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We had another talk last night. He made the mistake of asking if I'm feeling better about us. What can I say? Yes? I don't think so. It's been about two weeks since our last "talk" and he thinks he's trying. I can see the changes he's making, he's trying to touch me more, he tells me he loves me more, these are things he's always done for me. I don't need more of that damnit!! He's doing his loving thing so much that I'm feeling suffocated.

He says I'm living in the past because I tell him that I've been trying for four years and that I've given him four years to make things better. He tells me that I need to start looking toward the future and believe that things will get better.

When we talked last night I asked him how much he really wants to know about what I feel. He said, "everything, complete honesty." I told him I'm not sexually attracted to him anymore. I told him that yes, my body reacts to him when he touches me sexually, I'm a highly sexual person, that's what my body does. And of course, after being denied for so long I'm going to react….I want it, I need it. But I don't want it with him. I told him this! Know what he said? "Stop thinking about the past". What? Huh? I'm telling you how I feel now. Right now.

He said, "what do you want?" I said, "I want to stay married to you, you are my best friend, we have a family together. But I want to be able to get what I need somewhere else." He ignored what I said and said, "we need to work on us, I'm trying, you just have to want it too."

So the question I have to ask myself….is do I want it?



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  • secretlife said on May 02, 2007....

    what would happen if you told him about your lover?

    or what would happen if you told him you wanted to take a lover?

  • MissMimi said on May 02, 2007....
    I could have written this, except my husband and I don't talk. I'm sorry, AN. It is a difficult place to be.
  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 02, 2007....
    Secret - I did tell him I wanted to take a lover.  He said he was worried about how much time I would have for he and the kids.  I tried to explain that I would make sure there was enough time, I would not neglect our family.  He said he wouldn't be able to let me be with someone else and asked me for more time to make things better.
     
    In a way I want to tell him about my lover, I don't like the hiding.  I think it would end our relationship.  I guess I'm not ready to that quite yet.
     
    Mimi - Thanks for the note and yes, it is a very difficult place to be right now.
  • silverwhisper said on May 02, 2007....
    i think that you've answered your question by having a lover, to be completely honest, AN.

    ed
  • secretlife said on May 02, 2007....

    tough spot to be in.  with kids, doubly tough.

  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 02, 2007....
    Ed - I'm afraid you're right...sigh...I just don't seem to have the balls (figuratively of course) to actually end it.
     
    Secret - it's only one that I'm seriously worried about.  The oldest is already out of the house.  My middle one is a teenager and is very adaptable.  It's the little one (10) that I worry about.  We've been married since she was 6 and she doesn't have her father in her life (that is whole 'nother blog entirely).
  • silverwhisper said on May 02, 2007....
    that can be a very difficult thing to do, and i have a feeling that you want to make sure what you're thinking really is the case. i think that proceeding very cautiously is the best thing for you, and for the kids.

    ed
  • lioneljay said on May 02, 2007....
    It seems that he is only hearing what you're saying and not listening to the meaning of what you're saying. That said, it's up to you to make sure that he understands what you need him to understand. It's your message so it's your responsibility to make it understood.
  • MissMimi said on May 02, 2007....
    I agree with you, LJ, but there really are people who just refuse to understand no matter how many ways you try to make yourself understood. It seems like they make the choice to not understand. It's very frustrating.
  • lioneljay said on May 02, 2007....
    Mimi, I quite understand (really!). This is one of the reasons why couples counselors have work.
  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 02, 2007....
    Ed - yes, you're right, I do want to make sure I'm making the right move...but really does one ever truly know what the right thing to do is?
     
    LJ - right on the nose!  Somehow he's not hearing what I'm saying.  I'm not very good at really being open about what I feel and always try to soften the blow if it's something that I think will hurt the other person.  That gets me into trouble because then it frequently doesn't come accross as serious as I really intend for it  to be.  On the other hand, I think short of saying "it's over" he's not going to get it.  He doesn't want to hear what I have to say...who would?
  • silverwhisper said on May 02, 2007....
    AN, we can only make the best decisions we can with the information available at the time. that's all any of us can ever do, so please don't hold yourself up to an impossible ideal? :>

    ed
  • LMari said on May 03, 2007....
    ANNON
    i realy cant imagine how hurt your husband must feel right now. to be told that your partner in life is not attracted to you. to be told that they would rather sleep around with someone else bcos they cant do it with you. damn i would rather stick a sword in my heart than to hear that from my B - for real.
     
    not to say you must suppress your own urges in life, but arent those urges kinda shallow? i mean is it love or lust that you are looking else where for? dont you love your husband or dont you lust him?or is it both? what did he do to make you not love/lust him anymore?? what can he possibly do to make it better?
     
    is it deeper than attraction? im sorry but i get a frog in my throat and chest just thinking about it. hearing your wife/husband tell you that they arent attracted to you anymore and want to have sex with someone else - even though they married you for better or worse? damn thats heavy - im not sure how anyone could handle being told something like that. i know i would die a thousand deaths!
  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 03, 2007....

    LMari - I totally understand what you're saying. I do love him, I love him very much. But after so long of having my needs ignored and trying so hard to ignore those needs myself and push them away I just simply can't do it anymore. I love him as my best friend, as a co-parent, as a partner. I do not love in a romantic way any long, no, I don't lust for him. I hate hurting him....I hate that it's come to this. It breaks my heart. I don't know how else to explain to him how I'm feeling. Does he not have the right to know how I feel? I don't want to leave him. These talks we have, me finally trying to communicate exactly how I feel...I'm trying desperately to get through to him. I want to remain married to him but I can't live this way any longer. Do you really think it's better for him if I were to continue ignoring how I feel...letting my love for him to continue deteriorating? Becoming more angry and resentful as the years go by?

  • LMari said on May 03, 2007....
    no, definately not. have you thought of couples counselling together? as intimidating as it sounds, thats what they are there for. and if you do go and it still doesnt work out, atleast you know that you have tried it.
     
    try anything - get in he's face, make him face you and the situation . you dont have to tell him all the brutally honest and hurtful things like ' im not attracted to you anymore' details. that just hurts and causes turmoil. you can say things in a more positive way like, 'im losing attraction for you' - if you say your 'losing it' instead of having it been already lost - it gives him more hope in the situation. i can guess you have probably spoken yourself blue with him already.
     
    you said he is trying, so let this unfold. it might not be exactly to your standards, but give him a chance to win you back. ofcourse you can also seek ways to help the situation as well.
     
    you iether want it to work or deep down you dont- so first figure that out. if you dont want it to work, face that about yourself. and get a divorce. life is way too short. yes you will break his heart and a piece of your own along the way. but its worth it if you realy dont want it to work out in the end.
     
    good luck with this, its a realy tough situation and i hope you both get what you want.
     
    best wishes
    L
     
     
  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 03, 2007....

    L - You have good insight. Yes, our next step will be counseling I'm pretty sure. He seems to be open to it but doesn't want to do it yet. I have gone the route of telling him in softer ways, I've been trying that for years. It's honestly not in my nature to do something to deliberately to hurt someone else, especially my partner. And I know it might not be to my standards if things get better, I've been open to that for a long time and I really think he understands that, I'm not uncaring or insensitive to his problems. I fear that it maybe to late for me. I'm afraid that deep down I am done...being honest with myself the thing that's keeping me in this relationship is my children. To leave him, hurt him would shatter him, me and hurt the kids as well. I just honestly don't know how much more of myself I can give to this battle.

    Oh, and about your comment earlier on it being shallow...I do feel that way about myself at times. How can a person let their sexual needs get in the way of other's happiness? Does that make me a bad person? At times I really think so. On the other hand, how can a person live with such a big part of their personality, their life being ignored? We are only human and being human we can only take so much before it gets to be too much.

  • LMari said on May 04, 2007....
    im not sure about sex being apart of our personality.  i think of it more as an action - not a personality trait? (well i guess thats just me) i think everyone has their desires-yes- but in relationships its so normal for things to change and somewhat simmer instead of burning hot. love is no fairytale, especially after a long amount of time - and it only takes effort to make it better- and not resisting and accepting healthy change, going with it for a deeper connection between two ppl. instead of just going somewhere else for 'self-fulfillment'.
     
    now i think maybe where you say you dont wana be honest with yourself, thats where i think the core of the problem is. its not that your husband has done anything wrong  - its that you have changed and perhaps fallen out of love/lust for him. and you realy dont want to be with him anymore. you want out? the only solution to that is to leave. believe me its worse to stay miserable for the rest of your days to keep the peace, than to leave, have a hard time, see he's hurt- but still get on track and in control of what you want. feelings, urges and love have no wrong and no right to it. it just has feelings and emotions. you cant exactly help that.
     
    i think you should face it full on, take full responsibility for your life and your desires and feelings - and do something. leave - make a clean break before things get anymore messy. he doesnt want to know of the others you have been with (unless he already does) - you will only hurt him and yourself more if you stay. you cant have your best friend at home all happy family - then go out and have sex on the side with someone else forever,  with out the two worlds collliding.
     
    my mothers been married 3times now, my father - also 3. and i could handle it and i was only 5 for the first divorce and 10 with the second. and im happy she did it. believe me kids and family/friends understand - if your unhappy, then change the situation till you arent anymore. ppl must just understand that. its not about them anyway. its your life and life is short. why the hell waste it being unhappy?
     
    do what you need to do. its so easy to do whats easiest for the short term. it would be easy to just go in denial and act like everythings honkey dorey - but long term you are killing yourself. you are denying yourself of your own desires. and then its not anyones fault but your own that your unhappy.
     
    i know - easier said than done? atleast try think it through
     
     
     
  • AnnonymousNympho said on May 05, 2007....
    L - I agree with most of what you said.  It's sad and hard for me to face this but I know I need to.  I have to disagree on one point though, it is indeed he that has changed....my feelings changed as a result.  I really appreciate your sharing with me how it was for you as a child, thank you.

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