• SeanRenaud said on Apr 04, 2007....

  You've got balls.  I'm just getting good seats.

• jasonrest said on Apr 04, 2007....

  LOL! oh you don't want to pick sides, you just want to sit back and watch the feminists eat me alive right? LOL---well enjoy the show!
  My argument needs no supporting details, witnesses or cross-examinations; it stands alone and rightfully so.

• MsBradford07 said on Apr 04, 2007....

  I feel bad for jason, 'cause these women in soulcast are going to get in your ass. Men and women are made equal, it is in the Bible.

• jasonrest said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Can you offer a verse for verification?
  Even if the verse supports your statement, it's irrelevant. I said scientifically, not religously. Furthermore, for every verse you submit, I can submit 10 that will counter and demolish it. In fact, the bible is the last place you would want to take this argument. Trust me!

• momsrock said on Apr 04, 2007....

  That's like saying a circle and a square are equal...obviously they aren't. They are completely different and can never be equal...but it doesn't mean that one is better than the other either.

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Shot across the bow:  

  Equal in what manner.  Specify.

  How did you arrive at this supposition?

  Social observations, personal experience, academic study or cultural influences.?  Is this a belief, theory or opinion?

  Thanks, Mica,

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Point taken Mom, but I have always wondered why they think this way. 

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 04, 2007....

  He did specify. from the physical standpoint, the argument is obvious.
   
  He said the average man can outrun, out fight, out lift your average woman.  Sure there are female athletes who are superior to average men but that's hardly a fair comparison.  Almost without fail male and female sports are segregate because peak males outperform peak female just like average males out perform average females.
   
  I'd really like to see anything in the Bible so much as hint that women are equals not property.

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 04, 2007....

  His quote was, "Without a doubt from the physical standpoint, the argument is obvious."  He also mentions,
  "however, from a scientific standpoint who could argue that a woman is equal to a man?"
  This is what I am referring to and requested specification.  And if I recall, the question was posed to the author of the post.  Perhaps we can debate more after he has presented his response.
  
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• jasonrest said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Inequality automatically means one is greater than the other and one is less than the other.
  So if a woman is clearly not my equal in such a significant aspect as the physical one, can she in fact be called my equal at all?
  My answer...........No........ and I apologize "momsrock" but it definitely means that one is better than the other especially in such a field as the physical one.
  
  If this world was brought to scraps by a nuclear war or another ice age or whatever and our minds(momsrock and jasonrest's) were stripped of every civilized thought we had ever known and we by chance ran into each other. I would take what I wanted when I wanted it without the consequences or stigma of domestic violence and the favor women are shown in such cases.
  I am not at all a misogynist. I love the female form and all it's treasures. Please look at this objectively and scientifically.

• momsrock said on Apr 04, 2007....

  I disagree because the best of the boys could not beat the girls in some physical circumstances. That is why they are given different tests throughout school... it really depends on physical challenge at hand. So I can't agree that one is better...not when women excel at physical challenges that men struggle with. Yes, those that require strength and endurance...they will obviously be better. I wasn't disputing that. I'm just saying that you can't compare two things that are completely different and ask if they are equal. I'm not being nasty, you just haven't convinced me.

• jasonrest said on Apr 04, 2007....

  What physical tests would consistently portray a woman besting a man?

• Swizzle said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Childbirth, you do that and I'll be impressed. 

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 04, 2007....

  Scientific research supporting our differences related to our brains function and structure.    We can debate that oranges are better than apples or apples are better oranges.  It is not an issue of equality but complimentary.  But if you notice, science is arguing against you, women and men are comparatively DIFFERENT.  Not one better than the other.  Men and women do think differently, at least where the anatomy of the brain is concerned, according to a new study.

  The brain is made primarily of two different types of tissue, called gray matter and white matter. This new research reveals that men think more with their gray matter, and women think more with white. Researchers stressed that just because the two sexes think differently, this does not affect intellectual performance.

  Psychology professor Richard Haier of the University of California, Irvine led the research along with colleagues from the University of New Mexico. Their findings show that in general, men have nearly 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence compared with women, whereas women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence compared to men.

  "These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior," said Haier, adding that, "by pinpointing these gender-based intelligence areas, the study has the potential to aid research on dementia and other cognitive-impairment diseases in the brain."

  The results are detailed in the online version of the journal NeuroImage.

  In human brains, gray matter represents information processing centers, whereas white matter works to network these processing centers.

  The results from this study may help explain why men and women excel at different types of tasks, said co-author and neuropsychologist Rex Jung of the University of New Mexico. For example, men tend to do better with tasks requiring more localized processing, such as mathematics, Jung said, while women are better at integrating and assimilating information from distributed gray-matter regions of the brain, which aids language skills.

  Scientists find it very interesting that while men and women use two very different activity centers and neurological pathways, men and women perform equally well on broad measures of cognitive ability, such as intelligence tests.
  

  Men and women do think differently, at least where the anatomy of the brain is concerned, according to a new study.

   

  Thanks for opportunity to understand.

• anonymous said on Apr 04, 2007....

  And since when is "equal" the same thing as "alike?" This is a sad, sad world where "different" (not alike, whether in mind, body, or spirit) automatically means "inferior (not equal)."
  
  If everyone was exactly like a "man", it doesn't mean we would have a stronger, more fit world. It means there would be nobody at all, ever. So I fail to see how a woman's physiological ability to create new life and repopulate the earth is either less important, or even inferior, to a man's physiological ability to be a tough guy and smash things up.
  
  For the record, I'm a female, but I'm not a feminist at all. I just find this sad "Survival of the Fittest: Sex Edition" scenario amusing.
  

• LadyGamer said on Apr 04, 2007....

  If this attention monger wishes to say that in a fist fight an average man could drop an average woman, then he is correct.
  However.
  If we want to get into it, there is a reason so many women dominate the workplace these days. We can do more in less time. I, as a woman, am MADE to do more than a man at one time. It is scientifically PROVEN that where a MAN can do ONE thing well, a woman can do up to four times more. Same amount of time, same level of difficulty. We are Built for muiltitasking.
   Oh and after eons of dealing with men who like to throw their weight and thus their fists around, we also know how to make you PAY for that little flex of muscles.
  No. Women and men are not built the same and thus cannot be compared. But we are most certainly equal.

• kelly said on Apr 05, 2007....

  jasonrest: "Inequality automatically means one is greater than the other and one is less than the other."
  
  
  OK, I'm going to give you two colors.  Green.  Burgundy.  Which one is greater?
  
  
  anonymous: "If everyone was exactly like a 'man', it doesn't mean we would have a stronger, more fit world."
  
  
  No kidding.  Especially after looking around at the average man.  And I mean AROUND.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  *shakes head*  Everytime I have seen this topic come up, it is usually a man posing the question.  For Women it is never a question or concern but men need to have this theory validated by other men.  Women are confident that they are the superior sex. There is no debate.  This was decided a long time ago.  Look at every kingdom, the kings and queens were not physically strong.  The servants were  but did that make them superior, I think not.   So it is with females.  Behind every successful man is a woman rolling her eyes. Men think with their dicks and  women reason with their brains.

• anonymous said on Apr 05, 2007....

  JASONREST,  What kind of responses were you expecting? ' OOH JASON, I AM NOT WORTHY  
   
  one is one is equal to one and two is equal to two. so in that sense, men are not equal to women and women are not equal to men. we arent higher or lower than eachother we are just DIFFERENT - now please, i would love to hear what phsyco-babal you would have for me.

• rightwingwizard said on Apr 05, 2007....

  You are not talking about equality at all.
  Let's take two individuals of equal weight and height, equal training and experience.  One male, one female, put them both through the same series of physical challanges and see how they compare at the end of the day.  I submit that their results would be close enough to be considered by most reasoned individuals to be equal.  If you choose to compare a finely tuned athletic machine like say Eli Manning to the average woman, you begin with a false premice and perpetrate a lie.  The same would be true if you reversed the perameters.
  It may well be true that the 'average' male is taller and physically stronger than the 'average' female but even if you were to choose the 'average' from each gender and completed the above exercise you would be starting from  a false premice as the two individuals would no doubt not be equal in terms if physical stature.  Your argument makes no sence and is a reflection of your own insecurities.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Remember the match between Billy Jean King and Bobbi Riggs

• LMari said on Apr 05, 2007....

  TO ALL OPPOSING JASONREST you are right on the money. now lets leave jason alone. i bet he is so happy with all the attention he is getting. fool. i bet you he has a female boss who works him to the bone. he probably has 6 over opinionated sisters and a huge wife that screams in he's ears. let him have his fun. shampies

• rightwingwizard said on Apr 05, 2007....

  mom:  Jason was no doubt still a twinkle in his daddy's eye when that match took place.

• MsBradford07 said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Jason, you are full of it. 'Cause if you read the Bible, they talk about women having that ability to be physically, mentally, spritually strong as men, but weren't treated as equal. We are in a day where a woman can do what she feel and you and every man that feel like need to come off this bs about men/women and who is or is not inferior.

• brokenandused said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Have you ever heard the saying all brawn (sp?) no brains?..... that is why men are stronger than women

• genalonewolf said on Apr 05, 2007....

  I have a question! Who cares? Without women we would be doomed to fade into the distance and the same is true without men. We need each other. I hold neither to a higher standard. To ask a question like this is not to sort it out cause it never will be. All it does is open a door for angry words and heated debates that will never be satisfied. So what good does it do us as humans? The sooner we realize that we are here in a harmonious bond the better we will be as humans.

• Holly-Go-Lightly said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Physically inferior??

  Dude- the day you squeeze something the size of a watermelon through a hole the size of a lemon--then we'll talk.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Does that mean that humans can't call themselves physically superior to roaches until our biggest problem with decapitation is starvation or snakes until we can swallow something larger than our heads?

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  First. Anyone who posts as anonymous does not deserve a response from myself.
  Second. The arguments that some have posed about mental prowess are countered by your immature postings.
  Third. Every one is getting way off topic, which I figured would be the case once the passionate, childbearing, castrating feminists showed up.
  No one ever said anything about child birth. I wouldnt dare take any credit from a woman on such a matter........OH but wait we weren't talking about that were we.hmmmm.
  Obviously a man was not built to have a child. so enough of that.
  It seems that I will have to reiterate my point and perhaps clarify the message.
  Aside from any reproductive considerations, mental abilities and any other aspect that I purposely excluded to avoid the madness that has evolved; From a physical standpoint, there are women in the military that constantly claim "I can do what you can do" when the truth of the matter is NO U CANT.
  Now for the hundreth time, from the physical standpoint why do women think they are a man's equal when in fact they are not? They want to be physically treated the same when they cannot uphold the standard. They want to join the same elite forces as a man only to slow him down. They want to be masters of survival but they need those few days off every month.
  Let's stay focused people.

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Some of you post thinking you are clever when you only hurt your position with unecessary and not so clever remarks.
  However I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE.........
  MOMSROCK
  GENALONEWOLF
  SEANRENAUD and THE THREE F WORDS for showing a little class.

• Dunedin said on Apr 05, 2007....

  @mom:

  Jason opens a rift between the sexes and you respond by digging a canyon?

  Men usually ask these kinds of questions because that's what men do. We make skyscrapers and drop atom bombs and ask and ask questions and not all of the questions are good. It's how we're built. Maybe Jason is insecure, maybe I am, maybe you are. It's immaterial here. The question Jason asked has nothing to do with insecurity.

  Your assessment of men and women misses the mark. Men think with their dicks first and their brains second. And women think with their hearts first and their brains second. We are both ridiculous in our own ways.

  "Behind every successful man is a woman rolling her eyes." I think you must know that's false. I think you've responded overemotionally to Jason's post. Maybe trying to get a rise out of someone. I think you must know, if you are as reasonable as I think you may be, that successful relationships are about complementarity, as F_Words has said. It's not a queen bee with her bumbling drone.

   

  And to those posters who brought up childbirth: that's a glib, poorly-considered response. You can't use a phenomenon exclusive to women to test whether men are stronger than women. That wouldn't be about strength anyway. It would be about pain tolerance. And research indicates that women feel physical pain more intensely than men.

  Men are physically stronger than women, women are probably emotionally stronger than men (and better fighter pilots), blacks are better athletes, Asians are better at math. So what?

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Mohammed- that is my point exactly, while men are arguing this, I am digging, yep sounds just like the way it really is.  Women never have to ask this question, cause they know the answer.  Men are so caught up in proving their strength that they fail to excel in any other way.  The Amazon women had a great idea.  Keep me as slaves, working and use them to breed with.  Women feel more intensely about pain cause we have to put up with whiny men. A man lifts 25 pounds and will piss and moan all day.  A woman will carry a 40 pound child all day, clean the house, make dinner, and listen to you complain. Men work an 8 hour job, come home and think their day is over. A woman's day runs 24/7, 365 days a year.  Yeah men make atom bombs, see that is what I said, they are so busy trying to prove they are strong.  It is why we have wars, my soldiers can beat up your soldiers. If men were more in touch with their feminine side then we could have world wide tupperware parties
  PEACE THROUGH TUPPERWARE

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Amazons lasted an awful long time after coming (in theory since there is terribly little evidence they actually existed) in to contact with Greece and Rome.  Must have been that superior male technology at work.
   
  Women don't ask this question cus they know the answer?  Pssh.  The superior sex would have taken control milenia ago via physical, economic or mental strength.  Instead the "superior" race is strugling to acheieve equality in a place where the first thing no longer matters and the second two are so closely interwoven as to nearly be identical.
   
  And no, wars are about wanting what somebody else has.  War is the ultimate outcome of ANYBODY who doesn't believe that money is the root of all good.  You reject money you embrace violence, this is an inescapable truth.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Sean, Sean, Sean so oung, so naive.  Women are so superior to men, we bide our time and watch as you men macho your brains out and then we will move in and take what was always ours. Our trying to achieve equality is part of our plan, you men work that much harder trying to prove that we aren't the superior sex.
  Regardless of what you claim war is about, the fact is it is always started by men to control something.  Men have to control things because their intelligence is so limited that they have no common sense as in sharing.
   
  Now get down and lick  and kiss my feet!

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  well since we are completely off topic I will bite.....
  mom said......
  "Women are so superior to men, we bide our time and watch as you men macho your brains out and then we will move in and take what was always ours."
  "In one of those "Poor Us" studies for which the Emotional Female Void is notorious, it was pointed out that after a divorce, the average male standard of living rises... the average female standard of living drops... I think the...explanation is that the excision of a five-to-six- foot leech from the surface of a human body is going to have more of its own blood in its own veins. Unless the leech finds another body, it is going to go hungry.".................-DAVE SIM
  Are you proud of such a clever and strategic maneuver? you know, where you lay lazily upon another and suck for dear life?

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Amazons and Argonauts.......must be nice to live in a dream world....I envy "mom".

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Sean thought he was gonna sit back and watch the fireworks and now he is my accomplice in the quest for all knowledge.
  You have not chosen me for I have chosen you......(evil monstrous laugh!!!)

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  So its like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  I swear I think I'm going to become a Jewish woman just so I can be part the in crowd on these milenia old world conquest plans.  I feel left out.
   
  Yeah it is always started by men who control something.  Funny how the women who controlled something were wiped out.  Or hell http://www.suzeorman.com/ will explain how nurture vs conquest  isn't sound financially.  Sharing doesn't work, hense the Soviet Union falling.
   
  Still any woman who knows what I'm capable of and still likes me. ::Kneels and kisses her feet.:: Is worthy of worship.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Jason- bless your little inferior heart.  You think that women cry "Poor Us", who was the one that started this topic just to whine?  It wasn't started by a woman.  Where did you get your statistics about mens income going up?  Out of a cracker Jack box.  You are quite the mental moron aren't you?  Most of the time when a mans' income goes up  it is 'cause he no longer supports the children he helped bring into this world.  A womans' income goes down cause she has to pick up the slack for raising the children.  Look up the statistics for dead beat fathers.
   
  Sean- You may not think that women control anything due ot being wiped out.  That is where you are wrong. Women can nurture and conquer.  The reason why sharing doesn't work is because they were all run by men.  If women were in charge, then we would all be sharing recipes so that the men could cook that evening.  I emailed you, did you get it?

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Yeah I was abou mention what mom did about standards of living and why it works that way.  Though the stats would be nice to look at.
   
  Trust me the reason you are sharing recipes for the men to cook is because that is our back up plan shoudl we ever end up submissive.  I can cook a cake so that its golden brown on the outside and batter on the inside and once managedto make Kraft Mac and Cheese taste like cigarettes. (I had the blues, not the Kraft Macaroni blues either that day) with in a week of eating my cooking you'll either die of food poisoning, starve to death or take your rightful place in the kitchen!  I however will subsist on beer like any male.!

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 05, 2007....

  The battle of the sexes continues.............Initially, the question was posed by a man, "from a scientific standpoint who could argue....

  But little scientific based points have been presented. AND, the ones that have, have not been responded to.  In the interests of debate, point and counterpoint,  "WHAS UP WIT DAT?" 

  If possible, query?  Why does a man state "Why do women think they are equal to men? If you were truly interested in why women and men have differing views on this topic, why not just ask without throwing the gauntlet.  "Men and Women:  The issue of Equality. Open discussion.  Bummer, I was hoping for stimulating, mind provoking discussions. 

  I am not the most secure women in the world, and I have some issues with the gender, specifically my husband.  But essentially, I relish the differences and I am not, to the best of my knowledge, intimidated by them.  For me, it is the contrasts that make me glad I am a woman. 

  And if any gentleman, ( and I say gentleman because it was one that presented the question) informed on the topic of equality, the sufragettes who initiated this campaign, were fighting for a better quality of life for women, they wanted opportunity and not be compared to men.  They wanted personal freedom, to be individuals, not property. 

  JUST basic human rights. If you read the constitution, you might find some evidence to support these statements.  The constitution was written by men, and very well written.  They are words and beliefs an entire nation was built upon.   And when it says, all men are created equal, does it specify physical, mental, etc.  No, it talks of rights and pursuits.  I think  these are the points that are  being missed and misrepresented. The battle lines always get drawn in the same place, mudslinging. 

  So, do you all want to rearm and reup, battle lines are drawn, or agree to disagree? 

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 05, 2007....

  It is not our purpose to become each other; it is to recognize each other, to learn
  to see the other and honor him for what he is.  

  Hermann Hesse

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  I can agree to disagree since I am a woman and superior to men.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Agreeing to disagee is for. . .fags, is it ok to be anti-gay for the moment since the rest of my negative nouns are female deragotory?
   
  Uh when we stopped treating women as property the very first thing they did was ban alcohol and we all know how well that turned out.  :-)

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Sean-you can use whatever words you choose, I will allow you that.
  You know what is funny is that men had to have alcohol in order to live, women don't need anything as we are just that much more perfect.
   
  My husband is a man because I say he can be.

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Yes and all marriages automatically produce children because the moment the ring is placed on the bride's finger, the stork is dispatched. Is that right oh wise one!
  Not all marriages produce children maam. If you resort to name calling and immature rantings to get a rise out of me then I apologize for disappointing you.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  If I had boobs I wouldn't need to get people drunk to sleep with me either. 

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Jason, Jason, Jason, I am sure that a woman was taking care of herself just fine before a man came along.  I am glad that you finally realized just how wise I am.  You may take your seat now.

   

• jasonrest said on Apr 05, 2007....

  
  THREE F WORDS.......
  After posting the question and looking it over, I did regret it's implications. Also, I have tried to maintain the integrity of the original quesiton. but attempts were thwarted by not so clever people who constantly portray a sense of cleverness.
  I don't think the constitution is a good place to turn. Also the right to vote is neither here nor there. While I am a traditionalist when it comes to family structure, I still believe that a woman is entitled to her own opinions etc.I would never question a woman's mental capacity unless it was mom, then I would have to inquire, for obvious reasons.
  I forget exactly who, but someone brought up the point that while men do have the upper hand in the brute force category there are other areas in the physical aspect that a woman can lay claim to, such as a greater threshold for pain.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Oh so you want to question my mental capacity?  Is that because I am right and you are wrong, so now you have to find a reason to make me inferior?  LOL well knock yourself out sweetheart.  See now I don't feel the need to prove my point, where as you do ergo this post. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that women are superior.

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 05, 2007....

  JD:  Is heightened emotional rhetoric the only tool you use? And if you consider stalemate a solution only a gay person would consider, what does that say about all the MEN who have brought warring factions and nations to peace by way of compromise and treaties? 

  What happened with Prohibition?  Very bad things, by men, it was repealed, and the beat went on....alcoholism is rampant as well as other addictions.  Why is the problem always the focus and not the solutions?

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  The three- Are you talking to me?  Are you talking to me?  You need to put the id of the person you are referring to before you comment :)  Carry on.  I am allowed my emotional rhetoric, as I am woman hear me roar.

   

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Are you serious?  I'll treat as it you were.
   
  1. I was going to say pussies, or bitches but given the nature of the debate it seemed slightly in appropriate to use a derogatory term usually leveled at females.
   
  2.  The Greek and Roman armies were predominiately gay for what its worth.  And just how many wars have been be brought to peace by compromise in the real world?  I know it happens, sometimes cus one side quits.  (Nam).  Unconditional Surrender (see WWI, WW2, Civil War, Mexican American War) is what men strive for in war.  Once its gotten to that point talking is over.
   
  Yeah alcoholism is still around, but uh prohibition gave rise to modern American gangs and let the Mafia get a foot hold we still haven't erased.  Wors we didn't learn from our mistakes and now the Columbians, Cubans and Afghans are getting said foot hold with the war on drugs.  And oh teh noes if California liberals get their way we'll be starting up the next group of gangs with tobbaco bans.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Also if you don't know that :-P or :-) means just kidding you can fuck right off.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Sean- so far I think you are the only man I consider my equal, and I do that because you know where us women stand, don't you? LOL

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 05, 2007....

  I'm telling your hubby and your daddy!

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  LOL, please don't, come on I'll be your best friend. Please, please, please

• kelly said on Apr 05, 2007....

  I'm kind of surprised at mom's responses.  I had her pegged as an anti-feminist.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  aww well pegs can be wrong.  Maybe my villainess side is coming out!

  Kelly- I had you pegged for a very strong woman ;)

• kelly said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Yes, that's why I think I'm a better feminist than you are.  You derided me for being "strong" when you thought I was female.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Kelly-  now see isn't that the problem we are all facing here. Strong and woman goes together.  Now that I know you are JUST a man, well I took the word strong off.  I think that all men should be feminists, that way we don't have to have these conversations about who is superior.  You would know it was us.

• rightwingwizard said on Apr 05, 2007....

  When I entered this discussion it was not to defend woman but rather to point out the falacy of the origional premice.  When I noticed that the feminine response to the false premice is to loudly proclaim not equality but superiority it is confirmed in my mind that you seek vitriolic and irrational confrontation rather than participate in a logical and choherant discussion of the differences between the male and female of the species. Your comments only serve to illustrate the error in your arguments.  The hatred demonstrated in your comments proves without doubt that given the opportunity to rule women would be equally reprehensible and irresponsible as men have proven themselves to be.  War and confrontation would be as much of a problem as it is now, perhaps worse.  In one area of human interaction, women have certainly proven themselves man's superior.   That is the pure, unadluterated ability to hold a grudge.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Rightwing- Let me first say that you were fine until you saw a woman take charge.  Now you think I am confrontational and irrational.  That is so malelike.  I don't hate men I think all women should own one.

  The question in the blog was "Why do women think they are equal to men?"  I was simply saying we are not equal, we are superior. You speak of holding a grudge, men are notorious for that, how many female serial killers are there out there?

• rightwingwizard said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Thank you mom, you said it all!  You have made my point.

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  anytime I can help you, I would be happy to. :)

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 05, 2007....

  To Moms, no not directed at you, keyboard fritzed out on me....................

  Humorous dots and lines, sorry, missed that one.  Regrets for misfire.

  I am a woman. Thank God.  I have my views and I think I understand yours.  You, however, seem to have trouble standing in my shoes, and no you don't have to wear heels. :-)

   Perhaps because for so long the  general perspective on the world was male, who ran it was male, and on and on.....was male. 

  Maybe men, in general, so accustomed to being "in charge" have come to their ultimate evolutionary shift.  Isn't adapation the key to survival or is it strength?  When the environment changes, it is those in it that must adapt,  or get shifted down in the food chain. 

  For me, I'd rather have an opinionated, stubborn-assed man to bite and chew on, so to speak.  I prefer more "spit than polish".

  You all have a good time wrestlin'.......................Mica 

• mom said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Three F's- thanks for your input :)

  I would just like to say now, that this has been fun!  So many people to spar with. I am NOT a feminist.  I am a conservative woman.  I don't play the devil's advocate too often but this was just too much fun to pass up. I am sorry for those that I insulted.  I thought someone would catch on to my joking around when I brought up recipes and tupperware parties. LOL, you guys were great.

  Jason I apologize for riling you up.

  Rightwing- I am rightwing to.

  Kelly- you were right  I am anti-feminist

  *hugs* you guys. :)

   

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 05, 2007....

  Moms, I'm learn' thas why i'm here.  thanks.........

• jasonrest said on Apr 06, 2007....

  On the contrary, you neither altered my composure nor did you have the bandwagon of ignorance following that you thought would.
  The females (those with class) actually support my position, in not so many words, that you are a waste of skin and you actually hurt your position more than you strengthen it with your fatuitous banter.

• mom said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Don't make me make you a pie dear.

• rightwingwizard said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Would that be a bad thing, mom? 

• The_three_F_words said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Still? 

  Jasonrest, God love ya.

  Mom, you are priceless.

• mom said on Apr 06, 2007....

  do you think it would be bad, Jason?  Come to some of my posts and you will see the real MOM!!!!!!!

   

  night sugar*

• LadyGamer said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Maybe women are trying to be seen as equal physically so men stop beating the shit out of them just to prove what men they are.

  I mean, men are a LOT more hesitant to swing at another man who might be able to hold his own.

   

  Makes sense to me.

• jasonrest said on Apr 06, 2007....

  I apologize if Oswald was a little rough on you the other night LadyGamer, but again that is neither here nor there.
  You two are the type that need to be restrained, legs pinned spread eagle and mouth sewn shut, revealing your sole and most useful purpose. God forbid I should speak too soon. acoustics are a bitch. no?

• jasonrest said on Apr 06, 2007....

  I don't quite understand the joke, not that anything else you have said made much sense.
  I will have some pie. I guess. and for future reference there are more intelligent ways to express yourself besides.... "Don't make me make you a pie dear."
  My 11 year old brother expresses himself more intelligently. I bet you are hard to look at!?

• LadyGamer said on Apr 06, 2007....

  How is it irrelevant to hypothesize on the reason women think they are equal to men? Is that not the question you specifically asked? I answered.
  You don't think women try to be seen a physical equals due to abuse, then you argue against it. Telling me I'm just the wasted flesh around a pussy doesn't make YOUR point in the least.
   
  The fact is.... abused women go two directions, either hyper independent (This is where they think they are your equal .....since you cannot fathom the idea) or psychological victim.
  Are there other reasons women think this way? Sure. I'm just pointing out ONE. In DIRECT answer to your DIRECT question.

• mom said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Jason- I have apologized already.  I was trying to mix things up. I wasn't trying to express myself.  If I had known that you didn't have a sense of humor I would have steered clear.  Obviously, when you put this topic up and said to Sean  "LOL! oh you don't want to pick sides, you just want to sit back and watch the feminists eat me alive right? LOL---well enjoy the show!"
   I took it a bit further and helped give a show.  You know you wanted a rise out of us women and I gave you one.

• jasonrest said on Apr 06, 2007....

  so are you really that dumb or was that just an act?

• mom said on Apr 06, 2007....

  I am sure you have already made up your mind regarding this issue. 

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 06, 2007....

  Women think?

• mom said on Apr 07, 2007....

  Well I think you are pretty great Sean :)

• jasonrest said on Apr 07, 2007....

  Yes they do sean, but only with their hearts and all the trappings of emotion.
  You know like......."I like this dress"......."Ohhhhh Puppies"........and "Instead of war and people, like dying, lets figure out a way to live in harmony" which of course were their last words.
  Thank you for your time mom.

• LadyGamer said on Apr 07, 2007....

  War is a necessary function of global society. Population control and all that.
  Just like Famine, Pestilence and Disease. These will never be eradicated because we as a species need them. Being at the top of the food chain will do that.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 07, 2007....

  Ok, what nonsese are you talking LG? 

• mom said on Apr 07, 2007....

  Hey Jason, anytime. 

• jasonrest said on Apr 07, 2007....

  War is not a necessary function, shit for brains, it is a convenient one. Country A has something that country B wants, country A commences kicking their ass. Does that sound like nature or greed. When a lion is full you won't catch him chasing anything, he'll only lay in the shade until he hungers again, that's nature that is a necessary function. And God help the poor beast that he devours. Disease definitely. Pestilence yes. famine somewhat.

• LadyGamer said on Apr 08, 2007....

  Not Nonsense, Sean. Jason said women were all sweetness and light and had ridiculous notions of nonwar bull. I do not think that is true. Here are some quotes from some very smart people who agree with my above statement.
   
  "If scarcity exists, a decrease in the growth of demand does not reduce aggregate demand. The demand remains greater than the avialible supply.
  And the demand continues to increase (albeit at a slightly slower rate)."
   
  And:
   
  "Removing morality from the equation, it's quite correct.
  
  Being at the top of the food chain, our only predator is ourselves. I'm very much convinced that we have a biological instinct to kill those around us when resources are scarce.
  
  Living in the first world in the 21st century gives us a skewed perception. Our poorest citizens are rich by the standards of bygone ages. Thus, we don't' feel the instinct day in and day out.
  
  That said, IMO what separates animals from people is the concept of morality. We recognize, most of us anyway, that our instincts are not always good, and should not always be followed. We find other ways of meeting the nessistity covered by war."

  __________________
  

• jasonrest said on Apr 08, 2007....

  Well I'm glad you managed to find your economics and quotation book. However, I would ask that you rely on your own mental powers. Which brings us back to the problem.

• LadyGamer said on Apr 08, 2007....

  You don't posess much in the way of reading comprehension do you?

   

  I said these were people who agreed with ME. Specifically. These are comments made in direct response to ME and my above statement.

  And now, as proof of my mental abilities...I am forgetting your idiot ass exists. You don't want a real discussion. You want a flame war.

   

  Go play with the other fools in stupidland.

• SeanRenaud said on Apr 08, 2007....

  Your right when resources are scarce humans ar like any other animals.  Violent.  I we weren't we'd starve to death.  But as you also point out resources aren't scarce these days thus we have less need for war.

• jasonrest said on Apr 08, 2007....

  oh now you see fit to have a intelligent, civil conversation. How convenient.

• Why? said on Aug 20, 2007....

  It is my position that men and women are equal, but DIFFERENT.
  When I say equal, I mean that men and women have a right to equal opportunity and protection under the law.

  Unfortunately, this is NOT what Jason's question was about so however much heated discussion over the equality of men and women in other areas (psychological ability rather than physical ability) is irrelevant to the question.

  In answer to Jason's initial question:

  Genetically, men have the ABILITY to be physically stronger than women.
  If you are a feminist then I appreciate your views but try and argue with genetics and you're fooling yourselves. Men build muscle easier than women do, are pre-dispositioned to have greater upper-body strength and have (literally) thicker skin than females.

  This does not, however, mean that ALL males are physically stronger than females.
  If you compare an elite female athlete to the average man, there is no question to who is the strongest or most physically outstanding of the two. And who deserves more respect? The male athlete who has worked hard to get where he is or the female athlete who has worked even harder to build the muscle and even harder to overcome her natural body shape to reach the same level?

  So yes, Jason, men are genetically structered to be physically stronger than women.
  But many men do not take advantage of this pre-disposition and are therefore NOT stronger than a lot of women.

  What you have to understand is that women and men were designed genetically different but that does not make one gender superior to another. There are much better ways to assess how 'superior' one human being is to another than by their sex.

  
  It is this close-minded way of thinking that initiates such irrational responses from both men and women who are hurting their causes rather than calmly and logically expressing their views.

  I hope my argument has had some relevance to you and can help answer your question.

• Taffy000 said on Dec 10, 2007....

  I think that men and women have their roles.  I was listening to a Catholic radio program last night.  The guy talked about the way men are viewed as fathers.  Does a good father look at porn at night on his computer while telling his wife he's "working."  The priest or whomever said people told him he was a good father because he took his child to games.  He said how do they know he's a good father.  Perhaps he hands his child off to his wife & shows them attention. 

  I think this myth that men & women are equal is a plan set in place by---I don't know who maybe the government?  I know the trend now is for women to say "I don't need a man.  I work, I have my own money & I have 3 or 4 kids by 5 different men.  What do I need a man in my house for?"  I was fortunate in that my father raised me.  I saved his life.  I gave him a purpose.  He did the same thing for me.  It's sad that most people never think of Black men as being single parents! 

  I know the value of having a man in my home.  I believe in marriage.  Of course I have my days when I wish he'd disappear but I guess that's life......it's rare for people to get along all the time. 

  I think that women who declare they don't need men are missing out.  But then again being married to a man who doesn't support you or drives you crazy can be worse than having no man at all!

• anonymous said on Jun 20, 2008....

  there's something interesting you guys have neglected to mention: from a scientific, physical standpoint, as you'd said, what the hell makes you think you're necessary for survival any longer? recently, sperm cells have been created from female bone marrow. look it up. looks like you're completely out of a job, and evolutionary necessity, mr. musclyarms :) you're obsolete. further, for the most part, I won't lie, chicks are vapid. most of them are only furthering stereotypes. MOST. but to make BROAD SWEEPING generalizations is stupid and closed minded at best. and as for the physical prowess thing? most american men are hilariously obese. you HAVE to be stronger to lug that much of a beer gut around. at least chicks know when to stop drinking and stow the pork rinds. for the record, however, I've armwrestled much bigger male friends and won, and I'm only 5'2. it's more about willpower than flat out muscle density. look at videos of old masters of any major martial arts school - they're TINY and OLD, and it's certainly not their size that makes them formidable. no one's mentioned sexual prowess, either. okay, so you can stick it somewhere warm and get off in a couple seconds. I'm sure you can even force it on someone unwilling. wow, you're cool. I'm impressed and all. I doubt you've ever lasted long enough to make a woman come, if you've actually even been with one at all, which is probably why you've failed to mention women's vast sexual capabilities. have you ever heard of females having multiple orgasms? I've read about chicks literally having HUNDREDS of orgasms in a several hour period in one night. your little sausage is most likely spent, wrinkled and floppy after 30 seconds and one shot. and you think you're superior HOW? meanwhile, women's libido keeps going up and up and peaks at about 35. you, a typical male, peaked at 18, and you're only going down, down down. you probably won't even be able to get it up to satisfy anyone your age by the time you're 30, and you sure as hell won't be getting any younger chicks. typical frustrated lowlife little boy.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2008....

  lolololololololololololololololololol

• riii said on Jun 20, 2008....

  no solid response to any of that? I didn't think so. also, WOW did you respond quickly, please just go back to jerking it in your mom's basement. as for me, I'm adding soulcast notifications to my spam filter so I'm not reminded that you exist the next time you spout something dumb in response. go inhale a cock.

• SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2008....

  How do you respond to that absolute drivel?  It's like debating if Sonic the Hedgehog made cars obsolete!

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