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Tough Love

 

Things had gotten out of control in certain respects….the talkback and showing disrespect had gotten so common as my wife put up with it on a constant basis, that it reached the breaking point.

Call it mother love or whatever you want to call it but I didn’t agree.  From the beginning I let her know that I didn’t agree. But try telling that to a mother who is blinded by her vision of what motherhood is or should be. Her daughter had gotten to the point of manipulating her mom on such a daily basis that she honestly thought that she was in control. Then enter the picture, RollingC, who let her know from the beginning that things were not as she in her juvenile mentality had imagined and she wasn’t in control of her life but her parents were. Not only did she reject me, which I expected for what child wants to see their parents divorce and then have someone new take the place of one of them, but she built a wall around herself which caused me to do the same although I tried to control that.

To make a long story shorter her jabs and indirect insults were so constant that her mother was going crazy. Not only would she not accept the fact that we were actually training her for an eventual flight from the nest but she started from the day I met her to start with the lies and tricks to get her way. She discovered at an early age that her mom has limits and when those limits are reached she can usually get her way. The real problem was and is that she wants to train herself and lead her own life already but to also have us to bail her out of any mess she gets herself into. In other words she wants the freedom of an adult but none of the responsibilities, something that I've pointed out before but on deaf ears.

That night what set the whole thing off was the constant jibes that she was letting loose on us, specially on her mom as she also quickly picked up that I don’t go for that and that technique doesn’t work with me.  She kept mumbling and blaming us for not having a job and that reason was due to not having her car, as we didn’t allow her to drive yet. And the fact is that she has already proven to be not only that she had her own agenda that she was willing to lie and manipulate for but also the party she went to and wound up dead drunk passed out, so how are we going to give driving privileges to someone that can't be trusted?  The people had called the police and then us and also called Fire & Rescue. We got there just on time to say no thank you and took her home but it was a big emotional evening for everyone, specially her mom.

At any rate I started to say speak up and what the heck you talking about as you got yourself into this all by yourself when my wife blew a gasket with her daughter. The whole thing escalated to the point where my wife said enough is enough and now you’re going to spend time with your dad as you don’t like it here and you’re making life miserable for everyone.

So her bags were packed and she was sent to her dad , who complained and tried to get out of it at first, and when she got there she immediately started her conniving tricks with her dad. He gave her a much wanted cellphone which we denied to get as it was an added expense not needed by a teenager who wants to chat, chat, chat with the whole world. She already ran up the phone bill disregarding any text messaging limits with her friends and finally had a big fight with her dad about her “ freedom “ and going out all hours of the evening…etc.

 

My question to you fellow Soulcasters… what decisions in “ Tough Love “ have you ever had to make… or want or need to make in your lives?

 

Your input is much desired…..

 

Thanks

Rc



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  • RollingC said on Apr 03, 2007....
    Most of the family has respected the decision as they know how she can be and hopefully she'll  " wake up " and smell the coffee as they say...
    Only time will tell.
    Rc
  • polarheart said on Apr 03, 2007....
    Rc, I have thankfully never been in a similar situation, but I think I can understand.  There is only so much a person can take.  Her actions are wrong and she will see it one day.  Right now she is caught up in her own selfishness, but I am a true believer in "the wheel turns".  I hope that she will catch a wake up before something serious happens.
     
    Polar
  • secretlife said on Apr 03, 2007....

    RC:  teenaged girls can drive parents crazy.  i have 2 of my own.

    they can be rude, manipulative, disrespectful....they push every boundary...they know everything.

    so tough love, is really your only choice ...i don't see another.

    when you ask what decisions, for my 17 yr old i have rules.  She can't go out on school nights.  She can't just go out with friends who drive - - that is decided on a case by case basis, cell phone not allowed at school, must remain within minutes we get or she pays  + loss of phone for one month (this has happened twice in 4 years), she has chores to do....weekly.  she doesn't get paid to do them, these are chores as part of being in a family.  she doesn't do them, she doesn't go out that week. 

    the hardest thing to be, but the most important is consistent.  if you say something you HAVE TO follow thru.  you mess up once, the kid sees the opening, and then they have the edge back again.

    my daughter, with all these rules, is a good girl.  she is a good student, involved in lots of activiites, and i'm proud of her most days.  however i will tell you rc, that she and her father get along like oil and vinegar because he wasn't always a part of her discipline, and because he's anything but consistent.

    teenagers are tough.  don't let them get away with anything. don't be afraid to tell them you weren't born yesterday.  follow thru on your punishments, and pick your battles.

     

  • RollingC said on Apr 03, 2007....
    Polar....thank you and I hope that she does too. May you never be in the same predicament as this one for believe me it takes an emotional toll out of you. My wife is dealing with guilt feelings that are not hers to begin with but she still feels like a failure. She was never a good disciplinarian and didn't follow up on punishments like one should until it was too late.

    Secret....thank you for your comments. The same is done here and we (specially me) get called the tyrants ( I'm called the Dictator) as we put rules and regulations that I swear she stays up nights thinking ways to break....however she's not streetwise enough to get away with them.  I can honestly say that she had her mother all figured out and tried using her  to pit us both at each other and find a weak link...this one thinks she's a master manipulator but she's got years to go on me at least.  Her mother's love blinds her to her wiles and she's an honor roll student on top of that so she thinks... or rather thought... she could outdo me but when that failed then the wall of secrecy came up higher.  The only way to deal with her was to " get tough ". I put my foot down and set certain rules...like about the p/c for instance. I'd check her p/c from time to time and her mom was on the warpath with me about respecting her privacy....hehehehe...until I found the porno movie that she'd downloaded and tried to hide...lol.
    Then I put parental controls on and she complained about that but no dice...it stayed on...and her mom finally accepted my " trust but verify " ways when I found pictures that she'd been keeping as some kind of  ' journal ' maybe with her and some friends smoking pot !
    An honor roll student keeping incriminating pictures like that !
    Makes me wonder how she got her status as an honor roll student.... : >)
    Time will tell....as now she found out her father is as strict as her mom and I are and after that initial blowout they had (the father wanted to send her back...hehehe)
    they seem to be getting along good....and that's a good sign.
    Thanks for commenting
    Peace
    Rc
  • secretlife said on Apr 04, 2007....

    RC:  like you said, just because they're honor roll kids doesn't mean they have  much common sense or any street smarts....

    part of being young is feeling invicible, right?  so getting caught must seem high-nigh impossible to them.  that's why they make stupid mistakes.

    yes, trust but verify.  and that's the way you can keep on trusting or begin again.

    the pc's are a challenge.  i think they're one of the biggest challenges today-

    good luck with your teenager!

  • botoni said on Apr 04, 2007....
    RollingC.....A blended family has unique stresses all of it s own. I strongly believe that solid and reasonable rules are essential for a teen to grow to a healthy adult. Parenting a teen is a thankless job in many senses. As parents we try to protect our teens from themselves. We also need to recognize that they are trying their wings...sturggling to be independent even though they arent prepared for it yet.
    You re right on track. The rules need to be clear, firm and absolute as well as fair and just. Even though teens struggle like caged animals they need the security of strong boundries. In the long term those restrictions today will help her live a full, balanced and safe life in the long term. She may hate you now but in time she ll respect and appreciate.
  • mommyof2 said on Apr 08, 2007....
    Rolly, Just one thing to say here, this is what they called it when I was put into many homes for 5 years...please try to recall what it was like to be that age and listen, young ones only want to be heard and truly understood.
  • RollingC said on Apr 08, 2007....
    botoni....thanks for commenting and someday I hope that she fully realizes what she put us through and that we really care for her but just had to do what we did.

    mommy...thanks for commenting and don't know what your situation was like but believe me we tried.  She's secretive, doesn't communicate well with us as she believes she's unique (like all teenagers) and wants her own world. She's very at all times attentive with friends then comes home and gives us minimum communication except when she wants something. We discovered she was starting to get bulimic as she would do the throwing up after eating to stay thin, then upon grounding her so to speak as we started controlling her, she gets herself declared a Baker Act by the police and after spending the required 3 days in the phsyc ward she " wakes up " but only for awhile. 
    She goes out to a party, she actually deserved a reward for kicking the bulimia  (after therapy sessions) and was spending the night at a girlfriend's house and we get a call at 3am that she's passed out drunk at some house....those are some of the " highlights " she has given us.
     
    Believe me when I say I'd love to have a daughter...even a stepdaughter....that I could shower with love and attention...but it's kind of hard to do that when you get nothing in return except trouble and selfishness.
  • mommyof2 said on Apr 10, 2007....

    Rolly, Do you have other kids? It could be jeolousy....

    There could also be something that happened to her to make her act out....

    Or she could be just spoiled....just guessing...my life turned to shit after I was raped at 11.

  • RollingC said on Apr 11, 2007....
    I am so sorry to hear that mommy2....that must've been awful and you deserve a medal for carrying on.
    No I don't have any kids of my own and this is my first marriage but you're right as to the jealousy.... she's jealous of me stepping into the limelight of her mom I guess and there are other issues that I'm not mentioning but kids " pick " up on their behavior and outlook on life as early as 5 yrs old or so I've read and she picked up the tension between her mom and dad and learned to use it to her advantage. Then the divorce came and finally I came on to the picture. It hasn't been easy but I've never lost hope until recently as I'm fed up with all the BS that I got to put up with....she's actually quite smart not just a good looker....but street smart she's a sitting duck (at least in this country).
    She's crying all the time about coming back and now the mom wants her back but I don't...at least for now and I'm not sure how far to take this but all I know is that I'm very fed up with the situation and not ready to have her back...things may explode here for all I know.  She's playing her mom again but try telling her that.
  • mommyof2 said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Rolly, Do you love her mother? Does she talk to you?
    I just forsee it all over if you are stuck between them, if you could only tell her this, or let her read this whole post. I agree that she's jeolous of you.
  • RollingC said on Apr 11, 2007....
    Mommyof2......
    I'm willing to let her mom read this whole post even if it brings trouble. She's a very secretive person also...duh! like mother like daughter.  There's a whole set of issues to deal with and I've made some progress with the both of them but it just seems that I've run out of gas and don't want to deal with it anymore. I'd be happy to if there was some hope of unity...together we stand and divided we fall.....the only problem is that we have been divided for too long.  But whichever way the cookie crumbles I'm willing to let her read the whole post if there's going to be an improvement from it.
    Thanks for commenting and I'll think about it.
    Rc.
  • hotaka said on Apr 14, 2007....
    Hi RollingC. I decided to pay you a visit before I went home for the weekend because you always show up to comment on my blogs. Thanks!

    Your post reminded me of another reason I don't want kids. Heh, SoulCast is helping out the world's population by discouraging one guy from having children.

    It sure is ironic that a girl like that can yammer on and on about freedom and then not have an clue about the responsibilities. As polarheart said, she will hopefully grow out of it and see what it means to be an adult. I can only guess what she and her friends go on about, how their parents are keeping them in cages and so on. I don't know if there's a way to avoid it, but some girls do grow up without driving their parents totally insane.

    I think the hardest decision I ever had to make was to cut my ties with my family because a girl I was dating said she couldn't handle my mother's hate for her. She said as long as I went to see my parents my mother would try to convince me what an evil woman my gf was. At the time I wanted to give this girl all I could and so I quickly reduced my visits to my family to once a year for an hour at Christmas. It really hurt me to pull away from my family. I also had to give up my friends too. Somehow I belived that one day everything would work out. It didn't. When we broke up I swore I would never let a girl convince me to leave my family and friends again. My time with that girl is my darkest period.
  • Jenna said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Hey RC.....I just came across this.....I am sorry you are having a diificult time with your step daughter.  I have not had any major problems....so I cannot offer any advice other than piggy back on what secret said about consistency.  
     
    We had rules....and that was that.  Kids tried to push the limits but we stood firm even though they got mad at us. 
     
    I can hear your frusrtation....good luck with everything.  In the end I hope everything works out.   And I hope you don't get too many gray hairs over it all.  Teens are hard work!
     
    Thinking of you!
    Jen
     
     
  • RollingC said on Apr 15, 2007....
    Thank you Hotaka for commenting and don't let my experience negate you from having a child....all people...and that goes for kids also...are different and with consistent love and discipline you should have no problems. And even then sometimes that's not good enough so what the heck.   My emotional batteries are recharging...albeit slowly...but I realize I got plenty more fight left in me so I'm not running out of gas yet like I thought.

    Jenna....thank you for commenting.  You and the others are a ray of sunshine and hope on a cloudy day for me.  : >)
    I feel the positive thinking from you all and it really helps. 

    Thanks...
    Rc
  • kingcobra said on May 06, 2007....
    ...one is coming up with my ex-mother in law Roll...........she can't look after herself anymore and refuses to go to an old age home!!!...wants to stay with one of her daughters and she is not your normal little old grandma!!!
  • RollingC said on May 06, 2007....
    Oh my goodness you're in for a trip.  The real trick is not to let it get you in a negative way.  My stepdaughter is back home as she didn't really get along with her father.  We curbed her wild ways a bit with letting her know that she'll be going back to her father if she doesn't behave and finally she got a job (part time) with the goal in mind to save some money for her future projects....like buying a car etc.  But in no uncertain way we let her know that the rules of the house are paramount and that's that. 
    In your case it's different as she's a grandma already and even if she doesn't have any dementia it's still going to be difficult for you.  When it comes down to having to assist her to go to the bathroom then I draw the line as by then she'll need to go to a home as hiring someone full time is or can be more expensive than going to a home.   
    Good Luck
    Rc
  • RollingC said on May 06, 2007....
    Ooops she's your ex-mother in law.   Well her daughter is in for a burden that is really a chore of love.  Maybe they can split duties?
  • marysaaka said on May 09, 2007....
    I am asking a similar posted blog,  it seen like you have or someone have allow this child the oppouunity to be as defiant  as she appear to be in your dipictment early . Now you all need professional help, because you all are of track, the child have been running the house for quite sometime, you have lost your identify as parents, no rules, no rules and it must be a strain on your relationship, therapy, I recommend, touch love, neither one involve with this child is able to show tough loev even if you had the pointer.
  • RollingC said on May 09, 2007....
    Easier said than done marysaaka....
    ps...go back and re-read the post again, but this time more slowly.
  • CreativeWoman said on May 11, 2007....
    RC,
    I don't have children.  However, my grandmother (my dad's mom) moved into a nursing home after a fall.  She promptly started a feud with my mother.  She tried to manipulate me and turn me against my mom.  She forced me to choose sides.  I chose my mom. It was hard because I love them both.

    CW
  • RollingC said on May 12, 2007....
    I hear you CW.
    My wife has to choose between my rules and her view of motherhood.  She's getting tough lately but I say if she'd had a firm hand from the beginning things wouldn't have  been so bad.  Hopefully all will work out in the end as the kid finally saw the tough side of her mom.  Me she doesn't bother as she knows she can't play me but she had to learn the hard way (and my wife too) that you need to have rules.
    Hope that things work out for you and your mother-in-law as I also remember there was jealousy between my grandmother on mom's side towards my grandmother on dad's side.
    Rc
  • RollingC said on May 17, 2007....
    Ha....spoke too soon.  The juvenile jerk did it again and thank God it's only a little thing that's not so bad but still upsetting to her mom.  I remember doing pranks and stuff when I was her age but I also remember thinking enough ahead to figure out how not to get caught and cause grief in the family.
    She went and skipped school today and I still don't know how she figured out that she wasn't getting caught for that.  That's what worries me.  Not the stunt so much as her lack of conscience and caring. 
    Oh well.... let the chips fall where they may as I'm not putting up with her anymore.
  • marysaaka said on May 19, 2007....
    Rolling C, i went back and read slowly, my above comment want change inference to your situations that you have stated above and I see you are still having problems and that you are the only one concern about the future or should i say enought to blog about this child, yet you live with the child mother, there must be and udo amount of pressure in that house.  How can you use tought love to someone that want abide by the simply rule, SCHOOL, i dont know how to give someone tough love when in your situations, there are no groundrules, I dont know how you would enforce tough love.  Is there a difference between tough love and groundrules. I see you refer to the child as jerk, i viewed that as an insult made by you to you. You wear a title to this child and that title is STEPFATHER.
  • RollingC said on May 19, 2007....
    Yes mary I refer to her as a jerk as I'm getting tired of the lies she makes and the sacrifices that are done for the child and the remorseless behavior on her part to win confidence and get my (our) trust only to pull another lie on us. 
    Honestly I'm beginning to think that there's something wrong with that child to behave like that.  My reference to her as a juvenile jerk comes after years of trying to show her the love and attention that her real father never did but kept being rejected by her. I see a pattern in her of selfishness that I've never seen in someone supposedly intelligent as you'd think she would show some concern for her mother's feelings or desires.
    But she shows it for her " friends " though. 
    You think we haven't been to a Psychologist and have had sessions as a family and as an individual ? We both...me and my wife... work odd hours and like everybody else are struggling to make ends meet.
    When given a cellphone and you're intelligent enough to notice that your " parents " are working themselves silly to put a roof and dinner and other amenities you'd think you would try not to go over certain limits as not to overtax the available money to spend on things like that wouldn't you? But when you don't it shows lack of caring on all fronts and even an indirect insulting of the authority figures.
    You think you can do better ?
    Then let's hear it.....



  • southerngirl said on May 20, 2007....

    RollingC, i see you use the term struggling, when does it end, are you saying that this is a matter that can't be solve and that from days on in or as long as the child is in the house there will be struggling also,  you  have decided to accept the child difiant way, when you do, you have given up the battle of redrecting this child, whose i feel, have a lots of mental issues that should be address, for if you dont get this child the proper help she need, she will not become a productivity citizen, she is bless to have two parents in the home, you must taken control even if that mean calling in the heavyweight, the court, there must be something.  

  • RollingC said on May 20, 2007....
    Sorry to disagree....I never decided to accept the child's defiant ways.  I think her mom was too soft with her and not consistent enough until it was too late.  The firm hand and consistency should have been exercised since the beginning of her life but it wasn't.  A fact that now stands out and now her mom is getting as tough as I would have a long time ago.
    Is it causing mental hang ups with the kid? I definitely think so as she's probably waiting to turn 18 so she can declare herself adult and move out....and that's when the real lessons start .... don't think I haven't told her already. 
  • southerngirl said on May 20, 2007....
    RollingC, the post blog, i could relate to because i have had this type of experience in my life and at the time i was not aware of an illness call intermittent explosive disorder, authority defiant and emotional and behavior disorder, these are illness that must be treated by medications. You feel that the child is waiting to turn 18 and move out, how old is the child now and do you feel that at age 18 will the child be able to make adult decisions. 
  • RollingC said on May 20, 2007....
    Thank you for the info... intermittent explosive disorder, authority defiant and emotional and behavioral disorder. I was not aware and nope...she's in for a wake up call when she leaves the house.... She'll survive all right as she's pretty smart but not street savvy  and frankly...I thought it was repressed sexual desires (?).  Maybe she's a closet lesbian like my sister at that age.  When younger my sister was acting like her but without so much disrespect....but what do I know?  She's definitely has a hangup about privacy with her mom. 
    The therapists that have seen her have stated that she never mentioned me but did keep saying that her mom doesn't understand (love?) her.   Go figure.
  • southerngirl said on May 20, 2007....
    RollingC, some of your comment are so fucking, without compassion for the child. I think i will get up and eat me some beans, okra and corn bread.
  • RollingC said on May 20, 2007....
    Southern....
    This is one teenage that takes compassion (and anything else you give her), asks for more and then turns her back on you first opportunity that comes along.
    I know that she'll be back when times are hard and go again when it suits her. Or at least she'll try.
    Hope them beans,okra and corn bread taste good.
  • southerngirl said on May 20, 2007....
    I am not bashing you when i use the f.... word, i just have never ran across a child in this day and age with the amount of counseling and medications, that can't be redirected from there nonproductivity way, you are still presenting to me, a child that is full of uncontrollable emotions and desires, i pray that you and your family receive the voices of directions for this child, mother and yourself and this voice will have to come from god, he has those types of powers and yes, my pinto beans, corn bread and okras was very good, i did not want meat today, i am trying to eat meat once a week now, that's another story.
  • RollingC said on May 20, 2007....
    By the way.... is there such a thing as a bi-polar teenager ? I'm beginning to have my suspicions as lately every couple of months the *hit hits the fan with her around here.
    If there's a way to check then I suspect one checkup will be coming up soon.
  • southerngirl said on May 21, 2007....
    Yes, Yes they are everywhere, you want even know until you are aroung them for a while and watch the patterns of there ragful way, manic and there depress attacks, either way manic or depress state, they can be very dangerous and unaware of the hurt they cause to other. I think that is a perfect choice, to receive professional help, i pray that is not the problem but if it is she will be receiving the help that she need, there are excellent medications on the market for this type of illness,
  • RollingC said on May 29, 2007....
    As the old macho saying (in Spanish) goes....she's having a sexual problem.  Sexual identification that is.  Plus the fact that she has a very secretive personality...at least with the household.
    I could put up with almost everything...and I have up until now...but the shit hit the fan when I found out about her sexual preference and told her mom.  Now the problem is dealing with mom as she feels she's at fault for her daughter's choice.
    Me, I could care less (although for such a beauty I think it's a waste) what or who she picks for a sexual partner but if I treat someone like a human being and look out for them I'm sorry but I expect the same treatment back and when I consistently don't get it then it's too bad when I react in a way that they don't like.
    Therapy (as far as we can afford) has been scheduled....although I don't expect her to do an about face but if it improves her behavior towards others in the home front then something positive will have come out of it.
  • marysaaka said on May 30, 2007....
    Good luck and i hope that there is somethng good that will come out of the counseling sessions for the child and the family.  You have my blessing.
  • southerngirl said on Jun 03, 2007....
    Hi, hope you and your family had a nice weekend.
  • RollingC said on Jun 03, 2007....
    Thank you marysaaka - I certainly hope that some improvement will develop from all of this emotional turmoil.

    Thanks Southern....worked this rainy weekend but it was good and quiet...relaxingly quiet.  Gave me a chance to catch up with making my movie collection.
  • southerngirl said on Jun 04, 2007....
    RollingC, i make misstake alots of time by having two blog name, "stupid me" and dont want to lose either of them because i like them both, you see i never had a nickname before and i am just all over the place with them both, i still mean well.
  • RollingC said on Jun 04, 2007....
    No problem SouthernMary.....I went through that too but got over it, now I just use one.
  • marysaaka said on Jun 05, 2007....
    Your understanding is appreciated, have a great day.

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