• doyoulikeme said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Isn't that sad that a 14 is fat. I saw the commercial, she looks great.

• dailyachesandpains said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I saw that too!  I couldn't believe it!  I'm totally anorexic now if that's considered fat!  Not only young girls, Mimi, trust me.  It's so sad and I hate to admit it, but I've finally come to terms with the fact that I have an eating disorder.  I've gained a few pounds and went absolutely mental!!!  I'm still pissed that I can't take it off no matter how much I try.  People told me I looked "healthy" on Saturday.  Translation to my brain:  FAT
   
  Daily

• polarheart said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I dont know the lady in the pic, but she is very attractive in my eyes!

• secretlife said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I think she's gorgeous.

  Still I support her if she chooses to lose 30 lbs. 

  I think it will give her a big self esteem boost

  and she'll look gorgeous.

• MissMimi said on Apr 09, 2007....

  polarcakes, she is an actress. Her biggest claim to fame is her work in an American sitcom from the 70's and 80's called One Day at a Time.  She was also married at one time to Eddie Van Halen of the rock group Van Halen.

  DYLM, I agree because in the real world, not celebrity world, there are an awful lot of women who are size fourteen and up.

  Daily, I've seen a picture of you.  You're thin and gorgeous.  I know you have problems believing that.  My sister struggles with an eating disorder also.  I know how hard it is for her.  {{{{{Daily}}}}}

  SL, I think it's fine that she wants to lose weight.  But I'd also think it was fine if she didn't.  The ad campaign just hits me the wrong way.

   

• anonymous said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I can't believe she is replacing her  Kristin is skinner  

• silverwhisper said on Apr 09, 2007....

  i'm glad they're replacing her b/c kirstie alley always annoyed me. but a size 14 is fat?! what's their basis for comparison, frigging mary kate and ashley?
  
  ed

• gingersoul said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Mimi.....I am a size  4.....what am i compared to her?.....anorexic? Still.... compared to Nicole Richie,  i am a pregnant whale....so i dont compare myself to any of them..

  I compare myself to the myself i am at my best........i have my skinny jeans in the closet and when they fit me i know i am ok......:-).

  I think she is beautiful the way she is but if she drops pounds she will be healtier......and therefore happier....good for her if she want to be skinnier...but i would succeed too if they paid me so much....

  Its easy to go on diet with a check of 6 zero in front of you....give us a break.......

  Daily...you are gorgeous....

• uniquely-ironic said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I didn't know what size she was, and when I found out I cringed.  I'm a size 14 and though I know that I'm not skinny, I do think I'm not fat.  I am curvy with a little padding, but not spokeswoman fat.
   
  Exactly what size does she aim to be?  I'd be curious to see how her health holds up if she were to drop below a size 8 with her height.

• TheNakedProfessor said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Health is only related to fat when there's too much fat. The longest lived people are apparently skinny, eat small amounts of food about 6 times a day and don't consider food as a punishment/reward item. Whether living longer equates to "healthier," I do not know. But being overweight has been acceptable in society for so long, and is "practiced" by so many of us, I don't think it needs to be encouraged. I don't think it can, in the end, be attributed to genes, "big bones" or a skewed idea of what is "normal." It comes down to pigging out on a regular basis and over-indulgence. Valerie is a beauty that would have to be covered by more chins than two to become "unattractively overweight." Love the term "spokesperson fat." LOL

• CreativeWoman said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Marilyn Monroe was in that same size range.  Can you imagine how she would have been treated in this society instead of like the beauty she was?
  
  Makes me sick.
  
  Nutrisystem promotes a size 2 as the optimal size.  Give me a break.
  
  No, I don't think Val is fat. I think they purposely put her in an unattractive outfit to make her look bigger than she is for that photo. 
  
  CW
  

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 09, 2007....

  How many women can get manage these two things at the same time.  BMI=Healthy.  Size>12?  It seems that the only one able to manage that combination are 6 ft plus.
   
  Sorry America open your eyes, what we consider skinny is still overweight and unhealthy.
   
  I can't see the point of dropping Kristie though, she went from average american.  Fat and proud.  To very pretty without being annorexic like Nicole Richie?  Was her marketing value gone or was there some other reason?

• wombat said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I learned two things from this post--Valerie is no longer married to Eddie Van Halen, and Daily is thin and gorgeous like I pictured her to be!

  (No, I don't think a siz 14 is fat)  The message that is sending to young teens is disgraceful.

• MsStar39 said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Size 14 is not fat, Valerie is beautiful  but they need someone else. They are sending
  the wrong message, young girls are already staving themselves to death.
  

• The_Ranting_Logician said on Apr 09, 2007....

  She's definately pretty. Not that big in my opinion although that thought did cross my mind upon seeing her for the first time.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 09, 2007....

  What does pretty have to do with health?  At my current size I am overweight and most people still think I'm skinny cus I only wear a size 34w.
   
  On a side note why would Slim Fast want a fat spokesmodel?  You'd want somebody who was skinny and attractive who said that the system worked for them.  Not somebody who's fat and sponsoring it and showing no progress.  Can't believe that fact took so long to settle, guess I'm a bit slow today.

• minniemouse said on Apr 09, 2007....

  I read the People article, and she is aiming for a size 8.  She says she doesn't want to be rail thin, she wants to be healthy and have more energy.  Kirstie Alley reached her goal weight, so they needed a new celebrity spokesperson.  The article says she does a new ad each month as she looses weight to show her progress.  IMHO, you can't judge a person by size because a size 14 on someone who is 5'-8" is way different than a frame of someone who is 5'-2".  Health and how you feel about yourself should be what matters and if she is doing this to feel better about herself, then more power to her!

• TheNakedProfessor said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Curious: Who is the oldest person you know? Is that person fat? And (2) IS THAT PERSON EASY-GOING AND GOOD NATURED OR GRUMPY AND CRUMUDGEONY (is that a word? I think I just invented it, but you know what I mean). Ask the same question of yourself about the HEALTHIEST person you know (hard to say without checking med records, I know.) Again, just curious. In my own experience, the oldest and healthiest are thin and easy going. That also relates to just about every octogenarian that I've ever seen on the news.

• wombat said on Apr 09, 2007....

  TheNakedProfessor:  LIke that 101 year old lady that hit a hole in one!  Did you see that?  She put me to shame--and I don't mean at golf--I mean at walking around!

• boyzmom said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Size 14 is the thinnest I have ever been since high school, my sister at 6'4" has been size 12-14 most of her adult life (stick thin) and has always considered me "fat" even though I was not. I can wear size 16 now, but prefer the size 18 for comfort. "Fat" is a word that is used much too often these days. If you mean obese- which is a measurable number, then use the word obese. Just about 4 months ago, I was borderline obese, I am flabby and out of shape, but have never considered myself fat, except during my second pregnancy, I got fat, had a double chin and looked much older than I am! I agree that a healthy weight is what is important and not the size of dress you can fit into. 

• blastfromthepast said on Apr 09, 2007....

  Wombat:  Or that 92-year-old woman on Oprah who had been working out in a gym for 70 years!  She definitely didn't look a day over 60.
   
  As for Valerie, who cares?  Maybe she needs the money.  It's been a long time since 'One Day at a Time'.
   
   

• Lucytorial said on Apr 09, 2007....

  DAILY, god I know exactly where your head is..... I started as a bulemic then moved on to annorexic and then back to bulimic and now I am just in control... (makes sense), I've always had a problem with my self image and even now being the size I am I still think FAT but I'm not I'm really a size 4 - 6 in usa sizes so thats still thin but everwhere I see young and old women literally fading to nothing.

  Miss I truly think that the media and fashion industry including hollywood in all its fake shine need to readress this issue.  Walk in to any doctors and you will find a chart on the wall with health zones and under or over weight zones.  Take a look at your height and your weight, see if you're healthy and stay in that zone. (I am 5ft 6.5", I weight 58 kilograms I am on the lower side of healthy from this doctors graph - I use to weight 48 kilograms so at that height definitely annorexic)

   

  I don't look too much at the hollywood scene or fashion mags or even a lot of tele anymore I also don't have a set of scales in my bathroom just to make sure I stay healthy rather than thin...

• sweetsoul said on Apr 09, 2007....

  But Mimi...there are so many more women who 'need' to lose 30 pounds! It's marketing.

• missb said on Apr 10, 2007....

  I am not really familiar with the girl in the picture or how sizes work in america. In Asia we just use S, M, L. Of course some clothes have XL or XXL. I think that kind of SML measurements are better IMO. They are more "generic" so to speak.
  
  In Taiwan, the girls are stick thin. I am not fat but they make me feel like i am at times. I used to be skinny but at one period of living in Taiwan gained me 10 kilograms. Now i am at the "healthy" weight (although the definition of healthy is not really relevant --cause i am not living a healthy life at all)
  
  I'm about 5'2" and my weight ranges between 46 - 48 kilograms now. Dunno whether i'd be considered fat in america or not :/
  
  Cheers!
  
  
  
  
  

• mommyof2 said on Apr 10, 2007....

  I'm 5'10 and before kids I was a size 5, I looked
  sick, my hip bones stuck out so far that my jeans hurt, you could count my ribs, and I would eat only once a day, hunger pains were my friend, now that I've had 2 kids I'm happily stuck at a size 12 and I would not want to lose the D size breasts my kids gave me.
  Just stating the facts.

• dailyachesandpains said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Tobi-Lee:  My exact "diagnosis" is "Eating Disorder NOS"  The NOS means that I'm not anorexic and I'm not bulemic, but that I do have an eating disorder.  When I was 98 pounds (10 years ago) I was really sick, very sick.  I got to 103 pounds and that actually made a world of difference!  107 I felt like a champion, however, I was freaking out.  I'm 5'7" and I know my BMI is fucked now and back then.
   
  I haven't weighed myself in about a month.  Last time I weighed myself I broke out in zits over the stress of how I could pull it off in losing the weight.  I'm still not where the idiot part of my brain wants me to be, but the smart side is telling me that I need to gain more.  I apologize for not revealing where I'm at, as I feel like a whale right now.  I've posted it before though, lol.  I just can't type it right now.  Thinking about it, makes me want to chew more ice.  Chewing ice is how I "satisfy" myself. 
   
  It's horrible buying clothes.  If I buy clothes from "Hollywood" lines, I feel better to pay the extra buck for something that says a size 2 on the tag.  If I could get the same thing at Gap, it'd be a size 4 or 6 and that sends me into a tailspin!
   
  I'm managing right now too. I hold your hand through this Tobi-Lee.  One that has been through this, or has seen a loved one through this knows how hard of a battle it is, for both the high side and the low side of the scale. 
   
  {{{hugs}}}
  Daily
   
   

• wombat said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Daily:  It is hard for me to understand, really, even though I understand from knowing about the condition from reading about it.  I wish for you to find that "place" where you are happy with this conditon. And I hope I never say anything insensitive by accident.
   

• TheNakedProfessor said on Apr 10, 2007....

  If you want to know what Valerie B will look like when she's anorexic, check out SMALLVILLE. The girl that plays Lana Lang.

• Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Daily, its permenant and it doesn't go away believe me.  I fight my urges not to eat all the time by making myself eat. I have though developed a very good relationship with food because its so fresh up here where I live.  When I first met my husband he was kind of shocked at what i would and wouldn't eat.

  I still think a part of me actually thinks I should look like I'm still 19 years old... stupid part you know, the smart part of me tells me I'm probably at my best when I have tits, hips and a little wobble in my body - however my husbands always there to say "So when are you gonna get some celulite on that ass?" Its funny, he always says he likes me better when I've got my figure.

• hollywoodJess said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Marilyn Monroe was a size 14 in her day!....All it is doing is ruining the generations yet to come who will become even more consumed with their physical appearance like society hasnt already ruined this geneneration, I even catch myself from time to time looking through magazines wishing I looked like Jennifer Aniston, All in all, its all made up to be something normal average people cannot be.
   
  America is consumed with appearance, In africa, women are beautiful if they are heavy. There is a tribe there that forces women to gain weight to get married. Women are looked at as a possesion of wealth and stature in other countries, but in America, we are just trophies to men.
   
  Many women here would have horrible culture shock if they knew that being thin in some places was looked down upon. The discrimination we go through is enough to drive anyone to eating disorders.

• doyoulikeme said on Apr 10, 2007....

  I think fat is quickly becoming the new thin

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 10, 2007....

  That's just pure misinformation Holly and you should be smart enough to know it.  First he idea that Marilyn was a 16 is a myth, nobody is really sure what size she wore and most of her clothing was custom made for her.  Still her weight did fluctuate, as human beings tend to.  Thing is that the sizes that we had back then were smaller, the 14 of her day is roughly the equivalent of the "normal" modern 8.  I say normal because it is a rather well documented fact that the same woman wears a different size from store to store and brand to brand but there is a normal.  All you have to do though is look at Marilyn and know that she was no where near the amount of chubby that is a modern size 14 (also since  there is a 6'4" woman here obviously this doen't applie to you, just like if you are 4'9 you probably shouldn't even be in an 10.
   
  As for Africa, what tribe and what do they consider fat?  We are talking about a continent where starvation is so prevalent that millions die of it everyday.  Remember the kids so skinny they get bloated?  Heavy is realitve,they have no idea what fat is.
   
  Most women here would be driven into eating disorders (that are largely exagerated anyway, though horrendous when they do occur and I send my condolences to anybody who is/has or knows someone suffering from these disorders) if they ever ventured outside of the states and saw how slender the rest of the world is.  Go to Japan, Singapore, Germany, the Middle East.  You won't see a single overweight person.  They don't exist.  Now go outside your office or your house or wherever you are when you read this and look left, then look right.

• MissMimi said on Apr 10, 2007....

  I've been following this discussion with great interest.  I enjoy hearing other people's opinions on this subject.  I doubt that I would be classified as having an eating disorder, but I do know that food is my drug of choice.  So many different factors go into the ability to lose weight and keep it off.  And I have to disagree in part with you, Naked Professor, I do think it is in part governed by genetics.

  Yes, lifestyle and eating habits play a huge part in weight loss success.  This is the problem I have with diet plans like Jenny Craig and Nutri-System.  After you lose all the pounds eating the pre-packaged portion controlled food, wouldn't it be hard to keep the weight off eating regular old grocery store food? 

  It seems to me that the best way to lose pounds and keep it off is to develop new attitudes about food and look at it as a lifestyle rather than a diet.  Easier said than done, at least with me.

• Lucytorial said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Sean I understand what you are saying and living in this constantly immediate society is what drives a lot of people to obesity by the way, it also does the opposite.

   

  When I stopped yoyoing from annorexia to bulemia I started looking normal and that is anything from a size 8 from Jag to a size 11 in skinny jeans stores.  Some american clothes make it here and I'm a 2 and sometimes if its asian then I'm a wopping 14????  We are however very visually oriented beasts so no matter how relative you see this topic any kind of eating disorder (mental illness) is horrific and only exagerated to try and stop the cycle in other people.

   

  And you will see overweight people everywhere in the world sean because its human nature for certain people in society to not know when to stop.  Japan has overweight people darling and singapore and germany... middle east?? are you kidding.... everywhere has obese people.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 10, 2007....

  Not to the extent that the US does.  I couldn't even find them during 6 months in Japan.  Less than a week in Singapore.  In America fat is such an epidimic that we have combined average, underweight and bone thin into one group.  In order to be too skinny you really do have a problem. 
   
  Like I said I'm not trying to make light of women who have honest eating disorders.  I'm saying that we have 10% of America with various eating disorders and 66% overweight.  One problem at a time and I would think logically we should focus on the bigger one.
   
  The truth of the matter is that they are opposite ends of the same problem.  People need to live healthier life styles.  We need to work out more than we do, we need to eat fruits and veggies (somebody shoot me for saying that outloud)Maybe high school physical education shouldn't stop at 10th grade and maybe children who cannot run a mile in say 12 minutes (which is barely above a walk) should fail.
   
  When a society has a majority, 50% or more it stops being certain people and starts being that somewhere we are sending the wrong signal.  As I said early, maybe the problem is that we set the bar so high that people aren't trying.  I don't believe that but it is a possibility.
   

• Lucytorial said on Apr 11, 2007....

  No it isn't when you take a look at american culture I'm sure that you will find the balance of healthy foods is outweighed by the unhealthy choices.  There is also a large population in america that are not educated to a levelw here you could say one is literate so it figures that obesity is a huge problem. It is here in australia too, we have whats called a fat plague going on and I'm not talking about someone like me putting on a stone I'm talking about a large population of people that are sedintary, eat unhealthy and are double their healthy weight BMI etc muscle mass, ability to jog for 10 minutes (try 3). 

  Its all a moot point really anyway because I agree with where you are coming from.

• dailyachesandpains said on Apr 11, 2007....

  I'm just reading along here.  I read Sean, and I want to put my head in the toilet (no offense Sean).  Tobi-Lee you keep my head out of it!   I'm going to chew some ice until my teeth start falling out!
   
  As you were...
  Daily

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 11, 2007....

  Its not like its that hard to be educated and people should be able to look in a mirror and say something is wrong.  I know I come accross as harsh on this issue but its because  I constantly hear people saying its ok and I believe that it starts with acceptance.
   
  @daily:  Please don't put your head in the toilet, I don't mean or want to encourage any eating disorder.  Instead walk around the block and take and apple to work as a mid-day snack.  Also don't chew ice, just reading it makes my teeth ache.

• TheNakedProfessor said on Apr 11, 2007....

  Food = energy. Fat = stored energy. Pay for your liposuction by selling your fat under contract. Human fat must have some commercial uses. Anybody? I don't know, maybe cooking oil - now that would be ironic. Or we could make nice little "fat candles" and sell them at AAAHHHS. ("Making light" of a "heavy" topic)

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 11, 2007....

  LoL.  Candles?  Soap maybe?

• mommy02 said on Apr 14, 2007....

  I so agree.  I don't think a size 14 is fat, that is just about avargae in the real world.  Sadly though, it is never going to get better, just wost!

• boyzmom said on Apr 14, 2007....

  I don't think it will get worse mommy02, we teach kids in first grade that junk food is a bad choice of snack and healthy snacks can be just as tasty. They become health conscious teens and the problem all but disappears. The kids that make themselves sick by eating candy and drinking soda are going to learn the hard way, but most of them do learn. It took my brother 35 years but he learned by getting ulcers.
   
  On the other hand, there are kids that overeat because their parents neglect them and that won't change because nobody wants to stick their noses in other people's business. It really depends on society whether the weight issue in America is addressed or not.

• one_wired_kitty said on Dec 14, 2007....

  Last time I was in Cali - I hit one of the plus-size stores and saw a size 10 .... OMG.

• cutebig said on Dec 27, 2007....

  It's pity that I can't see the picture. What does the lady look like? Is she as big as the woman at largeplace.com?

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