Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me -
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
I'm not a fan of the muslims that want to
hurt people for no reason....but I'm also
not a fan of generalizing that they're all
bad...or martyrs for that matter...
To pass judgement is easy, but the truth is
we're not in anyone's head and we don't
all think alike....
The media helps by glorifying these vicious
attacks....families help by not nurturing the
young.....we help by passing judgement....
Yes, the world has gone nuts...but it
didn't happen today....it's been happening
one day a time...one family at a time....
every time a child is neglected....or a cry
for help is ignored....or people are just
mean to other people....strengthening the
hate all around....until that's all some can
see....and then, life becomes useless....
and people kill....
Parents teach children an eye for an eye...
and the cycle of violence never ends...
Yes, life is unfair...but that doesn't give
anyone the right to take people's lives over
it....
It won't bring loved ones back....and it won't
take away the pain...it'll only plant more
hate....that reproduces....
Tolerance is what the world needs...
You see it on the streets....people cutting
in lines...people getting angry over little
things...it's like a little inner ticker waiting
to go off inside everyone....
Why? Because it's been accepted...
it attracts attention....serial killers and
terrorists get more press than the people
on waiting lists for organ transplants to
save their lives....or the homeless...
why? because in some sick way...people
enjoy the violence...gives them something
to talk about....
Thanks for the comments. I definitely think I got carried away in expressing my own opinions, and labelling the entire soulcast community as one that doesn't doubt or question or has the urge to get to the bottom of an issue. However, I still stay strong to my arguement.
Brennee Lee, you said, "It's stupid to throw rocks in a glass house... and by that I mean, every single thing you're asking Americans can be turned right back around to you. Where are your people standing up to the terrorists? Where are the Muslims who are publicly speaking out against the extremists? Are you saying that there's no brainwashing going on in the Middle East, where children are shown videos of their fathers blowing themselves and others up... videos depicting them as heroes?" My response to this paragraph is not to condone suicide bombers or extremists or terrorists, but I simply ask you to put yourself in the shoes of young boy whose father,mother,sister and brother were shot or kidnapped or harassed unjustly. How exactly would you behave? And there ARE muslim scholars who are defending the truth of Islam. I do say this that the american government has probably earned the right to do what they're doing because unlike the Muslim community they stuck to their values and worked hard in areas like eduaction, healthcare and business...from the start of America's independace. The thing is this, Islam is based on the Quran, which we believe to be the word of Allah (God) and the sunnah (which is the sayings and acts of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). I have grown up in a completely secular society and the life that I lived is justice of someone being labelled as Muslim but not acting on its principles. They're actually two extremes to this spectrum- one is the extremists you see on the television and the other is probably people like I once was- the ones that don't live the Islamic life but our viewed and critiscized by everyone around them because their existence is not in conformity with Islamic rules and regulations. However, as bad as the latter category is, it is almost saying something like lets say you are a christian and your lifestyle is so sinful...the Bible must be condoning doing sins (God forbid). Over here it is SO essential to seperate man from religion, although the irony lies in religion converting your life, but unfortunately the ones that do live the religion don't show their faces in the media. They are living, struggling and striving for the best kind of existence but the world by and large does not seem them. I'm sorry- I'm reallyy straying away from the topic.
Next you said, "I also think you're wrong to assume that all Americans are ignorant of your religion. You'll find a lot of intelligent people here, you shouldn't make assumptions like that about people you don't know. "people who have lost their heart and soul"... who are you to say such a thing?" When I said people who have lost their heart and soul I in no way point fingers at the americans...infact I point fingers at the Muslim community who has strayed so far away from the life that they should be living, that the murder of their brother or sister ceases to affect them in a human way anymore.
You said the minority is not unjustly opressed. I disagree with that because the minority is opressed- Muslims are NOT as powerful as the Jews or christians. That is fact. Who is being victimized these day- the Muslim people, the Muslim countries, the religion itself. However, the response to this opression is wrong- and I agree 100% with you on that. We hear of some wrong and we bomb the american embassy in our area, or profitable business buildings or boycott Israeli products. This is all so screwed up, but I get why the people do this. It is quite unfortunate but we have definitely dug our own grave. Instead of focusing on education and rising in fields like politics, media, business, sports and medicine. This is a mistake. And a costly one. Since we can not express ourselves through these rational and sane mediums, we are going about expressing ourselves in the only way we can. There are the scholars and doctors and businessmen who are muslim but either they are not strong enough to present themselves to the world or their lifestyle is so unislamic that all they want to do is fit in and integrate with a culture which is not Islamic.
Finally, you said, "As for not caring about 10 Palestinian children being shot.... we care. Well, I care... the problem is, it happens so much, we become numb to it, and that's said... it really is. Thing is, In that culture it's not out of the norm for people to be shot in large amounts, on a daily basis. (and our country is screwed up? o.O) The shock goes out of things like that when they start becoming expected. And here, we expect such things from the Middle East." The problem that it happens so much we become numb to it- see now that is some messed up psychology. You expect large-scale unjust murders to happen on a daily basis in the Middle East- what does that MEAN?
Anyhow, thankyou so much for your responses and I love what mystrongopinions said about promoting tolerance- once again, something we all hear SO much that we become numb and immune to it. It stops having an impact on us and we drown it out with all the rest of the things which should-be-done-for-a-better-world. And enjoying violence is sick but true.
Hello Bren-
Thankyou so much for your comments. They honestly make me open up my mind more. Everyone succumbs to believing that their ideology, way of life or rights are number 1 on their list, when in reality that is hardly the case.
You gave the example of a child-abuse victim growing up to harm other members of society. That actually does fit the case of a suicide bomber well enough. They are both members of society who have had something done to them so in their mind they feel they need to take their revenge- it doesn't really matter who the victim is. But then why is it that the latter is labelled a terrorist and not the former?
Muslims do oppress themselves in this day and age. What we believe to be the word of Allah aka the Quran and the teachings on the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) contain the guidelines for living a life. If you research Islam a little bit you will find that Islam is a code of life. We have been taught how to eat, sleep, go to the washroom, do business dealings, pray, fast, go for pilgrimage, uphold good qualities, rush to attain good deeds, forbidden from alchohol, pork. Basically everything that we do, we have knowledge of the Islamic way of doing it. However, our religion also STRESSES innumerable times on knowledge- the attainment of knowledge. And thats where we went wrong- the extremists as we see them have TONS of knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah (way of life of the Prophet (peace be upon him)) but ironically they don't believe in attaining secular or worldly education as we call it. Its so unfortunate and when I grow up a little bit more I will definitely try looking and doing something about this issue. There needs to be awareness amongst the youth- also Muslim nations suffer from poverty. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that the way to go is to live the best life you can live on an indivisual level- and from there you go about helping members of your community.
I understand your stance on hearing about deaths of young children in the media. Its like that for anything really. You hear it too much- it hits you for a microsecond and bounces right back off. But that doesn't change the fact that its a death.
Anyhow, I hope we can grow to understand eachothers differences and dwell on the similarities. Because afterall being human is fact enough to understand eachother a little better. Plus soulcast is wonderful :) !
hey bren-
thanks for the comments. By the way, this is kind of strange but for some reason I thought you were a man all this time. In this last post when you mentioned your husband- I was like woahhh bren's a lady! Hehe :P...
I'm from Pakistan. Don't think there are many soulcast members from there. Its a beautiful place- the north is filled with some of the highest peaks of the world. However, I live in the south, next to the arabian sea so I have the beach. But as the saying goes the grass is greener on the other side- when I become a bit older- I definitely want to climb some of those northern peaks and maybe even by a little cottage and teach the children over there. Wow I am already getting happy. Hope to get to know you better too :)!
I speak of a peaceful world, that you and I know no longer exists. It probably never did- but I wasn't as involved in the activities of the world as I am now. I justified the murders of innocents and terror- I compared the virginia tech killers attitude to the attitude of a suicide bomber. I said I DO NOT condone suicide attack activities because Islam is a peace-loving religion. However, I said that if you kill someone brother, sister, mother, father, son, daughter, wife, home, work-place and treat them like dogs for NO REASON- that gives them the right to be psychologically disturbed. The virginia tech killer did not have any of these unjust activities happen to him- how many people did he kill. And why was the word TERROR no where to be seen. Is killing 33 INNOCENT people not an ACT OF TERROR?! Exposed myself- I thought I was speaking to a rational group of people on soulcast- explaining to them why the muslim nation is having things done to them which no other nation has to face. So now I don't even have the right to freedom of speech- and should just not even identify the problem with my own community?! How exactly did I lie- for me, muslims being killed in palestine, lebanon, bosnia, kashmir are all equivalent to a muslim brother or sister dying.
I do agree with you that our community is divided and those were some of the issues I wanted to talk about on soulcast, but since speaking about the truth is 'exposing myself' I guess its better to remain MUTE! Muslims are patient and try to behave in the best of manners but enough is ENOUGH!
I am a peaceful muslim- and I am speaking up. Allow me to without critiscizing my writing.
أنا لا أفكّر أنّ قد خلق إسلام هذا "إرهابية مشكلة". أنا أفكّر هو أكثر حول شروط في البلد, بما أنّ في السياسة وثقافات من هذا بلاد. أنا لا أوافق مع دين في سياسة ول [ألّ ث] حالة في تركيا, يتمّ هم كثير على نحو أفضل من كثير بلاد. غير أنّ لماذا هو كان هذا طريق? هو ليس حول [كورن] والتابعة معدّلة إسلام. هو حول يتطرّف سياسة ويساند زعيمات مؤكّدة, سياسيّة وكتابيّة في النخبة, هذا جدول الحالة كره. ال [أتولّه] خميني, كان هو رجل مقدّسة أو دكتاتورة? هو كان قنعت ك [سفيل ريغت لدر] أثناء الثورة في إيران وكيف أتمّ أنّ [تثرن ووت]? الآن يواجه نحن [وّيي] بسبب الإخفاق من بوش سياسات, الحكومة إيران والعجز أن يحلّ النزاع [إيسرلي-بلستينين]? يتلقّى كثير الناس لاشيء أن يتمّ مع هذا. هناك ما من ديموقراطيّة, ما من صوة من الالناس, الذي يكون يسكت من خوف من هذا متطرفات. لماذا لا يفهم الحكومات غربيّة هو يستطيع لا يكون حللت من خلال حرب? هو أيضا على نحو خاطئ أن يكره مهاجرات من [ث ميدّل ست] ولا حاولت أن يساعدهم مع معرفة, أشغال وفقر? لماذا [إيوروبن] خصوصا يتلقّون [أنتي-يمّيغرنت] وقت وميّزت [أن ث بسس وف] دين وجنس? هو يقود إلى عزل في [غتّوس], أيّ أنت يستطيع رأيت الآن. أنا لا أوافق مع إنحراف قوّيّة [أنتي-وسترن], غير أنّ لا يعني هو أنا أوافق مع سياسة خارجيّة أمريكيّة أو الاحتلال فلسطين.
I do not think that Islam has created this 'terrorist problem'. I think it is more about conditions in the country, as in the politics and cultures of these countries. I do not agree with religion in politics and for all the anger at Turkey, they are doing much better than many countries. But why would it be this way? It is not about the Koran and the average follower of Islam.
It is about extremist politics and certain leaders, political and clerical in the elite, who support this agenda of hate. The Ayatollah Khomeini, was he a holy man or a dictator? He was disguised as a civil rights leader during the revolution in Iran and how did that turn out? Now we face WWII because of the failure of Bush's policies, the government of Iran and the inability to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Most people have nothing to do with this. There is no democracy, no voice of the people, who are silent out of fear of these extremists.
Why don't the Western governments understand it cannot be solved through war? It is also wrong to hate immigrants from the Middle East and not try to help them with literacy, jobs and poverty? Why do Europeans especially have an anti-immigrant stance and discriminate on the basis of religion and race? It leads to segregation in ghettoes, which you can see now. I do not agree with a strong anti-Western bias, but it doesn't mean I agree with American foreign policy or the occupation of Palestine.