I am not sure homophobia makes any sense. Homophobia, to me, means one is afraid of homos. I really know no one who is afraid of homos. Do you? I would think that being afraid of the truth is much more harmful. The truth is, having sex with someone of the same gender is just having sex. Turning all that into a political movement, demands for gay marriage, and other things to change the system, that is where people get a bit phobic. We have to agree on ways to do things. We have all agreed, for a long time, that marriage is one man and one woman. We also agree to drive on one side of the road or the other (if you are in England). In this country we have decided to drive on the right side of the road. If we stop agreeing on that, there will be chaos. If we stop agreeing on one man-one woman marriage, there will also be chaos. These bigger consequences are the ones the Bible warns us of, not the person-by-person problems. You can have sex with someone of the same gender, no big deal. But when you take it home to the family (that is, you "come out of the closet"), all hell breaks loose. Even when you get over that, and mom and dad somehow accept that you are what you are, there are more problems when you take it out into the world--say when you want to get married. Now you are driving on the wrong side of the road and you start colliding with others who are still driving in the correct way. "But I have a right to drive any way I want to--this is a free country," you say. Not really. If you are a man, and you can marry another man, why not marry two men, or three? (Why not drive back and forth, across the traffic as well because, seemingly, anything goes.) Or maybe you are a man and want more than one wife, maybe even two or three wives. Why not? There are no rules of marriage anymore (we can drive around in circles right in front of someone if we want). Pretty soon marriage means nothing--anyone can do it any way they want, with as many as they want. Eventually marriage becomes a joke, but of course the devil loves when something that God started becomes a joke with us humans. Homophobia? I am not afraid of homos. I am more afraid people will lose track that grandpa had three wives and two husbands, and that my child is marrying his or her double-cousin. That is one of those bigger issues I was talking about.
ALIENated posted on May 28, 2007
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CamDaMan20 said on May 28, 2007....
Why worry about it Alien ? I mean after all, you'll be long gone from earth before anything like that becomes a common threat in a modern society in any event.
Marriage kills.........How many married people kill each other every year worldwide or take out contracts upon each other for insurance or merely revenge or better yet...freedom.
If they weren't married to each other, perhaps one or the other or both would be a live.
Cam.
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Nowteam said on May 28, 2007....
Wow Cam! You don't care about future generations? I think we should care about the human race itself...This is an interesting question because we do need to have some bottom line to keep order. When I look at the state of the world, I am so glad I decided to never have children. I would be too worried about them. -
kelly said on May 28, 2007....
"We have all agreed, for a long time, that marriage is one man and one woman."Really? How do you know that? Don't forget to count me out of that "we." -
ALIENated said on May 28, 2007....
Cam: So you prefer no marriage at all? Families are the building block of society. Destroy the family and you destroy society. The devil even knows that. That is why he is always trying to promote everything but the traditional one man-one woman marriage. Brothers and sisters, I have none. Nowteam: that is pretty common these days. Most look no farther than the end of their nose. Me, me, me. kelly: how do you not know that? I know, I know, Solomon had lots of wives, and so did others back through history. As I understand it, God tollerated it in them, but was not happy with them. Genesis 2:24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. That sounds pretty plain to me. Man and wife, not man and man, or woman and woman, or man and women. Of course, if you are an atheist, that means little to you, and we have no common ground for discussion anyway. I have to think you are wrong about most everything, not just this. And I am sure you feel the same way about the stupid Christian. So I will log your vote for chaos. Just curious. Are you gay by any chance? If not, why are you so ready to trash what God defines as marriage? Again, if you are an atheist, no need to answer. You can save you answers for God. You know. The guy you do not believe in.
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D6fer said on May 28, 2007....
Very interesting that you posted this alien....I was thinking that very thing the other day and thought about writing a similar post.....I don't fear gays either.....doesn't mean I have to agree with the social movement though. -
silverwhisper said on May 29, 2007....
alienated: but gen 2:24 obviously comes before solomon's many wives. and solomon was supposed to be wise. there's a disharmony here and i'm curious how you explain that.
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sweet_cookie01 said on May 29, 2007....
in my opinion... whether you are gay or a lesbian as long as you help in the progress of the society, does not add polution to the environment, a responsible citizen i dont think i should be bothered by them... i have learned to respect them... what i am not comfortable with (did not say i disagree ok) is that when they make themselves look cheap by flaunting themselves like drag queens out on a hunt for a customer...
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ALIENated said on May 29, 2007....
SW: Solomon sinned in various ways: he engaged in polygamy, he violated God’s commandment against marrying pagans, which ultimately led to his own apostasy, he collected huge numbers of horses (a large chariot army), and he gathered vast amounts of gold and silver. Solomon was wise, but went against God's wishes, and became a sinner. Were you thinking Solomon was without sin? Here is a little rule I use for myself: when the Bible seems to be contradicting itself, I just assume I am missing something, and I dig a little deeper. If you look at the Bible as a falable history book, you will not get much out of it. God says marriage is one man and one woman. Period. The only person mentioned in the Old or New Testament who was without sin is Jesus. Sweet: okie dokie.
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RollingC said on May 29, 2007....
There are gay members in my family. The fact that I don't approve of their lifestyle doesn't mean that I hate them or wish them harm. I know that God loves them also and since I don't have an answer or solution to this I have to let Him decide.
My personal feelings is that gay marriage is wrong as marriage to me means being with the opposite sex not the same sex.
One can circumvent the legal issues by simply doing a will or taking the necessary steps to straighten out any questions about inheritance etc.
Our society is based on the traditional roles of man and wife and any deviation of that will of course raise issues. Homosexuality has always been with us and it's now that such a big thing is being made out of it.
Rc
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silverwhisper said on May 29, 2007....
alienated quoth:
god says marriage is one man and one woman. period.
actually, no he doesn't, b/c the quotation is used in the context of explaining how people go and build a household, which doesn't actually mean marriage. had it been intended to mean marriage, the word marriage would have been used.
see, when i think the bible doesn't make sense, i don't inject my own personal bias into the text. :D
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ALIENated said on May 29, 2007....
Maybe you could wear a little straw hat and use a cane when you do those fast little dances. They would be much more entertaining. If you want to turn a blind eye to scripture and read something you heard from a gay priest into it, that is your problem. I see the words man and wife, as it says in Genesis 2:24, and that is what goes to my brain. Somehow the words obviously get muddled for you between your eyes and brain. I really cannot help you with that. If you have eyes to see, you will see, but you obviously want to keep believing the lies of the world. Again, that is your problem, not mine. As far as context, Genesis 2:24 is part of the passages in which God creates Eve, the first woman, for Adam, the first man. The context says the first thing on God's mind was man and woman, husband and wife. Here is some additional context for you from Genesis 19 ... 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city of Sodom, both young and old, all the men from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know (be intimate with) them. - - - - 24 Then the Lord rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of the heavens. I would say the Lord really, really does not like homosexuality. He totally destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their SIN. I guess He is homophobic, too, but what is to keep Him from doing the same to our great nation, which is openly accepting this sort of sin on an even grander scale? The sad thing. Many of those openly accepting this sort of sin claim to be Christians or Jews, believers in that same God that totaled Sodom and Gomorrah. Hmmm. That God. He is so intollerant.
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silverwhisper said on May 30, 2007....
sodom & gomorrah were destroyed because they tried to rape the angels. your reading comprehension is getting progressively lower and lower. but please, go right on injecting your personal bias into whatever you like, holy, profane or otherwise. makes no difference to me. :>
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RollingC said on May 30, 2007....
Silverwhisper.....I'm impressed by your knowledge and interpretation of the Bible.
I was fooled by some comments by you on other blogs that you were not very religious, at least I got that impression so I assumed wrong.
Rc
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ALIENated said on May 30, 2007....
There is just no way to reason with someone who is unwilling to believe his own eyes. Those verses are about as straightforward as it gets. It is like you are brainwashed and you can only see what your brainwashed program tells you. God loves us, but he hates sin, and from those verses, I can only conclude that He thinks homosexuality is sinful enough to totally fry a whole city. Needless to say, I am not impressed with your misinterpretation of the Bible. To say God does not think marriage is one man and one woman is assinine. It tells me you cannot read. To take those verses about Sodom and Gomorrah as something other than God's distaste "sodomites" is also assinine. Dealing with someone who is blinded to the truth is like driving one of those cars that goes left when you turn right and vice versa. I guess that is to be expected. You, being an atheist (agnostic, whatever), think the Bible is just a book of cutsy sayings jotted down by a bunch of old men long ago. Just a book to be analyzed like an old cookbook you might be thumbing through to see if any of the recipes strike your fancy, disgarding the rest. You might as well fold each page in half and make yourself a nice door stop for all the good it will do you reading it that way.
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CamDaMan20 said on May 31, 2007....
Alien ? How many Gay folks have you grew up around ?
How many have you ever dated ? Male or female
How many Gay folks have sat at you table and ate your evening meal with ?
Any Gay Doctors ever treat you ?
My Point is, your answer to the above is probably more like than not, none.
Thus, you have absolutely no personal experience whatsoever in Gay people, their lives, their struggles, or their rights as fello Americans, much like yourself.
You can not just send people to your cyber hell based upon a "book" you and others tend to accept. Other than your Bible, you are totally unarmed without the slightest bit of wisdom surrounding Gays.
Actually, at the risk of you blocking me, I'd say your a man above 50 who grew up when things were much simpler and less advised. Today, not everyone simply accepts what was written to reflect an alleged God upon the mutterings of man.
And, your failure to accept and respect other Americans show others how narrowly you live and believe life should be for all others as to the Book of Alien.
Give people a break about "your God", and learn to enjoy getting to know "people" for who they are and not what they enjoy sexually.
Cam.
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ALIENated said on May 31, 2007....
Nice speech. You might want to go back and read the original post. And please do not make assumptions about who I accept or respect, or how I live, or who I know. The anything goes attitude is a big part of what got us where we are today. Every society that thinks that is not around for long. That is a lot of what the Bible is trying to show us--the mistakes men like Solomon made, the mistakes men at Sodom made, on and on. And here we are making the same mistakes, feeling all warm inside about being tollerant members of the new age as we chant "if it feels good, do it". There are no rules, there are no laws, there is no hope, there is no God. Every society that thinks that is not around for long, either.
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silverwhisper said on May 31, 2007....
no, alienated, the text says precisely what i said it does. try engaging your brain when reading the words that you claim to hold so sacred some day, you might learn a thing or three.
rollingc: theology, and specifically christian theology, is an interest of mine. :>
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ALIENated said on Jun 01, 2007....
no, silverwhistle, it does not. You should try engaging your brain. Of course you would need one first. (I love baiting morons.) What I should learn is that some people will never see the truth, even if they see it in plain english. They have to follow their brainwashed program.
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silverwhisper said on Jun 01, 2007....
pot calling kettle, come in kettle...
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doctordan said on Jun 01, 2007....
a boy's got a penis and a girl's got a vagina!!!.....................it is that simple.............. -
RollingC said on Jun 01, 2007....
You mean that's it? Gosh, I thought it was more complicated than that....wheww ! -
RollingC said on Jun 02, 2007....
Only oversexed dogs.....but yes you're right as far as males were made for females. -
ALIENated said on Jun 02, 2007....
It is a mental problem. It is that simple. The gays and liberals got into the mental health business and declared it not a mental problem. So people are no longer getting the help they need to overcome their mental problems. That is true of so many areas. The nuts are running the nuthouse.
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botoni said on Jun 02, 2007....
Oh Yes! I m right up there with you Alien. While we re at it lets dont forget to pluck out eyes of offenders, chop off hands of the thieves, punish women who wear red dresses and stone adulterous women. -
CamDaMan20 said on Jun 02, 2007....
Monkeys do both genders also........
lots of "GODS" creatures.....swing-n-swing-n-swing......
: - )
Cam. PS: Botoni, ya 4got "cornhole the unwilling".
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ALIENated said on Jun 05, 2007....
botani: not sure how what you said relates.
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TheBeastHeMetCa said on Jun 15, 2007....
I dont believe homosexuality is anything more then a tag presented by 1940,s and 1950,s mental health researchers. I think everyman and woman has a certain sexual attraction to the image of the beast in them, that hardened fortitude of masculine strength and dominate will they desire to be under care of, bonded with and become in time, the great man themselves. It is in the man set from Adam, God saying the curse on the woman, not man, that she would have her desire in him, but his desire is in himself.My belief is that homosexuality is just a normal phase of all male character development. Many boys have sexual excitation over theirs and other mens manhood, and in sex, most men I know are turned on by the thoughts of their being the big, tough, total man doing the job, they are not directly turned on by the woman but indirectly, they associate sex with the woman as a manly act and this is what turns them on, the manhood, so what is homosexual again, a sexual excitation of men, manhood, masculinity?Sadly, today, many men are unable to find the leadership and role models and mentors needed to develope a matured male sexual drive and are stuck in the boy phase of maturity of their masculinity, ie homosexual. What we need is more men to be upright strong role models to the weaker men and whip them into shape, make them earn the marks of manhood, this would reduce the frequency of the undeveloped masculinity in men. -
RollingC said on Jun 15, 2007....
How does anyone know if the monkeys and the other creatures of God are having mental problems as they're doing these acts ? -
CamDaMan20 said on Jun 15, 2007....
Good point RC...ummm..never thought of that. Bet those folks takin pic's of those creatures never bothered to ask either...lol
I am kinda twisted here myself, I lov a bi-sexual woman, hell I love two of um in fact. But, when it comes to two men hammering each others ass, I ..can't see it, not that I damn them, it just makes my skin crawl. I'll eat pussy til the cows come home, but a guy swallowing a load just makes my stomach turn and wanna toss my cookies.
Guys also are nasty about being gay. All I have met seem to have this tendency to want the world to know they take it in the ass. Women for the most part, carry themselves with a lot more class and usually very discreet. That I can respect.
I also do criminal appeals and post conviction proceedings research for a local law firm, (I enjoy the hunt i.e.: research). Over the years and thousands of pages of transcripts, 9.9 out of ten child sex predators are in fact men, half of those admit to having been involved in homosexual acts. Women just have more class about themselves in my opinion.
Alien, a lot of folks seem to disagree with you because you make the Bible inclusive to your conversations, but few can deny your logic. Actually, I would lay you odds that if you didn't toss the Bible into the fray, many more people would be in agreement with you. In fact, I agree (don't tell anyone) with an awful lot that you say, except when you try to support it with the Bible, then I kinda sit back and watch. Not a bad thing necessarily, but for the most part I think you live a decent life and support your community, and after all, none of that is bad no matter what.
Cam.
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ALIENated said on Jun 16, 2007....
Cam, stop that nasty talk. There might be young ones listening in. -
ALIENated said on Jun 16, 2007....
botani, I now understand your comment. I saw some of your posts about being gay. Please stand back. I am afraid of you. Seriously, have you considered what TheBeastHeMetCa said?
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Tollerance said on Oct 15, 2007....
I agree that freedom is limited. One's freedom must not hurt others. However, society's norms change over time. Not very long ago have a black person as a personal slave was like "choosing to drive on certain side of the road". And people thought letting those blacks have their freedom will cause a chaos. Society has been enjoying these black slaves for thousands of years. And many Christians found compelling evidences from Bible to justify that order of business. Where will it end. But we have overcome our fear. Our fears that society will crumble down were baseless. Pain and suffering is a prophetic experience. It makes one mature and closer to God. Look at Job. He suffered but at the end victory was his. These are the arguments that we use to convince others to keep suffering. But all goes out of window when we are at the other end. None of these arguments make any sense. Then driving on the wrong side makes lot of sense. No one asked blacks if freeing them will result in a chaos. Changes do not bring about chaos. We learn to work with them. We adjust our lives accordingly. I never had any slave and my life is not any miserable. Of course, One would-be slave is happier. My friend it is not right to suppress others just because their life style does not conform to yours. I am not a homosexual. But I do not want to tell them to live their life to please me. -
Tollerance said on Oct 15, 2007....
When Lot offered his daughters to his town people, what was he thinking? You do not offer book to a blind man. Either Lot was a very simpleton or we are missing something here. If those men were gathered around his house to have a homosexual experience then he should have offered himself or any of the male members of that household. But he did not. Without going into the theological discussion we can see that homosexuality was not the issue there. Aside from that it is not nice to shove Bible down every throat. Not everyone believes in it. People have different believes. If Alienated condemns homosexuals because of his religious convictions, then whey does he not condemn those who divorce and re-marry. Apparently Bible does not allow it. Except for may be sexual sin.
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kelly said on Oct 18, 2007....
"pot calling kettle, come in kettle..."Ha ha ha ha ha! -
ALIENated said on Oct 20, 2007....
Some are easily amused. Looking back over the comments on this post, I cannot help but wonder if anyone read it. I am not condemning gay people. I am condemning the political agenda surrounding the issue. I do, however, consider homosexuality a sin just as many other things we overlook are sins.
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