Hi silver...never thought about a sermon. It just came out of trying to explain forgiveness. It is easier to show people, by your life's example, than it is to explain in mere words. That's the rub on the "net"....you only have words.
truth
mommyof2...it isn't that hard. That is what throws people. It is simple, and it calls us to actually start "doing it"....You are already a forgiving person, I can tell. Look at your current relationships. Even if you feel hurt or angry, you don't hold on to it...I have seen you forgive, right here online. That's it. Start with yourself first. Forgive yourself when things come to mind that you are tempted to hold onto...if you have beat yourself up for it before, now, it's time to forgive yourself...everytime you can.
And pretty soon...that "easy button" is much more available, even for forgiving...
This wasn't meant to be a sermon mommyof2, it just came rolling out, as I wrote about forgiveness...to you.
Love,
truthsayer
Faithful and Alyss:
I love the way this understanding is growing in here. It is sure to help someone that just feels so far away from forgiveness, and don't know where to begin...
A heartfelt thank you to all of you that have contributed. I am so grateful; this ministry often seems too big for me...then I realize, once again, that it it not mine, it is His, and ours.
One layer, one blog, one comment, one heart at a time...the onion is peeled, and healing occurs.
KEEP IT COMING...and thanks too all...
Yes, that is true melodii. Every "community" is within another community. And, like I always say, everything matters.
Thank you for stopping into my blog. Are you new, or am I too new to have seen you yet? lol
truthsayer
Dear ed,
Would it surprise you to know, that I am often a puzzlement in most churches, and my involvement with them can seem to usher in a lot of conviction and changes, that they rarely welcome? I am certain that there are churches out there that would welcome me, perhaps even to speak there, but, I am not holding my breath, for a place at the pulpit...unless the Lord makes a way.
The Lord has prepared a pathway for me, and so far, it has been through my writing (even when I wrote for COX online news service), salons in bookstores, radio shows, and now, a book and blogging. I am more than a little unusual by typical, or normative church standards.
Where would I preach? But, I thank you for what I believe is, a heartfelt comment. Perhaps that is why I have been on the internet, with just such writings, on and off since 1994. I once received (a year after I had written to someone in what I thought was a private forum) one of my own commentaries from a friend in one of the Nordic countries. They said that it had been sent all over the world from an online forum called Healing Circle.
I couldn't believe the bottom of the email, listing all the places it had been. It was a real eye opener, about the positive power of the web. It was about a year after I had written a series on how one gets to know God, and they said that it was being used in other online discussion groups all over the world. I felt scared that it was "all out there", but honored that it was helping people.
In a church, you can affect, or help, hopefully, maybe a few hundred people. How many of those people are just taking up space, and "showing up" and how many of them are willing to really take up their cross and follow Him? How many are grateful for His Grace, and yet willing to search their own hearts, ask God to search them, and in fact, judge themselves, so that God does not have to?
Sometimes, perhaps even more often than not, I find that the best True Believers and True Followers of Christ are to be found missing from the churches of today. I believe that those that are not mesmerized by the human constructs of religion are the ones that will be able to seek, learn and understand walking in the Kingdom and living it, right here... I do not avoid churches. I love churches. I just seem to bring a lot of change and accountability and risk, that some are not eager to embrace.
Can you understand that, at all?
truthsayer
Miss Heart:
No problem. I just saw part of the relics from your "discussion" (cough, cough) with Pete. You handled it with grace, and you stood your ground: A double victory. Celebrate!
now...truthsayer breaks off another bit of that chocolate bar and hands it to Miss Heart, with a cool glass of fresh milk...enjoy kiddo ; )
truth
To FaithfulDisciple
I am concerned that some may have missed, or not felt the depth of what you said here:
Even the simple act of forgiveness requires some sort of divine understanding on the forgiver which is already in itself the start of the internal healing process. There is no healing where there is no forgiveness.
I hope that others understand what FD said here. In the act of forgiving, one has already had an interaction with the Divine. They may claim not to know God, but in the act of forgiving, they have communed with Him. All LOVE is based on this. Without forgiveness, there is no love. Without forgiveness there is no healing.
How can one heal oneself? Your own body is a metaphor for understanding your Creator. You cut yourself, intentionally, or accidentally, or from someone's attack: and the healing process begins as soon as the wounding occurs. You didn't initiate the healing. Your attacker didn't initiate it. Your mother and father didn't initiate it, and the doctor didn't initiate it. You were designed to heal. You were not designed to be attacked, or have accidents, or hurt yourself; these things happen, but they are not by design of your Creator. He designed you to heal.
If we refuse to forgive, ourselves or others, we still keep healing, but we choose to pick at the scabs, so to speak. See, if we pick, we bleed too. Miraculously, or naturally, but, definitely by design, your body continues the healing process. It requires an act of will, or willfulness, to keep those wounds open. That is just what the devil wants. To keep you picking, resenting, hating, and holding grudges...in short, playing God takes far more energy than forgiving, and leaving the vengeance to Him. Just as it takes far more faith to believe in evolution than creation, it takes far more will to remain unforgiving, than to surrender to love, forgiveness and charity.
It does not excuse the act of the perpetrator, it frees you from his/her bonds. Why would you want to serve their master?
Thanks FaithfulDisciple, and all who have thoughtfully commented. This subject is huge, and I appreciate all of your help.
truthsayer
Hi RollingC, long time no c ; )
I am glad that you stopped in to this blog, check out the next one too, please. Although I know that you are "into" some of the paranormal, or new age type things; I think I read that you said you have 'returned to the church', right?
How do you discern between experiences: What is God communicating with, or to you, and what is evil, in your estimation?
Maybe you can help me here. Let me know when you come back and read over the blog and comments. I suspect that there will be far more posts about "paranormal" type of experiences, like beyondtheveil's post on the subject, than there will be people attributing any of their experiences to communication from God...but, I could be wrong ; )
Keep in touch,
truthsayer
If anyone is intereted, a scripture came to me to help with this:
Phillipians 3:13
It is about moving on, and not letting your past lead you.
truth
Hi Truth... I'm coming late as usual. I agree with much of what you said, and I would add that, in order for forgiveness to really have the healing effects that you spoke of, it has to more of an internal job than an external. Depending on the circumstances, it is not always necessary to communicate our forgiveness to the person or entity that we are forgiving. In fact, doing so can sometimes cause more harm than good. There's a sticky situation that comes up with communicating forgiveness. Because in the mere act of communicating forgiveness, there seems to be implied some sense of superiority on the part of the forgiver. Especially when the person who is being forgiven doesn't believe that they have done anything which needs to be forgiven. Even when someone is asking for forgiveness, I feel uncomfortable with that, because, I think.. who am I to forgive or not forgive. If you feel like you have done something wrong, then forgive yourself, and let me deal with my feelings in my own time and in my own way. If I choose to forgive you, that action says more about me than about you. You don't need my absolution. I suppose there are cases where it is beneficial to a relationship to communicate one's forgiveness. But in those cases, it has to be done with a healthy dose of humility.
Hi Rollingc:
I am sorry that your step daughter is going through this season, and sorry that it has affected you both so. Sometimes it is necessary for a chick to leave the nest, and for everyone to have a change of scenery.
I can relate to your wife's interests. We once had a newspaper, a 'new age' newspaper, that was "primarily Christian" ; ) So I am well familiar with the things we tell ourselves as we try to make it all "fit". Unfortunately, it does not. Hopefully, she will figure that out. I would highly recommend getting Stormie O'Martian's books on Power of the Praying Husband: The book, and the little prayer book. I guarantee you will be amazed at the signs, wonders and miracles that you, as a man, will experience from learing how to pray for your wife.
I would like to post part of your response on my "signs, spiritual phenomena and who we are" blog, if you do not mind, because I really appreciate your honesty when you say:
Truth.....I still need some time to get my thoughts together on evil as it gets twisted every which way the devil can get it to go. And God speaks every single day to everyone of us....the more worries and noise you have in your life will get in the way of " hearing " God's soft voice. Many times He doesn't speak with words, only emotions and sometimes visions and " things " that happen. He's there and when you " feel " His presence about you it's indescribable as you realize that you'd put up with any suffering this world can give in order to feel that forever.
If you do not mind. Few people responded to that post, and I hate to have unbelievers, think that we Christians do not have these experiences, and for them to know that we have to discern things, and test the spirits, all the time.
But to your comments on forgiveness:
I agree with you Kruuyai that forgiveness comes from within and it's not always necessary to communicate that. I personally have a situation with my brother and sister where I don't communicate at all with them and have actually thought of them as not family anymore. Had to do with my mom before she died and taking care of her and the inheritance she left me. She gave me most of it and my marriage happened just before the legal battles began. I gave up my rights to good portions of the inheritance (not talking millions or anything like that) to get some peace and quiet for myself and family. At any rate I've forgiven them in my heart but don't care to see them anymore.
I agree with you and kruuyai on whether or not you must personally, ask for forgiveness, or "give it".
You have no idea how similar your family experiences are to my own family experiences; right down to the inheritance and letting it go, in order to have peace, and place relationships above mammon. It was a bizarre three years of my life, and a huge eye-opener about who I was raised with, and who really raised me, as opposed to who raised my sibs.
You also said: I've decided to eliminate phonies from my life even if it means family members.
Amen. But still, I pray for them to wake up. Not as often as I used to, but I do pray that they will come to know Him and live for Him. So, that makes two of us (at least ; ) that can highly recommend forgiveness, for yourself, for others and as a way of life.
Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully, and I will sat a prayer for you, your wife and her daughter.
Peace be with you,
truthsayer
kruuyai said, "it has to be done with a healthy dose of humility." Yes, it does, always. Humility is the basis of forgiveness, both giving and receiving.
I also agree that it is usually more of an internal, than an external thing. I had to ask my father's forgiveness, because it was the key to softening his hardened heart. But I could not do it, unless I was operating in humility, and I was shocked that the Lord would ask that of me, initially.
I would not have gone to my father to offer my forgiveness though. That was an internal thing, for me, between me and the Lord. It did come up though, in my conversation with my dad. He was glad that I forgave him. I didn't forget the wrongs, but I didn't have the "energy" as you describe in your post on your 'sister in flight'.
In cases of abuse, I doubt that going to that nonrepentant person to offer one's forgiveness, would have much impact on them; and it could, as you say, be dangerous to the abused one offering it.
I read where you said that you are uncomfortable with others asking you to forgive them, but it doesn't have to be immediate. Besides, I just read your story about your 'sister in flight' and I read where you said that her forgiveness means the world to you. It means so much to all of us, to give and to receive forgiveness, you were right to ask her, and she was right to forgive you. Even if it had taken her a while, it would have been just as sweet, wouldn't it?
truthsayer
Dear silverwhisper:
I am so glad to hear that you have people surrounding you with love and prayer ; )
I checked out that BibleGateway website and had some fun on it, looking up all the different versions of the same verse. I have used it online before too. I have a website I should share with you, but I don't have it right now. I have to look it up, but it is called E-Sword, and the software is downloadable and free too. It has all of the Strong's Concordance references for each word, like the Old and New Testament that I use here at home. I thought you might like to look up the original words and their meaning, from time to time.
We are looking into an online ministry right now. Thanks so much for your comments and encouragement. Funny that you are not a Believer, and yet, I find encouragement in your words. God is a funny Guy, and a Good Judge of our hearts too. He has often used nonbelievers to speak to me about a thing. It is a pleasant mystery to me. Thanks for sharing.
I understand you are some kind of a computer whiz. Maybe we will ask for your help ; ) As for the recording idea; I prefer the interaction. One of my radio shows was an hour, and although it was an interview show, with some call ins, there wasn't time for much interaction with the listeners. The other radio show was a four hour magazine format show, with call ins. There was more time to really get into a subject, and hear from the interviewees, and the listeners too. It was much more satisfying.
Anyway, we are looking into it...thanks again : )
truthsayer
Here is a link to free Bible study software for Windows. You can look up any word or phrase and find it wherever it is in the Bible. So, if you are looking for information about, say, lust, you can type that word into the search (the icon looks like little binoculars), and it will find every single entry in the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, for the word "lust".
I usually keep it open when I am writing, studying, or searching for clarity on any topic. Enter the word, LOVE, and see how many times God mentions that word, and how it is used. Truth, wisdom, sin...find out how many things are actually idolatry, pagan, etc. You would be surprised at how many things we do now, as a society, that are actually idolatrous or pagan, and we just don't use those words anymore.
It is especially for forgiveness. Just remember to use all forms of the word, to find every verse. Also, if you are looking for a specific verse in the Bible...say, one that you have remembered since childhood, maybe Sunday school; you enter whatever words you clearly remember, and no more than you are certain of. There are many different forms of the Bible, and that is where the Bible Gateway website is particularly useful.
Blessings and welcome to LadyGamer, Alyss, and again, to silverwhisper, RollingC and kruuyai.
I look forward to your discussions.
truthsayer
You are quite welcome. I have been on here for all of 20 minutes in the past four days. Seems I have some catching up to do. See you "out there".
truth
Hi Polarheart. I just finished another blog and I am now following up on my other blogs, comments, etc.
Thanks for the hug-tag from across the seas...~~~~~~truthsayer waves back, across the waves~~~~~~at Miss Heart.
Take care, and be good.
truth