• D6fer said on Mar 22, 2007....

  By the way, the above mentioned incident happened just 5 minutes from my home.....and it is not the 1st of it's kind....gangs are far too prevalent here.....most of their members are mexican.....when they kill each other, my only care is that they are endangering the innocent people who live around them....I couldn't care less if they kill one another, it's just one more piece of crap off the streets.
   
   

• Club38 said on Mar 22, 2007....

  D6fer,

      I haven't posted anything under my new Club38 id.I was unsure of the themes of topics that I was going to cover.But thanks to you I have made a decision.I will write on a variety of subjects with the intention of eliminating ignorance.This will be easier said than done,for the ignorant can't see where I am coming from.

   By the way,you are reading words written by a Mexican.You said,"ruining my country".Did you forget that it was your forefathers who stole it?Shooting people in the back was amongst other cowardly ways that they used to do so.So FUCK YOU!If you live in California,why don't you get out of MY state?Get the fuck off my and my forefathers land.You started this and I will end it. 

• silverwhisper said on Mar 22, 2007....

  club, that isn't eliminating ignorance. that's perpetuating hate, and there's a massive difference. seriously, you have no words of criticism for the gang banger that cold-bloodedly murdered someone who was unarmed?
  
  d6: "ruining your country"? i know this just happened a few minutes ago. i hope that when you look back at this, you'll think differently about this and the way you feel about mexicans. b/c the things you say here absolutely are racist.
  
  ed

• Club38 said on Mar 22, 2007....

  silverwhisper,of course I don't think it's right to kill someone.I also don't think that to single out gansters as the only ones that do this,or that only Mexicans are in gangs is right either.There are people in every race like this.I believe it is unfortunate that some don't realize that we are all of the human race.Incidently,isn't it true that most gangs that exist today were created in part because of racism and racists?

  club38

• silverwhisper said on Mar 22, 2007....

  club, i agree with you on all counts except the last, as i'm not really familiar w/ the history of how gangs formed.
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 22, 2007....

  The number of illegal immigrants in gangs is high enough to warrent singling them out as a problem group so Club you got no leg to stand on there.  This land was yours.  It was Indian land prior to that, there was a war, your side lost.  It's not your land anymore, its America so fuck right off.  Learn the goddamn language (which you apparently have)
   
  I'll grant you the original post was racially charged, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.  I'm against racism but I'm equally against ignoring known problems and if this problem has something to do with race then we need to consider that in our solutions.

• curmudgeon said on Mar 22, 2007....

  Incidently,isn't it true that most gangs that exist today were created in part because of racism and racists?

  That is just the biggest pile of mierda de vaca I've ever heard. As if gangs of criminals don't exist in every country in the world. What, the big bad Anglo is responsible for all the criminal activity and barbarity in the world? What a bunch of self-hating crap.

  Please give this exploited little brown man bullshit a rest. If you want equality, start acting like an equal and consider yourself and every other member of the human race equally culpable in the evil that they commit.

  We all have choices to make in life. Blaming someone else for one's own bad deeds is just as ignorant and racist as blaming an entire ethnicity for the actions of a few.

  If combating ignorance is your mission, you're off to a terrible start.

  Oh yeah - and for your information, Americans didn't "steal" the Northern Territories. They were won in the Mexican-American War. Santa Ana fought and lost. Get over it.

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 22, 2007....

  What does the fact that gangs appear in every nation have to do with them not being racial (don't get me wrong I don't think that they are but your logic is somewhat broken) In America we are unique in that we actualy have enough separate races to be blatently racist.  Many other nations however have "racism/creedism/culturalism" that are similar. Sunnis vs Shits vs turds is one.  Irish vs English is one.  I'm sure if one dug far enough you could make a strong case that racism is one of the driving forces behind gang activity.
   
  It's not even the white man ruined the world.  If anything he saved it.

• SeeingRed said on Mar 22, 2007....

  D6fer-I feel like I know you somewhat,  I'm so terribly sorry that you are subject to this neighborhood and those that through their OWN volition follow the path of violence and death. SR

• SeeingRed said on Mar 22, 2007....

  D6fer- This is for you, do not feel that you are a racist. SR

  Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in
  Texas
  Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican This is good! Below is a good
  example of a discussion with a master of circular logic. Don't be
  logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say what you
  think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to
  defend. On the streets of downtown Houston, May 1, 2006.
  Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
  Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters
  are marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what
  is your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?
  Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we
  are. We will bring Houston to its knees!
  Jim: What rights?
  Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get
  all the benefits you get.
  Jim: When did you come to the United State s?
  Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night
  with seven other friends.
  Jim: Why did you come?
  Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in
  a year in Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children
  can go to school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday
  I will have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
  Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws
  when you came?
  Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here.
  I have a right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security
  and Green Cards.
  Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
  Juan: >From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money
  too.
  Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
  Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and
  work.
  Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
  Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your
  Constitution. Read it!
  Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying
  anything about rights for Aliens.
  Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have
  Alien rights, like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in
  Mexico, so I came here.
  Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence
  and that document speaks to unalienable rights .. Not Alien rights.
  Juan: Whatever.
  Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen,
  why then are you carrying a Mexican Flag?
  Juan: Because I am Mexican.
  Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty .. To become
  a US citizen.
  Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a
  part of Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to
  its rightful owner.
  Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war
  with Mexico, Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the
  USA. It was not stolen from Mexico.
  Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was
  California , New Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuff
  you Gringos steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
  Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
  Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see
  them all over the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to
  keep us Mexicans out. How is this fair?
  Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American
  citizen then.
  Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live,
  work, and speak their native language wherever and whenever they please.
  That's another thing we demand All signs and official documents should
  be in Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in
  Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
  Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without
  proper documentation, what rights would I have there?
  Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
  Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right
  to live wherever they please.
  Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now
  you want Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights
  in Mexico. Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free
  medical service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you.
  You cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your
  birth.
  Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on
  this issue. Thank you for your comments.
  Juan: Viva Mexico!
  
  

• SeeingRed said on Mar 22, 2007....

  I'm on a roll D6fer- SR
  HARSH LAWS??

   

     1.     There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no

             special ballots for elections, and all government business will be

             conducted in our language.

     2.     Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long

             they are here.

     3.     Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

     4.     Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare,

              no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government

             assistance programs.

     5.     Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount

             equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

     6.     If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay,

             BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own

             waterfront  property.  That property is reserved for citizens

             naturally born into this country.

     7.     Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a

             foreign  flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our

             president or his policies.  If you do you will be sent home.

     8.     If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted

            down and sent straight to jail.

   

             Harsh, you say?...

             The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of " MEXICO " !

• D6fer said on Mar 23, 2007....

  club 38....Sw....and to whomever it may concern......I purposely left one detail out of my post.....the man that was shot was mexican as well.....I knew you would jump to the conclusion that for posting this, that I am somehow racist....I was outraged to hear of this poor guys murder.....what in the above post is not true? Are these just stereotypes I describe? no....they are facts! and they are getting worse!

• D6fer said on Mar 23, 2007....

  SW....thanks for your support here! I just want what is right for all people....I would like to see every mexican and white child alike grow old and enjoy life......how can that happen if this problem keeps getting worse?

• Club38 said on Mar 23, 2007....

  D6fer,you could never back away from what you have said,it shows what you think,you didn't need to give the race of the victim directly(which you didn't).However you did give it indirectly and by your own admission,unknowingly.You said something about not being concerned with them killing themselves,being that there was only one person killed,this person must have been Mexican.

  There is also a point that I am trying to bring about here,but I won't come out and say it,I could only hope that people will understand it for themselves,by interpreting what I have said and will say in the future.I hope to clear up some of the misperceptions that my words have already caused.#1 on this list is,I am half White and Mexican.My mother is white and my father is mexican.I consider myself to be Mexican because of spiritual reasons like,God being my father and the father of my heart,all of our hearts.So I am as my father in this way of reasoning.

  Finally,I did not say or imply that white people being racist were the sole racists that had a part in the origins of gangs.So I'll say it again,racism is part of what caused gangs to be created in the first place.

  P.S. Of course I speak english,english is the language that will reconfound the tongues.Why else would other nations teach in their schools English?Our form of English to be completely correct.

  But enough with responding to this post,they are themselves abridged posts of my own.

  Club38 

• silverwhisper said on Mar 23, 2007....

  d6: you said mexicans are "ruining your country". how in the hell is that anything but racist?
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 23, 2007....

  Because so many of the illegal immigrants are mexican in origin and are sapping our system dry.  Do we have illegals of other latin american countries?  Yeah and they cause the same problems.  Do we have illegals of other nationalities such as Chinese, Canadian and Irish?  Yeah but they have this odd habit of learning the language and blending in, instead of carrying Mexican flags and claiming this land is still theirs.  It is largely a problem with Mexico and to say otherwise is to lie.

• D6fer said on Mar 23, 2007....

  Club....i am not trying to back away from anything....I said what i meant and meant what I said....when I say I don't care if one gangbanger kills another then that is what I mean...I don't care what color they are or lack there of ..scum is scum as far as I am concerned....How in the hell does racism give anyone a free pass to be a degenerate and join a gang, kill people, peddle drugs and endanger others lives?

  SW....how can that be anything but true? It has nothing to do with race as far as the action itself....but everything to do with it from the side of where the action is coming from......Am I signing up mexicans to join gangs? no....Am I bringing them into our country illegally? no....Am I telling them that they do not need to learn to speak the language? no......Am I pulling the trigger of the gun that fires the stray bullet that kills the innocent 6 year old girl in her home? NO!

  How bad do things have to get exactly, before I have the right to speak out against them? I know that there is plenty of white scum out there doing the same things as i mention above. But it is not as much of a problem as we see in the mexican community. Racism is nothing but a political tool to gain power now days.

  I am sorry SeeingRed, I mention thank you above to SW....I meant you....SW, you probably thought I was being sarcastic....that was not meant for you.....and by your comments I am sure you don't want my thanks anyway!

• TCAtlanta said on Mar 25, 2007....

  I have always believed the U.S. is extremely liberal with immigration laws. However, I am willing to concede I do not know the rationale or Public Policy surrounding our liberal attitude. Here is what I do know: FYI Short Version Groups: Person's of Commanility Gangs: Person's of Commonality Cliques: Person's of Commonality Its the behavior of a clique that turns them into a gang; Its the behavior of a group that turns them into a gang. When trying to assimilate (fit into another culture), it makes sense that race becomes a commonality. Most person's are racist against one or more races-It does not make sense that everyone likes everyone race, this would be 100 percent perfect and it makes sense that Americans are fighting to hold onto their land, power, and such to pass down to future generations. Thanks for allowing me to visit

• D6fer said on Mar 25, 2007....

  TCA...you are welcome....I do believe that people self segregate for a reason.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 25, 2007....

  d6: nah, i just figured you had the wrong initials. :> as to why i said what i said: you're saying that mexicans are ruining your country. you didn't say, "gang bangers are ruining your country" when in point of fact, there are gang bangers of every persuasion. you are equating all mexicans with gang bangers, d6, and that simply isn't the case. i've known mexicans, d6, and no, they really aren't all gang bangers.
  
  ed

• D6fer said on Mar 26, 2007....

  of course not SW...I grew up in a community where there is a large mexican population....have many mexican friends....but here's the problem...there is not enough being done within the mexican community to put pressure on the people to start making a difference....therefore it is a mexican problem.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 26, 2007....

  right, but do you see how what you said in that comment doesn't jibe with what you said in the original blog entry?
  
  ed

• D6fer said on Mar 26, 2007....

  A bit of a sweep I suppose....but I really think people need to get riled up about it....get a dialogue going at least.

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 26, 2007....

  Piss em off to get their attention.  A man after my own heart.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 27, 2007....

  d6: no offense, but looking at how much of the comments were based on you saying "no, i meant [x]", are you sure that's an effective means of communicating what you're saying? if i wrote a blog entry that said "the only good whitey is a dead whitey", and really wanted to have a conversation about race relations in the US, don't you think it would be hard for you to be interested in wanting to do anything other than just tell me i'm a racist asshole?
  
  ed

• D6fer said on Mar 27, 2007....

  well jeez Sw....I don't think I said anyone needs to die here.....well maybe except drug dealers that like to shoot one another....The reason this situation pissed me off so bad was that this poor guy was trying to do the right thing....breaks up a fight and gets killed for it....and this isn't the 1st time this kind of thing has happened around here....and yes it is happening predominately at the hands of mexican gangs....I can't change the facts....I can only react.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 28, 2007....

  i wasn't saying you were, d6. but when you say something like mexicans are ruining my country, you're lumping all mexicans into the same bunch as gang-bangers, and that's simply no less racist than what i said, even if it's not as hateful.
  
  ed

• D6fer said on Mar 30, 2007....

  No I don't think it is SW....because I don't think that it is just the gang bangers....I think it is the fact that the mexican community chooses to look the other way....who is speaking out within the mexican community?....who is the Bill cosby of the Mexican community? I heard of a guy...I can't remember his name...but I know they were calling him "uncle juan" (like uncle tom)  shameful.

• silverwhisper said on Mar 30, 2007....

  then we disagree. which is completely unsurprising, i suppose. :>
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Mar 30, 2007....

  No he has a solid point ed.  Who is speaking out against the gang violence or illegal immigration in that community.  Hell last years, a day with out an illegal that became a day without a mexican stands as pretty good proof that these people are a united community and should be blamed as a whole.
   
  Until I hear some very vocal Christians come out and defend stem cell research and evolution I'm going to accuse Christians of holdin back science in those areas.  My mother supports both theories and is Christian so examples abound but don't matter because they aren't visible.
   
  The same goes for why I'm largely against Islam.  We don't see nearly enough I think I've read about one, who actively denounces terrorism and extremists.  This to me is an issue where people need to be forced to pick sides rather than the namby pamby nancyboy attitude of there are two sides to every story.

• D6fer said on Mar 31, 2007....

  I agree Sean.....too important to just sweep these issues under the carpet.....immigration and islamic terrorists are the two greatest threats to the united states today.

• silverwhisper said on Apr 01, 2007....

  now that i've had a bit more time to think about it, i do agree w/ that last point, d6.
  
  ed

• JohnyBottom said on Sep 30, 2007....

  Saying that Mexicans are ruining our country is NOT a racist statement. Mexicans are not a race, they are a nationality. Hispanics are not a race either, that is an ethnic group.
   
  So if someone says they hate Mexicans, technically, that is not a racist statement.

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