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If You Are Going to Call for a Vote...

Zayda posted on Jun 04, 2007 | views: 575 | Tags: vote, Good Lord, argument, logic, deleting comments, gorilla balls intellect, Highschool, TNP
...don't delete the comments that "vote" in opposition of you or the comments that disagree with you.

In his blog, CamDaMan, has called for a "vote" on the issue of his opinion about posting links to nude pictures here on SC versus TNP's opion about the same.

Unfortunately, anyone who posts a comment in opposition to Cam's viewpoint gets their comment deleted; thus, the results of this so called "vote" to way in on the issues is being summarily skewed by Cam and people's "votes" in opposition to his opinion are not being counted.

What makes this funny though, is in one of his own comments, he directly responds to a comment made by Silverwhisper by directly addressing Silver. But then he deletes Silver's comment. Cam's comment referring to an obvious comment by Silver is copied below for posterity:

Flag CamDaMan20 said 25 minutes ago....
SilverWhisper: What about the above do you not grasp ? Your position supporting subjecting children to pornography is shocking to me to say the least.

SC is allowed throughout schools here in New York State. What are you advocating by supporting pedophiles who use SC as their hunting grounds ? I enjoy SC, I see it continuing to grow and grow, but I refuse to not clean up the trash along the way.

Cam.

Silver's comment to which that comment refers is, unfortunately, gone to the delete button.

SeanRenaud made a very informed comment about Freedom of Speech, and again, because it is in opposition to much of the opinion that Cam is trying to sway readers toward, Sean's comment was deleted, just as I am sure my comment calling Cam out for deleting comments and skewing the "vote" will be deleted.

So, I'm copying it below:

Flag Zayda said 2 minutes ago....
It's interesting. You have deleted any comment in here that disagrees with your position and advocates Free Speech. You deleted Sean's comment and then you deleted Silver's despite responding to it in a comment of your own which indicates Silver did indeed comment here but you deleted it.

By deleting anyone who disagrees with you, you are skewing the results of this "vote" you are conducting and presenting only people who agree with you. You are falsely misrepresenting the support you have by deleting anyone who posts something that disagrees with your opinion, as I suspect this comment will too be deleted. By deleting the comments that disagree with you, you are only weakening your own argument/position; you are undermining what credibility you may have by "pretending" that those comments that disagree with your position didn't exist

BTW, the only concession that SC has asked that posters of erotica or any posts with adult material in them is that they be appropriately tagged. See their announcement regarding such, here.


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  • lioneljay said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Somebody much wiser than I once wrote that sunshine was the best medicine for democracy. Seems like it ought to apply to any democratic format, even a blog site. Thanks, Z.
  • missunderstood1162 said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Z honey I am respectfully not going to get into this one hon.  Love ya babe but I'm gonna go talk about flowers and kids.  LOL.  Holy crap.
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 04, 2007....
    some people find logic to be a distantly-second language. cam apparently finds it a distantly third language.

    ed
  • Eilan said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Facts are fer yellabellies.
  • beyondtheveil said on Jun 04, 2007....
    zayda- I fail to see what possible use, or advantage attained, by a "vote". Many comments have already been made for cam and against.

    Also, the fact that the post has been offered makes me wonder if CamDaMan20 is a username of another. Remembering the original argument of cam and the statement of having it already rendered to law enforcement makes this "vote" post seem ludicrous.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Beyond--I am not the one calling for the "vote". Cam is in his thread, and is then deleting any comments that don't agree with his point of view.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Speaking of logic, I'm copying this comment of mine here for preservation.

    Flag Zayda said 4 minutes ago....
    Cam quoth:

    In my opinion, he and those others who posted sexually explicit where doing so as many of us exchanged blows and views regarding same. So they too, were informed that children were a part of their targeted readers and fellow members of soul cast..

    They too stand in the putrid light of Child Molesters and or Pedophiles, in my opinion.

    So, Cam, following the line of logic you just presented above, anyone who posts sexually explicit topic or erotica is a Child Molester or Pedophile, right?

    Well, I guess you better tag yourself as one then too given this post of yours:

    How I seen an orgasm in Subzero Weather

    I mean, come on, you've labeled anyone who creates post that contains adult content or erotica and is tagged with the tags erotica, adult, or sex as a pedophile. So, let's face it, that makes you one too, doesn't it since a deal of your posts are about adult topics and you've posted erotica.

    Why, btw, are you addressing Silverwhisper directly in one of your comments if he didn't comment to this post?  That doesn't make sense.



  • beyondtheveil said on Jun 04, 2007....
    zayda- I was referring to his vote post.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Beyond: Sorry, but that was entirely unclear from your first comment.
  • lioneljay said on Jun 04, 2007....
    I, too, have joined the ranks of those whose comments have been deleted by the infamous Cam the moron. Here's what I posted in reply, just in case it doesn't survive:

    Flag lioneljay said 1 minute ago....
    So, Cam, you finally deleted one of my comments. I was fairly certain that you weren't interested in a rational discussion of the issue at hand. But at least I tried to engage you on a rational level, as have others whom you also blocked and/or deleted. How cowardly!
  • lioneljay said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Another exchange that's destined for the cyber graveyard:

    • Flag CamDaMan20 said 17 minutes ago....
      sure, even teens trim for hygiene and sports.

      However, you don't see a single photograph or video either.

      Pictures and video's are the lure, reading.....thats poison to kids, even teachers can't get them to read....but they all will scan the pictures and videos.

      Grow up Lioneljay, not everyone supports TNP, or child predators that support him.

      Cam.
    • Flag lioneljay said 15 minutes ago....
      Cam, did you just call me a child predator?

  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Just for preservation purposes:

    Flag Zayda said 7 minutes ago....
    Posting nude pictures of yourself online is not pedophilia, Cam, as many people have tried to point out to you. It is exhibitionist behaviour; it might be considered erotica by some, porn by others, but it doesn't constitute pedophilia.


    Read the definition of pedophilia that has been provided to you by LJ:

    ped·o·phil·i·a (pěd'ə-fĭl'ē-ə, pē'də-) Pronunciation Key
    n.
    The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

    Kelly provide the definition in a comment in your other post about this issue.

    TNP, in none of those posts, is engaged in a sexual act with children.

    TNP is doing nothing more than exercising his right to free speech just like anyone else posting here is who posts racists remarks or homophobic remarks.

    Why wasn't  SC blocked prior to this incident with TNP, Cam?  You commented in that post by TNP pretty early on.  You knew what kinds of pictures he was posting there of his naked self. You wrote erotica yourself and comment on other people's erotica, and adult themed posts from practically the moment you were on SC. So, why did you not block it from the beginning, Cam, since you knew full well the kinds of things that were posted to this site.  Or did you not read the Terms of Agreement until it was convenient for you to do so?
  • lioneljay said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Yet again: (I just wish that I had had the foresight to quote my original post to this thread, which said, essentially, that Eilan had used reason and logic and so that must have been the reason why Cam attacked her.

    • Flag CamDaMan20 said 27 minutes ago....
      I guess Mothers of past have killed their own offspring. Some have even prostituted their own children out.  Some even has sold their own kids entirely.  Perhaps EILAN fits somewhere in this group and I hit a soft spot. One would hope not, but her actions speak volumes to me.

      Thus my question: Would you defend a Pedophiles actions over your own children ?

      Cam.

      By the way, I deleted your comment because it was meaningless and totally off topic.  Talk w/ some resemblence of maturity and I'll leave your comments Lioneljay.
    • Flag lioneljay said 25 minutes ago....
      So, Cam, you finally deleted one of my comments. I was fairly certain that you weren't interested in a rational discussion of the issue at hand. But at least I tried to engage you on a rational level, as have others whom you also blocked and/or deleted. How cowardly!
    • Flag CamDaMan20 said 5 minutes ago....
      Nothing cowardly about deleting ignorance that was off topic.
      Notice your post is still there at this writing.  If you have something of substance to add or comment upon, do so, otherwise, take the bullshit elsewhere.

      Cam.
    • Flag
    Flag lioneljay said 4 minutes ago....
    Cam, you deleted a comment from this blog entry - why deny it?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 04, 2007....
    meh...what a coward.

    ed
  • Eilan said on Jun 04, 2007....
    I see that I've been unblocked, but actually trying to "defend" myself would be pointless.  We all know my views are indefensible.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Indeed, Eilan, we know that. ;)
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 04, 2007....
    you've been unblocked b/c he's deleted all of your comments. when he did that, he freed you to comment again. :>

    ed
  • Eilan said on Jun 04, 2007....
    But I only made one comment.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Right, he deleted the one comment you made after he blocked you. Because he deleted it, it undoes the block.


    If I were to block Silverwhisper and then go through my blogs and delete ever single comment he has ever made in my blogs, the system would unblock him because there are no more of his comments in my blog.
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 04, 2007....
    my god but that would take a long, long time!

    ed
  • Eilan said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Ah.  I see.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Yes, Silver, that would take a long, long time. It would be easier/faster to delete my entire fucking blog.

    BTW, someone obviously doesn't understand how other parts of SC work either--namely tagging:

    • Flag Zayda said 26 minutes ago....
      Cam, I have a question for you. How do you know TNP is the one who tagged the post with links to his naked pictures in it with the tag "girls"?
    • Flag copsunited said 16 minutes ago....

      ZAYDA,  Who cares? The fact that they were tagged that way and it was his blog makes him responsible. Now you can go back to your activities UNDER the bosses desk

      Cam

    • Flag CamDaMan20 said 9 minutes ago....
      ZAY: I have removed bad tags, and sc removes bad tags upon request.

      It remains as it has since the onset.  Either its his, or, he does not object to its intent. Either way, it shows me his intent, and thats my opinion.

      Cam.
    • Flag Zayda said 3 minutes ago....
      Cops, no it doesn't make TNP responsible for that tag if someone else tagged it that way. Anyone has the ability to add a tag to other people's posts up to X number of tags. So, the tag "girls" could have been placed by anyone who commented in that thread, including the "girls"/"women" who posted links to their own pictures.


      If someone else posted the tag, TNP cannot delete it. It takes an unknown number of clicks on those little x's beside each tag by an unknown number of separate SC users to remove a tag from a post. Surely, you haven't failed to miss the numerous discussions on here about tagging?


      There is no way to know who added the particular tag "girls", and if TNP added it, he had no way of removing it. If someone else added the tag why should TNP be responsible for that tag on his post? By that train of logic you are responsible for every tag that someone else ads on every post of yours, and Cam is thus responsible for the all the tags on this post, including "TNP is right". Now really, do you think Cam wants to be responsible for that tag?


      The order of the tags on a post, btw, does not reveal who placed the tags because the order of tags shifts on a post according to how many people choose that tag as the tag they are going to use. So, anyone could have put the tag girls on there and numerous people could have clicked that tag as one of their tags of choice for the post.


      Finally, arguing that the tag "girls" purposely lures children to the post as opposed to the tag "women" is a bit of a stretch. Including the "tag" girls, could very well have been done by any of the over 18 women who posted the links to her nude pictures in that post. After all, many a female refers to herself as a "girl" or one of the "girls" long after she is 18.


      BTW, Cops, your obviously sexist and degrading comments about my activities under the bosses desk just make you look like a misogynist moron who lowers himself to making sexually inappropriate comments to a woman who stands up to him. It undermines your credibility and just makes you look like a little old man afraid of intelligent women.
    • Zayda said less than a minute ago...
      Cam--You cannot remove a bad tag on your own. SC has made posts about this. It takes several separate users (SC doesn't reveal the amount) clicking on a "tag" to remove it as a bad tag. One click by the original poster or multiple clicks by the same poster won't remove a bad tag. It takes clicks by several different bloggers to remove them.


  • silverwhisper said on Jun 04, 2007....
    ah, super z...copsunited has no credibility to undermine. :>

    ed
  • RollingC said on Jun 04, 2007....
    It never crossed my mind that Cops or Cam could undermine you Zayda....
    You just proved what he was doing to other people that commented with something that he didn't like...
     
    Thanks for mentioning it.
    Rc
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    To preserve the rest of that conversation:
    • Flag copsunited said about 1 hour ago....

      Z YOU ARE WRONG AS USUAL.

       Change your underwear and get a load out of your pants...

      JD

    Flag Zayda said about 1 hour ago....
    When it comes to you, JD, I am never wrong. Once a fucktard, always a fucktard. You are perhaps the stupidest individual I have ever encountered in my life.

    Flag CamDaMan20 said about 1 hour ago....
    Well, ok ZAY, show me a single post wherein the NP indicates his objection to "girls" being a part of his program as a tag ? Up until now, as I read his post, I see no such objection, but can pull numerous other remarks made by him that are clearly purposely ambiguously written to invoke the tag's intent.  Be glad to point them all out if you don't want to read them over to verify this accusation yourself thereby
    trusting in my assessment thereof.   The post are there, I can not add or take away anything.  Just be a tab more open with your review and decide.

    Cam.

    Flag Zayda said 43 minutes ago....
    From Soulcast regarding how bad tags are removed:

    Flag SoulCast said on Aug 02, 2006....
    Thanks for bringing this up heartwalker. alienated, it takes more than one person to remove a tag. We won't say exactly how it works, but it looks at a few different things to determine if a tag should be removed. - Soulcast Admin

    That comment can be found here in this post.

    I am most definitely not wrong about how bad tags are removed.  It takes more than one person to remove a tag; the post owner can't do it him/herself by clicking several times.

    Flag CamDaMan20 said 37 minutes ago....
    Well, then I thank those that helped me get rid of a couple.

     However they got gone, they're gone.  But most of us always indicate a tag made tastelessly or degrading in nature is not appreciated.

     The tags to most "common" SC'ers are not viewed as absolute in most cases, however, for the millions that surf thru SC, armed not w/ the knowledge of familiarity of its characters would view same as being etched in stone.  Traffic Directionals if you will.

    Cam.

    Flag Zayda said 20 minutes ago....
    Cam quoth:
    but can pull numerous other remarks made by him that are clearly purposely ambiguously written to invoke the tag's intent. Be glad to point them all out if you don't want to read them over to verify this accusation yourself therebytrusting in my assessment thereof.
    ------------------------------

    Ultimately, though, Cam, because you are referring to words on a screen, those are your interpretations of TNPs comments/remarks.  Someone else reading them might (notice I said might not will) interpret his comments differently. 

    Reading text is always done in a context, and we each bring our own context to what we read that we lay over the context that the writer is writing within.  That's one of the reasons writing is complicated.

    So, you can interpret his comments as ambiguously invoking the tags intent, but other might not interpret them that way. In fact, others may not even interpret the "intent" of the use of the "tag" girls in the same way that you are interpreting it.  You are interpreting it's use as being purposeful in luring children to that post.

    If, by chance, one of the women who posted a link to her pictures in that post is the one who used the tag, "girls" her intent may have been nothing more than she views herself as youthful, and fun, and a "girl".  Many a female under the age of 30 still uses the word girl to refer to herself. 

    I'm not saying that your interpretation of the intent of the tag "girl" couldn't be plausible in some situations.  But there is no way for any of us to know: 1) who chose that tag in the first place, or 2) their intent.

    • Flag copsunited said 2 minutes ago....

      Huh.....I wish Zayda had put a tag on HER photos and sent them in. It would rival moms hit on the Arkasas Razorback.

      JD



    Once again, when confronted with actual reality and the fact that someone does actually know what they are talking about, JD resorts to attacking their physical appearance.  I can bet if I weren't Caucasian, an attack on my race would have been included as well.

  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    RC: You are quite welcome.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Ohhh...look: Cam is now signing hottips4U's comments. Is this, perhaps really a Cam alt, which means the bulk of the comments from another supporting his viewpoint are really being made by Cam himself?!?!?!

    Flag hottips4u said 5 minutes ago....
    Zay:  The tag is just that, yet to every "girl" the word girl would stand out right amongst other tags as penis, erection, ect. 

    The intent of the post remains as obvious now at this very moment (he obviously is aware children are looking at him and admits same in a comment on my post, and continues to date to allow the post to exist. 

    Zay:  If he did not want children viewing him from the onset, why then is the post existing knowing children are viewing even at this writing ?

    I want you to explain that to the 13 thru 17 year old soulcast members. Explain it to me too, please.

    Cam.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Preserving more of the conversation. I honestly don't believe that Cam knows who he is:

    Flag Zayda said 5 minutes ago....
    Why Cam, when did you start signing hottips4u's comments?!?

    Quoth Cam/hottips4U:

    Zay:  The tag is just that, yet to every "girl" the word girl would stand out right amongst other tags as penis, erection, ect. 

    Really, and how do you know what will attract every girl to a particular post? Can you read the mind of very girl?

    Again, the intent of the post that you are claiming is the intent is YOUR interpretation of the intent, hottips4U/Cam. 

    I and other people do not see the intent as luring minors/children to the post.

    Flag hottips4u said 3 minutes ago....
    Cam has a point, and out of your loyalty to TNP, refuse to admit to yourself that the guy has stepped way over the line, and has no regrets for doing it.

    Hottips4u

    Flag copsunited said 2 minutes ago....

    I want to know why CopsUnited started signing CamDaMan20's blogs as Meffelweeken.. Why is that??


    Zayda said less than a minute ago...
    Really, Cam, do you expect any of us to believe that hottips4U is another user when you signed Cam to her post? You are just using another account to post comments that agree with you.


    And you are making vast assumptions about my loyalty to TNP. You don't know anything about my connection or lack thereof to him.


    For me, the issue isn't about TNP; it's about free speech.


  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    And trying to cover:

    Flag hottips4u said 4 minutes ago....
    And, you refuse to answer questions sincerely put to you.

    By the way, I hit the wrong key before I was done. My name is Jessica, not Cam.  But I fully agree with Cam and share his view of all those that support TNP as the same ilk.

    Hottips4u
  • mom said on Jun 04, 2007....
    oh that is hilarious.  Good job Zayda!  What a dork Cops/Cam/hottip4u.  Will the real idiot please stand up.
  • lioneljay said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Now here's an interesting snippet from one of the offending blogs:

    • Flag copsunited said about 3 hours ago....

      Lionel Jay..when you grow up and assume a posture of maturity and adulthood then we can consider your comments.

      So far you have added nothing to this discussion except your personal stupid comments.

      Enough....in essence..shut the fuck up...

      Cam

    Note the signature and the ostensible identity of the commenter. Hmmm....
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    Ahhh...how gallant of someone of his ilk calling you immature, LJ.
  • Heartwalker said on Jun 04, 2007....
    It seems like " Much ado about nothing," Why vote when a dictatotr calls for a vote? It's obvious that the results shall be biased.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    So very true, Heartwalker.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    I am copying this comment of mine here because I made it once and it got deleted since Cam claims it makes no sense:

    Zayda said 1 minute ago...
    Then let me use smaller words for you, Cam:


    From the day you logged into SC, you knew what kinds of posts were here. You knew there were posts pertaining to adult topic, sexual posts, erotica.


    Why was SC not blocked on all your home computers from the moment you joined this community?


    You still have failed to answer why you didn't block SC from the get go; thus, you are failing to take responsibility for any part in the fact that your children saw nude pictures on a site you frequent.


    Second, this:

    Cam said: 

    have targeted children via sexually charged tags, direct tags , such as " Girls", has, in my opinion, placed him/herself within the clear light of a pedophile and needs to be prosecuted as such.


    is your opinion. It is your opinion that TNP is targeting children with sexually charged tags. Yet, you don't seem to be pointing to the sexually charged tags on your own blogs as luring children or targeting children. If TNP's sexually charged tags are luring or targeting children why aren't yours? You can't have it both ways and say that his tags are targeting children and your tags about sex don't.


    And again, the position that the use of the tag, "girls" is targeting children and luring them to the post is your opinion. It's not fact. There is no way for you to ascertain what tags make children, or any reader for that matter, view a post.

    Fourth, saying that someone who supports TNPs right to free speech is a pedophile because they support his right to free speech is a logical fallacy known as a Strawman. A Strawman is a specific flaw in logic, and you are consistently employing that flaw in logic. Just because I or anyone else supports free speech does not a pedophile make. You cannot equate one with the other.


    That would be like saying that anyone who supports your right to participate in a polyamory (not polygamy, and yes I know the difference) is a pedophile because they are supporting your right to participate in a "family" structure or a "relationship" structure that is outside the "norms" of what is acceptable in much of American society.


    Finally, a Federal Judge in Virginia had this to say about your whole ridiculous post/endeavor: You don't have a leg to stand on in a court of law.
  • Zayda said on Jun 04, 2007....
    And to preserve RollingC's comment, I am copying it here:

    Flag RollingC said less than a minute ago....
    Go ahead Cam...get mad at me also why don't you? 
    The issue here is freedom of speech....
    TNP put a disclaimer warning nice and clear....
    You should've could've put parental controls on the p/c and blocked that and any sites by programing the p/c.....and I get confused if the program is not user friendly....so I know it can be a chore......
    But you forgot or didn't think of it........
    You should've could've hired a responsible adult to babysit for that kind of money....  but honestly you got caught off your guard.....same as I was with my stepdaughter who like any horny teenager is also curious and will look at pictures of the human anatomy....specially the opposite sex........
    Turning that into a full blown discussion is ok but the fact remains that TNP has a right to post whatever he wants as long as Soulcast doesn't change it's rules.
    Just like you have the same right to post whatever you want.
    It may be distasteful to you and you have the right to complain but you can't take away TNP's right to post without taking  away your right to complain.
    Rc
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 05, 2007....
    the notion of copsunited calling anybody immature is enough to induce full-body laughter in me.

    cam/hottips continues to be a moron, unsurprisingly.

    ed
  • radioclash said on Jun 05, 2007....
    wow, his view of democracy seems about in line with our government's.

    -rc

  • 1864 said on Jun 05, 2007....
    Holy fuck you guys are wasting a lot of time on this, this reminds me of high school. You have strange priorities.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 05, 2007....
    Hi guys. What's happening?
  • silverwhisper said on Jun 05, 2007....
    TNP, nice to see you again. :>

    ed
  • mom said on Jun 05, 2007....
    I say we take another vote!
  • Zayda said on Jun 05, 2007....
    LOL. Mom, then vote, here in this thread. :P
  • mom said on Jun 05, 2007....
    My vote is Maybe!  What are we voting on?
  • Zayda said on Jun 05, 2007....
    I don't know. You said we should have another vote. Silly mom.
  • mom said on Jun 05, 2007....
    ok, I thought everyone was going to vote. Ok well never mind.
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 06, 2007....
    Why are my cyber-ears burning? Kind of like CamDaCops penis when he pees...
     
  • TheNakedProfessor said on Jun 06, 2007....
    1864 - it's the only way CamDaMan aka copsuidiot gets attention. Give him a break. He doesn't have much longer to consume precious resources and expel bio-waste.
     
    I love it when parasites try to gain popularity by writing about me. It's the second best form of flattery.
  • Zayda said on Jun 06, 2007....
    TNP: Notice, 1864 has no posts; seriously, it's probably just another alt of Cam/Cops/Hottips.
  • kelly said on Jun 07, 2007....
    "Kelly provide the definition in a comment in your other post about this issue."

    I'm surprised you caught that, Zayda.  He deleted two of my comments pretty quickly.
  • Zayda said on Jun 07, 2007....
    Oh, yes, Kelly, I caught that. I was doing some speed reading/commenting that day.

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