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Of course this isn't actually true but I've been criticized heavily here and other places for expressing a similar opinion.   The bottom line is that I have said and I feel that if a man and woman are spending too much time together that there is probably some kind of sexual attraction.   If I wanted to just have a conversation I have several male friends.
 
So what do other people think?


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  • shekinah said on Mar 11, 2007....

    just sorta cutting to the chase here, if you feel more inclined to fuck women but converse and get into 'serious' issues with men only... imho, you could be fighting or suppressing your own feminine side. This post has nothing really to do with women and men outside of you, but everything to do with the feminine/masculine balance within you (in my opinion).   

    As you've probably been told 50 billion times, (by the sounds of it), there is so much more to a real-life female than her sexual side. *insert shocked smiley*. But also, i would say, so much more to you (for example) and men like you (and females for that matter with an underdeveloped feminine side) than just a hard-core, tell-it-how-it-is/player/boys-boy. But you may not ever 'know' yourself as a whole person, unless you open up to your inner feelings and softer side. You will keep projecting this inability or refusal to embrace feelings onto your outside world. That is, women have one role in life and that is, to bend over for you....blar blar blar...

    Does this make sense?? Probably not. That's ok i just like hearing my fingers tap on the keyboard. 

    But until people start to accept and embrace their own heart, their softer feminine side perhaps (?), they may continue to project their hatred of part of themselves actually onto the outside world.

    love shekinah.

  • shekinah said on Mar 11, 2007....

    Also surprisingly, this type of inability to relate to women as anything other than sexual objects, while on the face of it looks like you are in a power position, in actual fact bellies the exact opposite... you feel extreme fear of women and your own inner female, of losing control and not being able to express power within a relationship or something similar. It has a lot to do with control and power issues (within you).

    love shekinah.

    ps - well you asked?!!!!!

  • mom said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Sean- LOL, well I think I read this a little different than maybe what you meant, so correct me if I am wrong.  I think that all relationships between the sexes always has a little bit of attraction.  The couple may not act on it but it is there.  I think that a guy and woman can sit together and shoot the shit and be friends, but I never for one minute think that the thought doesn't cross their minds on occasion of what it would be like to jump on that person and just go at it like rabbits. Sometimes just talking between you and someone else can be more intimate than anything physical.  How many females on here have you conversed with that you didn't wonder about?  I know for me I have mentally screwed about every guy on here. LOL
  • momsrock said on Mar 11, 2007....
    lol mom! I'd have to agree with most of what you said...  I have always had more male friends than female friends and I think it has crossed my mind about all of them at some point. I'd never do anything about it, but the thoughts are there. I'm kind of a pervert though so maybe it isn't that way for everyone.... 
  • queenparanoia said on Mar 11, 2007....
    did she mess you up really bad?
     
    LOL
     
    anyway. i totally agree with shekinah tere should be a balance between a man and a woman.
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 11, 2007....
    sean: some of my most interesting conversations have been w/ women rather than men b/c IMX, most men are at some point too afraid of not looking cool or macho or whatever such bullshit to be honest.

    ed
  • Aristotle said on Mar 11, 2007....

    Sean:

    I concur with silverwhisper.  Some of my best and indepth discussions about my inner most feelings occur with females.  I have noticed that guys put on this facade of being real tough and macho.....and are not receptive to such talk. 

    As for being just friends with the opposite sex.....it can certainly happen as does that once in a while fleeting thought of screwing each others brains out.

    Aristotle

  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    But why did you initially pursue a relationship with this woman?  Admitadly sometimes friends just fall in your lap because of work or school or whatnot but what was the initial reason for the friendship?  I talk plenty with some of the girls who have entered my life through those venues, or like on here where we are all in an open discussion.  But I don't think I've ever just wandered up to a girl because I wanted to ask her about the newest video game, or politics or what not.
     
    In theory this statement should be true in its inverse if its true at all btw.
  • kruuyai said on Mar 11, 2007....
    sean... how often do you just wander up to a strange guy to ask him about the newest video game or politics or whatnot?
  • CountRollo said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Olde Englishe sayinge,- " Love is for men,- Women are for sex"
    Not sure I subscribe to it entirely, but it's fully understandable when you consider the unbreakable bonds between men in certain groups, particularly soldiers, rugby players and similar. The one thing on their collective minds is invariably standard heterosexual SEX. CountRollo
  • husbandhater said on Mar 11, 2007....
    You don't get out much do you? When was the last serious relationship you had? Don't have any daughters do you sean? I had a patient call his daughters Whores today. 3little hoes just like him. You'd be 1 of those fathers huh?
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    My Fiancee of six years is the last serious relationship I had.  No children as of yet though.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    So Sean are you saying that when it comes to male-female relationships that men never seek friendship with a woman unless they are first sexually attracted to her? And that all male-female friendship are based on some underlying sexual attraction that may not be acted on?


    I'm not sure I buy that.
  • kelly said on Mar 11, 2007....
    My experience is that I have had several friends of the opposite gender and I can tell you it wasn't any kind of sexual attraction.  In fact, the idea of making it physical remained unappealing to me in spite of our great talks and fun times together.

    I think your idea on this lacks serious depth.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Pretty much sums it up.  That outside of forced bussiness type relationships that guys (and vice versa) do not seek relationships with those people they do not have an attraction too.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Sean--I know a few men who feel the same way about male-female friendships and I know a few women who feel the same way as well. So, you aren't alone in this theory.

    However, I am not sure you can broadly generalize and paint all male/female relationships with such broad strokes.


    Besides, who is to say that the female, who perhaps initiated the friendship, wasn't first sexually attracted to the male friend?
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Fair enough on that last point Zayda.  But I did say the same should hold true at the opposite side a few times.  I failed to think about the fact that this is likely only true for the initiator.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Do the conditions under which men and women become friends affect the implication that men only become friends with women they are sexually attracted to?


    For instance, I have a dear friend who is male, but he was primarily my husband's friend first. Now, the question is, is he only my friend because he was first my husband's friend? Or is he my friend because of some latent sexual attraction that he has for me that I am unaware of?


  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    That falls under situational. Like work or being on a sport together neither one of you initiated the friendship.  It just sort of happened through a mutual aquaintance.  I'm rather curious how those kinds of relationships function.
  • husbandhater said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Sean Note: Read Not the office Whore's poem Not a blog but a ooem to share and you can get some pointers on how to really love a woman!
  • Nowteam said on Mar 11, 2007....
    I bet someone broke your heart. You seem angry at women. You certainly don't value whatever they have to say. You only feel you should be having conversation with men. You are not going to have a satisfing relationship with any women with that outlook....How sad for you....I mean if you want to have a relationship with women.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    I'm curious, Sean. What about women that you never meet f2f or seen? Do you only have conversations with them online because you are attracted to them in some way?
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Nope.  The internet opened up whole new worlds of interaction though.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    And if you knew the way some of the people, especially the females, you have conversations on here with looked, would that change the types of conversations you have with them or the ability to treat them as intelligent, thinking, human beings rather than objects of sexual attraction?
  • mom said on Mar 11, 2007....
    or even want to talk to them at all?
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 11, 2007....
    Depends, how ugly is ugly.  Politeness, not one of my strong points.
  • Zayda said on Mar 11, 2007....
    I wasn't assuming that they would have to be ugly.What if someone you were talking to on here was beautiful or stunningly attractive? Would that change the way you interact with her?

    But what do looks have to do with your ability to treat someone as intelligent if she is so? Why should the fact that she isn't attractive affect that? Or the fact that she is overweight or anorexic?
  • bigvoodoojack said on Mar 11, 2007....
    go ahead speak your mind it's a free country.
  • sidhe said on Mar 12, 2007....
    What do other people think?  I think you are a very sad and pitiful example of pseudo manhood.  And you are indeed intellecutally dishonest.  All these posts you've made are not because you want an answer or input.  They're just there so you can piss in the can so to speak. 
     
    I'm more intelligent than you will ever be, and sexier, more caring and more a warrior as well. 
     
    And I'm female.  
     
    I suppose that means you don't want to talk to me according to your post.   You'd only want to fuck me and you never would get to because I require intelligence, honesty and caring in my men.  
     
    Yes, there is often sexual interest in male/female friendships.  That doesn't dispose of intelligent conversation, friendship, caring and every other good thing a friend can be.  It doesn't bury it either.  It just is something that is part of the friendship that doesn't have to be acted upon.
     
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 12, 2007....
    Usually yeah it would have some effect on the interaction if she was stunningly attractive.  Like many people I often forget my name in the presense of stunningly attractive people.
     
    @Sidhe I would respond to you but you really didn't say anything.
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 12, 2007....
    sean: i see that zayda's covered any of the points i might have, and more thoroughly than i might have.

    i do speak w/ women about matters unrelated to sexual interest or absence thereof. that was true when i was single and remains true when i was single.

    [shrugs]

    sidhe: your comment was nothing but a personal attack and was IMV unprovoked.

    ed
  • sidhe said on Mar 12, 2007....

    Well, you worded and titled your post in such a way as to provoke anger, particularly from women. 

    If you didn't mean it that way, why did you title it and write it like that?

    If you didn't mean it that way then I apologize, but you have to admit your wording is meant to provoke that kind of response. 

  • Zayda said on Mar 12, 2007....
    See, I don't necessarily see that the wording was meant to provoke anger.  The first words of the post do actually say "Of course this isn't actually true...."

    In fact, my reaction to it wasn't anger at all. But maybe that's just me.


    I think Sean is delving into something that I've heard alot of people say, and questioning whether men and women can really just be friends.


    I've had both male and female friends claim in the past that the only reason that men and women are "friends" is because they are sexually attracted to one another but aren't necessarily acting on that sexual attraction.


    I don't necessarily agree with that, but I know that Sean isn't the only person out there that has ever voiced that  question.
  • sidhe said on Mar 12, 2007....

    Well then, I apologize.

     

  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 12, 2007....
    Once again apology accepted.
     
    The title was carefully phrased to piss off as many people as possible.  I did however begin by saying that isn't actually true. 
     
    On a side note its really funny how I know I'm not the only person who's said or thought that in the past and yet nobody is admiting it.  Which leads me to believe one of two things.
     
    1. Everybody on the internet is so much smarter than me that all of the questions I have about the world are crystal clear to them.
     
    2. Even on the internet with a large degree of anomity people still lie to themselves and others.
  • mom said on Mar 12, 2007....
    OK OK I admit it!  I am only good for a fuck!  I feel so much better now ;)
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 12, 2007....
    No no, don't be so hard on yourself. You can probably cook, clean and give blow jobs.  Dear god tell me a woman with 46 D's gives head.
  • mom said on Mar 12, 2007....
    LOL, ok ok I can do all that.  I can tit fuck you ad give you head at the same time :)
  • sidhe said on Mar 12, 2007....
    Well Sean, I have a number of male friends who are just friends who I love dearly and spend much time with and have NO sexual attraction for.  I also have male friends I do have a sexual attraction for that I still love dearly and spend less time with so it doesn't get out of hand and I don't act on the attraction.  So at least from my point of view, no, sexual attraction isn't the only reason, from the woman's side at least, that a man and woman may spend time together. 
     
     
  • MsBradford07 said on Mar 13, 2007....
    I want to know why men can't share their feeling with a woman who shows them that they care.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    You need to divorce your husband mom.  (You know its really creepy hitting on someone named mom.)
  • MsBradford07 said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Is there a romance going on between mom and sean.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    Sean- well you don't have to call me mom, you call me Ma.  Why would I want to divorce my husband, we are just going to fuck.

    MS- LOL, just having fun with the little tyke. ;)

  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    I'm not little! Most women swoon over nearly eight inches.  Never has it been called small.  Not my fault you were spoiled by pushing a watermelon through a garden hose.
     
    Well if he'll let me borrow you for a night that would be cool.  Hell he can join in, but just to be fair we need to flip a coin to see who gets heads and who gets tails.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    [blinks]
    Sean, Sean, Sean, you are a sly little devil.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    LOL, 8 inches huh? Did you measure it? Watermelon?  OWIE.  I feel I hit a nerve, I apologize about the little remark.  I don't think my husband would want to join in, he doesn't like to join in much when it is just him and me, I will have to think of another scenario to get him going.  Nice of you to be willing to share though, that takes a BIG man.

     

  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    lmao... mom, it must have been your glamour shot that caught his eye...
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Sly, only because I make a great magician.  While everybody is looking over here I'm secretly doing something overe there.
     
    Of course I measured i.  All guys do, and if they tell you otherwise they lie.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    LOL, Moms I think it was my glamour shot.

    Sean- none of my men ever measured theirs, I did it for them. Did you measure the girth also?

  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    No, no, mom; it was that charming personality of yours combined with the glamor shot.


    So, Sean...what's your best "trick" Mr. Magician?
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    LOL oh yeah Zayda.

    I think we know his best trick, he can turn 2 inches into 8.

  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    LOL. MOM!


    I nearly snorted cranberry juice out my noise.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Why is it that when I write something, someone somewhere is blowing shit out their noses?  Don't hurt yourself, all that acid in Cranberry juice can hurt.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Because you're funny, Mom. :D :D
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Thanks Zayda but I don't want to be responsible for you blowing your sinuses out.
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    LMAO mom!!!
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    You might hit another nerve with that comment...you'll have to do a little extra ego stroking to get him back in the mood. :)
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    Aw shit you are probably right.  Sean!  I didn't mean it.  I just had to say it.  This is probably why I can't get any.  I just have a way of talking a guy out of performing.

    LOOK MOMS did it too- she said I would have to do a LITTLE extra ego stroking.  I would not have aid it like that.  I would have said I would have to do a HUMONGOUS ego stroking.

  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    lmao.... oh god...you're freaking killing me...
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Just tell him you'll go back to the kitchen like a good little mom...I seem to recall him liking that about steelmans post! :)
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Yeah that ought to do it.  Maybe if I tell him I will chain myself to the stove and just live for his happiness.
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....

    throw in that you will wear nothing other than your pearls, apron and high heels... that'll get him.

  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    So sex will be restricted to the kitchen?  Damn that sucks, I mean eventualy I'm gonna run ot of whip cream.
     
    Besides if your chained to the stove who's gonna clean my house? Moms, you can clean my house, the more hot women living in my house the better.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    0.o


    Just how many hot women do you want?
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    well thank goodness mom is the one chained to the stove because I can't cook a damn thing!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    However many I can afford.  :-P
     
    Hugh Hefner is my hero.
     
    If you promise not to run away I won't have to chain anybody to anything.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    LOL Moms- or maybe my pink bikini and heals.
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....

    yea, you keep the bikini...i better take the apron...(I don't think he knows I occasionally change colors...but being a former military man...he might appreciate my red white and blue?)

    No Sean, I can't run away.... exercising isn't my thing...lol

  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    LOL, I think I have upset him.  Oh my I did it again.  I have to remember that I am at least 3 times his age.

     

  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Sean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I wonder if he is still measuring the girth?  I used to run a dating service like speed dating but it was called speed measuring.
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    lol...he's just remeasuring to make sure he's still got it...
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    holy shit do we think too much alike??!! LMAO
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    LOL.  I hope he isn't multi[plying it times pi.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Hmmm...well, Sean, I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as hot. So....
  • momsrock said on Mar 13, 2007....
    lmao...i bet he is calling hugh to see if he ever experienced performance anxiety with so many hot women around. I'll have to check back in tomorrow...I need to go to bed!! Good night...
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....

    Moms- Well none of those women with Hugh as anything on the women of SC.  Oh sure they are all firm and spotless but we have age.  Oh yeah!

    Zayda you are hot because you are a woman of SC.

  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    I'm not used to being worshiped like the god I am, I normally don't check back that often.  Also I don't get email responses to my own posts.
     
    I can multiply the length, but then I come out like some freak of nature.  16 inches of rock solid cock?  Damn.  I think I'd pass out from blood loss.
     
    Red, White and Blue is good for me.
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    I get to be judge of if your hot or not.  Besides, level of kink has a lot to do with your hotness.  There are pornstars that I swoon over simply because I'm pretty sure their insane.
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Wow so you mean it huh?  That you would do me with the right bag on my head?  Awesome, I don't have to be lonely anymore.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Ohhh, being a woman of SC qualifies me as being hot. Coolio!
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    yes it sure does. *hugs*
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Yeah, Gorilla faces are a bit of a turn off but with a bod like that I'm sure we can figure something out.
  • Zayda said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Actually, mom, you do know what I look like. :D
  • mom said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Give it time Sean, I am sure you will come to appreciate my distinct looks.  At least you wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing me away from you.
  • Zayda said on Mar 14, 2007....
    Oh dear, has mom used all her comments for the day again?
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 14, 2007....
    Maybe. I'm going to sleep anyway.  With that bod I'm sure lots of people can over look a face. 
  • mom said on Mar 14, 2007....

    oops Zayda-  I just saw what you wrote.  No, I don't think I have ever saw your picture.  Are you going to share it with me?  I saw your pussy, remember?

    Goodnight Sean, and I am sure with a bod like that you can look over just about anything.

  • mystrongopinions said on Apr 14, 2007....

    LOL....the title of the post caught my eye...and

    the thread made me laugh....no offense....

    very amusing...

    I'm new to blogging, so I guess this is the only

    sexually charged one I've read so far....funny...

     

  • higgiemom said on May 12, 2007....
    I get what you're saying and totally agree.  I think two people of the opposite sex who are not homosexual can not possibly spend a large amount of time together and not have some type of sexual attraction.  It is not natural. 
     
    So, I guess you could have also stated that 'men are only good for a fuck' as well.  Women are just as sexually driven as men.  In fact, me and many of my friends have discussed that the lack of sex in our realtionships is due to the guy, not us.  We all agreed we'd be doing 24/7 if we could.  I think the cliche that men want sex all the time and women are looking for more emotional stimulation is just a bunch of BS.
     
    If I'm spending a lot of time with a guy, I will eventually want to hop in bed with him. 
     
     
  • AnotherLostSoul said on Jun 08, 2007....

    Am new to this, but dear lord thanks for the laughs!!!  Thought all the craziness was in MY HEAD!!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • mom said on Jun 08, 2007....
    Another lost- welcome to SC, you will find some of this and some of that and like any large family we have our battles.  Please if you see any of those, don't let them scare you away.  We have a lot of fun on here and we can get pretty crazy but the men and women of SC (most of them anyway) are fun, adoring, and great people.
  • tmdj06 said on Sep 29, 2007....
    And men are only good for... well at least us women are good for something! For the record are you forgetting that unless you really did hatch under a rock that a woman was a pretty important part of you even being born?
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 29, 2007....
    I was spontaneously generated in a puddle of pond scum.  Either that or I'm the off spring of Cruella Deville and Sauron.  :-)
     
    That said yeah you make a quality point there.
  • silverwhisper said on Sep 29, 2007....
    tmdj is obviously not actually reading the comments, i see.

    ed
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 30, 2007....
    Course not.  I don't even think he read the initial post.  I've found that quite often if you put something controversial in your title people skip past anything else.
  • JusticeForAll said on Apr 21, 2009....
    I tend to agree with you. I have a few close guy friends, but they are all gay. I don't have any close male fridns that are straight. When I was single, I had a lot more straight guy friends, and of course, there was some sort of attraction there. But now that I have been married for a while, I am no longer friends with those guys. So I have to say that generally yes. If a straight man and a straight woman are spending a lot of time together, chances are they are looking for something more than just "friendship".
  • doortoinsanity said on May 23, 2009....
    Sex is sex, you're missing out on a whole different perspective intellectually.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 24, 2009....

    which I would again point out we as a society are generally forced to miss out on because at the core that isn't how males and females interact.  There is a reason why married men have MALE friends exclusively save for the female friends of his male friends and the same goes for married women.  They have female friends save for the male friends of their girlfriends. 

    It's not an accident that the peices arrange the way that they do.

  • doortoinsanity said on May 24, 2009....
    No.  It isn't accident.  Society is you.  You control your interactions. 

    This is not true for everyone and certainly not true in my case.  There is society...then there's me.  I do not allow society's norms to dictate who I am, or how I interact. 

    We dictate how society is, not the other way around.  Now go get you a best girl friend and just hang out.  :)     If you like her, you probably won't want to complicate it with sex.     

    Don't limit yourself.  Fly.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 25, 2009....

    I've never found sex to be complicating.  Rather liberating. 

    You can claim not to let society dictate your life but it's a lie and nothing more.  Whether or not society has to be a certain way in order to survive or not is debatable (I believe that natural selection deals with more than just animals and in the wild and the way that things are for the most part are the only way it can be) but to claim that you control society is insane.

    Even if you believe that your own values came forth from a void instead of being colored by society it wouldn't matter because the people who interact with would have to pull their values from said same void or else it doesn't work.  Basically what I'm saying is that if your that first boy who decided he was tired of kicking a ball in a sport called Football and instead picked it up and ran.  You'd just get disqualified if everybody else wanted to play what is called football everywhere else in the world.  You strapping on pads and picking it up wouldn't change the world around you.

  • doortoinsanity said on May 25, 2009....
    What is society but a group of people who take "normal
     from what everyone else is doing.  I'm just saying, you are letting what people think about your subject influence your actions.  Therefore, societies social norms are limiting you.  You lose.  Not society. 
  • SeanRenaud said on May 25, 2009....
    If you go against society you lose only faster because you isolate yourself from the norm.
  • doortoinsanity said on Jun 01, 2009....
    I'm not scared. 
    I loved the title, that's why I read it, and it is a valid question.  I am married.  My best friends are men.  Always have been.  I find them less complicated.  (not in a bad way) It is true that not all people are like this.  I have had guy friends tell me they couldn't hang out with me anymore for that reason after a certain point.  Good point.     

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