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How do we learn to forgive?  What does it mean, and therefore, what does it take, to truly forgive another?  It is often discussed and yet, all too often, misunderstood.  It is a liberating experience, and a necessary skill to master, before it's too late. 
 
I don't mean that it's ever too late to forgive, just that resentment, blame and anger can manifest in our lives, in ways that none of us would consciously choose, if we were in our right minds.  But if we live, everyday, with unforgiveness, blame and hardness of heart; can we ever really be in our "right minds"? 
 
Modern physics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed.  If that energy doesn't come out of us in the form of mental illness, like depression, mania, anxiety, etc; what other form can our inflamation or festering feelings reveal themselves?  Arthritis?  Cancer?  How about abuse?  Impatience?  Or can it be an abiding, deep,  unnamed saddness, grief or feeling of  mourning?
 
I suppose it is different for everyone, but it is worthy of some examination.  I want to write the definition for forgive, here, and then some of the synonyms.  Please indulge me; it often helps to take things apart and examine them, before putting them back together to conclude a thing.
 
My Webster's New World Dictionary, Fouth Edition says:
 
FORGIVE 
1. to give up resentment against or the desire to punish; stop being angry with; pardon
2. to give up all claim to punish or exact penalty for (an offense); overlook
3. to cancel or remit (a debt)
 
FORGIVING
1. that forgives; inclined to forgive
2. designed or constructed so as to reduce the impact of mistakes, errors, stress, mishandling, etc. on performance
 
I found that last one, #2, on "forgiving" to be especially interesting.  I often get extra meat from the secondary, less common or archaic definitions of words.
 
What else are we here for other than to forgive ourselves and others?  It was truly designed by God to reduce the impact of our mistakes, errors, stress, mishandling, etc...while we are here.  It is good to forgive, we all know that.  So what makes it so hard?
 
I think clues to what makes it "so hard" can be found in the synonyms for forgive.  Let's take a look.  The synonyms can be found at "absolve".
 
ABSOLVE 
1. to pronounce free from guilt or blame; acquit.
2. a.) to give religious absolution to b.) to remit (a sin)
3. to free (from a duty, promise, etc.)
 
SYN:
ABSOLVE implies a setting free from responsibilities or obligation (absolved from her promise) or from the penalties for their violation
 
ACQUIT means to release from a specific charge by a judicial decision, usually for lack of evidence
 
To EXONERATE is to relieve of the blame for a wrongdoing
 
To PARDON is to release from punishment for an offense (the prisoner was pardoned by the governor)
 
FORGIVE implies giving up all claim that an offense be punished as well as any resentment or vengeful feelings
 
To VINDICATE is to clear (a person or thing under attack) through evidence of the unfairness of the charge, criticism, etc.
 
The antonym is BLAME.
 
So, for our own understanding:  Where does that leave each one of us?  We can only forgive at our own level of understanding.  CW had a post about whether or not she should forgive her mother-in-law, when she offered a blanket apology.  Was accepting that apology about CW?  Her mother-in-law?  Both of them?
 
Personally, I know only one tiny percentage of what I have truly been forgiven, through the blood of Jesus.  I am sure that if it hadn't been for him, I would be in HUGE, and everlasting trouble.  I have never hid my faith from any of you.  But here's my point, I know that I first had to repent, and ask to be forgiven, which means, I knew that I was guilty of all sorts of sins. 
 
I had broken most of the Ten Commandments, in thought, word or deed, at one time or another.  I had greater feelings of despair and self blame than a problem with blaming others...but both were equal sins in God's eyes.  I was excessively self reliant.  It was a part of my recovery that eventually, got in my way.  I had outgrown the need for it.  Sometimes it is a person's anger that has helped them to survive, and then, ultimately, it becomes a destructive force in their own lives, and unfortunately, in the lives of those they love.
 
But how should I explain forgiveness to someone that has been raped, incested, molested, used, abused, betrayed, or worse?  How can I explain it, and convey the truth of it's deepest, life saving and totally liberating meaning, in a way that they can apply it in their own lives; whether they have yet accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, or not?
 
I can say this.  There is as much to learn about forgiveness, and learning to forgive, as there are stars in the sky.  There are so many lives cut short, whether in the natural, or in the spiritual.  There are so many ways to make mistakes, commit evil, and sometimes, do irrepairable damage, that it just makes sense to be as compassionate and "forgiving" as we possibly can be...from now on.  It makes sense to forgive as much as we can, whenever we can, and to learn how to make it a way of life. 
 
Maybe you cannot forgive that man, that woman, your father, your mother, or God forbid, even yourself, yet...maybe not totally, but can you start today, right now, and forgive someone, as much as you can:  Can't you? 
 
I think it usually comes off in layers anyway, like an onion.  In our family, we all had different memories.  I watched my older siblings rip each other, and both of my parents apart, for 18 long years.  Meanwhile, I saw early on, that by the time I was born, they were all very damaged, very hurting units; and it wouldn't do me any good to blame the culprit...there were too many culprits.  Abuse is the gift that keeps on giving, a therapist friend of mine used to say.  Neglect and willful ignorance are right in there too.
 
I suggest that you learn to forgive, one day at a time; instead of waiting until you have it all figured out, and then forgiving it all.  I remind you, that you cannot figure out crazy anyway.  I am convinced, and have said it since I was little that if you put all of my siblings, and both of my parents in room and could interview them separately, and then together...you would swear that you were dealing with five people (six including me) that could not have possibly come from the same family.  Everyone was convinced that they were right.  I just saw hurting, angry, lost people.  I looked to different examples, and I didn't get caught up in blame; but that certainly is what usually happens!  I am no different from my siblings, except that I have GRACE.  I understand mercy.  I also sought the truth in God, not in men/women/the world.
 
I would suggest that you do the same.  Do not look to the world for your answers.  Go directly to God, because you can.  Because you have been forgiven, absolved, acquitted, exonerated, pardoned and vindicated.  If only you will receive it.  Please don't let whatever you have done in your life, even in response or reaction to your violation, betrayal or disappointments; keep you from the freedom you deserve.  Your debt is 'paid in full'!
 
Whenever I realize there is another thing called to mind, that I have held onto, or started to hold onto, that is angry, in blame or resentment...I immediately repent of it, and forgive myself too.  It is a way of life.  Walking with my heavenly Father, my Lord Jesus, and their indwelling Holy Spirit, is a way of life that I would hope for each of you to know one day, until then, start learning to forgive, today
 
Your friend,
 
truthsayer

 



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  • mom said on Feb 23, 2007....
    So much of forgiveness to others is for ourselves.  As you have said, it can cause all kinds of health problems.
    Christ led by example always.  He was the king of kings and yet he was born in a stable with animals.  He was our Savior but he was beaten, ridiculed and finally crucified in between 2 thieves.  His life was traded for a murderer, and he took his place on the cross.  He was hated for who he was.  Yet when he hung on the cross, he asked his Father in Heaven to "forgive them for they not what they do."  How many of us could forgive so readily if we were in the same situation?  Even at the peak of his sacrifice he felt love and forgiveness.  I have always found that to be so profound.
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 24, 2007....
    an interesting sermon, truthsayer. if you have not already, please consider seeing if your church permits lay preachers in the pulpit. with a few scriptural citations, i can easily see this being preached: it's well-written, if perhaps a bit short.

    ed
  • mommyof2 said on Feb 24, 2007....
    Oh this must be the hardest thing in life to learn and do....it would be easier if one could push a button and forget......
  • truthsayer said on Feb 24, 2007....
    Hi mom...yes...He is the best of, profound...
  • truthsayer said on Feb 24, 2007....

    Hi silver...never thought about a sermon.  It just came out of trying to explain forgiveness.  It is easier to show people, by your life's example, than it is to explain in mere words.  That's the rub on the "net"....you only have words.

    truth

  • truthsayer said on Feb 24, 2007....

    mommyof2...it isn't that hard.  That is what throws people.  It is simple, and it calls us to actually start "doing it"....You are already a forgiving person, I can tell.  Look at your current relationships.  Even if you feel hurt or angry, you don't hold on to it...I have seen you forgive, right here online.  That's it.  Start with yourself first.  Forgive yourself when things come to mind that you are tempted to hold onto...if you have beat yourself up for it before, now, it's time to forgive yourself...everytime you can.

    And pretty soon...that "easy button" is much more available, even for forgiving...

    This wasn't meant to be a sermon mommyof2, it just came rolling out, as I wrote about forgiveness...to you.

    Love,

    truthsayer

  • FaithfulDisciple said on Feb 24, 2007....
    The true power of forgiveness is in the release of built in and destructive negative emotions such as hate and resentment.  There are more positive benefits to be had in the act of forgiveness than in the retention of hate,  Even the simple act of forgiveness requires some sort of divine understanding on the forgiver which is already in itself the start of the internal healing process.  There is no healing where there is no forgiveness.

    Truthsayer:  This blog is very well written and can be nominated to form part of Silverwhisper's In The Nature Of Series.
  • Alyss said on Feb 24, 2007....
    This was well written and thoughtful.

    I've always considered the process of forgiving to be similar to peeling back the layers of an onion. Each time we examine something anew a little more of the hurt, anger or blame disappears with it...
  • truthsayer said on Feb 24, 2007....

    Faithful and Alyss:

    I love the way this understanding is growing in here.  It is sure to help someone that just feels so far away from forgiveness, and don't know where to begin...

    A heartfelt thank you to all of you that have contributed.  I am so grateful; this ministry often seems too big for me...then I realize, once again, that it it not mine, it is His, and ours.

    One layer, one blog, one comment, one heart at a time...the onion is peeled, and healing occurs.

    KEEP IT COMING...and thanks too all...

  • melodii said on Feb 25, 2007....
    if more of us practice forgiveness, the world would definitely be a better place!
     
    that goes for sc members as well =)
     
     
  • truthsayer said on Feb 25, 2007....

    Yes, that is true melodii.  Every "community" is within another community.  And, like I always say, everything matters. 

    Thank you for stopping into my blog.  Are you new, or am I too new to have seen you yet? lol

    truthsayer 

  • polarheart said on Feb 27, 2007....
    Truth, I printed this and read it, sorry for not coming back to comment.  I agree with you.  I'm going through a bit of heartache at the moment, so please excuse me.
     
    Polar
     
  • mom said on Feb 27, 2007....
    Oh Polar let me hug you.  I am sorry that you are hurting. :(
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 27, 2007....
    truthsayer, i think that this would make a fine sermon. seriously. i urge you to give the matter some thought. i've heard many sermons that started w/ the preacher revealing something of him or her self in this way. add the relevant scriptural citations and i think you've got a sermon here.

    ed
  • truthsayer said on Feb 27, 2007....

    Dear ed,

    Would it surprise you to know, that I am often a puzzlement in most churches, and my involvement with them can seem to usher in a lot of conviction and changes, that they rarely welcome?  I am certain that there are churches out there that would welcome me, perhaps even to speak there, but, I am not holding my breath, for a place at the pulpit...unless the Lord makes a way. 

    The Lord has prepared a pathway for me, and so far, it has been through my writing (even when I wrote for COX online news service), salons in bookstores, radio shows, and now, a book and blogging.  I am more than a little unusual by typical, or normative church standards. 

    Where would I preach?  But, I thank you for what I believe is, a heartfelt comment.  Perhaps that is why I have been on the internet, with just such writings, on and off since 1994.  I once received (a year after I had written to someone in what I thought was a private forum) one of my own commentaries from a friend in one of the Nordic countries. They said that it had been sent all over the world from an online forum called Healing Circle. 

    I couldn't believe the bottom of the email, listing all the places it had been. It was a real eye opener, about the positive power of the web.  It was about a year after I had written a series on how one gets to know God, and they said that it was being used in other online discussion groups all over the world.  I felt scared that it was "all out there", but honored that it was helping people.

    In a church, you can affect, or help, hopefully, maybe a few hundred people.  How many of those people are just taking up space, and "showing up" and how many of them are willing to really take up their cross and follow Him?  How many are grateful for His Grace, and yet willing to search their own hearts, ask God to search them, and in fact, judge themselves, so that God does not have to?

    Sometimes, perhaps even more often than not, I find that the best True Believers and True Followers of Christ are to be found missing from the churches of today.  I believe that those that are not mesmerized by the human constructs of religion are the ones that will be able to seek, learn and understand walking in the Kingdom and living it, right here...  I do not avoid churches.  I love churches.  I just seem to bring a lot of change and accountability and risk, that some are not eager to embrace. 

    Can you understand that, at all?

    truthsayer 

      

  • truthsayer said on Feb 27, 2007....

    Miss Heart:

    No problem.  I just saw part of the relics from your "discussion" (cough, cough) with Pete.  You handled it with grace, and you stood your ground:  A double victory.  Celebrate! 

    now...truthsayer breaks off another bit of that chocolate bar and hands it to Miss Heart, with a cool glass of fresh milk...enjoy kiddo ; )

    truth

  • truthsayer said on Feb 27, 2007....

    To FaithfulDisciple

    I am concerned that some may have missed, or not felt the depth of what you said here:

    Even the simple act of forgiveness requires some sort of divine understanding on the forgiver which is already in itself the start of the internal healing process.  There is no healing where there is no forgiveness.

    I hope that others understand what FD said here.  In the act of forgiving, one has already had an interaction with the Divine.  They may claim not to know God, but in the act of forgiving, they have communed with Him.  All LOVE is based on this.  Without forgiveness, there is no love.  Without forgiveness there is no healing.

    How can one heal oneself?  Your own body is a metaphor for understanding your Creator.  You cut yourself, intentionally, or accidentally, or from someone's attack:  and the healing process begins as soon as the wounding occurs.  You didn't initiate the healing.  Your attacker didn't initiate it.  Your mother and father didn't initiate it, and the doctor didn't initiate it.  You were designed to heal.  You were not designed to be attacked, or have accidents, or hurt yourself; these things happen, but they are not by design of your Creator.  He designed you to heal. 

    If we refuse to forgive, ourselves or others, we still keep healing, but we choose to pick at the scabs, so to speak.  See, if we pick, we bleed too.  Miraculously, or naturally, but, definitely by design, your body continues the healing process.  It requires an act of will, or willfulness, to keep those wounds open.  That is just what the devil wants.  To keep you picking, resenting, hating, and holding grudges...in short, playing God takes far more energy than forgiving, and leaving the vengeance to Him.  Just as it takes far more faith to believe in evolution than creation, it takes far more will to remain unforgiving, than to surrender to love, forgiveness and charity.

    It does not excuse the act of the perpetrator, it frees you from his/her bonds.  Why would you want to serve their master?

    Thanks FaithfulDisciple, and all who have thoughtfully commented.  This subject is huge, and I appreciate all of your help.

    truthsayer

  • RollingC said on Feb 28, 2007....
    Quickly commenting before going to work...haven't read the whole thing but I'll state for the record (for me at least) that forgiveness has a lot to do with my own peace of mind, let alone anyone else's. Finally forgiving others and yourself gets rid of a lot of nagging demons inside your psyche.
    I highly recommend forgiveness...
    Will come back to read with leisure.
    Peace
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Feb 28, 2007....

    Hi RollingC, long time no c ; ) 

    I am glad that you stopped in to this blog, check out the next one too, please.  Although I know that you are "into" some of the paranormal, or new age type things; I think I read that you said you have 'returned to the church', right? 

    How do you discern between experiences:  What is God communicating with, or to you, and what is evil, in your estimation?

    Maybe you can help me here.  Let me know when you come back and read over the blog and comments.  I suspect that there will be far more posts about "paranormal" type of experiences, like beyondtheveil's post on the subject, than there will be people attributing any of their experiences to communication from God...but, I could be wrong ; ) 

    Keep in touch,

    truthsayer

  • truthsayer said on Feb 28, 2007....

    If anyone is intereted, a scripture came to me to help with this:

          Phillipians 3:13

    It is about moving on, and not letting your past lead you.

    truth

  • RollingC said on Mar 01, 2007....
    Just got back from work and thanks for the invite...I'll be reading this tomorrow at more leisure to digest the thoughts better.  You've read some of my blogs Truth... did you read them all? Just on my first (or second) blog I try and relate the experience that brought me back to the Church and that one we can talk about for several blogs as there are unanswered questions and ideas that took me months and years to digest.
    God talks to us every single day the only problem is the language is different and so softly spoken (in signs, feelings etc.) that most of us don't hear it or pay attention.

    The comment section on my earlier blogs were just as interesting if not more than the blog itself. My wife is the one into alternative healing and I find it interesting also as before I didn't think a piece of oddly shaped crystal or rock or whatever could be used to take physical pain (muscle tension) away better than an aspirin takes away a headache, but my wife proved me wrong. However I don't let that distract me from the teachings of the Church and don't attribute " magical " powers to that.  Whatever exists on this world was put here by God and only He knows the real reason. 
    Anyways I'm off to bed and wish you all a good night's sleep. This week has been very emotional for me and my wife as certain decisions were made that require me to give her my undivided attention. Her daughter (my stepdaughter) has been a pain for many years as she got more and more manipulative....not to mention argumentative ....and a decision was reached to pack her up and let her estranged father take care of her. Needless to say my wife is all broken up about this but we, and specially her, need a break from that teenage selfish manipulator.
    Good night...Peace be with you
    Rc
  • mom said on Mar 01, 2007....
    Wow Rolling your wife is into pyramids and stuff?  I have something that she might like.  It didn't help me but it might her.  LOL
     
    I am really sorry about your wife and what she is going through.  Give her a hug from me.  I hope that the coming days will prove to be better for you both.
  • RollingC said on Mar 01, 2007....
    Thanks mom.... she's not only into pyramids but also aroma therapy, crystal healing combined with massages. And it works too! The only criticism about crystal healing is that it's not permanent and it's not the crystal it's the human energy. I don't believe an object has such type of energy in it. Petroleum has energy but not " healing " energy.
  • RollingC said on Mar 01, 2007....
    Truth...I'll give you my humble opinion on your questions tomorrow or so as my days off have changed temp. to Friday and Saturday. Maybe it'll be permanent but don't know as yet.
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 01, 2007....
    truthsayer: as i read your comment to me, i had to smile. my father-in-law is a pastor, i have a good friend who is a lay minister but attending seminary school, and another friend who left seminary school w/ an emphasis on missionary studies. so yes, i understand well the 90/10 rule, that 90% of the work in a church is done by 10% of the congregation, that there may be bodies in the pews but not many open, repentant hearts.

    have you ever considered an online ministry? in all seriousness: i think you could try it. for my online scriptural needs, i'm fond of this site. you've been on the radio before so you have an appreciation of the lesson of tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, tell 'em, and tell 'em what you told 'em.

    if you wanted, you could even voice-record yourself reading sermons and put it up on one of several file hosting sites online.

    and yes, it was indeed meant sincerely. i think you feel the calling that only a few ever feel, and upon which fewer still act.

    ed
  • kruuyai said on Mar 01, 2007....

    Hi Truth... I'm coming late as usual.   I agree with much of what you said, and I would add that, in order for forgiveness to really have the healing effects that you spoke of, it has to more of an internal job than an external.  Depending on the circumstances, it is not always necessary to communicate our forgiveness to the person or entity that we are forgiving.  In fact, doing so can sometimes cause more harm than good.  There's a sticky situation that comes up with communicating forgiveness.  Because in the mere act of communicating forgiveness, there seems to be implied some sense of superiority on the part of the forgiver.  Especially when the person who is being forgiven doesn't believe that they have done anything which needs to be forgiven.  Even when someone is asking for forgiveness, I feel uncomfortable with that, because, I think.. who am I to forgive or not forgive.  If you feel like you have done something wrong, then forgive yourself, and let me deal with my feelings in my own time and in my own way.  If I choose to forgive you, that action says more about me than about you.  You don't  need my absolution.  I suppose there are cases where it is beneficial to a relationship to communicate one's forgiveness.  But in those cases, it has to be done with a healthy dose of humility.

  • RollingC said on Mar 02, 2007....
    Truth.....I still need some time to get my thoughts together on evil as it gets twisted every which way the devil can get it to go. And God speaks every single day to everyone of us....the more worries and noise you have in your life will get in the way of " hearing " God's soft voice. Many times He doesn't speak with words, only emotions and   sometimes    visions    and     " things " that happen. He's there and when you " feel " His presence about you it's indescribable as you realize that you'd put up with any suffering this world can give in order to feel that forever.

    I agree with you Kruuyai that forgiveness comes from within and it's not always necessary to communicate that. I personally have a situation with my brother and sister where I don't communicate at all with them and have actually thought of them as not family anymore. Had to do with my mom before she died and taking care of her and the inheritance she left me. She gave me most of it and my marriage happened just before the legal battles began. I gave up my rights to good portions of the inheritance (not talking millions or anything like that) to get some peace and quiet for myself and family. At any rate I've forgiven them in my heart but don't care to see them anymore. I've recently learned that my brother is in dire straits mentally with depression (what goes around comes around I can't help but say) and thinking that It'd be good to establish rapport with him again and tell him to get over it and forgive as I'd done already but no dice...he refuses to communicate.  My sister tried in roundabout way to communicate saying it wasn't her fault (through a friend as a messenger yet!) but I politely told the messenger ahhh never mind..I declined.
    I've decided to eliminate phonies from my life even if it means family members.

    But forgiveness is what turned my life around as now I can enjoy myself and my life and deal with the never ending problems of life without a cloud hanging over my head so I for one Highly Recommend Forgiveness....not just of others but of yourself and your mistakes and failures of the past.
    My humble opinion...Peace,
    Rc
  • truthsayer said on Mar 05, 2007....

    Hi Rollingc:

    I am sorry that your step daughter is going through this season, and sorry that it has affected you both so.  Sometimes it is necessary for a chick to leave the nest, and for everyone to have a change of scenery. 

    I can relate to your wife's interests.  We once had a newspaper, a 'new age' newspaper, that was "primarily Christian" ; )  So I am well familiar with the things we tell ourselves as we try to make it all "fit".  Unfortunately, it does not.  Hopefully, she will figure that out.  I would highly recommend getting Stormie O'Martian's books on Power of the Praying Husband:  The book, and the little prayer book. I guarantee you will be amazed at the signs, wonders and miracles that you, as a man, will experience from learing how to pray for your wife. 

    I would like to post part of your response on my "signs, spiritual phenomena and who we are" blog, if you do not mind, because I really appreciate your honesty when you say:

    Truth.....I still need some time to get my thoughts together on evil as it gets twisted every which way the devil can get it to go. And God speaks every single day to everyone of us....the more worries and noise you have in your life will get in the way of " hearing " God's soft voice. Many times He doesn't speak with words, only emotions and   sometimes    visions    and     " things " that happen. He's there and when you " feel " His presence about you it's indescribable as you realize that you'd put up with any suffering this world can give in order to feel that forever.

    If you do not mind.  Few people responded to that post, and I hate to have unbelievers, think that we Christians do not have these experiences, and for them to know that we have to discern things, and test the spirits, all the time.

    But to your comments on forgiveness:

    I agree with you Kruuyai that forgiveness comes from within and it's not always necessary to communicate that. I personally have a situation with my brother and sister where I don't communicate at all with them and have actually thought of them as not family anymore. Had to do with my mom before she died and taking care of her and the inheritance she left me. She gave me most of it and my marriage happened just before the legal battles began. I gave up my rights to good portions of the inheritance (not talking millions or anything like that) to get some peace and quiet for myself and family. At any rate I've forgiven them in my heart but don't care to see them anymore.  

    I agree with you and kruuyai on whether or not you must personally, ask for forgiveness, or "give it". 

    You have no idea how similar your family experiences are to my own family experiences; right down to the inheritance and letting it go, in order to have peace, and place relationships above mammon.  It was a bizarre three years of my life, and a huge eye-opener about who I was raised with, and who really raised me, as opposed to who raised my sibs.

    You also said:  I've decided to eliminate phonies from my life even if it means family members.

    Amen.  But still, I pray for them to wake up.  Not as often as I used to, but I do pray that they will come to know Him and live for Him.  So, that makes two of us (at least ; ) that can highly recommend forgiveness, for yourself, for others and as a way of life.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully, and I will sat a prayer for you, your wife and her daughter.

    Peace be with you,

    truthsayer

  • truthsayer said on Mar 06, 2007....

    kruuyai said, "it has to be done with a healthy dose of humility."  Yes, it does, always.  Humility is the basis of forgiveness, both giving and receiving.

    I also agree that it is usually more of an internal, than an external thing.  I had to ask my father's forgiveness, because it was the key to softening his hardened heart.  But I could not do it, unless I was operating in humility, and I was shocked that the Lord would ask that of me, initially. 

    I would not have gone to my father to offer my forgiveness though.  That was an internal thing, for me, between me and the Lord.  It did come up though, in my conversation with my dad.  He was glad that I forgave him.  I didn't forget the wrongs, but I didn't have the "energy" as you describe in your post on your 'sister in flight'.

    In cases of abuse, I doubt that going to that nonrepentant person to offer one's forgiveness, would have much impact on them; and it could, as you say, be dangerous to the abused one offering it. 

    I read where you said that you are uncomfortable with others asking you to forgive them, but it doesn't have to be immediate.  Besides, I just read your story about your 'sister in flight' and I read where you said that her forgiveness means the world to you.  It means so much to all of us, to give and to receive forgiveness, you were right to ask her, and she was right to forgive you.  Even if it had taken her a while, it would have been just as sweet, wouldn't it?

    truthsayer

     

  • truthsayer said on Mar 06, 2007....

    Dear silverwhisper:

    I am so glad to hear that you have people surrounding you with love and prayer ; )

    I checked out that BibleGateway website and had some fun on it, looking up all the different versions of the same verse.  I have used it online before too.  I have a website I should share with you, but I don't have it right now.  I have to look it up, but it is called E-Sword, and the software is downloadable and free too.  It has all of the Strong's Concordance references for each word, like the Old and New Testament that I use here at home.  I thought you might like to look up the original words and their meaning, from time to time.

    We are looking into an online ministry right now.  Thanks so much for your comments and encouragement.  Funny that you are not a Believer, and yet, I find encouragement in your words.  God is a funny Guy, and a Good Judge of our hearts too.  He has often used nonbelievers to speak to me about a thing.  It is a pleasant mystery to me.  Thanks for sharing.

    I understand you are some kind of a computer whiz.  Maybe we will ask for your help ; )  As for the recording idea; I prefer the interaction.  One of my radio shows was an hour, and although it was an interview show, with some call ins, there wasn't time for much interaction with the listeners.  The other radio show was a four hour magazine format show, with call ins.  There was more time to really get into a subject, and hear from the interviewees, and the listeners too.  It was much more satisfying.

    Anyway, we are looking into it...thanks again : )

    truthsayer

     

  • kruuyai said on Mar 06, 2007....
    Perhaps so.
  • RollingC said on Mar 06, 2007....
    Truthsayer...you are most welcome to quote anything from me if it will help you and in your online ministry.  You are most welcome to my personal journal about my experiences if you need that for your references also.
    When I get a chance I'll look into that book that you mentioned.
    Peace be with you....
    Rc
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 06, 2007....
    truthsayer: you know, i may not believe w/ you, but i believe in wisdom. "a rose by any other name", as shakespeare said, no?

    ed
  • LadyGamer said on Mar 07, 2007....
    Tagged...I want to come back to this.
  • Alyss said on Mar 07, 2007....
    truth; I'm reading the verse now, thank you for the reference.

    and ed thanks for the link.
  • silverwhisper said on Mar 07, 2007....
    alyss: i have a certain paladin to thank for that, IIRC. :>

    ed
  • truthsayer said on Mar 09, 2007....

    http://www.e-sword.net/

    Here is a link to free Bible study software for Windows.  You can look up any word or phrase and find it wherever it is in the Bible.  So, if you are looking for information about, say, lust, you can type that word into the search (the icon looks like little binoculars), and it will find every single entry in the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament, for the word "lust". 

    I usually keep it open when I am writing, studying, or searching for clarity on any topic.  Enter the word, LOVE, and see how many times God mentions that word, and how it is used.  Truth, wisdom, sin...find out how many things are actually idolatry, pagan, etc.  You would be surprised at how many things we do now, as a society, that are actually idolatrous or pagan, and we just don't use those words anymore.

    It is especially for forgiveness.  Just remember to use all forms of the word, to find every verse.  Also, if you are looking for a specific verse in the Bible...say, one that you have remembered since childhood, maybe Sunday school; you enter whatever words you clearly remember, and no more than you are certain of.  There are many different forms of the Bible, and that is where the Bible Gateway website is particularly useful.

    Blessings and welcome to LadyGamer, Alyss, and again, to silverwhisper, RollingC and kruuyai. 

    I look forward to your discussions.

    truthsayer

  • silverwhisper said on Mar 09, 2007....
    oo, built-in concordance! how very, very helpful! thank you!

    ed
  • truthsayer said on Mar 10, 2007....

    You are quite welcome.  I have been on here for all of 20 minutes in the past four days.  Seems I have some catching up to do.  See you "out there".

    truth

  • polarheart said on Mar 10, 2007....
    Just reaching out over the oceans, mountains, rivers and fields to say:
     
    TAG, YOU'RE IT!
     
    {{{{hugs}}}}} Polar
     
  • truthsayer said on Mar 10, 2007....

    Hi Polarheart.  I just finished another blog and I am now following up on my other blogs, comments, etc.

    Thanks for the hug-tag from across the seas...~~~~~~truthsayer waves back, across the waves~~~~~~at Miss Heart.

    Take care, and be good. 

    truth

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