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I've hesitated to post this because I know I have so many difficulties with my husband that you've all been privy to.  It must seem like whining and complaining about him has become an unattractive habit I've picked up along the way.  In the post I wrote about my father-in-law, I tried very hard to explain that I understand why my husband is the kind of father he is.  
 
Through the years of our marriage, I have more or less picked up the slack and mothered twice as hard to make up for the lack of fatherly emotional support my children had.  It may not have been the best solution to the problem, as it came with a price I am now paying.
 
Something happened last Friday that was truly a light bulb moment for me.  B surprised me by taking the afternoon off.  I heard his key in the lock about 1:30, and after I figured out who it was and not some bad guy, my first reaction was "Go back to work -- I don't want to deal with you now!"  Being in my husband's company has become something to be endured.  I dread his coming home nearly every day.  Just like I used to dread my father's coming home.  Bingo.  I've somehow connected my husband and my father.  My reactions to them are very similar.  Mostly I just shut up and withdraw, and take a deep breath when they leave.  
 
This is my shameful little secret.  B and I no longer share a bed.  No big fights, no drama; one night became two and then three.  It's been surprisingly easy to become accustomed to it.  It made me sad at first, but I don't even feel that any more. 
 
Our sex life is non-existent.  I'm pretty convinced that we'll never be intimate again unless I initiate it.  We now have the stereotypical middle-aged sexless marriage.  Sometimes I wonder if all the women who reach their 40's and 50's and lose their libido aren't just tired and fed up with their marriages.  There's that inner cynic again. 
 
This situation has become the elephant sitting in the corner that neither of us acknowledges.  It's settled in, and the pile of dung is getting deeper and deeper.  We need to talk.  It's just that simple and just that complex.  I doubt we ever will unless I, once again, bring the subject up.  It's the right thing to do, and I should do just that.  I should.  But I can't bring myself to do it.  Not yet.   
 
 


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  • Alyss said on Apr 10, 2007....
    {hugs} mimi. Very, very big {hugs} for you.


  • lioneljay said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Damn those elephants that insist on occupying the middle of the room. There aren't enough peanuts in all the world to lure them away. 
  • mobil said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Mimi, in many relationships there is usually one person who is better able to
    communicate than the other.
     
    From what you're telling me, in your relationship, that person is you, But, for whatever reasons you are unwilling to begin a good talk.
     
    Listen Mimi, this ain't none of my business, but I'll give you my three cents
    anyway. Shame on you, if you can fix this and won't because you will not
    start this much needed conversation, then shame on you Mimi.
     
    Look, life is too fucking short to play games with it. You have the ability, I
    know this because I read you here often. You have the capability to explain
    and define yourself and issues.
     
    What are you going to do, grow old and have this to look back on and
    regret? Fix it Mimi, make life as good as you can, you deserve it as does
    your man.
  • TinSoldier said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Mimi, I wish I had some wise or comforting words for you, but I don't. I might listen to mobil but I don't know your situation well enough to say one way or the other.

    So all I can do is offer you a hug and some encouragement to keep trying.

    You know, I've never done it, but some of the self-help articles I read suggest seeking counseling. Have you thought of that? Again, I don't know whether it's a good idea or not.

    Still it's sad to see two people drift apart when they obviously had to have something to begin with. What does your husband feel about all of this? Does he want to be closer or do better but because of his past experiences he just doesn't know how?
  • beyondtheveil said on Apr 10, 2007....
    mimi- If you have tried this conversation several times before to no avail, I agree with tinsoldier. If you haven't, I agree with mobil. Not much help, huh? I just can't think of another route.
  • queenparanoia said on Apr 10, 2007....
    i know i'm in no position to give advice since i never been married. i never even had a rlationship before. but talk to him miss mimi. maybe just like you he wanted to talk too and he's just waiting for you to make the first step. kill the elephant!!
  • secretlife said on Apr 10, 2007....

    mimi: 

    i was going to put up a post today about my non-existent sex life.

    I decided not to.  it makes me too sad to write about it.

    I'm sorry you're so sad about the changes in your marriage. and i'm sorry he is sending the message to you that it isn't important enough to him to discuss.

    i know the message only because my husband sends me the same one.

  • mystrongopinions said on Apr 10, 2007....
    My soul sank as I read your post....how sad it is
    to witness the slow death of a relationship....
    It agonizes...as we do, but very rarely does
    anyone have the courage to pull the plug...and
    try to breathe without the toxic life support a
    simple and unfulfilling marriage can represent...
    but it's what is known....and change is so scary.
    The awful blows to ones self esteem....when
    there's noone to look at us with the want and
    desire we long for....the search for a reason
    to keep smiling...
    But it takes two to tango...and I learned that
    by jumping without a parachute...around the time
    he stopped looking at me...I looked at myself...
    and once I learned to love what I saw again...
    I found that I was worthy and able to attract
    the caring eyes that I was so longing for....
    they might not have been his....but, I'm still
    smiling....
    My sanity....for some tenderness and attention...
    I don't regret it....
  • Zayda said on Apr 10, 2007....
    It's a funny thing being the one who is always the communicator, sometimes, isn't it Mimi. If you are the one with the ability to communicate, you are always the one doing the reaching out, no?

    I can almost see it. It's not that you don't want to fix the problem. Because you do.

    But sometimes, just sometimes, you get tired of being the one who is always doing the reaching out, who is always making the first move.

    Because the truth is, deep down it hurts to be the one who is the one who always reaches out first, who always steps forward first and who lays bare that  confusion, and pain first. It's the risk of being the one who is always vulnerable in that initial moment of reaching out.

    You have nothing to be ashamed of. Because just sometimes, you want to be the one who is reached out to. And there is nothing wrong with wanting that.   You want to feel like that he feels like you are important enough to reach out to.  And right now, you aren't feeling that because you are the one who always makes the first move to try to fix things. 

    {{{hugs Mimi}}}

    I wish I had some miraculous suggestion for how to move past that point where you are tired of feeling vulnerable and unimportant, but that's a hard one.  I haven't figured it out myself very well some days.
  • shadow_song said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Mimi--I am sorry you are so sad.  If I may...

    {{hug}}

    And Zayda is right, you have nothing to be ashamed of.
  • lioneljay said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Mimi, it seems to me that you signed on for a partnership but ended up in a solo practice with an employee who doesn't earn any income (ironic analogy, isn't it?). You, like many spouses, are a victim of false advertising. Some people simply aren't themselves during courtship and as soon as the deal is sealed they revert to their true narcissistic self. Some, and this may be more accurate in B's case, simply grow inward over time and lose the capacity for empathy.

    Anyone who suggests that you continue to reach out as if nothing has happened, as if you hadn't been the only one to reach out for the last twenty-umpty years is full of shit (I'd put it more plainly but this is a family blog).

    Personally, I'd suggest ordering a sturdy flogger over the net (happy to recommend a source if you'd like). Then you must wave it before B, announcing that you're going to start learning how to use it on his tender epidermis in the immediate future if he doesn't do something to reverse the situation that has developed between the two of you. Tell him it's a simple choice: initiate or flagellate.
  • mom said on Apr 10, 2007....
    Mimi- you have gotten some real good advice here.  I know it eats at you and I have never thought you complained too much.  I know you have a lot of love to give, I also know you are a very passionate person.  I don't know what your husband feels and you don't either, and you won't unless you talk to him. You told me that you have always had to make the first move. That might be because he doesn't know how to.  I know what you are feeling. Sometimes it just makes us mad that we have to swallow our pride and make that move.  Mimi, you are unhappy because he has never been aggressive.  Resign yourself to the fact that he isn't going to change.  Find good things he does everyday and look at it as a trade.
    I know that there is a time when you can connect with a man and both will open up, it is usually before or after sex.
    Mimi- go and get your man!
  • TinSoldier said on Apr 10, 2007....
    My respect goes out to Zayda and mystrongopinions. Those were both wonderful posts, even if the ideas they made were slightly different from one another.

    Even I, as a guy, can relate to those feelings. I hope some of our responses help you out in some way, Mimi.
  • solsearcher said on Apr 10, 2007....

    Dear Mimi, I found some comfort in knowing im not the only one frustrated in my marriage.  I find myself so frustrated being the only one to initiate conversations with my husband when he is ignoring because he's pissed off at me again for some strange reason that Im supposed to drag out of him.  We go from being ok to him sulking around not speaking to me until I cant take it anymore and I confront him about it.  I am so very tired of it always being ME.  Otherwise he would just live with that elephant in the room for who knows how long.  i just wanted to say that understand somewhat ur not wanting to talk about it with him just yet.

  • truthsayer said on Apr 10, 2007....

    MissMimi, you have a big heart, and a tender heart.  You cannot fault him for loving you, or, maybe being a little intimidated by your eloquence either ; ) 

    You have good friends in here, and that can only be because you are a good friend.  Mobil, Zayda and mom know you particularly well, don't they?  I think I would listen...I mean, what do you have to loose?  You have so much going for you, you deserve to have that talk...no matter who starts it, don't you?  You wouldn't want to do as you say, and look back at a moment in time, where you might have been able to change that future, with giving a little bit more...

    I do know how you feel though.  I just want to remind you what Zayda, Mobil and mom said, that is so true.  The other one?  The one that is not the proficient communicator?  It is really really hard for them.  At least, it usually is. 

    Is there a chance that he has gotten used to waiting for you? 

    Just a thought.  I know how self-protective we humans can be.

    I know you will do what you know needs to be done (whatever that is, you'll know); cuz that's the kind of lady you are...I can tell.

    truth

  • polarheart said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Mimikins, I have nowhere near enough years of marriage under the belt to give any kind of "advise". . .I can only speak of my own experience.  You may not believe this, but the following that you wrote, hit home to me too:
     
    Bingo.  I've somehow connected my husband and my father.  My reactions to them are very similar.
     
    There was a point quite early in my marriage, around 5 years, that I became increasingly aggitated with my husband.  I felt like that there was no end in him irritating me and I felt embarrased by him.  My aggitation turned to anger and in turn he became the brunt of me lashing out and withdrawing.
     
    Anyway, I went to go and see our pastor's wife, because it was coming to a point that I was sure that I couldn't go on.  She did a session of inner-healing with me and to cut a long story short: I still had all those childhood emotions towards my alcoholic father locked up inside me.  Although my husband was so far removed from my dad, little things would trigger those emotions to surface.
     
    It was a turning point for me in my marriage.  I dont want to go into all the details here as they are quite personal, but I will be happy to share it with you via email if you want (?)
     
    Mimi, I just want to say that as long as you both have breath there is still hope for your relationship.  I am sending you kind thoughts and much love your way.
     
    Polarcakes xox
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 11, 2007....
    mimi, perhaps one way to approach this, should you decide to do so, is simply join him in "his" bed one night? it's really quite simple, isn't it? no need to talk and surely it hasn't been long ago enough that you don't remember the rituals that go along with it?

    the talking, the need to talk: you feel these things. so let me ask a few questions: what's your leading theory on why he doesn't? you spend that long with someone that you get to know his habits--whose decision was it not to sleep in the same bed?

    [hug]

    ed
  • boyzmom said on Apr 11, 2007....

    I can't relate to this situation but I just wanted to say, it always works out in the end no matter what we decide to do now.

     I never had a problem talking to my ex-husband, as a matter of fact I had to learn to stop talking when he was too drunk to listen. He refused to open up to me about some of the abuse he suffered as a child and I am hearing more about it now that we are not married. I think he tries to get people not to like his mom so they don't tell him he's disrespectful to her.

     Maybe that is part of your problem, there's either too much respect causing you not to want to bring up what's bothering you or there's not enough respect to cause you to not care about what is going on inside his head. Just a thought.

  • missb said on Apr 11, 2007....
    MissMimi,

    I'm truly sorry about your situation. Sometimes i wonder whether i'd be in the same situation when i'm married :/ I get a bit scared, cause right now i'm still very idealistic about marriages. I can only offer you this [[[[[[[[tight hugz]]]]]]]] and pray that it'll change someday soon.

    Cheers!
  • anonymous said on Apr 11, 2007....
    me too.  same situation. I am divorcing him - its no way to live.

    http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com
  • dailyachesandpains said on Apr 11, 2007....
    {{{{{{{{{{MIMI}}}}}}}}}}}}
    I wish I could hug you in person! 
    My Husband and I end up in different rooms every night.  It's because one is keeping the other awake though.  I get a little sad about it, but there's nothing either of us can really do.  If it's not me, it's him and if it's not him, it's me. 
     
    {{{{hugs}}}}
    Daily
  • gingersoul said on Apr 11, 2007....

    Mimi.......you ask....is this what happen to couples? A sexless life?

    No...it doesn't have to happen ....

    But sex at the end was what kept together my ex and me...great sex, more than twice at day sex, adventurous, hours long sex, until the dawn sex...sex even the last night we spent together before he left me the mornign after......

    Sex was our way to communicate. And it was a tender, passionate, violent, sweet, hurried, long, sensual sex. Any kind of sex you might think of.... we had it.

    Did the sex alone save us? No. We are divorced.

    What didn't save us was: communication, soul intimacy, partnership.

    Our couple therapist told us we were like two foreigners speaking two different languages and sex was our dictionary.

    I have been like you: always the one who wanted to dig, talk, understand. He was the one uncapable of helping me out when i was upset or depressed. So i started to look for emotional support somewhere else. My friends would listen and talk my same language. But in doing so both of us stopped to go to the other one to grow together....

    We found out we didnt have anything in common anymore.  Yet, i have been until the end the one willing to rebuild, restart, renovate, refind.....but it was too late.

    You have two choices, Mimi: talking to us about him or going to him and talk to him about yourself, about your marriage.

    I would do like LJ suggest: slip in his bed and love him THEN finally talk. Until is dawn and you have no more voice.....without anymore secrets. You have nothing to lose so you cant lose anything.... not even your pride.

    There is no proud in living a life filled with frustration and loneliness.

    If you love him or simply if you want a better, healthier life for yourself..

    Just open that door and your mouth. Do it for yourself, first of all. 

    Unless you don't talk because you are afraid of what he might say....

    But this would be a whole differen story, isn't?....

    Are you a coward?

    {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} 

  • skald said on Apr 11, 2007....
    MisMimi. Honey you said it. If you really want to change this you have to talk to him. But do you?

    {{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}
  • gingersoul said on Apr 11, 2007....

    Mimi....and i should have added that I know you are not a coward.......{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}.

  • MissMimi said on Apr 11, 2007....

    There is so much wisdom here.  The number of responses touches me very much. 

    I can only tell you that through the 29 years of our marriage, I have initiated these uncomfortable conversations more times than I can count.  We talk, or rather, I talk, pour my heart out, and get very little response.  That's very frustrating for me, and I'm sure for him as well.  I understand that it's hard for him to deal with emotions, which is why I kept trying. 

    Am I a coward?  Yes maybe.  I'm afraid that if I reach out again, it will mean more frustration, and rejection.  Or maybe I'm afraid that he'll be receptive, and that will leave me with some very difficult choices to make.

  • silverwhisper said on Apr 11, 2007....
    i don't think that's cowardly. i think the cowardice is his. b/c i can think of no other reason why someone would be utterly unable to respond in any meaningful way.

    has someone made the mistake of calling you a coward?

    ed
  • lioneljay said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Ed, note ginger's post from about 3 hours ago, and then again her amendment to it about an hour later.
  • Alyss said on Apr 11, 2007....
    mimi cowardly is most definitely not a descriptor I'd apply to you.

    Those of us who know what it is like to continually reach out and get nowhere understand as do many others. The lack of response is the killer here since a one sided conversation achieves very little.
  • mobil said on Apr 11, 2007....
    I think Mimi, you already know what you are going to do, or need to do. The
    thing I hate most in life is regrets. We all have them, but we can reduce the
    numbers of them from here forward by doing those sometimes difficult
    things.
     
    When we look back on what we did or should have done, there are those
    good things and the not so good. We know now in hindsight that we could
    have handled certain things better. By the time we are fifty we have gained
    wisdom and insight.
     
    Use what you've learned in these years Mimi. You are a bright and funny
    lady. That your husband has a limited personality often leaves you no other
    choices. Use what you have to strengthen your relationship.
     
    If you've done it a thousand times, perhaps it will take another thousand.
    What are your options? I didn't mean you any shame Mimi, what I meant was
    it would be a shame if you could and you didn't make things work.
    All my best to you in this.......thank you Mimi
  • gingersoul said on Apr 11, 2007....

    LJ.......thank you .....{hug}

    SW and Alyss.....i used the term coward.....but it was in a rhetoric way and I think Mimi understood perfectly what i wanted to say......

    and, Alyss, in my comment i explained that myself i reached out for a long, long time....until the end...so i know what it means...

    Its indeed true that sometimes we suffer and yet we prefer not to take that ultimate step that could put us out of our comfort zone........and we we drag our partner and ourselves in a well established routine...we suffer each in our separate way ....

    Be strong Mimi.....{{{{{hugs}}}}

  • Chudditch said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Ok I could be wrong (scarey thought isn't it) and tell me if I am.
    First off a disclaimer, I have no answers or solutions my dear friend, I guess the whole point of this reply (besides all this padding to impress you with my verbosity) is to say that I think I understand your fears (see first sentence once again).

    I suspect it's not entirely the act of being the one to break the silence, although that in itself is can be demoralising, especially when it has gone on for years, there comes a point where you get sick of being "the bigger person", I think Zayda covered that pretty well.
    (The padding seems to be going quite well don't you think)

    Ok ok, I'll get to the point, to me the the biggest fear is not the conversation, but where it will lead, there are obviously a few things that can result from a serious confrontation, some worse than others. I can understand how you would feel trappped, damned if you do damned if you don't.
    As I said I have no answers, just know that you have friends and family you can lean on, no matter what you decide to do.

    This could be a completely pointless post if I have the bull by the wrong end, but either way you know I care.
  • botoni said on Apr 11, 2007....
    MissMimi.....You ve been given tons of advice here and all of it is well thought and well intentioned.
    There was a time when I was like your husband. Totally incapable of discussing and responding to anything along the nature of the kind of talk that needs to happen, and that has already happened many times. MissMimi......I just froze. Nothing would come out. I was screaming HELP inside but could not get it out. Yes....the connector was a long string of abuse. There was no way to force me to talk, no pleading, no begging, no reasoning would grant me permission to open up.
    The reason I m telling you this is as follows. First you have done all the right things. You likely will continue to do them. The problem isnt you. Your husband may not be capable of reaching out, not because he is bad, or even because he doesnt have love for you. He seems to be tied by the damages of his childhood.
    What to do? Already I know he will resist counselling. If he will go for help things will change. Like the horse to water, MissM, you can lead him to it but you cant make him drink. Just hope that he will.
    You re in my prayers.
  • dailyachesandpains said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Mimi, I've got a quick post coming out soon for you!
    Daily
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 12, 2007....
    LJ: ah. i appear to have missed that.

    GS: i'm glad you added that addendum. without it, that would have been a problem.

    ed
  • mom said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Hi Ed *sits by Ed and offers him a cookie*, so how ya doing?
  • Alyss said on Apr 12, 2007....
    ginger, I was actually responding to mimi's reflective questioning. I hadn't seen your post but now I have I'm glad you clarified what you meant.
  • mom said on Apr 12, 2007....
    I can't see Ginger ever saying anything mean.
  • MissMimi said on Apr 12, 2007....
    She didn't. I understood exactly what she meant.
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 12, 2007....
    mom: wait, what kind?

    anon, not everyone replies that quickly. hell, even i don't reply that quickly sometimes.

    ed
  • skald said on Apr 12, 2007....
    MissMimi. Botoni said all I wante to say. So I will just say it again. You have not done anything wrong. You´ve done all the right things. He is just so tied up. I know that kind, only too well. ♥♥
  • polarheart said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Mom: If its an OREO, I want one too please! :-)
  • MissMimi said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Anon, I deleted your post because I'm not going to allow anyone to start any ugliness here. All the comments, including the ones that asked some tough questions, were thoughtful and well-meaning. Yours wasn't. I don't want to block anonymous posting, but I will if it continues.
  • polarheart said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Good for you, MissMimi, I did not see what anon had to say, but that is just as well.  Much love and warm embraces, Polar xoxoxox
  • dailyachesandpains said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Mimi:  I want little box to cheer you up!
    {{{hugs}}}
    Daily
  • silverwhisper said on Apr 12, 2007....
    there's a naughty comment in here but somehow, it's just not coming to me...

    :D

    ed
  • MissMimi said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Ed, you are incorrigible. :D
  • mom said on Apr 12, 2007....
    I used to have a little box but now *sigh* it is just old and floppy. :(  I even whistle when I walk.
  • botoni said on Apr 12, 2007....
    I think there s a song about you mom..."Whistle while you walk....lalala"
  • MissMimi said on Apr 12, 2007....
    You mean she's got the Seven dwarves in there???!
  • botoni said on Apr 12, 2007....
    Must only be six....I m counting.....Doc, Dopey, Snoopy....oh wait...I m out here and I m Sleezy............yup only 6.
  • anonymous said on Apr 14, 2007....

    I was in a marriage that lasted over 17 years to a very dear woman. I know it sounds ridiculous, but the marriage we began with eventually became a friendship, any sense of intimacy had disappeared, and we divorced.  Our three kids were shocked. There had been no fights, either verbal or physical... ever. I believe we cared for each other, but not as husband and wife. 

    I'm very happy to say our friendship has endured and we have lived with a shared sense of mutual respect for over 5 years now. We have always presented a unified parental front to our kids to reinforce the unconditional love we have for them and the strength of that parental love. They have always have come first.

    I adore my children, all five of them. We have one of those families that has been combined and now has begun its exponential growth as all of our kids become adults. First my stepson had a son just after highschool with his sweetie. These two amazing Mellenials have beat the odds and have put together a wonderful family. They have proven that young people can make a commitment to each other and to their children. They are now a family of four as they have honored us with two sweet grandchildren. The oldest is a young boy of just over five years while his little sister (whom he would take a bullet for) is not quite 20 months old. Our little granddaughter bears a striking resemblance to my dear wife. It excites me to think another human being with my wife's magical smile and pixie-like ways will be part of the family. 

    Mimi, I'd like to write more, but I guess the jist of my ramblings is if there are kids involved, you can get through a separation such as your considering. It was hard for and on everyone involved, but it was honest and primarily amicable. I wish you well Mimi      

  • mom said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Bot-lol, whistle while you walk.  LOL
  • gina绿日 said on Apr 15, 2007....
    huge.   I can understand you, try to make yourself do something relax, and try to forgot all the unhappy things.  We all support you! ~
  • MissMimi said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Anon, I think marriages can evolve into dear friendships. But is companionship enough to sustain a marriage? I guess that depends on what you're looking for in a spouse. I think it's wonderful that you and your children's mother have been able to maintain a friendship. It helps the children so much to not be in the middle of a war zone. Thanks for stopping by!


    Thank you gina, for your nice comment. I appreciate the support.
  • Zayda said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Mimi--Sometimes even love is not enough to sustain a marriage let alone just companionship.
  • MissMimi said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Unfortunately, that is very true, Zee. Sometimes I wonder why long-term marriages survive. The longer you've been married the more entwined and co-mingled your lives become. What keeps people married for 40 or 50 years? Hmmm that might make a good blog.


    Hi Zee baby! You doing okay today?
  • botoni said on Apr 15, 2007....
    MMs...just letting you know I m following along with you. I have the answer to the 40-50 year marriages..............numbness in many cases....
  • Alyss said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Such wise words from anon, I take hope from them that my own separation and divorce will go as amicably. Intimacy has disappeared, there is love but it is that of enduring friendship, and for me that companionship isn't sufficient to sustain me in my marriage.

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