• MoonMommy said on Jun 20, 2007....

  I've watched parts of this documentary, and yes, it is very scary.

• Lotko said on Jun 20, 2007....

  Well, thank you for reading my blog and watching the documentary. Feel free to tell people about it, we must all be aware of what's going on.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2007....

  That's the point though, they aren't going to leave you alone, nor should they if they truly believe in their religion.  If you truly believed that your actions were going to lead to the end of the world wouldn't you do whatever you could to not only prevent the end but also to save as many people as you could?  I know I would.

• Lotko said on Jun 20, 2007....

  Yes, that's what I find weird, they don't want to prevent the end of the world, they want to hasten it... Do they think that the world sucks? Well, some aspects of it do, but they're not doing anything to make it better... On the contrary...

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2007....

  Well in their case they believe that the end of the world is Jesus coming to reward the good and punish the wicked.  I would practically be tying down my friends and loved ones and doing whatever I could to make sure that they would be amongst the spared.

• Lotko said on Jun 20, 2007....

  I agree with that, they truly believe it. But being sincere doesn't make anyone harmless. Witch hunters were sure that they did torture and burn people alive for their own good, not so long ago, doctors were sure that it was a very good idea to perform lobotomies. I'm sorry, I just can't agree with people hurting others, no matter how sincere they are.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2007....

  You could if you believed in something though, least I think most people could.  I don't mean to apologize for religion, I think that basing your beliefs and your behavior on a ghost is the epitome of insanity and that if you go to church you should be locked in with the rest of the loonies. 
   
  That said if I truly 100% believed that my torturing Osama Bin Ladin would prevent 9/11 I would have done it in a heart beat.  I don't even know anybody personally that was hurt in those attacks (though if you count our dead in Iraq and Afghanistan I can say a few names that were effected later.  What's more is I would take the time out to explain to people I cared about why these people are dangerous and how we need to deal with them.  When we are talking about threats on teir with 9/11 or 7/7 or in this case THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD I would be able to morally justify some pretty harsh things.
   
  The thing is that it is exceedingly difficult to separate the fundies from the halfies to the point that it is nearly pointless to try.

• anonymous said on Jun 20, 2007....

  I am quite familiar with the Christian fundamentalist agenda. In my heart, I believe that is wrong to try to force prophesied events into being. You might as well be manipulating God, and that is something that man cannot do! In the New Testament, Jesus tells his disciples, when they ask Him about the end, that no one knows the time of the end but God the Father. That means that God already had it set in His infinite mind, centuries before any of us were born, the date of the end. Trying to manipulate deity in order to cause some sort of reaction is exactly what idolaters did in the past when they attempted to please their gods with human blood in order to bring in the rains. Is trying to force the raising of the new temple in Jerusalem any different? But I understand too that in this world of violence and depravity, Christians desparately want the promised paradise to come, however, they are ignoring God's timing and going about it the wrong way. Also, I know that Christian proselytizing may bother some people, but they are only doing what Jesus commands all Christians to do; and that is spread the Gospel. Your Christian brothers and sisters care for the world, and want to change the assured destiny of the lost. So, let's just give them a break.

• ALIENated said on Jun 20, 2007....

  Jesus Camp? That is a movie, is it not? Or is there a documentary, too? Never
  heard of it. Look, if there is a God, He has everything under control and no one
  is pulling any crap on Him. He is just sitting up in heaven (or wherever God
  sits) laughing, eating popcorn, having a Coke (God would never drink Pepsi), 
  while watching us fart around down here. If there is no God ... well, we are 
  pretty much screwed any way you look at it. We are just turds floating toward
  the spillway. I am a Christian, and I would never dream of helping God along, to
  bring about the end. Where would I start? Why would I start? You are just 
  watching anti-Christian propaganda probably produced by atheists, Muslims, or
  liberal communists. Christians care about the Jews and Israel because God cares
  about the Jews and Israel. It is really just that simple. No conspiracy. Watch
  out little eyes what you see ... you will become paranoid.
  

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2007....

  Right right.  The reformation of Isreal wasn't done by primarily Christian nations because of a belief in the sureal.  I'm all for the existance of Isreal, at this point they are there and there is no point in undoing it but no amount of German killed Jews could ever logically justify the taking of NON-GERMAN lands for the creation of a Jewish state.

• MoonMommy said on Jun 21, 2007....

  "When we are talking about threats on teir with 9/11 or 7/7 or in this case THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD I would be able to morally justify some pretty harsh things."
  the thing is Muslim extremest are thinking the same thing - they are killing for their god - they are doing it to save to world in their opinion - does that make it OK?

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 21, 2007....

  In their eyes obviously it does.

• ALIENated said on Jun 23, 2007....

  People who kill in the name of God are reporting to the same diety I call God.

• ALIENated said on Jun 23, 2007....

  Oops. 
  People who kill in the name of God are NOT reporting to the same diety I call 
  God.
  

• Trinov said on Jun 23, 2007....

  To SeanRenaud:

  Well its so cute that you are of Jewish ancestry. That and a token does not obviously make you particularly intelligent about the history of Israel. This land has been 'occupied' by Jews, continuously, even during the diaspera ie for more than three thousand years. And no one gave us back this land-as a Nation- on a silver platter, we fought all the Arab countries who attacked us on all sides, while the British helped the Arabs with arms and espionage, and all weapons we got were small arms and old Czech rifles smuggled in 'illegally'.

  What? Is the world divided in your French mind into German and non German land?  Are you then from Alsace? Sprechen zie Deutche mein herr?

  They say that everyone has a right to an opinion but if you want to have an opinion that is based on fact, or just your own ignorance, that is a different thing altogether.

  I suggest, that if you do have a half once of Jewish ancestry, that you read From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters. Why? She was a PLO supporter and wanted to prove that the Arab cause was correct. She was let into the archives of the British and found that the whole Palestinian cause was a myth. I dare you and all other very cool anti semites to actually read this book. But you won't. Quelle dommage! And if you had Jewish ancestors, cousins of yours were taken away by the Vichy government of France to be sent to German concentration camps. Does that bother you the least little bit? You do worry about the Arabs, does France's actions in North Africa ever bother you?

  As for France, where it not safe for a Jew to walk in the street with a headcovering I say La bas La France! 

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2007....

  I was wondering if I mistyped something, could you please tell me where I claimed Jewish Ancestry, if I made such a statement I apologize and recind it, though I can't find it, certainly not in this blog. 
   
  You were given it on a silver platter, a country carved from the lands of other nations.  It doesn't matter that you fought to defend it, it doesn't matter that over the last 50 years you've time and time again proven that you not only deserve to be there, but deserve it much more than any of your barbaric nations.  It has no bearing on how you got there.
   
  What? Is the world divided in your French mind into German and non German land?  Are you then from Alsace? Sprechen zie Deutche mein herr?
   
  The short answer is yes, as it is for all inteligent people.  I'm sorry that you are a retard.  Let me phrase it a different way though so you can understand it.  If England were to start slaughtering Muslims, then eventually loose a war should Isreal be cut in half and given to Palestine?  WHAT?  They didn't really have anything to do with this conflict.
   
   

• Trinov said on Jun 23, 2007....

  To Renaud:There was no nation here, it was under Turkish rule as an outback. Nobody wanted particularly to live here. The landlords were absentee Arabs, the land was rocky or swampland. 19th Century travelors like Mark Twain testified for this. Tfzat was Jewish since the Second Temple at least, so was Corazin, Tiberias was rebuilt twice, etc etc Jerusalem had a Jewish majority from 1810 inspite of everything. But you dont care about facts. Go ahead Frenchies push out all your Jews, let them come here, you'll have the Arabs to keep you warm at night. And they will. I've been waiting to have a conversation with a stupid anti-semite, You've made my day. I now know that I can't give you guys the benefit of the doubt. So I won't bother anymore. Be ignorant and rant all you want. Sorry I misread, someone else said he had Jewish ancestry. It is a relief that I don't have to claim you as anything.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2007....

  See that's another one of your silly things.  What make you think I'm anti-semite?  Because I don't believe that land should be taken to from people who weren't major players in a war as reward for people in other parts of the world?  You didn't answer my question.  How many Muslims does the US need to kill to justify Palestine?  It doesn't matter if they were absentee, it was still legally there land no?  Unless you are saying that you have the right to come into my home and take anything I haven't used in 6 months or more your point still makes o sense.
   
  Having a majority of citizens doesn't change who's land it is.  Hong Kong never had a British Majority but it was British land until quite recently. 
   
  I'm not French either, American. 
   
  Hell if you didn't pay attention cus you have trouble reading I SUPPORT ISREAL.  They are by far the best country in the ME.  It doesn't change the fact that their most recent origins were unjust.  I'm a supporter of free choice (pro abortion if you want to be a jackass) but I fail to see how the right to privacy=the right to abortion.
   
  It's ok to be stupid though Trinov, you're far from the worst on this site

• lfbno7 said on Jun 26, 2007....

  Sean, you write "It doesn't matter if they were absentee, it was still legally there land no?"  The answer in many cases is No.  It wasn't all about Jews living on land that was legally owned by absentee Muslims.  A lot of it was land that was legally owned by Jews who had paid lots of money to those former absentee landlords.
  
  To a large degree, when the U.N. granted the Jews a homeland all they were doing was allowing the Jews to govern themselves in scattered communities where they already occupied and legally owned the land.
  
  As for the later expansions, fuck em.  Arabs initially attacked Jews, and just fuck em.  If Spain attacks France, and France fends them off and advances into Madrid, hey, the people of Madrid better start saying oui oui monsieur because Madrid is now a part of France.  If you come to attack, to take what belongs to somebody else, your own shit is up for grabs.
  
  The only Arab nation in the region who ever showed kindness to Israel was Egypt, by signing a peace treaty.  I'd like to see more cultural exchange.  I'd like to see the Arab countries welcome Jews to their part of the world.  I'd like to see sports leagues including Arabs and Jews on the same teams.  I'd like to see tourism promoted, and people of different religions welcomed as tourists and as college exchange students.  I'd like to see the Arab world actually add Israel to the map.  Israel sticks in their craw because they fucking hate Jews.  I'd like to see all the people in the Middle East stop hating each other.
  
  Lotko you can't generalize that the USA doesn't support the peace process.  Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty with the involvement of the USA.  Didn't they?  Or was that just a dream?  Camp David never happened?  Or does it please you to think that it's all one big conspiracy.  You identified your good guys and your bad guys, so why bother to remember any annoying details that don't fit in to the picture you think you are seeing.  It's not so black and white.  It's not just "let's criticize the Jews and the Americans, and always side against them no matter what because I've decided to demonize them."  That isn't fair.
  
  I agree with a bunch of things you say but I just picked out something I disagree with.
  

• StupidGenius said on Jun 26, 2007....

  All religions are as bad as each other when it comes to fundamentalism. Religions sucks, god is a man made creation and its about time people woke up.

• ALIENated said on Jun 26, 2007....

  People who believe in God think they are awake, and that the atheists are the
  ones dreaming. The problem is when religion is politicized. Like when Islam is the
  only religion allowed in a country. Name a country where Christianity or Judaism 
  is the only religion allowed. As a Christian, I am commissioned to spread the
  good news. Muslims are commissioned to spread their way and kill any infidel
  that does not agree. Atheists seem adament about stamping out any religion.
  You pick the bad guys out of all that. It is not too hard if you have a brain.
  Countries that were founded on Judeo/Christian ethics are the best countries
  in the world because they allow others, even atheists, to live with them in
  peace.
  
  Trinov, there is no way to reason with pseudo-intellectuals who only know 
  about Isreal based on their government high school educations or their 
  indoctrination by liberal college professors. Israel was brought about by God,
  no matter whose hands He used to do it.
  
  

• lfbno7 said on Jun 26, 2007....

  for those who believe in the bible (i'm not one myself), it might be interesting to note that "the promised land", the land that god promised to abraham for the hebrew people, is much larger than modern israel.  it would also include syria and a good chunk of iraq.  i think jordan and lebanon would be part of it too.  the promised land was a large chunk of the middle east.  it would allow the hebrews to swim in their half of the euphrates.

• StupidGenius said on Jun 27, 2007....

   

  Alienated - What are you going on about mate, Christianity was spread with the sword by Constantine, and has been continued in history. Christianity plays a massive part of the American leadership (invasion of irag/afganistan). Just because Christianity doesn’t openly commit followers to suicide bombings doesn’t mean they don’t commit acts of terrorism in alternative ways.

   

  God is a delusion and is perpetuated by people who are barking mad.

   

   

• StupidGenius said on Jun 27, 2007....

  Hitler aslo believed in god.
   
  Need i say more

• ALIENated said on Jun 27, 2007....

  Whatever.

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