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A common thread of argument for the existence of god involves the universe being so complex and ordered that it must have been designed by an intelligent agent. This argument puzzles me; our perspective is perhaps skewed because we live in a thin band, only two kilometers thick, of extraordinary complexity on the surface of our little planet.

The universe is not generally ordered or complex, which is exactly what we’d expect if there were no god. The universe consists of a vacuum littered with star dust and cosmic background radiation. Gliding haphazardly through this void are clumps of space dust. Some of those clumps grew large enough to ignite nuclear fusion at the center. Others grew so massive that they collapsed under their own weight. All of these phenomenon are immensely disordered and extremely hostile to life.

The only known exception is our little band on the surface of this little speck in the vast universe. While that does make our planet unique and extremely important to us, its existence is not outside the realm of probability in a universe as large as ours.



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  • silverwhisper said on Sep 24, 2007....
    people who advocate that argument simply aren't very familiar w/ philosophy.

    ed
  • kelly said on Sep 25, 2007....
    Or math.
  • kelly said on Sep 25, 2007....
    As I think about that line " the universe being so complex and ordered" I thought that it seemed like a thought that formed in the past and failed to get updated.  Not too long ago the conception of the universe did not include the vastness that we now know to be out there.  The universe was basically the surface of the world and the regular and predictable motions of the heavenly bodies.  No wonder they thought it seemed so ordered.

    When one doesn't even realize that it is the earth that is spinning and going around the sun and not all those stars going around us all that motion would seem a very complex thing indeed.  Before we were allowed to think that the earth wasn't the center of the universe the astronomers had to invent something called epicycles to explain the motions of the moon and planets.

    Your post does bring to mind once again just how fragile and rare we appear to be even though I know that wasn't your point.
  • Antimatter said on Sep 26, 2007....

    You’re right, Kelly. The inhospility of every other known place in the universe really forces one to pause and consider the ramifications of distrubting the delicate balance of our environment. Life will undoubtedly contnue on this planet (until our star runs out of fuel, anyway), but it need not necessarily include humans.

    That being said, the consequences of global warming have been vastly overstated. :-)

  • silverwhisper said on Sep 26, 2007....
    kelly: hang on--why math?

    ed
  • kelly said on Sep 26, 2007....
    silver: Oh, I think I was conflating the idea of order in the universe with the argument that we are the only possible denizens of the universe, which mathematically speaking is next to imposssible.

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