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wikipedia quoth:
as an expression of romantic affection or sexual desire, kissing involves two people kissing one another on the lips, usually with much more intensity, and for a considerably longer period of time. in more passionate kissing couples may open their mouths, suck on each other's lips, or move their tongues into each others' mouths (see french kissing). sexual kissing may also involve one person kissing another on various parts of the body (see foreplay).

while there’s certainly other types of kissing (e.g., signs of respect/deference; friendship; etc), with valentine’s day in the offing, it seems silly to waste time discussing them.

in the princess bride, a very young fred savage queried with suspicion
is this a kissing book?


kissing is a strange phenomenon. it’s more or less unknown in the animal kingdom. we humans are largely alone in that we do it at all. i’ve always found that peculiar, myself.

i am a kissing slut.

there, i said it.

i love kissing. i truly do. i like sex, too, but you know, for me it’s all kinda secondary to me to kissing.

not for the mere act of it—like so many things, i find the meaning of an action vastly more compelling imaginatively than the act itself. like the old adage “it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it”, i find that actions are most meaningfully examined in the context of why and what they mean.

no, i like kissing b/c it’s a form of being vulnerable, of choosing to allow someone to draw closer.

those of you who have pets know that they generally don’t like it when you touch their faces: they generally shy away, turn to avoid it when you try to do so, unless you’ve trained him or her to like it.

heck, we don’t like it when someone invades our personal space: when a complete stranger walks within one foot of you, most of us back away, try to maintain some physical—and hence emotional—distance. and that assumes we let them get that close—i would probably back away from such a person. i’ve heard it said that europeans are comfortable with less personal space than americans, which is borne out by my own personal experiences.

in this particular instance, i think that for most, the physical and emotional distances correlate very strongly: the closer we allow someone to get, the closer we allow them to ourselves in both ways.

IOW: with a kiss, we allow someone to draw close to us.

and while that’s certainly true of sex, we all know that when we’re really turned on, we make decisions we might not normally otherwise make. after all, sex can be impersonal—a recent blog entry by sidhe certainly describes how that can be so.

kissing is another matter entirely, however.

see, i believe there’s a reason why a kiss is universally regarded as the platonic ideal of a romantic action, even more than the act of sex. and that’s b/c kissing can say so much more.

a kiss is a very simple act, and like so many simple things, its beauty is found in how it’s done. and what i find is that the best kisses have one thing in common: they communicate love. i suppose in that respect—at least for me—the best kisses are like sex that way.

but by comparison, sex is a limited tool for showing love. you know that wonderful, lazy, happy, post-coital glow that has you floating on a cloud of velvet? it’s a beautiful thing, isn’t it?

haven’t you ever gotten there with a kiss?

that’s why a kiss will always for me trump sex as an expression of love: b/c it can communicate the same thing but so much more potently.



so am i the only person who’s had that glow from a single kiss, or is this truly—as i believe—a universal experience, or am i just a freak? does sex communicate love better than a kiss in some way that i’ve missed? comment and let me know.

ed

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  • sweetsoul said on Feb 13, 2007....
    ed - I agree that kissing is a wonderful expression of letting someone in.
     
    Not sure it always has to express love...even allowing it's romantic nature. Surely 'Pretty Woman' would agree though. Remember...anything but the kiss on the mouth?
     
     So many nuances....slow and sensual, playful, full of desire, animalistic.
     
    Going to have to think about kissing trumping sex as an expression of love. Wouldn't have been my first thought. Having sex is much more intimate...can be equally as expressive...
  • Muckraker said on Feb 13, 2007....
       Enjoy it while you're young, when you get to be my age it loses most of its appeal.
  • sidhe said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Well, in porn they didn't really let us kiss except in one of two films.  I suppose it's not considered titillating to anyone looking for emotionless sex so perhaps you have a point on the emotion part of it.
     
    For myself that's one of the things I mourn.  I'm a really, really, really good kisser.  Between natural talent and training I can make a man feel anything a kiss can make them feel. 
     
    I guess between the theater/acting training and the porn I don't.  It's nothing special to me.  It doesn't indicate love when I kiss someone.  It doesn't indicate love to me when they kiss me.  I feel lust sometimes, but mostly it's just an act calculated to get a response from another person.  I hate that too.  That I've lost the ability to feel the emotional aspects of a kiss.
     
     
  • MissMimi said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I agree with you, Ed, that kissing is very intimate. I love kissing. My husband and I used to lay in bed and just kiss for a very long time. Of course it usually led to other things, but not always. When we were first dating, before we slept together, we used to just sit in the dark with only the glow of the stereo system on (yes, I'm old. It was well before CD players. ;) ), and just kiss. Now that I think back on it it was pretty innocent, but it was so sweet.
  • polarheart said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Ed, for me sexual intercourse expresses my physical desire for my husband whereas kissing expresses my emotional desire for him.  They are both very important in our relationship. . .in our relationship we cant have one without the other.
     
    Does this make any sense?
     
  • Alyss said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Kissing... well ed you certainly have a knack for choosing areas I feel strongly about and yet have very little claim to IRL.

    To me kissing someone can convey many different things. The platonic kiss on the cheek, the tender kiss on the forehead and the heart turningly emotional aspect of the romantic kiss amongst others.

    My post Together being an example of how wonderful that can be, at least for me.

    I love kissing and to be kissed and to me its absence in a relationship is very telling. I have been told I am a good kisser, so for someone with whom I'm in an intimate relationship to not want to kiss or be kissed by me is very much a rejection.

  • PAPERBACKWRITER said on Feb 13, 2007....
    earmarked!

    i <3 kissing!

    paper~

    you are on the roll again, bro. . .i feel like a dog running after you, lol
  • EvilTwin said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Alyss, my love...you are not just a good kisser, but you are a toe-curlingly wonderful kisser.  I have never before felt such emotion and tenderness in a kiss.
     
    I do believe that kissing can relate many different things, depending upon how it is given.  And received.  There are platonic kisses, and friendly ones.  There are tender ones and playful kisses.  Even Eskimo kisses. <g>  And then there are the romantic kisses that convey volumes without uttering a single word...
     
    And I believe in demonstrating my affection, and what better way with my soulmate than with a kiss.  Or two.  Or three.  Or more...
  • HotAir said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I used to get the wonderful love filled walking on clouds kisses, that was before my husband though. In a past life I shared the most beautiful kisses imaginable. My DH is not a good (OR passionate) kisser. He kisses like a grandma kisses her grandchildren. No lie! He doesn't do ANY lip sucking he doesn't really even pucker. I just tried a couple of weeks age to 'teach' him how to kiss. He doesn't understand it. He is a very defensive person and his heart stays in some sort of vault I don't have access to. That within itself make it impossible to share a good kiss. I'm so glad you get em though!
  • EvilTwin said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Of course, I forgot to ask... Does it matter where the kiss is placed?...
  • beyondtheveil said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Ed- I don't know what we would do without the kiss. I think of all the situations we use the kiss and imagine those without the kiss. There is a void.....
  • purrrkitten said on Feb 13, 2007....

    Kissing. It's fun. It's scary. It's a friendship thing. It's a prelude to sex. It can be many things. However, because I am hyper-sensitive to smell, fresh breath is a MUST.

    A good kisser is also a necessity. Slobbering all over me just turns me off, big time. Ugh. I feel like slugs are crawling over my skin.

    IOW, don't each nachos or doritos or onions and try to slobber-kiss me...  ehehehhe

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 13, 2007....
    sweetsoul: you're right, sex can be very expressive. but i'm fairly certain you've also had angry, hot, make-up sex, no? is there such an analogue in kissing? there isn't IMX.

    muckraker: i'm curious how young you think i am. :>

    sidhe: that is a loss that requires some mourning, i completely agree.

    mimi: i do love that sweetness. jeez, think back on how much fun it was to make out when you were a teen!

    polarheart: is it really divided that neatly? can't sex (when it's lovemaking) express tenderness also? can't a kiss express a raging desire?

    alyss: mm...see, i completely understand that. of course, being rejected as a sexual being can also hurt, i would imagine.

    paper: nah, today isn't a roll. now tomorrow...tomorrow will see more than just one blog entry. :>

    ET: according to wikipedia, non-mouth kisses are classed under foreplay (no lie: it actually says that in the article!). :> kisses that say volumes--see, that's the kind of thing i was talking about!

    hotair: ouch, sorry to hear that--"like a grandmother kisses her grandchildren"--yikes!

    beyond: and it's an ugly, dark void, isn't it?

    purr: heh...not-bad breath at least is a definite priority for me, too. and the less said of morning mouth the better!

    ed
  • Zayda said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Kissing is an art that I think too many people pay too little attention to.   Kisses can convey so much in such a little gesture.  

    I think some of my favorite moments with my husband are those kisses that are not hot and passionate but sweet and tender.  Those little sweet ones come when I'm doing something mundane, like washing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, or folding laundry, and he walks up and slides an arm around my waist and places a kiss on my temple.    There's so much history and emotion and significance in that small little kiss.


  • polarheart said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Ed, yes - you are right.  You see I was talking about kissing during the act of lovemaking. . .that's why I said we cant have one without the other.  We really dont get to kiss (french) at all outside of that context. I know its sad and perhaps something to work on.  However, I dont know if we would just be able to kiss without it leading to more. . . .
     
  • mousenphonic said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I can give ten good reasons why kissing is important....but I'm not going to ;) No offence to my husband (who is realy a great kisser), but I can still remember my first kiss, it lasted a whole night, and it remains the most passionate night of my life, even though there was no form of sex involved or even mentioned.....(I was much too young to even think about sex anyway)
    <*ms
  • mlw32785 said on Feb 13, 2007....
    There is somehting to what your saying about kissing. It is very special  and it has a special feeling all it's own.I remember glowing after getting my first kiss. I thought about it all night.
     
  • VICARIOUS said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I can't have sex without kissing. I can't stay connected. If a girl isn't into kissing I won't date her long. On the flipside, if a woman loves kissing and making out as much as I do, we are in for some hot times.
     
    I once pushed a girl off of me during sex because she didn't like kissing while having sex.
  • harriedpsychmajor said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Sex is biological, and universal throughout the animal kingdom. It's evolutionary, and doesn't even require any degree of emotion. Only we as humans attach some kind of emotional involvment to sex, and hell... even in the human domain there are people who don't attach much emotionality to sex, like in casual sex and one-night stands.

    But kissing is man-made, a way to communicate pure emotion between two people. There's none of that faceless evolutionary theory attached to kissing, it's just a beautiful expression of feelings, respect and love between two people.

    Awesome post, Ed.
  • Supermom said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Once Again Silverwhisper, I am Blown away by how aware you are of the true nature of things. a good kiss is SOOO much better than sex, because, as you said, sex can be meaningless (Not for me) and kissing, well...I dunno...is there such thing as a meaningless kiss? I don't think so.  I think kissing is important, we CHOOSE to kiss people. and we kiss them for all different reasons, I kiss my babies when they get hurt or scared to soothe them and remind them that mommy is there, I kiss my husband to show that I love him, and mobsters kiss their enemies to tell them they're gonna get whacked, just kidding. Thank you for this lovely post, it made my day.
  • Lucytorial said on Feb 13, 2007....

    Silver, oh I love to kiss, anyone willing to smack lips with me really (friends, respected aquaintences, lovers) I love the way that a kiss conveys a feeling of love, a notions of closeness and a fearless stretching out to another.

    I kiss my friends a lot, men and women and right on the lips, there is always a hug involved too. With friends - don't we chose our friends because we find them attractive (not so much sexual) but because we click together and have immediate respect and desire to know them more? so why not a kiss to show it.

    I remember my english teacher telling me in a lit class DONT TELL ME SHOW ME and I think thats the case with the kiss.

    Intimate kisses with a loved one can be pure bliss and yes silver some of my best kisses have left me breathless and elated, floating on a cloud of gold (was going to say silver...)

    The unexpected ones too are awfully lovely in that way, it is the action of showing love that I like.

    Anyone for a kiss??? hmm yes please

    your breath, your taste, the warmth of your arms around me, the feeling of strength of being held within your embrace, that sense of seeing your eyes your soul and that love tingling upon my very ruby lips, that soft and saltry melting in to you... you my friend my lover, my one I am but a rose petal you have so gently plucked me from myself and I am yours  {gush gush}

  • Jenna said on Feb 13, 2007....

    Ahhh...I love the kiss....I agree....it is and can be more intimate than sex.  As you said....kissing can say so much more. 

    I love the soft, tongue tracing the lips kiss...the gentle brushing of the lips kiss, the deep passionate, hungry kiss.  I do love kissing. 

    A kiss can communicate so many things. I think you know exactly how someone feels about you in a kiss.  Did I mention, I love kissing?????

  • momsrock said on Feb 13, 2007....
     I love kissing! I love kissing so much that a persons teeth are the first thing I notice about them... I want to make sure they aren't going to leave any plaque in my mouth! :)
  • CreativeWoman said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I love kissing.  With the right person it could be magic.

    CW
  • Lioness said on Feb 13, 2007....
    I totally agree with what you said about personal space, ed.. too close could be dangerous and intimidating, especially with strangers.

    I love kissing too... It's an expression that means so many things, and yet projects a positive meaning.
  • missunderstood1162 said on Feb 13, 2007....
    Mmmmm love love love kissing.  That means my lover, soulmate, husband. 
     
     But I also kiss those that I just adore. Kissing in my life:
     
     I love to kiss babies, that for me is like food for my soul......my boys are 22 and 24 and they still kiss me on the cheek and one still occasionally will bend down (he's really tall) and kiss me a little mom peck on the lips like he did when he was a little boy.  That still melts my heart.
     
    my grandkids give me wet slobbery little baby kisses, my 70 year old dad will kiss me on the cheek when I leave after a visit.  I put the back of my sisters hand to my lips and kiss it while listening to her talk about something near to her heart.  I blow kisses and I draw kisses.  I sign off with kisses and hugs and I will sometimes say "kiss kiss" when leaving. 
     
    For me it's part of how I love.
     
  • quidnunc said on Feb 13, 2007....
    mrs and i make it a point to engage in at least one passionate kiss before we sleep.

    kissing is such a powerful way of expressing ourselves -- be it a kiss to our spouse, parents, relatives, and children. i can't live without it.
  • Zayda said on Feb 13, 2007....
    You know, there is actually nothing better than those sticky from too much kool-aid giggling kisses planted on mom and dad's cheek by a 5 year old. Yes, I know, this thread is mainly about romantic kisses because of valentines day, but those little kisses from the 5 year old say so much as well.

    Actually, I have a good friend, a male friend, who is prone to sweepng a buzzing kiss across my cheek every time he manages to be in town and we get to see him.  It's always exaggeratedly loud and silly, but it fits our friendship, loud, silly, goofy, and comfortable. 
  • kruuyai said on Feb 14, 2007....

    "kissing is a strange phenomenon. it’s more or less unknown in the animal kingdom. we humans are largely alone in that we do it at all. i’ve always found that peculiar, myself."  I couldn't agree less.  I speak from experience.  I have literally been kissed by a horse.  Yes, an honest to goodness lip smacking kiss that told me, "Even though I'm so freaked out by that other horse that I can't move around the stall the way you need me to, I still like you, and I appreciate everything you do for me."  I've never been more stunned in my life... It was so touching.  And I can't think of any concrete examples, but I'm sure I've seen videos of chimps kissing each other.  And that thing about animals not liking their faces touched... I don't know where you got that.  I've never had an animal shy away from having their face touched, unless it looked like I was going for their eyes, but even then, a lot of dogs, including the one I live with now, have let me pull the goo out of their eyes.  And when I was in Norway last summer, I used to kiss my pal the billy goat on the nose all the time.  In fact, it was in my job description.  He didn't kiss me back, but he knew what it was. 

    Sorry for getting so far off the track, as I have a tendency to do.  That's just the part of the post that drew the most attention from me.  I'm sitting here with the flu, so kissing is the farthest thing from my mind.  I agree, though, that kissing is far more romantic than sex.

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    super z: i agree it's often neglected. and you know i love hearing about your experiences w/ the little man. :>

    polarheart: heh...i love that you aren't sure you could separate them--i think that's fantastic!

    mouse: OK, i'm confuzzled as to why you wouldn't want to give those ten reasons. am i being obtuse?

    mlw: i do like those times myself. i would appreciate it btw if you wouldn't post off-topic links, though.

    vic: oddly, i can, but those were not exactly ideal circumstances.

    harried: it appears i'm just repeating what a lot of people already feel, harried, but thank you. :>

    supermom: i'm glad you found something in this that resonated with you. obviously, i agree w/ what you have to say here.

    lucy: maybe it's a guy thing, i'm very very guarded about the people i kiss. but i like the show don't tell idea about kissing--i like that a great deal, in fact. and i really enjoyed that description you posted!

    jenna: you know the old "shoop shoop" song? i had it running through my head when i wrote this, and your comment brought it all back to mind. thank you--i love that old tune. :>

    MR: ah yes...oral hygiene is so very important. :D

    CW: it so very much is, IMX. and powerful magic at that. :>

    lioness: yeah, i'm weird about my personal space, i think. :>

    miss understood: hang on, you have grandkids? i honestly wouldn't have thought that. wow, learn something new every day, huh? you always struck me as too young to have grandkids, to be honest.

    quid: i can't live w/out it, either. :D

    kruuyai: i've been hoping someone might disagree w/ me--thank you! re: animals, how often have you seen animals kiss one another? are you sure in the instances you described that it wasn't a learned behavior from humans? see, if you know of cases where animals (e.g., a mated pair) do it, i'll cheerfully admit you're right.

    ed
  • Alyss said on Feb 14, 2007....
    kruuyai I laughed at your description of being kissed by a horse I've experienced that too (but not on the lips ~yuk)  .

    As a student I once accepted a dare to kiss a dead fish so I went to the fishmonger's and chose a very fresh mackerel and kissed it. I think I must have been mad now when I think about it as it was a rather unpleasant experience truth to tell, cold, slimy and somewhat smelly.

    But if I say someone kisses like a dead fish I do have a comparison for that assertion!
  • kruuyai said on Feb 14, 2007....

    ed: "are you sure in the instances you described that it wasn't a learned behavior from humans?"  When humans kiss, isn't it also a learned behavior from humans?  As far as animals kissing each other, I'll have to watch more nature shows.  lol

    Alyss: Mine wasn't on the lips either... he kissed my hand.  But there are several photos of horses kissing women on the lips in my computer language learning program.  I guess those could just be tricks they were taught, but I don't know.  At the horse farm I worked at , one of the horses (a different one) used to kiss the owner of the farm quite often. 

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    kruuyai: sure, it's a learned behavior...from other humans.

    alyss: wait...you've been trout-kissed?!

    ed
  • Alyss said on Feb 14, 2007....
    Get it right ed ~ mackerel kissed...
  • sidhe said on Feb 14, 2007....

    (lol) 

     

    Trout-kissed = trout smacked!

  • missunderstood1162 said on Feb 14, 2007....
    um yes........I was 39 when I had my first grandbaby.  He's five.  You do the math.  My birthday was last Sunday.  I AM young compared to my husband.  He's 14 years older than me.  People tell me all the time that they think I am in my 30's.  Ya gotta love that!  Funny that you perceived that even from my "writing"...interesting.
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    hell, that's what i would have guessed! it's a function of how you write, word choices, sentence structures and your handle. :>

    ed
  • kruuyai said on Feb 14, 2007....
    so, what about dogs and cats licking each other?  wouldn't that be considered a form of kissing?  Obviously, I don't have much going on tonight to keep coming back to this issue so "doggedly."  :)
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    kruuyai: that's always struck me as a grooming behavior and hence, not quite the same thing as kissing. heh..."doggedly"... :D

    ed
  • mousenphonic said on Feb 14, 2007....

    silver: confuzzled....that's a new word I have to add to my list of "things to say at least once a day" 10 reasons, oh my ed, can't you use your imagination? ;)

    <*ms

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    ah..i plead undercaffeination. :D

    ed
  • mousenphonic said on Feb 14, 2007....
    Silver: heehee, undercaffeination excused.  How do u like ur coffee, I would love to make u a cup? (Perculator gurgling behind me in the kitchen, rich fumes of coffee swirling in the air.....)
    <*ms
  • silverwhisper said on Feb 14, 2007....
    honestly, i'm not much of one for coffee...tea, OTOH... :D

    ed
  • mousenphonic said on Feb 14, 2007....
    Good thing, a very unhealthy habit....:) Why is everything I like unhealthy? WHY?! Completely off topic here, that's a discussion for another day.....
    <*ms
  • in_bocca_al_lupo3 said on Jan 18, 2008....
    First of all, you are not a freak. Far from it. Second of all, I'm a "kissing slut" too. Third, I love the ref. to the Princess Bride; one of my favorite all time movies. Fourth, well in general I agree with your entire opinion of kissing. A kiss is often more intimate then actual sex act itself. I miss kissing my last S/O more then I miss sleeping with him. Besides that, so I've experienced at least, sex tends to complicate everything; it's never too early in dating or a relationship for a kiss, and kisses seem to enhance everything to begin with.
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 18, 2008....
    mouse: sorry, completely failed to reply to you, mouse! um...everything fun is unhealthy!

    in bocca al lupo: yeah, one of my favorite movies, too! :> and obviously, you and i feel similarly about the importance of kissing. :>

    btw: is there a short version of that i can use to call you?

    ed
  • in_bocca_al_lupo3 said on Jan 18, 2008....
    Mhmm, yes we do :]
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 18, 2008....
    i think that's kinda nifty. :>

    ed

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