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Generally speaking when I hear about an incident where the police used excessive force I side with the police.  Any time I'm unsure what happened the police are given the benefit of the doubt.  Why?  We ask our police (and our military) to go into dangerous situations that most of us are unwilling or unable to do for ourselves.  When it comes to a fight or worse a shoot out you have a split second to assess the situation and make a decision and the wrong decision could easily cost someone their life.
 
With that said I'm fucking pissed about the police brutality that happened in Los Angeles at the illegal immigrant rally.  There is reason to believe that the police were baited into action but that hardly matters when they start attacking members of the press, women and children.  I hope ever policeman involved with this action is fired, discharged (whatever they do to cops) for this outrage.


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  • silverwhisper said on May 03, 2007....
    whoa--do you have news link?

    ed
  • SeanRenaud said on May 03, 2007....
     
     
  • silverwhisper said on May 03, 2007....
    that doesn't give me a lot of information to go on. i'm reluctant to say anything one way or the other on the strength of what i'm reading in that article.

    ed
  • uniquely-ironic said on May 03, 2007....
    I'm with SW on this one.  I would like to know if any of the trouble makers were arrested.  In any crowd there is a mob mentality.  I don't know if these people bought into that, but I suspect they may have.  As far as the TV reporter, I'd be interested to know if she ran into the fray to report it or if she made the more rational decision to stay at a distance to report it.  If she interjected herself into the mob, then she put herself and her crew in danger and she should be held responsible for that.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 03, 2007....
  • mobil said on May 03, 2007....
    No benifit of the doubt here Seany, get yourself laid, take a nap and read
    the article again. You've been putting in too much time down at the blog.
  • silverwhisper said on May 03, 2007....
    still undecided. how well can someone hear when wearing riot gear? those helmets look big & bulky. if the cops couldn't hear the chopper overhead--which the second article mentions as a possible complicating factor--they might have mistaken the crowd's failure to disperse as defiance.

    ed
  • bloc said on May 03, 2007....
    I've seen a few videos of police smacking random people with batons. Completely uncalled for. 
  • dailyachesandpains said on May 03, 2007....
    I saw this on the news.  They used rubber bullets! 
    Those things can kill, as much as they say they can't.  A girl was taking cover from the 'rioting' after the Red Sox won, several years ago,and was shot with a rubber bullet and killed. 
     
    Ed:  About the chopper...I imagine that those things fly regularly over L.A. and one could become immune to hearing them...
     
    Daily
  • SeanRenaud said on May 03, 2007....
    Marine Boot Camp is next to San Diego Airport, Mirmar is in fact an Air Station with jets and coptors.  You never get immune to hearing them.  Ever.
     
     
  • bloc said on May 03, 2007....
    oh god. When I was in bosnia our tent was next tot he helipad. We worked 8 on 8 off shifts so we were often sleeping in the day and those helicopters came in right over our tent. It was the worst.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 03, 2007....
    My tent in Kuwait was next to the F-18s.  You can FEEL that fucker take off.
  • dailyachesandpains said on May 03, 2007....
    Sean, I guess I should have said used to hearing and not immune. 
     
    I lived not far from Luke, AFB in Arizona. When I lived out there, my boyfriend was stationed at MCAS, Yuma and I had to suffer many nights in Yuma. 
     
    Isn't there a big difference in military choppers with 'regular' helicopters?  I haven't been around them as much as you and Bloc, I'm just asking ;-) 
     
    Daily
     
    P.S.  I'm looking forward to catching up on your journal!
     
     
     
     
     
     
  • SeanRenaud said on May 03, 2007....
    Military ones are bigger, I think.   Honestly I have limited experience around civilian helicoptors.  You do get used to it but that doesn't mean you can hear over it. 
  • kelly said on May 03, 2007....
    As I heard it described on the radio, the gathering was not illegal.  However, they did overrun their permitted time at 6 p.m.  That's when the police moved in.

    I understand the potential for bad conflict, but it's not clear to me why a cop would outright hit the woman reporter from NPR twice and knock her to the ground.  She was apparently carring her microphone, recorder, reporter's notebook, etc. when it happened.

    Yes, it may be an emotionally charged moment, but that's what professionals are supposed to be trained to deal with.
  • sweet_cookie01 said on May 03, 2007....
    In my country police brutality is a common problem... Ive seen them batter criminals before they are brought to jail! Its too common that it seems no one is bothered by it and if there are those bothered by it like me we have no one to turn to because the police seem to take their fellow officers side.
     
    Police should be more of a peace maker and they have to have patience, utmost tolerance in such situations.
  • GrapeKoolaid said on May 04, 2007....
    The spirit of democracy meet the blunt end of the paramilitary police apparatus(in the flesh).  That reporter lady freaked out.  She screamed, "You can't DO that!  You KNOW you can't do that!"  
  • southerngirl said on May 04, 2007....
    Just like an ass hold, every human has one, but if in fact the incident did take place and I dont know the full details of the case but  I did see insert of the news clippings on T.V. which left the incident truly open as a talkable topic.

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