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This post was inspired by Ed, a 'famous' but never 'infamous' blogger here.  He was writing first about a Christian retreat, that he really didn't want to attend, but did so, mostly to appease someone in his life.  While he was there, he suffered a set of bizarre medical symptoms which required him to leave the retreat and be taken to the hospital.  It was a medical emergency that he then blogged about, separately. 
 
When Ed used the word "sign" to describe what he believed that medical emergency was not, it made me think: Exactly what is it, that the secular world thinks about Christians when we say that we believe in "signs, wonders, and miracles"?  So, I have decided to write about it, right here in this blog.
 
I want to start our discussion with a quote from Ed's second blog; the one about the medical symptoms he experienced, while attending the Christian retreat. 
 
"about the frustation: yeah, i suppose that must seem strange. i don't know how to explain it, beyond saying that my body generally obeys me, so when it betrays me as it did then, that's immensely frustrating. i think it's the idea of being betrayed by your own body that made me so angry."

ed
 
Keeping in mind that Ed was not the only person saying (in his blog) that they felt as if they had been betrayed by their own body.  That, really, is the essence of disease and healing, for many Christians.  We were created in God's image, and we are "fearfully and wonderfully made" (139th Psalm).   So, why do we have disease?  Isn't that merely our body betraying us, refusing to obey us?  Or is it obeying us, on a deeper level?  It could be either, or both according to the Bible. 
 
Do we want disease?  I don't think so.  Does it often serve a purpose?  Yes, unfortunately, I believe it does.  It did for me anyway.  I wouldn't slow down.  I refused to take care of myself anymore, not because I wanted to die; I was just too busy to notice that I was failing myself, and ultimately, my family, by not taking care of myself like I used to.  Life was too busy, there too much to do, too much responsibility, and I had been through too much personal pain.  I got sick.
 
Was it a supernatural experience or a "sign"?  No, unless you mean a sign as an indicator that I needed to slow down and take care of myself again, so that I could continue taking care of others, our business, our family , our marriage, etc.  I go through periods of better health and lesser health, and in that way, I guess you could call my health (good or bad) a sign, or a signal, directing me in what I need to do, or stop doing.  That is natural, not supernatural.
 
I do not think that is the kind of "sign" secular people think of when they say, as Ed did, that 'it wasn't a sign'.   I think it has more to do with their skepticism about the phrase, "signs, wonders and miracles".  So, what do we Christians mean, about signs, wonders and miracles?  What do all of us "mean" when we say, or hear, signs, wonders and miracles?
 
Have any of you seen any signs, wonders or miracles?  Go ahead and share, and don't be afraid of secular folks...I have found Ed to be the leader of that pack in soulcast, and he is, most often, thoughtful and  a gentleman. ; )
 
So, Christian or not...pray tell...what have you seen, that got your attention, and that you could not exactly explain?  Or, if it did have a natural explanation, did you sense that there was more to the story?  I will do like Miss (polar) Heart did on her blog, and post, after you all have had a chance to share. 
 
Remember, I had a few radio shows, and one was a popular "call in" show, with lots of calls about UFO's.  We didn't plan it that way, we just happened to be on a radio station that was near a rather famous sighting.  We found that out just a few weeks into the show.
 
What I mean is, you cannot shock me, at least, I don't think you can ; )
 
Disclaimer: 
Anyone that really believes that there is absolutely nothing that has ever happened in their own lives, that they themselves, personally, cannot explain, need not post here! 
 
; )
 
 


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  • PastorJ4Christ said on Feb 28, 2007....
    Truth,
    Remember what the prophet Joel said would happen just prior to the return of Christ. We are quite obviously begining to see the fruition of his, and the other prophet's, visions.
    As for me, I have experienced way too much to dismiss the reality of "signs, wonders, and miracles" Probably the scariest was two very real encounters with demons, both proved to be portents of major life changes in my life. I am a firm believer that both sides are quickening their barrage of the supernatural. The devil wants to sow fear and doubt, while our Father is showing us that He is our Sovereign God.
    Truth, I had a dream right after I got married in August, 2005. In my dream, I arrived at a funeral house, and when I found someone I knew, I asked where the deceased was. They pointed me in the direction and I walked through a set of double doors. I asked the few people, including the husband of the deceased to leave the room. When I approached the casket, l looked down at the person and took her hand in mine and commanded, in the name of Jesus Christ, to rise up and get out of the casket. Immediately, her body raised up, and I helped her out of the casket. As soon as she began to walk, I noticed the doors of the room open and the crowd rushed in,,,many crying and shouting in shock. When I realized that she was walking, I fell to my knees and just began to praise the Lord. then I awoke.
    What really is interesting about this dream is that this woman proved to be my chief nemisis in dividing my wife and I. Sort of uncanny, but I believe that God showed me something very prophetic that night. Anyway,,,,,
    thank you so much for your feed back on my posts. I pray for you, also my friend!
    Jason
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 28, 2007....
    truthsayer, i'm not the leader of that--or indeed, any pack--at SC. i'm just a man muddling through things as best i can.

    i do want to comment however to see what folks have to say--as you know, truthsayer, the matter of faith does interest me.

    ed
  • truthsayer said on Feb 28, 2007....
    PastorJ4Christ:
     
    Great post.  So often we view our dreams in worldly language, and forget that it is God's personal language with us.  It is so powerful, in fact, that it warrants a separate post of its own. 
     
    I what way was that woman a nemisis in dividing you and your wife; if I may ask?  Because that is a very powerful metaphor in your dream language, to have ended up being a negative force in your life.  I would look into that one a bit more, especially because it is still vivid to you. 
     
    I find that often my dreams are for others benefit.  Especially if I keep having the image reoccur to me, and although it is vivid, it doesn't seem to have a lot of meaning to me.  I have finally learned to share the dream with my SO, and almost every single time ( I cannot presently think of a time that it has not been so) the interpretation or guidance is for my spouse.
     
    Thanks for posting.  I do wish more people would comment on your blogs.  It must scare them to speak plainly about God; that is the only thing I can figure.  Because you are always loving and kind on your posts.  Perhaps it is because I comment on them, that "they" do not...I hope not : (
     
    I particularly enjoyed your last post, as I have been seeing the same thing.  I will try to comment today.  I am really in a rush today for some reason.  I cannot believe it is already after 2:30PM CST. 
     
    God Bless,
     
    truthsayer
  • truthsayer said on Feb 28, 2007....
    Dear Ed:
     
    Please read my comment to you on the 'Forgive' blog, will you?  I did my best to respond to you, and explain a few things about me.  I appreciate your comments about my writing, and you may have inspired another online 'medium' exploration, to suit some expanding needs we see.  It relates to your post about the "sermon".
     
    You might be surprised at the ways, and the people through whom God speaks to me.
     
    Thanks for your input,
     
    truthsayer
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 01, 2007....
    thank you, truthsayer. i did see that and will respond shortly.

    ed
  • truthsayer said on Mar 05, 2007....

    To PastorJ4Christ, silverwhisper, and anyone else that might "stop by" here:

    I will leave this post up to highlight that "we" Christians do not know who we are, or what "we" are capable of.  We are more hypnotized with worldly phenomena, than we are with the phenomena of the workings of the Holy Spirit in our lives, and in this world.  Our discernment is virtually nonexistent.  Our openness is virtually nonexistent, as well.  Take us from experiencing an unusual occurence, to an interpretation of it, and we are lost; as lost as the lost.

    The only one that was forthcoming in this blog, was Jason, PastorJ4Christ.  The rest of the professing Christians, remained safely silent.  But I shouldn't be surprised, Jesus said that you read the signs of the weather and the seasons, but you do not know the signs of the times of God.  It is true.  I should not have been surprised.  PastorJ4Christ has been posting on the signs listed in the Bible, that tell us where we are spiritually, but only a few people read his posts.  They just can't "relate", or even notice. 

    Christians have a duty to support other Christians; did you know that?  If we do not love the brethren, we do not have the Love of Christ in us.  We know that the judgement of God started soon after the death and resurrection of Jesus, and it started with the Church, with the Believers.  The Word says that if we who are saved, are barely saved, what then shall happen to those that do not heed the Word of God or recognize His Son?

    What kind of example are we, to them?  I am concerned brothers and sisters, very concerned.  silverwhisper seems more interested in the Bible, and the words and works of Jesus, than most Christians here seem to be.  Or maybe I have misunderstood those whom I believed to be Christians. 

    I will write more on this topic, but in a different blog.  I will write about signs, wonders and miracles...even if PastorJ4Christ is the only one that will comment.  I will explain, as best I can, what this means to us as Believers, and as humans, at this time, on this planet.  It will not be philosophy, but it will be the Truth.

    Thanks to Jason, and silverwhisper; you two taught me something here, or maybe, you confirmed some things that I had suspected, but didn't really want to know.  Too late, now I know, and now, I am accountable.

    Blessings,

    truthsayer

     

  • RollingC said on Mar 06, 2007....
    What's a portents?
    Forgive my slowness in commenting before (and future) but please don't erase this ahhh blog? or post? ....It's late at night and I want to come back and possibly discuss some more the topic amongst other things spiritually related. It may take me a couple of days to reply correctly due to work, commitment and worry schedule...but I do want to come back and I much suspect some heavy in-depth discussions will soon follow.
    Love and Peace
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Mar 09, 2007....

    No rush RollingC.  I only get on here every few days myself.  I think it has been three days since I posted.  All of us have real lives that demand our attention.  I was particularly disgusted the day that I wrote the last comment in here.  I see alot of professing Christians, that do not protect their witness.  I don't mean by keeping their secrets better...I mean by living an empowered life, believing the truth, that the Holy Spirit is at work in them so that they CAN (and must) live the life Jesus says they can.  We will do all that He did, and more... 

    I will leave this post up, and you can feel free to comment whenever you want to.  I check all of my blog entries; including the first one.  I am going to write other posts on these topics as well.  It is too important.  How we present and represent Christ is all important.  How well developed we are, or undeveloped, is our responsibility too.  He told us to count the cost, and most people have not done that. 

    I look forward to some heavy and in-depth discussions.  Take a load off of your "worry schedule" though...remember, it cannot change a hair on your head ; )

    PORTENT:  n. 1. something that foreshadows a coming event :  OMEN  2. : MARVEL, PRODIGY.

    PORTEND: n. vb. 1. to give a sign or warning of beforehand 2. : INDICATE, SIGNIFY syn augur (augur is not useful for Christians, it means diviner or soothsayer, and we do not need or do that), prognosticate, fortell, predict, forecast, prophesy

    truthsayer

  • RollingC said on Mar 09, 2007....
    Thanks for the translation of ' portend '.
    When I was having my experiences with the Lord...an elderly priest that I went to talk to basically told me that I was a mystic.... and when he saw the look in my face he said not to worry about it and just to let it happen as it just meant that I look in depth at things. Since there are so many phonies out there I really don't like that word or other similar labels. 
    I'm surprised at the number of blogs about the spiritual  and it's interesting to see ideas and impressions other than my own experience. Agree with them  I may or may not but I'm glad to see it crop up.
    Looking forward to seeing your comments on the other blogs and I have a question that I'd like your opinion on.
     Padre Pio...as he's still known although passed away years ago.... was a monastery priest in Italy from the early part of last century to the '70s or so.   Maybe '60s.  He was blessed with the wounds of Our Lord and it's a documented fact that's been watched by the authorities of the church with great skepticism at first and had different doctors attend him....releasing very few of the photos taken but it's a documented fact. After his death (and having done a number of things that people consider miracles before his death) the wounds of his hands completely disappeared like they never happened. The others also.
    My question is this...concerning the wounds on his hands where the nails should've gone through Our Lord's hands into the cross. By nature of the physical world we live in the wounds had to be done in the wrist area in order to support the body weight without tearing loose from the flesh...but the wounds on Padre Pio were on the palms of his hands not the wrist area and those were plainly visible while he was alive and completely disappeared after his death.
    How could that be? or is it that since the public belief (as is depicted on millions of Catholic crosses worldwide) influenced this in some way? I hate to be nitpicking but that and other small detail things (that escape me right now) have always remained unanswered and undiscussed. 
    There are other things more important than this I'm sure and root level belief in God is a much more an important issue.





  • truthsayer said on Mar 10, 2007....

    Dear RollingC:

    I really don't know much about stigmatics.  From what I have read, or seen on TV

    : (  which is not a very reliable source...it happens both ways, wrist and/or hand, and has more to do with the person's passionate belief in Christ...not where the wounds were.  I am not Catholic, and I don't know much catholicism, or the process of becoming a "saint".  I had the greatest respect for Pope John Paul and all that he did for Christians everywhere.  He publicly repented for the crusades, to native and indigenous people, to Jews, and many other people groups, on behalf of the Catholic church and all Christians.  He was an amazing and completely uncommon man of God.

    I know that in my early searches into the supernatural, I found at least one priest that was leading many astray and into the paranormal and other non-christian doctrines and dogmas, but he has since been dealt with by the Catholic church. 

    I also found priests that would talk to me about some of my experiences and my SO's experiences, where other denominations were either uninterested, or they would have assumed that the experiences were not real, imagined, or evil in nature.

    So, although I am not a Catholic, I have great respect for them.  I loved The Passion of Christ, and it renewed my interest in the church in general...as the history of "first church", etc.

    I just read a bit about Padre Pio, and I am sure they would not have cannonized him, if they felt that the miracles were not true miracles.  If this doesn't answer your question, I will look into it more. 

    Feel free to post any questions here.  I will not say that I know something, if I do not.  

    God Speed,

    truthsayer 

  • RollingC said on Mar 10, 2007....
    Thank you for your response truth.  I've heard about miracles all my life as the Catholic church has a long history of Saints and miracles but it wasn't until the private miracle that I had that I came back to the Church again.
    Peace
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Mar 11, 2007....

    Have you shared elsewhere?  I seem to remember you sharing it somewhere, perhaps even in one of my own blogs.  If you haven't shared it, please consider sharing it here, will you?

    I will look for it in my blog and yours.  If you have a link to the story, please post it here.

    God Bless,

    truthsayer

     

  • RollingC said on Mar 11, 2007....
    go here  I posted this in your other blog.... read some of my blogs...some are nonsense but the others are my experiences with the supernatural/paranormal and they are all true.  I was told by an elderly priest that I went to at the beginning of these occurrences that I was a mystic and when he saw the look of horror on my face he said not to worry about it and just let it happen.  I associate that word and others like it with the phonies that are out commercializing the wonderful gifts that God gave some of us....but I'm no one special and if I have that then you do too.
    Peace
    Rc.
  • truthsayer said on Mar 12, 2007....

    I do RollingC.  I have had so many experiences, that I doubt anyone (except my little family, and a few real-life-friends) would believe them.  I don't cast my pearls before swine...meaning, I use the Lord's discernment regarding when and where, or if, I share them. 

    The enemy tries to communicate with us too.  You obviously have a gift, as do many.  What you do not want is a familiar spirit.  Like the Bible says, test the spirits.  Don't just accept all spiritual experiences as being Holy Spirit inspired.  Reject all communication that is not from the Holy Spirit, the Heavenly Host of the Almighty, etc...and ask Jesus to be your discernment.  He is the Way, the Truth and the Life....all other ways are lead to being lost, deceived and spiritually dead.  You must learn to use this gift for God's purposes only.  No psychic/new age stuff, you know?  Gifts and a calling come without repentence....so, repentence is our responsibility...and so is the use of that gift for visions, dreams, interpretations, etc...to use them for your own growth, primarily, to get closer to God, and to glorify God.  We cannot risk glorifying anything false.

    I had a warning experience, much like the experience you had the day your father died.  I have experienced that "voice" that comes like data in your head.  I have experienced it other times too, but the time I refer to really got my attention because it was information that was just sort of suddenly, there.  I suspect that since the communication was in Spanish, you feel that it was your father.  Do you still think that it was his "voice"?  Are you from Paraguay also?  Do you know for sure that he killed himself? 

    Anyway, I am glad that you came back to the church.  In this way, your father may have had a few moments to repent and also, to warn you in some way, or more, to let you know that in the end, he knew that suicide was not the end of trouble, but the beginning of troubles.  Perhaps he was taking responsibility, in a way, for knowing that his permanent solution, to his temporary problems, was short sighted at best...and that he knew that you all were left to deal with the loss, and with all your questions, alone. 

    Do you have peace with his death now?  Being a Catholic, did it help you to hear that communication about the suicide (the gun) and the warning, 'now the blows begin'?

    Thanks for the links.  I will read about more of your experiences, and post comments, if you want me to, and when appropriate. 

    God Speed,

    truthsayer

    btw, I use to be into and around the new age, metaphysical stuff.  I tried to ask questions of other believers, and in my church because of all my supernatural and paranormal experiences...and found their answers wonting, if they would answer at all.  If I can help you find answers, I will.  I have been around it all, and done more than I ever should have done.  I didn't need it.  I didn't need the cards, the charts, the numbers, the crystals or any other trappings that they needed.  All I ever needed was My God, My Jesus, and their Holy Spirit.  I found that most of "them" wanted what I had, and not the reverse...truth

     

  • RollingC said on Mar 12, 2007....
    Thanks for your kind comments. Hope you read my other blogs about my experiences and the different comments also.
    Yes my dad killed himself and with the same gun that I saw.  The voice was in Spanish and it was a man's voice. To make a long story short dad was suffering from deep depressions and was facing a future in a wheelchair as his legs and sense of balance were going. Being a self-reliant and proud man, he chose that way out as he thought wheelchair living was not worth living for and there were other problems too but I think the depressions actually killed him.  And I find the whole thing perplexing.

    I can trace by memory my experiences back to a deal I made with God at an early age.  This is something I've shared only with my wife as you said that you don't cast pearls before swine and I've gotten tired of the blank looks that I get when I talk about this with other people although I feel it's my duty to do so when asked and if they don't believe then it's their problem not mine.

    I'm Cuban born and raised in Havana-Cuba...New York, Puerto Rico, Montevideo-Uruguay, Miami, and I lived for awhile working for my dad in Asunción-Paraguay.   So I've been to different High Schools all over and I guess bonded with the American dream in New York. We went there after leaving Cuba because of Castro and almost lost my Spanish  while up there but picked it up again living in the Spanish speaking areas.
    Peace
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Mar 12, 2007....

    Do you mean that you don't usually tell people that you are Cuban born, and all the places you have lived?  Or that you can 'trace your memory experiences back to a deal' you 'made with God at an early age'?  It occurs to me that as we speak of these things, others can read, and do with it, what they want.  But if you are uncomfortable sharing the experience you mention in here, I understand. 

    Depression does kill, that's for sure.  I think it carries with it, a spirit of death.  Perhaps it is the spirit of death that causes the depression.  It is sad alright.  My sister's best friend committed suicide when they were 15.  She did it right in front of her.  I know that our family wondered, sometimes, as her life was forever changed from that experience, if they might have had some type of suicide pact, that she didn't go through with.  I am glad that she didn't go through with it, if they did have a pact.  The Catholic family blamed my sister.  They couldn't accept suicide, because it was such a stigma back then.

    I had three other friends kill themselves.  The first was in the 8th grade, and he ran out in front of cars on the interstate...playing chicken.  They didn't call that one suicide, but it felt like he killed himself.  He used to do it all the time, and depression was sort of a way of life for that kid.

    The second was not a close friend, but always around the same good mutual friends.  He came from a wealthy family, but got caught up in drugs and he was totally depressed all the time.  Very nice, but very depressed.

    The third guy I had known since the third or fourth grade.  He was, and still is, the hardest for me to deal with.  He was a nuclear engineer, very nice, very responsible and successful.  He didn't date much.  He was small boned with blond hair, pale, freckles and a slight overbite.  Nice looking, but towards the "cute" end, rather than handsome.  He struggled with depression, and feeling sorry for himself, but was always smiling.  I think, looking back on it, I think that was what I should have noticed...the always smiling thing. 

    He got into cocaine and I had long since moved away.  He got into it heavily, a definite addict; but I still think it was the depression that killed him too.   I have prayed that he, and the others too, really, had time to repent.  I know God is merciful, and I hope to see them in heaven, but it is a shameful thing to waste one's own life, and hurt so many in the process...none of us should leave a minute too soon, you know? 

    If you feel like sharing the deal you made with God, if that is the one you mentioned.  You know I wasn't including you, in the "swine" reference.  Just mockers.  I don't think things like this are discussed enough, and we carry questions and also, wonderful compelling experiences, that should be shared...

    I do know those "blank looks though"! ; )

    truth 

  • RollingC said on Mar 12, 2007....
    I'll sit down and write it out properly then paste it to share with you. I was very young then and mom was taking me to church (I think doing a novena of thanks?) for several days in a row. She taught me how to pray and it's an experience that only believers will understand.
    I'll try tonight after work....
  • RollingC said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Truth...I'm too sleepy to write anything yet (I just got in) and it's the wee hours of the morning so I'd like to post a link to another experience that I had and feel free to comment on them as you will.... here .... This, the feeling that I got that day, is what awaits us at the end of our journey towards God. It's my firm belief.
  • RollingC said on Mar 13, 2007....
    Now you got me on a roll.... Here's another... and this one is truly amazing...
    Peace be with you...
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Mar 17, 2007....

    I read and commented on both of them.  Thank you for posting the links here.  I enjoyed them very much.  You should pray for people, you may have a prayer ministry...a healing ministry.  Have you ever considered that?

    truth

  • RollingC said on Mar 19, 2007....
    No frankly I never have but it's something that I'll look into myself for that. It seems that every time I try to get involved with the church or one of the ministries (?) obstacles start to spring up. Makes me wonder......
  • truthsayer said on Mar 19, 2007....

    Absolutely!  The enemy is still active, eventhough we have authority.  What is insidious is the form the attacks and distractions can take...sometimes apparent, sometimes harder to detect and discern, you know?  Or through whom they come...that can be a hard one.  Sometimes we don't get to know the whole story, just keep speaking His Word and Promises...pressing on toward the victory.

    I loved your stories though; thanks again for sharing them.

    truthsayer 

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