    I'm not sure on the numbers. Just wanted to flesh out the general idea first.
  • Zayda said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Soulcast: Well, I would hope you wouldn't reveal the numbers when you determine them in the first place just as you have not revealed the numbers for how many comments per day we do get. As revealing the numbers would make it easier to lead to abuse.
  • JadeLondon said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Silver: Who can read the blog entries that are deleted? SoulCast?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    jade: yep. btw, good to see you again, missy. :>

    and i agree w/ zayda's comment re: the numbers.

    ed
  • the_infernal_optimist said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I agree re: not revealing the numbers, but fwiw, I think something like this could work, or at least help to address the problem.

    ~Infernal
  • JadeLondon said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Silver: Thanks. I hope life has been treating you well. :)

    If SoulCast can read deleted material, can they restore it? I would like to have some of my early posts back; I'm feeling nostalgic.

  • silverwhisper said on Jun 27, 2007....
    jade, i recommend posting it to soulcast_help.
  • JadeLondon said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Silver: Maybe. It seems an almost selfish request.
  • carmachu said on Jun 27, 2007....

    I dont have time for high school drama. I left that behind decade or so ago.

     

    I cant believe there are like 120 repsonses....

  • fearing said on Jun 27, 2007....
    @ Soulcast - I'd like to chime in here.  I'm fairly new and I feel I have behaved in my actions towards others.  I like the ideas offered so far BUT limiting the comments to new users could limit me too.  Isn't that restricting everyone because a few don't know how to play nice? 

    I don't have a problem AT ALL with uncensored blogging.  I don't read what offends me.  Attacking and/or harassing others is an entirely different ball game in my book.  I recently pulled a post because of this very issue.  

    I also have begun to re-think what I write in my blog in fear of being attacked.  So much for uncensored blogging.  I am already censoring myself.

    There has to be another way.  Could personal attacks (not disagreeing with a view point) be flagged in some way and then reviewed by SC?  I've read things written here that in my opinion were blatant threats. 
  • Danj3ris said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Its shit like this that makes me glad to not actually know some people who post on Soulcast. Like a bunch of friken children. Am I holding myself above the throng? Not at all, I'm prone to my own immature tirades. But hell, it's mighty disgusting to see it happening.

    People have to stop with this epic game of clue that acts as a fog of war, giving you ideas that it is perfectly fine to be total assholes to each other. Can you not do something better with your time? I've been through the whole "have 4 screenames and fuck with your friends" phase. In 7th and 8th grade.

    Its over.
  • SoulCast said on Jun 27, 2007....
    @fearing
    there already is a comment limit, but you dont' see it :) It's to limit spammers. If this plan works out as I hope then it won't affect new users. If it does we'll remove it. The last thing we want is to restrict legitimate users.

    "be flagged in some way and then reviewed by SC?"
    We don't want to review it, that's the catch. We can't keep up with the volume of such a large site and we don't want to play the role of thought police on every dispute that occurs on the site.
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 27, 2007....

    I like the idea of deleted posts limiting the allowed posts temporarily.

    I LIKE having an uncensored site in which to blog.

    I LIKE saying what I like when I like, I sure don't get that anywhere else.

     

    But I do understand .....and here is where I think a HUGE difference occurs.... I DO understand that many people are not as strongwilled as me. I opened this post because those who attacked Artemis cannot possibly do to me what they did to her. I don't personally care one iota what those who have proven themselves without value to me have to say about me. They don't know me. If they did...and that wouldn't be difficult with my uncensored blog laid out for all to see.... they would know that painting me with a group brush won't stick in the least.

    I am unique. I am magnificent. Anyone who doesn't get that can suck it. *winks*

     

    Ahem...back on topic.

     

    I'm curious why people keep screaming that everyone is everyone else. Does it matter?

  • bloc said on Jun 27, 2007....
    i agree with lady. Most of the time I don't notice that cops is here. He doesn't post on my blog and I don't read his. Artemis is a bit different, but most of the others feed cops. I made that mistake once and I've never made it again. 
  • NotSoSinglechick25 said on Jun 27, 2007....

    LG ~ I can barely keep track of the voices in my head let alone who has how many identities here at SC.  So I choose to treat every member I run into as a seperate entity (unless they request otherwise of course :-P)  It doesn't matter to me how many personalities one person has - especially if all of them are horrible.  I'll just avoid them all.  I'm glad you posted this and got the ball rolling for the discussion above.  Take care - and I hope that one day I can be as magnificent as you ;-)

    J

  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Hey guys, what's up?
     
    {{{ears burning}}}
     
    Can't we all just get along?
     
    Ignoring always works for moi.
     
     
     
     
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    We have reached the heights of stupidity.

    Now we have to have rules for the rules that rule.

    There are still those that look down their noses and say not me. I was never involved. There are those that say..well.  Gee it was so and so etc.

    When the ownership comes on and takes the helm it's like a bunch of children pointing fingers and saying " No me daddy".

    What a crock. !!!

    I am disgusted to the enth degree. I have admitted my involvement and never backed off same. I have been in conversation with SC and they have found me at fault for stirring the pot. So be it. So what?

    My feeling is I have lived up to the "code" what ever that is. I am beginning to find that the code or conduct of "rules" are those that are manufactured to fit the circumstances.

    If i get kicked off it is for telling it like it is..not for anything you mealy mouthed people have said or done. it is because I refuse to subjugate myself to the whims of the many and I believe that censorship should be part of the Government under Marshall law..not on a private blog. We are about to test that theory. If I'm gone, I am gone..song chapter and verse.

    JD the cop and the "Pain in the Ass" to all. Especially to one who is heavily invested with a personal agenda. I shall not name names.

  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 27, 2007....
    We won't have dick to kick around??
  • NotSoSinglechick25 said on Jun 27, 2007....

    Cop ~ I have been disgusted to the enth degree with so many of your comments that it's far beyond being funny.  I don't think you stir the pot, I think like to make people miserable and you will do or say anything to make that happen.  Yes I have seen your good and nice posts but they are so few and far between that I can only conclude that your cruel and foul posts are the real you.  If you are gone, someone else will be there to fill the void in no time.  Yes you admit your involvement - it would be stupid not to when it's plain to see.  I don't know what "code" you refer to but mine is simple.  Treat others with the respect that they have earn and deserve, but if they haven't earned keep it to myself (which, yes I'm violating that right now.)  If you didn't alienate and set out to humiliate everyone maybe you wouldn't be thought of as a pain in the ass or reviled.  But that has been your choice all along and if you get taken out of here, well, it's just a result of your own actions and well deserved in my humble opinion.

    J

  • mom said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Ouch!
  • LadyGamer said on Jun 27, 2007....
    I want totake this moment to thank the various posters commenting here for adhering to my request for civility. Thank you. Please continue.
  • carmachu said on Jun 27, 2007....
    You most certainly are magnificent LG.......just watch out for the mud puddle while holding your chin up that high, 'k? We all know a certain murphy is bound to make you find it....:D
  • Expendable said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Feedback time. 

    As you all know we limit the number of comments a user can post. New users are allowed fewer comments than regular users. One idea we've had is to reduce the number of comments a person is allowed for a given day if they get a comment deleted. Each deleted comment will reduce it further. New users aren't allowed many comments so fake accounts would feel the effect more.

    Thoughts?
     
    Great idea.
     
    Here's another - as a part of the registration process, can you collect birthdates, then set your system to block access to posts with "adult content" for anyone under 18? Just a thought. There would have to be a list somewhere of "adult content" tags. And you'd have to collect birthdates from all the current users.
     
    Or maybe a checkbox in the edit post window to mark it as adult content? Separate from the tag system?
     
    It's not infallible, kids could put in a false date. But it might fix some of the issues over adult content.
  • Eilan said on Jun 27, 2007....
    Expendable, that's not a bad idea.  I frequent a site in which people have to be at least 18 to register and you're right--it's not infallible.  Every so often someone will lie about a birth date or otherwise slip through the cracks. 

    It helps a lot when the members are protective enough of the community to do some self-policing.
  • PassionTraveler said on Jun 27, 2007....
    On Artemis' blog, I was one of the first commenters to politely ask Hottips not to use an example from my comment to support her abuse of Artemis or anyone else. From there, it snowballed out of control, and I realized what Bloc and LadyGamer did and posted the following anonymous comment. I posted anonymously then because at the time I felt to attach a name would only incite further the abusive parties and sink poor Artemis' post deeper into chaos and hoped that people would get the hint and simply stop acknowledging the abuse. From this, that hasn't happened.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Flaganonymous said 1 day ago....
    Anyone who comments so venomously is frankly looking to incite an online riot. They feed off of it and revel when it escalates as it has here in this post.

    I recommend no one even acknowledge any of the posts on anyone's blog by these offensive members and delete them immediately throughout the entire site and they will soon lose interest if they have no one with whom to wage their online battles.

    To acknowledge them beyond the words I type right here, right now, is simply a waste of effort and pointless. It's what they want. Acknowledgment for their bad deeds. Stop and they will go away.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    And also:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • SoulCast said about 5 hours ago....
      Feedback time. 

      As you all know we limit the number of comments a user can post. New users are allowed fewer comments than regular users. One idea we've had is to reduce the number of comments a person is allowed for a given day if they get a comment deleted. Each deleted comment will reduce it further. New users aren't allowed many comments so fake accounts would feel the effect more.

      Thoughts?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I too like the freedom of speech here and uncensored blogging. I come from a journalism background, but with those freedoms comes responsibilities that some simply respect.

    So, in light of simply ignoring the actions of the few bad apples or disrespectful persons, YEAH, maybe some constraints are necessary.

    I like the deletion of an offensive comment directly affects their ability to comment more in some incremental fashion. If they are restricted daily or incrementally, then perhaps the rest of us would get some reprieve and IT would certainly make the offenders think long and hard about what they are going to say. Maybe their comments will become more useful contributions rather than blatant verbal and often racial abuse.

    PT
  • copsunited said on Jun 27, 2007....

    A few bad apples?

    Your conversation with me was very informative and measurable.

    Your background was Journalism.

    Mine was military. I was in the service of this country getting shot, stabbed and shot down in an aircraft. Dragging my ass through the jungles with a busted up back. I flew all over the world taking on assignments on a volunteer basis many of my colleagues got killed..that means shot or blown apart. I jumped into jungles, deserts and into the black of night..I was decorated many times...

    why did I do that? Just so you..I said YOU could have the right to say what ever the hell you want to. You have the audacity and temerity to call me a rotten apple?

    Go back to the priest or Rabbi you kneel to and tell him that tonight you met a real man and he was NOT you.

    You are no better than the rest Kelly. Thanks for keeping it "in house".

    Go ahead boot me. Give all those smug self serving pious people a laugh. In the mean time every niche that is taken away is another place to hide "censorship".

    Be my guest.

  • carmachu said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Oh Copsunited, playing the martyr card...how so orignial.
  • destinydiva said on Jun 28, 2007....
    im still a newbie...but i have noticed when a drama unfolds everyone seems to jump on it.... its like a real life soap opera.....everyone tunes in when the trouble
    starts to brew.......and as one drama dies off.....another takes its place....

    you could make soulcast three seperate sites...the good the bad and the ugly!!!!

    then those of us that have enuf soap operas in our own real lives.... dont have to watch the ugly ones...



    destiny
    x
  • Susmaryosep said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Getting shot and busted for us? what about those poor villagers that you bombed and pillaged? Cmon give us a break!!

  • mom said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Maybe that is my problem, I don't get to watch soap operas. :(

  • destinydiva said on Jun 28, 2007....
    aaaw mom I didnt mean you .....  I'd put you in with the good :-)

  • mom said on Jun 28, 2007....
    You know something, is that a lot of good people are leaving Soul Cast, people that have been here for a long while. They feel caught in between and are having to choose sides. It all makes me so sick that it is happening, if we all decided to just be civil to each other, no one has to like the other, we don't even have to trust the people we don't want to. I don't think that Soulcast will ever really recover from this, too much anger, and cruel words exchanged. It is all too easy to say ugly things to each other when we don't have to look at the person we are saying them too  to see the hurt in their eyes. People come on here to bare their souls and are praying they won't get attacked, it shouldn't  be that way.  Without the safety and feeling that this is the best place, people don't want to share anything.  Then you have the mindless chatter that is usually the reason for my posts.   When I go to post something that is close to me, I really have to ask myself if am I prepared to be scoffed at. I don't want to see this go down hill, especially when we have the power to fix things but all parties have to agree and make an effort.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Once again.  It's a dang shame is what it is. 

    I trust people to do what they do.  No more, no less.  It's when people go above and beyond that I get surprised.  I know I can trust Coldie or Willbrich for a good joke I can tell my non-SC friends.  I trust LG for a good bit of snark, unyielding strength for her daughters.  I can trust Z for her candor, her perspective.  I know I can trust mom to add a dose of humor in every situation(so important to me), I know I can trust ed to throw in his two cents.... everywhere.  I know ed's a rich man.  He may or may not be financially, I don't know, but I do know that he has a rich life.   CeeDub for her genuine ability to care for others, her kindness.  Even though bloc and I don't see eye to eye, I have a profound respect for the way stands up for what he believes in.  I trust Hunter's wisdom.  Hunter's my pastor and he doesn't even know it.  It's fitting that a renegade preacher has a renegade flock.  I trust Secret to be supportive, always there to lend a sympathetic ear.  I miss Happykat for her special brand of snark, I miss JadeLondon before she was outed, I miss ALIENated and TNP before they were replaced by pod-people.  Or were they robots?  A team of robots maybe?  I don't know.  I'm still working on that theory. 

    On the other side of that very same coin, I also trust copsuntied to do what he does, and his ilk(332001, ChefK, Kevin....  remember them veterans?).  Once the purpose, or the intention behind the blog is established, I have most of time found those to be consistent with the behavior of the blogger.  This way, the question, "Why do you blog?" becomes more poignant than ever before. 

    Many of us are here to vent, laugh, cry, scream, shout, connect, celebrate, mourn, remember, forget, all at the same time.  Others are an essential part of this equation.  We make ourselves feel better, we break our hearts, we deal with it all together.  We need each other to do that.  It makes us feel connected in the most literal way, less isolated, less like a voice in the wilderness.  Some of us are here only for amusement.  Because it pleases us.  This blatant disregard of others in searching for self-gratification bespeaks of utter desolation and loneliness to me.  Some of us are here only to make fun of others, because that's the only way we feel good about ourselves. 

    So in this regard, it is indeed a great shame that a voice like Artemis, who wanted to connect, who wanted to open up, share, heal and celebrate with us was silenced by a smug, self-satisfying bully. 

    My apologies for being so long-winded.  But by now, you trust me to be so, no?  ;)
  • fearing said on Jun 28, 2007....
    @Grape - I like the way you write.  I like the way you think.  :-)
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 28, 2007....
    yeah, i remember them, all right. still have those bastards blocked, in fact.

    ed
  • JadeLondon said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Grape, Silver: Yeah, I most vividly remember them.

    Grape: I miss me before I was outed, too. Even though I work a different job, and my present co-workers haven't an inkling, I still find myself biting my tongue. Either way, being hazed by acquaintances or non--it sucks, big time. Whatever happened to the Golden Rule?

  • Susmaryosep said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Grape..
    Wow!!!! But why was jadelondon outed>? And what does that mean? sorry to be so stupid... :-o
  • aliendudeintheuk said on Jun 28, 2007....

    well copsunited not everybody in the military is as hateful as u.i have few friends in the miltary and they are nice blokes with a friendly character.i would say u just have a mean streak within yourself and it is quite common with ppl who grew up in a hate filled environment.

    thomas

  • copsunited said on Jun 28, 2007....

    Someone, I don't even remember the name said I dropped bombs on children and other civilians. Wrong identity, I was not in the aircraft that did that. Kill innocent people. I don't really know but if one of your family members were there and you survived, I did not do such a good job.

    My location of activity was NOT just in Vietnam, Twit, it was around the world. I did things you simply have no concept of and never will. With a closed mind such as you. you will never ever grasp the reality of the world. You have not even been to another foreign country except a guided tour to Mexico or Canada. Don't preach at me twat, you are able to have you voice on this net because of the thousands that went before me.

    Oh, by the way, did you know when we bombed the SHIT out of Berlin we killed more civilians in one week that we did in all of Vietnam? Did you? Huh?

    Go screw yourself and your liberal thinking...

    Did I say I did it all single handed? NO !! I did it with thousands of others and if you are so interested why have you not joined the military and fight for YOUR country so you can continue to have the rights and privileges you enjoy now.

    Sing to Hitler, the kaiser,  etc maybe even Sadam is of interest in your Prayers?

    How about bin Laden? Do you include him in your prayers? You are a freak if you think freedom comes without a cost.

    To the other nit wit..what did you say? Your mouth was stuffed with something similar to a ..a...um...gees..what a dork !!!!

  • Susmaryosep said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Do you realise we are all getting hot under the collar for nothing??? .... 
  • carmachu said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Copsunited, you seem to have an opinion that being a veteran grants you a special privlage to act and speak however you want with no thought to civility, and gives you license to do as you wish......you are, sadly mistaken.
  • copsunited said on Jun 28, 2007....

    Excuse me? CARM,. who pulled your chain?

    I am sadly mistaken about nothing. Period. I have not asked for, demanded not accepted any special treatment from any one for anything.

    Is that the way you read that? You are mistaken .

     

    As to my anger..I grew up in a loving environment on a farm. Who gave you license to analyze me or comment? You know nothing. You are projecting your own inadequacies onto me. I take nor want any part of you junior psychology. When you get your Dr.s degree in psych..then and only then are you qualified to comment. the next time you speak of me or to me..it is SIR or don't speak at all.

    Enough with the retards. Get me some real meat.

  • mobil said on Jun 28, 2007....

    We didn't bomb the shit out of Berlin, we bombed the shit out of Dresden.

    Point of fact.

  • mobil said on Jun 28, 2007....
    Cops, you continue to provide proof that you are a dumb ass. You do so at
    every turn. You are a pit bull, by saying that, I must apologize to pit bulls.
     
    Yeah, Dresden, we fire bombed Dresden, killed OH so many civilians, it's
    still debated today whether we should have done that.
     
    Berlin, yeah, the Russians took it, we allowed them to take it, that was not
    smart either. Like you, there were mistakes made.
     
    You Cops are an ignorant, arrogant ass. I don't think enough of you to
    spend much time on you. Didn't want history to suffer though.
     
  • copsunited said on Jun 28, 2007....

    Well moron, you are horribly misinformed. The Allies did indeed bomb the shit out of Berlin. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

    I am well aware of the instance of Dresden...also of Berlin. But since you were there you would know more than I..correct?

    Like I said ..grateful for your service to the military.

    Pffffffft.......whatever...

  • copsunited said on Jun 28, 2007....

    The battle of Berlin cost 40,000 to 100,000 civilian lives.

    The USAAF 8th Air Force under the Bomber command excercised day raids over the area.

    Read below...

    Battle of Berlin (air)

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    For the Soviet assault and capture of Berlin in 1945, see Battle of Berlin.

    The Battle of Berlin was a British bombing campaign on Berlin from November 1943 to March 1944, as well as other German cities to prevent concentration of defences in Berlin. It was launched by Arthur "Bomber" Harris, AOC of RAF Bomber Command in November 1943. Harris believed this could be the blow which broke German resistance: "It will cost us between 400 and 500 aircraft. It will cost Germany the war."[1] By this time he could deploy over 800 long-range bombers on any given night, equipped with new and more sophisticated navigational devices such as H2S radar. Between November 1943 and March 1944 Bomber Command made 16 massed attacks on Berlin.

    It is generally accepted that the Battle of Berlin was a failure for the