• mom said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Something I don't understand and maybe you can help me to understand.
  While I was growing up, we referred to black people as colored.   I never thought  that it was a bad term, but I was taught you never say, the 'N' word.  As I got older, it was changed to Blacks but you still don't use the 'N' word.  Then it became African Americans and now the African Americans are calling each other the 'N' word but it is still a bad word to use.  What I don't understand is why so many name changes?  I never thought the term 'colored' was so bad,  we use the term 'People of color', I don't even see anything wrong with the term 'black'.  As I said before I was raised not to use the 'N' word as it is derogatory and an insult.   The word is very offensive to me.  From what I have always thought is that using that word was considered racial and was one reason why the black community couldn't rise above.  Now I hear some blacks use it amoungst each other and if a white person uses it, it is still considered bad. I have also noticed that some blacks are even referring to each other as different names according to how black they are.  Like a very dark black is called "black" and a black who is not so dark is called brown skinned.  I just don't understand, is a title of what color you are really that important?   I don't care if I am called whitey, caucasion, european, white, cracker whatever. I would be happy with just one word.  *sigh*  Please enlighten me and I mean no disrespect honestly.
  I had befriended a guy on MIRC and we got along really good, he was a nice guy and we decided to share photos.  I saw that he was black and I didn't care, he was a nice guy.  He then said "You see that I am black right?"  I jokingly said, "No I hadn't noticed."   After that I was referred to as the white devil and he became quite radical about color.  Up until he knew I was white and he knew I was black, there were no lines drawn.  I was kind of hurt over that, I really liked him and he was fun.  I still don't know if he got defensive thinking I was racist or if he actually hated whites.  I don't really know.

• tbs230 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Hey mom, ok, so I know a man, a very sweet loving man who was raised to call black people colored. The first time I heard it I was shocked, but when we talked about it he told me the same thing you said. It was the way he raised, the term "black" was offensive when he was growing up, and he will never say that to describe someone of color. So no offense taken, I totally understand.
  
  Black people (and I use the word black to mean anyone from a black country, whether Africa or the Caribbean), have gone through history trying to define themselves not as others see them but as they see themselves.  I'm sure that the tribes in Africa did not call themselves black.  So it's understandable that throughout the years that we as a people have found it difficult to label ourselves.
  
  On the N word, I have asked the same question. I will never fully understand what purpose that word has. As far as I can discern, it's a language all of itself. It can be used as a term of endearment, or as a way to show disgust. It's meaning can range from that of familial ties, such as being a brother or close friend, to being a way to describe someone you hate.
  
  Some examples:
  
  That's my N****!, which is equivalent to saying that's my close friend
  
  or
  
  Can you believe that N****!, which is like saying can you believe that [insert other insulting name here]
  
  Also the word is mostly used to describe or address black men, although I have heard people of Latin descent use it to describe themselves too.
  
  Another thing to be aware of is that the Adultswim show, The Boondocks, is allowed to say the word without it being bleeped off. It's becoming acceptable to say it. Why? I will never know, and your guess is as good as mine.
  
  I find that color has always played a role in history, but for black people, the lighter you are, the more white blood you have in you. (I use the word white in the same context as black, to group together anyone from non-black countries) Being dark meant you had no redeeming qualities, you had no chance of passing for someone part of a fairer skinned race.  And during the time of slavery, passing for something other than black was a good thing. Even in Regency England, the fairer you were the more beautiful you were. But I feel that I must add that some people love dark skinned individuals. I guess it's just a matter of taste.
  
  I'm truly sorry for what that man did to you. There has always been a struggle between people who wanted a black nation and those that wanted integration.  It's a struggle to find where you fit in this world, and Black people have been scattered to so many parts of the world, sometimes it's hard to chose between the two.  However,  that is no excuse for mistreatment. Hate is a by product of ignorance, which is why I'm happy you asked these questions. 

• yani said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I, too don't understand about this black issue. I know that you have struggled for so many years, about slavery and all. We, as a race have also struggled for so many years, not only with the Spaniards, but also with the Japanese and even the Americans.
   
  Anyway, I was chatting for almost two months with  this certain guy. Like mom, I like chatting with him, he was witty and clearly very intelligent. During those months he insisted on sending me his pictures. I keep refusing, saying it doesn't matter with me. It really doesn't. When he wouldn't stop, I agreed. Right after sending it he asked if I minded about how he looked like. I ask him why I should mind? He said 'cos he's black. I mean, really, after all these years, centuries, does it still matter? I told him : No it doesn't matter to me. As long as we can talk and consider each other friends. I don't care about the color of your skin.
   
  We're still friends until now.
   
  And no, I don not have any question about blackness :) I just wanted to share. I hope you don't mind.

• mom said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Thanks so much hon,  I understand what you are saying.  I know that the 'N' word is meant in the context that you have given me.  I just don't see how anyone can justify using the word whether it is for good or bad.  It is a bad word no matter what context.  I have always felt that one needs to be proud of who they are and where they come from.  Our roots are what makes us who we are. So when I have heard that the lighter skinned a black person is the more white they are, it seems that the person is still not accepting of their own race. Which is a shame, I know that humantiy has made it difficult for others.  I also know that many whites in history has done some horrendous things to other races and I just don't want all whites to be viewed that way. I have looked back in my geneology and some of my relatives from way back had slaves.  I don't believe in it and think it is awful but because my ancestors did it, doesn't mean that I would. Some of my best friends growing up were black and we got a long fine and neither of us knew of any boundaries except that our skin was colored different.  I remember one time when I was in about 2nd grade and my friend, her name was Evelyn, was at my house and we were playing, I had asked her if she knew she was colored.  She said, "yeah"  I then asked her if it bothered her and she said, "no"  then I told her it didn't bother me either and we went on playing as if it was nothing.  It was all so innocent and neither of us was offended.  We are still really good friends.  I guess I don't understand why there can't be the same tolerance that we had as children.
  I am glad to meet somepeople that are willing to talk about these things.  You are right that hate is a byproduct of ignorance and that it applies to anyone.  Understanding each other and knowing that we are all God's children will maybe help with the division that still exists between races.  I seem to be rambling, it isn't every day that I can have this kind of conversation and not feel as if I am offending that person.
  I saw a movie once "Imitation of Life"  a most excellent movie about a black girl that didn't want to accept her own race. You could tell the mother was black but the daughter was light skinned and could pass herself off as white.  Her mother was always trying to get the daughter to accept herself and love herself but the daughter hated being black. She was ashamed of her mother and she would not have anything to do with her mother, she ran away.  Well the story ends up with the mother dying and the daughter finding out sometime later.  I can't think of anyone who  would not cry over the movie.  The daughter finally accepted herself and her own race.  It was a horribly sad movie that made me bawl like a baby and my husband cried too.  if you ever get the chance to see it, it is a great movie.Thank you for taking the time to share these things with me.  *hugs*

• silverwhisper said on Feb 05, 2007....

  growing up, my best friend was black. we lived in a middle-class suburb and he and i were the only minority kids in the neighborhood. that had nothing whatsoever to do w/ how we got along, i don't think. we just got along, you know?
  
  having said that, i don't know as an outsider whether it's possible for me to know what does/doesn't constitute black-ness.
  
  ed

• husbandhater said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Guys this is a good debate & I will answer one of those questions for you: 1# You have a race of people who have lived in constant confusion( Don't chew me up yet hear me out!) For as many that came over in slave boats. You also have the ones that were raped  by both set of capters( traders as well as master).
  And the "product" of these unions( some was actually love like our 4 father Jefferson and Sally Hemmings), bring forth a Whole new set and race of people.
   
  And with this new race and se t of people confusion. Why is it that I am considered Black when I look white or Spanish or Dutch etc.,. (You get my drift )
  They were taught that "black" is an ugly thing to be( they were the slaves meant to serve, they were dirty and worked out in the field, they had big noses huge lips etc.,. all these features were teased so of course some, not all scammered to be other than what they were/are. (They were/are pshycologically abused)
  Look at t.v. and films from the time these features began to at least the 1980's. More often than not blacks were protrayed like what I just discussed and as freedom came the maids,house boys:think step and fetch and some of Shirley Temples movies. To be laughed at and for entertainment purposes.
  They weren't protrayed in a better light till Cosby( doctor, lawyer the all american dream). Yes the occassional film but not everyday life and in such prominant positions, wait Julia sorry still late 70's though.
   
  The question they present is a real one: Why is it that I cannot claim both of my races and be loved for who I am vs my skin color or racial ethnicity link.
  If you look at most applications ffor things you either claim one or the other but never both. Why is that? And this goes 4 any ethnicity not just black and white.
   
  But you now have the delima of not being excepted by the race of people you are told you belong to. Why? B/c they looked at these " products" as being everything they were told they were not. And as being the resemblance of their oppressor. So they were stuck btw both worlds and couldn't get a break.
  This why you have the your lightskinned, your dark skinned, your brown skinned delima. You still have a race of people who are not exactly African or from those origins anymore b/c they are born here. And for hundreds of yrs now intermingled with other races and nationaliyies.( Example: Supposedly we are the descendents of monkeys if you beleive darwins' theory. From there came cave men. We don't define ourselves as "cave people we say were :"H-U-M-A-N"!)
   
  It's sort of the same thing and this is why you have such trouble defining blackness and what is black. Mariah  Carey and Halle Berry have discussed this issue at length.  Although Mariah doesn't consider herself black or just black( and thats her right) the community does, just a lightskinned one.(Her father like Halle's was black) but since she endured alot of abuse(I believe 1 of her friends walked away and called her a half breed N* word when her they met her dad b/c of it and various other factors that I have no idea about she has verbally said she doesn't identify with black people: Why can't I be both? And the ? is Is she right?
   
  Halle on the other hand( also raised by a White mother) says she identifys with blacks. Her mother taught her to love herself and what she saw inthe mirrior.
  Although she faced the Same ridicules and abuses that Mariah did she found exceptance of self and her past. But also raised the same ? Why can't I be both?
  She started  an inisitive to change applications and census roles so that multiethnic people can claim "all" of their heritage not just one part.
  One of the most beautiful things I ever heard Ms.Berry say was a story of when she was a teen and some kids had degraded her she came home in tears and turned to her mother and asked: "What am? Am I white or Black?"
   
  Her mother looked at her and wiped her tears away. She said You the best of both worlds. But only you can answer that ? for yourself. She took Halle to a mirrior and made her look into it. What do you see?
  She says I look black and beautiful. Her mother said then that is what you are and don't let anyone make u feel like crap and tell you any different.
  And with that defineing moment she began to gain exceptance of herself. 
   
  I don't agree with the use of claiming the N-word back or attempting to make it a beautiful thing b/c its not. This was motivated more by greed and ignorants.
  I don't like the word colored or people of color b/c it implies that white isn't a color, or on the color spectrum. And we all know that to be false( No offense to anyone so P-L-E-A-S-E don't take any; call people what you like or what they are comfomtable with.)  African American is a 50/50 thing b/c that is so far removed and yet 400 yr apart of a history. Black american is more comfortable to say( at least for me), and "Human Being" is even better.lol
   
  Note: This is just "1" persons perspective. This could be wrong or right.

• husbandhater said on Feb 05, 2007....

  went back and read everyones comments. I came closely to identifying with Mom and Yani. Mom Imitation of life is also one of my favorites. It was what I thought of while writing this. I LOVE forums like this where you can discuss and exchange ideas. But to put a twist on the imitation of life bit. What if Susie's daddy was white or 1/2. Why should she be "forced" to except 1 particular race,nationality,ethnicity? This also is what is thrust upon people.
  When an Irishman married an Italian the  child is allowed to claim both.
  Why not this race of people?
  Japenese and white, white and spanish etc.,. these folks also? Why can't they claim both?

• MsBradford07 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I can see that you read my blog about "what is black?" and I like the comment that you made. I came to realize that being black is being conscious of your history; meaning what your parents, grandparents, and ancestors went through to be who you are and where you are. I don't consider myself being African-American because I wasn't born in Africa and if you talk to many people who are from Africa, they will say the same and black is me. I love being black woman. I feel that black women are unique individuals. I love my natural hair, my curvy body, my thick, full lips, and how many women in my family never look older.

• tbs230 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  MsBradford, I had to smile at your last sentence. So many of my friends comment about the way black people age, the way we care our body weight (usually in the breast and derrière). I find it amazing that the things that we as Black women take for granted are what some people love about us.
  
  I had a conversation with a student once about why Caucasian women get implants, and go crazy with their hair.  I will never understand this need to be something other than what we are.  I tease my friends about my natural tan, and get teased about my affinity for applebottom jeans. These are the things that make us unique, and I've always thought they were things to be embraced.
  
  husbandhater, I totally agree with you, this need to define ourselves as one ethnicity is absurd.  Why can't I put down both? I have a friend who on her application put that she was Hispanic, even though she was raised by her Caucasian mother and never knew her dad or his side of the family. Why? To get funding to go to school.
  
  I think that the only way to break barriers is to start from the top and work down. Government has to change their policies before individuals can start to change their views on what is the "correct" way to identify themselves to others.
  
  Ed, this forum is for all kinds of discussions. I'm sure that although the "Black Struggle" gets more press than any other race issues out there, there are some things you can add to make this discussion that much more insightful. I value your input and want to hear it.
  
  mom, always feel free to ask me anything you want. It's better to ask and get things cleared up than to worry about saying the wrong things. And I will definitely get that movie. Sounds like just my kind of storyline. Mom, question for you. Do you think that anything you would have said would have made him react differently?
  
  Yani, I don't mind at all. I think sometimes people don't realize that some experiences they go through are very common. You touched on something I mentioned in a previous blog, other races have suffered as well as mine. I feel that sometimes people tend to forget that. Everyone knows what it's like to have suffering in your history.
  
  Tai
  

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I really hope this blog does not disappear before I can take the time to compose
  a reply or question what I feel and think.
   
  I will tell you right up front I am really sick and tired of having to apologize for being
  white. You all can have Ms..or MISS black America all you want..but we cannot have a ms or Miss White America? Huh.?? How do you explain all that shit.
   
  Why is it that the various speakers for the black race can claim and proclaim all they want about the whites berating the blacks but the reverse is not happening?
  Hey, ride a fucking subway in NY, take the El in Chicago..see who is doing the harassing and the crimes.
   
  am I sick and tired of blacks pushing all that woe is me shit?? you bet. this goes back for 40 years of my life..so don't give me no Black Power shit..I'll shove that
  up your ass so quick you'll think the milk man was at your pad twice today with the WIC chits..
   
  Answer or comment to any of this..huh..I doubt it...

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Why do I have a feeling that fumble fuck tooth is back?

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  oH LET ME SEE...Black awareness month. ?? Where is white awareness
  month??Let examine why my daughter could not complete her scholarship at
  ASU? Let me see..three whites,,15 Blacks. Now that makes sense. Her ( my daughters scores were 1560 and the blacks ..well NONE were above 1500 and yet they got scholarships... Do you begin to see why???
   
  Am I still pissed off..yes. I will mince no words with you. You are black and you
  have your own black resources..but you want to know the truth..most WHITES
  don't have the net -work that the ni--ers have. Are you offended? Well maybe you should be I've got perhaps 30 or 40 more examples of Nigs vs chracks..wanna hear them??
  Nah..I didn't think so

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Do I have empathy for blacks, Negroes, coloreds..No fucking way. After 200 years you're beging to get the feeling they could quit  fucking with the rank and file and concentrate on the real problems..jesse fuckin' Yackons, Alfonso Yakskson and that other fucking mad mad man...you know the one...the guy that would have the streets run red with the blood of whites...get fucking' real...do I like Niggers..No..no  no...do I have a reason..I'll list them by the hundreds.

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  copsunited you weren't asked to apologize for being white
  why do you feel you need to is the even bigger question
   
  they can have a black miss america because a white one is not as rare.
  those black speakers that you talk of were anointed by white politicos
  who listened to them and gave them creedence
   
   the citites you named were big cities where the
  numbers can be messed with lets go to iowa north dakota
   
  south dakota wyoming montana utah idaho and find out the
  stats there vastly different i bet
   
  how do you know about wic chits

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  white awareness month is everyday
  everytime you open a magazine or history book
   
  you as a cop could not find the money for her to go
  thats rich did not look for a law enforcement scholarship huh
   
  you could have contacted the klan sure they have scholarship
  program that is a resource
   
  you like jesse al your choice again
  do i have empathy for people like you
  no your hood is waiting
   
  ismelltheburningcrossonthefrontlawn
  ihavetopourwateronit

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  anon..as usual..get fucked. if you want to comment..do it in your
  own name. I have no time for cowards.
   
  I said..I am tired of apologizing for being white..I maen that..and i am
  not the only one. If you want to stand on a street cornoer and anouce to the
  world that you are white and apologive for for being  a slave owner..that's you fucking problem.. Jeerk off..come on out and make your argument..coward..
   
  Let me see..cities..I said ASU...that meand cities to you."" are you as fucked up on drugs as yous seem..Oh.. Lional Jerk off..i know when you sign on.so dont get cute with me..asshole.

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Oh..and by the way..where did I mention anything about Clan?
   
  Is it again that assholes can't understand that we whites may
  have an opinion out side your narrow view of claimsmanship?
   
  If you wish to continue this "clan" conversation..just respond and
   
  I'll make sure you have a federal id number and email address for
  your tirades..Asswipe.. hey let me know for real..I'd love it..

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  last time i watched cops on tv i saw a lot more white meth addicts
  get off your high horse that pendelum swings both ways

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  anon..and why are you sitll anon..?? come talk to ME the cop.
   
  Don't hide like a silly cunt..come talk to me..MR  limp dick.
   
  I love it..high horse..pendelum swings..ah..Petual Clark fan. Get
  a pair of balls and come talk to me straght up..LOLOLOL  asswipe

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Black ness..it is only a signal of the times. the blacks have been
  bitiching for 200 years that they got screwed.
   
  We feel it is true..or at least I do..but so fucking what. No one tought to give my
  ancestors, American Indians, cpmpensation for their losses...
   
  My feeling..fuck a bunch of niggers.. they are not better..nor less than the poor whites that were indentured early in America. get over it..there is no money !!!

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Why is it that only Anon..has the ability to respond. ??
   
  From now on..anon..gets getz zip in resppnse... fuckin moron...
   
  :Lionel Jerk off..or Mobil..both fucking idiots

• Lucytorial said on Feb 05, 2007....

  We have an interesting situation here concerning blackness.  Mostt racist whites call our natives abos (aborignines), coloured no one would use, I myself prefer indigenous but this does not apply to african blacks who I gre up with (well south africans really - zulu as well), we never refered to them as coloured, blacks, niggers or anything really we referred to their origins (sth africans!) I never understood why it's so important to label someone coloured, yellow, mocha, white, what fucking ever.

   

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  everybody is related to an american indian so we
  all deserve compensation
   
  at least the indentured servants were paid
  released after 7yrs most blacks died slaves
   
  those poor whites as you call them had more
  rights and choice than blacks
   
  difference between blacks and indians was that indians
  rather die than than be slaves and they fought back
   
  slaying all that tried as a tribe
  blacks accepted their fate with no way to fight
  back
   
  while some did kill themselves and others
  they were fewer than those that stayed
   
  ... fuckin moron...

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  next your going to say jews donot have a right
  to complain about the holocaust
   
  200 years of murder rape degrading a race
  of people isnot enough to complain about
   
  did you hold the dogs or the firehose

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  It is easy to see that anon is still the moron it has been.
   
  Why not come out into the open??
   
  So..you hate American Indians and love Niggers??
   
  did i see that?? wow..good for you.. an your daughter is married
  to a what?? OMG..wow..let me know how that works out..
   
   
  you can always find em under COPSUNITED..I don't hide behind ANON..
   
  fuck head..love saying that..fuckhead..LOLOL

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  OH ps..this new anon..is a male and it's real name is Lionel jerk off..LOLOL
  '
   
  that didnt take long now did it??

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I am a black woman, always have been (lol), and I still don't know what it means to be black.  I know the history of my people.  And the history of my family, back to a specific slave homestead.  My family has also traced back to American Indians as far as we could find.  I know who I am, and what I expect of my self as a human being.  But I'm still unclear on the general view.
   
  Some people ask me if I was raised around black people because I speak properly.  Not proper, like I'm a snot.  Just correctly.  I've heard this from blacks as well as other races.  I don't understand why people (including my own) think all black people speak like they stopped at the 3rd grade.
   
  People also seemed surprised to know that I don't live in the projects.  And then think I'm stuck up when I say I don't go anywhere near them.  Not all black people live in the projects.  We're not all lazy folks that want to live off the government.  I would but they don't pay enough lol.  My mom works very hard and always has.  I live in the house I grew up in and co-own 3 houses out of state with my mom.  Everyone in my family likes shiny new things and we work for them.  Houses, family businesses, property, cars and vacations.  And that is after we have a comfortable amount of savings.
   
  Then there is the "uncles toms".  My confusion doesn't come from other races only.  My fellow blacks are just as messed up.  Why is it when we make money, try to better ourselves, maybe move into a different tax bracket, we're acting white or putting on aires.  If I'm struggling, I would be ecstatic to see someone in my situation get a chance to live better.
   
  We are CEO's of fortune 500 companies.  We own 500 companies.  We have founded universities.  We're doctors and scientists, lawyers and judges.  One of my friends, who is 24, is an engineer at NASA.  But with all of that said, I'm still unclear on what I'm supposed to be. 

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Cops: why are you so angry?  Have you had a personal encounter with a black person that went bad?  Or are you just completely racist?  I'm leaning towards the latter, because that's the only time people continuously use N-I-G-G-E-R.  I believe you're old enough to be retired, right?  In all those years of living and learning, you've haven't come up with a more constructive (or creative) way to express yourself.
   
  F.Y.I.: using the "n" word only proves there's one more person I'm smarter than.  Thanks for the ego boost ; ) 

• mom said on Feb 05, 2007....

  JD I didn't want this topic to become a racial war.  I am just trying to understand one side and hopefully get the other side to understand things from my side. 
  In answer to your question, TBS  I really do not believe I said anything that made him react badly towards me,it seemed that as soon as he knew that I knew he was black that a wall came up and I was so confused trying to understand.  The relationship ended.  I never did hate the guy, I just couldn't get close to him gain.
  I am sure that JD has seen a lot of things that have made him mad and bitter.  I haven't seen things form his side so I don't know.
  Jd from what I remember you saying is that your daughter  is married to a black man.  Do you feel this angry towards him?  I think that TBS and MsBradford are decent and should not be grouped into the group of blacks that you are referring to. 
  As for me I have always been afraid to ask things from someone who was black about being black or why things were said or done for fear that I might come across wrong.  So I appreciate this chance to find out. As far as titles, I use black to represent anyone that is well, black.  I don't want to go around saying,"hey you 1/2 black 1/2 white".  I wouldn't want for people to refer to me as anything other than white even though I am comprised of many different nationalitites.
  I used to watch divorce court and the judge Mablean Ephraim is black, she once made the comment that  there is only one race,"The human race"  That has always stuck with me, I really like that and if we could see each other that way regardless of our background I think we could break down those barriers.  I don't know if it is possible as prejudices and views run deep.  There is so much anger on both sides still.
  HH I did like what you said, so don't apologize, it did make sense.
  I have always loved "In living color"  and loved that those people could have fun without there being any real prejudice on anyones part.  They had one segmant on it where Jim Carry and that other girl, (I can't remember her name)  would call a 1-800 number and apologize for being white.  That was so funny.  The Wayans brothers received a lot of flack for their making fun of the gays, blacks, white, asians, etc.  Keenan explained that they didn't believe  that all gays, blacks,whites, asians etc were really the way they were protrayed on the show.  It was all done in fun.  It was a fun show to watch.
  I think that all of us are confused about who we are and where we fit in and how we should act and what we should say and what we shouldn't say.  I do love being able to talk about these things with no animosity.

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  i donot hate indians they run in the family line
  i just hate your ignorance
   
  ideallysublime beat you up enough
  no need for me to chime in anymore
   
  ideallysublime he is not educated
  that is why he can not express himself better
   
  remember his daughter could not get a scholarship
  he could not either
   
  wait affirmative action was not a issue in his time
  that means he was just plain ol stupid
   
   

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Hey, I don't care if you "think" you are smarter or brighter than i am..for I doubt
  that in any event.
   
  Angry at ONE event. Oh hell no. Try about 50 to 100 events. From being barred
  from an all nigger club with one of my best friends in tow..and he was black. His name was Hammer. A black man. He and I were partners and we both got our asses kicked for being in an ALL black club.
   
  My sister in law..she was very close friends with a young black girl. i told her..be
  careful..and I mean careful..she, the girl is nice but when when she gets with her
  family and friends it will be a different story.
   
  a week later she was all in distress she had been invited to a family cookout with her "friends" family. they called her cracker, honkey, white trash.etc..and made her leave the gathering in tears..now how does that jive with YOUR jive.??
   
  Me..angry..?? Oh hell no. 22 years in the military watching inept unqualified personnel being promoted ahead of qualified WHITES.. bullshit..all in the name of equalization. These dumb muther fuckers used to come to me to spell such words as "support"..or enhanced.. give me a fucking break.
   
  Go try your micro bullshit on somebody else..your stupidity is stunning and boring..typical Nigger as far as I am concerned.. and don't tell me all the great
  shit you have done. Show me..don't tell me.
   
  Angry?? No..Racist? Not on your life. I am American Indian and Irish..and you bitch about being a nigger..now way..lady..suck me.\
  OH and MY grand father was a capt. on a ship that picked up blacks on the Ivory coast and transported them by ship to the Carib..so..am I part of the problem??
  by attribution..yes..but don't try that " I am the exceptional Nigger..with me..it won't work.
   
  Oh did I mention Hundred of encounters with Niggers?? Don't get me started//on all the. we are ill equipped to respond to even ONE event.
   
  NO No..the use of the NIGGER word is real..go back in time..
   
  the word is still real..and I for one am NOT afraid to use it..politically correct or not. Want to debate that?? Cunt?? ..Now there is another word you love next to HO, Hole, Crib mate etc..don't' get me started..i investigated to many of you  NIGGERS.

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I am a puertorican female and I see no problem with me using the n word at all if i want to use it I never use it in a defensive way

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  There we go again..anon...Hates my..get this MY ignorance..LOLOL
   
  Get fucking real you pompous ass..you don' t stand a candles chance in a
   fucking hurricane against me..on your BEST day..fuckin ignorant asshole.

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  And yes..my son in law is black. My grand child is black..and my friends are
  black..does that excuse niggers..NO..and they will be the first to tell you that.
  So..when you get to feeling you are better than someone else..you'd better
  investigat that "someone " else.
   
  I;ll put my credentials up to your ANYTIME....when  I call someone a Nigger,,
  I know what I am talking about..

• Just4fun78 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Cops you had quite the response. I grew in a predominately white neighborhood, had the luxury of private education, good family and friends, but I also grew up in a racist household.
   
  My parents did whatever they could to ensure that I was not subjected to "black" people. Now if asked, one would assume that because of my upbringing I am also a racist. But what if I told you I could give you an instance at the age of 4 where I displayed being color blind? Do you believe it?
   
  For instance, I shared my ice cream with the "black" boy up the street and my parents called me into the house because they didn't want me to share it with him(they told me the story afterwards). When I was 11, I invited a friend to my house but I never told my parents she was African American. I got in trouble afterwards. These instances go on throughout my childhood and teenage years with one explosion after another.
   
  During these years, I hung up pictures on my doors and walls displaying equality among races - everything and anything I could find...only to have it torn down. I have been kicked out of my house numerous times, have even been outcasted from some of my family members and been hit to the point where a "non-biased" aunt called Child Protective because she was worried for my safety. For years, their views would not budge and either would mine. We always left it, "I understand your viewpoint but I don't have to agree it with."
   
  This has been a struggle with my parents all of my life. My parents have called me names, names so harsh I wouldn't dare repeat and have even been given an ultimatum when I dated a black guy at 19. It's not that I chose him, because I didn't, but in the end because I wasn't going to make the decision for my parents, they made it for me. I lost my parents, my home, my college education, my car, and my life. I am not going to say it didn't get me down, because it did. It took me a year and a half to figure it out. But I did and I now have my parents back in my life, my OWN home, a college degree, a car and a "black" boyfriend that I have been living with for 5 years.
   
  Some may think I am foolish for putting up a fight, but in my own little way I thought I was conquering the racism issues...one step at a time....I have yelled with my parents until I am blue in the face but their opinion has not changed, they have just come to realize, I am more important.
   
  They will always think my life is struggle because I chose to be with a black man, but they don't tell me that anymore. For the last three years, my boyfriend received a xmas present from my parents and my mother even talks to him on the phone now. This is an improvement but so far from where it needs to be with no mention of how this affects my boyfriend and how finally after three years they make an effort.
   
  Is he really supposed to forget the first 3 years we were together and how they treated it as though he was nonexistent in my life? Of course not- which leads me to believe that one can never forget the painful past. What's done is done, what people believe -they believe and it's not the racists that are being hurt it's the people who want desperately for us all to live as "Americans" that are being hurt because no matter how hard we try we can't make the impact that we want to. 
   
  People are ignorant, and sometimes those ignorant people are the people we love. It is up to us to show the way, but it is up to the ignorant people to follow and should that lead us down separate paths, then so be it.  
   
  I will always struggle with wanting to make my parents happy and choosing what's right for me. I oftenly say "I am living a double life" trying to maintain both sides of the fence.
   
  That's my story (in the short version), one I have wanted to write for a long time. My boyfriend and I consider ourselves "un-biased" but from time to time we catch ourselves making comments to one another about each other's race. He will never understand why "Dancing Queen" makes me break out the white girl dancing shoes but we compromise on almost everything, including music selection, because we are not willing to let go of who we are as individuals to become a molded bond of someone we are not. I think that's true for society.

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  copsunited is a sqwah whop
  maybe patty is better to say
   
  if i remember correctly your people
  were not to welcome in this country either
   
  puertorican do not be neive that word hurts
  someone somewhere
   
  maybe spic can be turned into a good word
  then it can be used on you

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  copsunited did you get your
  daughter to post on here
   
  just4fun78 copsunited did not mean
  to beat you
   
  he says sorry and he will welcome
  lover boy with open arms next trip 

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  What the fuck was that?? Spic on an Irishman??
   
  Are you insane?
   
  Okay..you can all deny the facts if you want. I really don't give a flying shit.
  The facts are that over 70% of American whites view niggers as niggers.
  They have not come face to face with the facts that there are blacks that make
  significant contributions to American Society. Every where you go you see
  blacks doing the same jobs as whites.. Not an iota of difference. What is
  different is that BLACKS want special recognition..special treatment. They
  want Martin Luther Nigger to come to the rescue and say ..Yo..gib ma poeplbes a leg up..givs dem wha dey deserve.. My question is What is it the THINK they deserve??
   
  Fuck that shit. I want equality across the board. White Miss USA, Black MISS USA, Black Month, White Month. If Farrakhan cans stand up and say he wants the
  streets to run red with whiteys blood ..then by God I want the sewers to overflow
  withe the blood and guts of niggers. You want a war?? Well by God you got it. I for one am tired..as I said..for apologizing for being white. You get in my way on the
  street you will be in the gutter..song chapter and verse..sing my song David.

• tbs230 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  cops, I once told you that you were welcome to comment on my blogs, and I will stand by that, even though some of the things you've written have really hurt me. I know that in your own way, they are not directed at me, because you admit to having black friends and family. So I know you're not racist.
  
  But help me understand why you feel comfortable using that word to describe anyone. Don't you think perhaps the anger you have towards the people who have hurt you is the kind of anger those same people were holding on to? I will never tell you how to feel, or that you need to let go of that anger and pain, because that would make me a hypocrite, in my own way. But could I ask you to maybe try and understand where they were coming from?
  
  I'm not asking you to condone their behavior, or say that what they did was okay, because if it caused you to hate that much then it must have been something horrible, all I'm asking is that you try to remember that conversation is a two way street. Verbally abusing someone who lashes out at you for a comment they found offensive does nothing to solve the issue. It just brings about more anger.
  
  Maybe I don't understand the issue, in fact I know I have no idea why you feel the way you do. Perhaps you could explain to me why some black people are niggers and others are not. How do you categorize who is and who isn't? Is it by their appearance, their speech, their attitude? What makes someone a nigger?
  
  Just4fun78, I have a question for you. And I hope you don't get offended. Do you ever feel like you are looked down upon for dating a black man? I ask because there was another blog about this very issue, and since I started this conversation and feel that maybe it's a question some people might also be wondering but may be afraid to ask, I will.
  
  FYI, If you feel more comfortable posting anonymously, by all means go for it. I don't care how you ask the question, I just hope you do. Also, if a comment gets posted twice, then I will delete one of them. But I will delete any comment who's sole purpose is to promote hate against anyone and brings nothing to the conversation.
  
  Tai
  

• anonymous said on Feb 05, 2007....

  tbs230 serial killers are associated with being
  white and male no one groups or degrades 
  copsunited for the faults of these other individuals
   
  yet he groups blacks together in the same group
  of individuals he swore to protect and serve
  and the horrors he seen in that time involving them
   
  how is that right or fair
  copsunited you get two months to
  celebrate march st patty
   
  do not remember the other
  there is a native american month
  count the amount of white miss usa
   
  ill lend you my toes
  count the black miss usa
  you just need your own hand
   
  now it sounds like you have an
  identity crisis you are not fully white
  the indian blood remember
   
  you would not count in the farrakhan plan
  on second thought the klan would reject you
   
   

• Just4fun78 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I am not offended at all, I am very open to this as I have been dealing with these issues for quite some time. The answer to your question is yes, all the time. Not only from my family but from complete strangers ranging from older white males to young black females. I also think he is looked down upon for being with a white woman by his family and friends. The coin can be flipped both ways I guess.

  I can come up with an instance for just about every situation. Being in an interracial relationship isn't easy, we get stared down all the time, we just laugh those people. We certainly didn't get into this relationship to have an easy life and to make others happy because I can assure you it is everything but. We live in a "gray" neighborhood so there is not so much of an emphasis on us now as opposed to living where my family or his family are in areas that are clear cut "black and white". It seems to be a good mix for us and we have minimized the stares as it has been 5 years. I think people are "used" to "us".  

• mom said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I would like to say that I don't like Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, David Duke, the grand wizard of the KKK, whatever the fuck his name is, these are radical people that help keep racism alive. I don't like bill and Hilary Clinton just cause they are stupid. LOL, I don't like extreme anything because extremism is all emotion and hate without any common sense.  I feel that indecent and stupid, and racist is not based on color but an excuse to base it on color.  That is my opinion.
   
  Ok I am done.  Please let's not fight. :(  This was a good post.

• Just4fun78 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Oh and with regards to your question to cops about how to categorize, I just posed the question to my boyfriend. He said "there are blacks and there are niggers, just like there are whites and then there are rednecks. The difference between a black person and a nigger and a white person and a redneck is ignorance. The only way to categorize them is individually."

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  To some of your questions..I'd really have to defer to my son-in-law.
  He has some
  very definitive ideas as to what is and is not a nigger. He is black.
   
  When I encounter a black person..I really do not see black. It is of no consequence. I know you are not going to believe that..but that's up to you. they are just people.
   
  Its' when they assume a negative posture..a  certain attitude that I change my thought from being just a person to a black person. Then I start to re evaluate and see a nigger. A person who is the equivalent of  white trash. Trailer tramps. Do I categorize people often..nah..just all the time.
   
  Let me first tell you some things you might not understand or know about.
   
  I was an expert interrogator. In just a few minutes of interview I pretty much had a
  handle on what and whom I was dealing with. That was my job. Was I good at it?
  Hell if I know but they would request my services in the Philippines, then Korea, back to the US to Panama to Alaska to Norway, to Denmark, to France, to Italy and back to England etc. Hell if I know if I was good but I never and I mean NEVER left an interview without knowing what the truth was..
   
  Go from there. If i felt the person in front of me was a street punk....I could get down and dirty and talk the sewer shit...about Ho's and cribs and bloods and crips and joints..good shit, smack, em..nigger weed, boofers..etc sometimes a ho was a Hole..now that was interesting. I even got to meet Holes..LOLOL..
   
  Anyhow don't ever doubt what I speak to you or what I say. That will piss me off big time. As far as the rest of these assholes are concerned..well most know shit about squat..plain and simple. I am not about to blow smoke up your ass and say..well yo be de poh black man..yo needs some spacial ;'tention. Bullshit. You are a product of the environment from which you evolved. If it was high class then you be high class niggah..if you be the middle income..the ones with the Lexus or Cadillac that shines so sweet on fleet street but the home is two rooms and a walk up on cheap street. and cold water...they be Niggers. The others the Rastafarian's that look to score a ten dollar heist on Baggier street or Market street, where the little old ladies shop..well son..Dem be the Niggahs that  Jesse Jackson wants in in legions.
   
  Now if any of this does not make sense to you..you just yell it out to me. Other wise you'd be best just to shut your fuckng mouth and agree that I have had enough experience in these matters to offer an educated opinion..Okay???
   
  are we straight here bro?? good..I thought so...Peace..JD
   
  As to the rest of your legions..tell them to go pound salt up their asses because they have no idea. I do..I know VERY well.

• tbs230 said on Feb 05, 2007....

  Just4fun78, I think I see why you're with this man...does he have a brother? (secretly hoping he has a clone out there) lol...I've always wondered why it was so hard for people to accept interracial couples. I'm glad the two of you are doing so well.
  
  I asked because I find myself attracted to white men, alway have been, but I've never dated any...I don't think it's because of any racial issues, but then again, I've never been put in that situation so I wouldn't know.
  
  mom, men who make proclamations about why they are the better race, or blame others for their misfortunes, or who prey on individuals who can help with their need for press coverage make me angry.  How is calling black people to arms going to help the poor people who have suffered?  How is keeping them ignorant of the facts going to help them resolve the issues? I completely agree with you, racism is just an excuse to stay ignorant.
  

• copsunited said on Feb 05, 2007....

  I just noticed something..There was a reference to some body beating me

  up??? What? who? Where? I saw nothing but stupid verbiage all over the

  place. if I felt beat up..well I sure did not notice it. What is with you people? I don't think in the past two weeks I've seen such similar stupidity.. Did you all go  out and enroll in stupidity 101?? Hesus de fuciking christ..get a life..here..unreal.

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Moms: I'm with you on David Duke, the KKK (any member) ans Farrakhan.  All racist.  I'm totally against any racism, from all people.  And I can even understand distaste, though I do not share it, for Jesse Jackson.  That remark about Jewish people was ridiculously unnecessary.  I don't however hate, or even dislike, Rev. Sharpton.  I love that he is there to help people.  Everyone who needs a leader, or a representative, to help fight with them.  For whatever the topic, and most groups do.  Be it for race, religion, gender, or your particular political beliefs.  I never really thought of him as being radical, just very loud and confrontational.  I can appreciate people that do things behind the scenes, but I love his "in your face"-ness.

  I don't really have a stand on either of the Clintons.  But as far as I'm concerned, politics is all about picking the lesser of two evils anyway, but that's a whole other conversation.

   

  Cops: And this is my last response to you:  Blacks are looking for equal opportunity, not special treatment, or at least I am.  I don't want you to hire me because you have to meet a quota.  I'm not looking for special grants for school or businesses.  I just want to be as a very capable human being.  And unfortunately, that's not always possible.  That is why there is affirmative action.  Because some people still view us as 1/3 of a person.  Some people view us as animals.  If everyone weren't so stupid, this wouldn't be necessary.  So blame yourself and backwards people like for Black people demanding special treatment, YOU MAKE IT NECESSARY!

  P.S.- feel free to call me what you want, I'll even help:  nigger, coon, porch monkey, spear chucker (that's my favorite), Kunta, you can even call me slave.  They're only words... just words.  And since no one's words change my SELF esteem, or my opinion of my SELF worth, it doesn't even register. 

   

  Anon:  I'm quite sure even though he hates niggers, he really loves his daughter's tar baby, so don't be so judgemental.  He's obviously NOT a racist. 

• mom said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Ideally, what did I say about the Jews?  That was anon tthat brought that up. 

  I do respect how you feel about certain leaders, I just don't share those views is all.  I will tell you, I was going to vote for Jess Jackson when he was going to run for president because he seemed to be fair, once he was out of the running he bacame a little too militant. As far as Al Sharpton, he is entertaining and he makes some good points but the part that bothers me is that he seems to yell about things that I find detrimental to the black race. When I first saw Al Shartpon he was a lot worse than he is now, it seems he has calmed down some.  Ken Hamblin another black man but conservative has said more positive things about life. Thanks for the chat :)

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Moms: you all have seen alot more of these people than me, I'm only 25.  So My knowledge of Sharpton is very limited when compared to how long he's been yelling lol.  And Jesse Jackson's Jewish comment (remember this was before my time, so I can't tell the topic of conversation, or the "reasoning" behind it) was something to do with "Himeytown".  I'm sure you've heard it before and just forgot.

• mom said on Feb 06, 2007....

  LOL, I thought you were referring to something I had said concerning the jews.  Oh yeah I had forgotten about the comment he made about that.  Yes I am that  much older thanks for reminding me :) LOL jk.

  Thanks

• tbs230 said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Ok so here's what I've gathered that's new to me in my understanding of how people (including other black people) perceive black people...
  
  The word nigger is used to define a subgroup of black people who are or act ignorant. If I'm getting this wrong let me know.  Which makes sense and correlates to what I said before about the way the term is used.
  
  Is it right to use that term at all? Well, is it right to call a female a bitch, slut, whore, etc...? No, it's not, but people do it anyway. And just like you can call someone a bitch while smiling in their face, some people do that with the word nigger. And just like when someone outside of the female gender says it, no matter the connotation, it is offensive, so too when someone outside of the black race uses the word nigger.
  
  I'm sure if cops had said he was black, I would have looked at his comments completely differently. I don't know if this is true for others, but it's true for me.
  
  Just being honest,
  
  Tai
  

• Just4fun78 said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Cops - I never commented on your response. I am not here to judge what you know or who you know, it is simply an open forum.
   
  I read what you have to say on this and alot of other blogs you respond to and respect it just the same as I do everyone else. I never doubted your intelligence but then again are you trying to prove that here? Maybe i misunderstood the concept of SC.
   
  Maybe we are not as old as you, and I do believe that with age comes wisdom, but why down the younger crowd who is still in the learning process? If anything offer your wisdom, don't ask us stupid things like did we enroll in stupidity 101? You were there once. = )
   
  tbs- He does have brothers, but noone i would recommend. He is the "black sheep" (no pun intended) in his family.He was always the different one. But don't let my talk fool ya - we have problems. You can read my blogs regarding the drama in my life that has happened recently. I had an experience with an ol'friend - the "perfect" guy in my parents eyes. I got caught up in the idea of what it would be like to finally have the life I dreamed of and got hurt because i realized i was in the love with the idea and not him.
   
  Regarding the want to date white men but never actually doing it - might be the result of a subconscious feeling. Have you ever been attracted to a white man - have him hit on you, but turn him down with no excuse? If the opportunity hasn't come up - then that's a different story. Not that I have a track record for being with many, I dated one guy for 3 1/2 years and this one for 5 years but I always felt comfortable to take the next step.
   
  This might be superficial to say but I would prefer to be with a white man because of the things that would come along with it...such as the perfect wedding, gifts to include a house full of furnishings, visiting the inlaws, kids visiting grandma/grandpa, aka the "perfect" life. In the back of my mind, I do believe it is easier because in the life I have now, I don't have the acceptance. If I have children, they won't know their grandparents, if I get married, it would just be his family by our side.
   
  It is hurtful and it is also the very issue that I am dealing with
  at this point in my life. I am at the age where I want marriage and family. He says he wants it too but we have this to do first and that to do but truthfully life is passing us by and we are not any more comfortable with the idea of getting married and starting that life together. We have a lot of soul searching to do...and apparently without help from cops! = )

• copsunited said on Feb 06, 2007....

  Tonight I spoke with an angel. It was TBS..what a remarkable young lady.
   
  It was such a pleasure to speak with an intelligent young person. Wow.
   
  You all can say what you want about me..or TBS but we the two of us are
  ideally matched in our conversations.
   
  If you have any questions..ask her..if you have any additional questions.
  ask her..LOL..
   
  What an intelligent and lovely young lady. Ask HER if JD is prejudice..
  You'll be surprised at the answer...lord love a duck..she is a magnificent young lady...

• mom said on Feb 06, 2007....

  I don't get it, I read and reread over and over and I guess I am just some ignorant 1/2 life. I think I am going into overload.

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Just4Fun78, honey your "perfect life" is according to the standards that "you've" been raised by. That doesn't mean that they are right for you or life in general. The perfect life is left up to the interpeter I think so don't  take this as a bash. You talk about the house full of stuff and thats material and you can't always take all that stuff with you. This part sounds like you want to please your parents more so than your own needs,which is o.k. we all go through that. What you have with this young man seems to be love and you can take that with you anywhere. Love knows no bounds and unlike a couch or bed can't be physically burned up.
   
  Should you marry him and produce children maybe your parents might soften nad maybe not. But is your child better off for knowing only one side which will love them uncondtionally or a side that will see his or her skin color before their individualism. See the whole picture and it will help you figure things out more clearly. Read my blog today. Maybe a different prospective will help you.   

• copsunited said on Feb 07, 2007....

  IdealySublime. I noted your comment of the last comment EVER to me.. when was the first? Why should I care if it was the first or the last? You are not important to me in any way, shape or manner. I am not a hater of anyone. I've certainly got enough labels on me to last for the next 100 years but none are what they seem. When I say you and others have enrolled in classes of "stupid"..well some have already graduated. I mean come on..KKK member? Where does all the hatred emanate from? As near as I can tell it is the ignorance of those that have hatred in their own hearts that have come forward with all sorts of tags for me..and NONE are correct. What I have said is true and I'll stand behind it.

• Zayda said on Feb 07, 2007....

  TBS--I've been following this discussion (well the beginnings of it) with much interest because at the university where I teach I have found myself on a hiring  committee.  As such,  I had to go through diversity training and affirmative action training.  One of the most interesting aspects of that training was a list of "words" or "labels" that were  considered appropriate and inappropriate to use when referring to certain groups/individual--be they racial or ethnic groups or gendered groups or individuals with special needs. 
  
  When I can get my hand on that list (as it's not here at this office but at my campus office), I think I'll share it with you all.  It was interesting and enlightening.
  
  The document of course has a caveat on it explaining that often some terms might be acceptable to certain individuals of a particular group but offensive to others.  I think that in some way is what you were bringing out with your discussion of the "N-word"; after all, it's used with different endings "-er" and "-a" and for some one ending is always acceptable while the other never is while for others neither is acceptable.  Language and our use of it is such a complex thing for our identity/identities--how we define ourselves, how others define us, see us, label us is caught up in it.
  

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Zayda, I would love to see that list. I'm glad you were able to understand where I was coming from.  It's so hard sometimes to identify what, if any, word is acceptable to any group of people. I was thinking that maybe this is something they should address in elementary schools.  Because often times, children grow up using a word they have NO idea is wrong, and then they find themselves in situations where they can't defend themselves because no one takes ignorance into account when dealing with something that they believe is hurtful.
  
  I mean I know the first thing that pops into my head when some says something hurtful is not that they are ignorant, but that they are assholes (that and a few other things).  Language is so important. Not to mention the environment in which we are raised.
  

• Zayda said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Maybe you can give me a bit of perspective here about something TBS.  When does it become unacceptable or wrong to refer to someone by the color of their skin?  I'm struggling with this issue because I am the mother of a 5 year old boy.  I'm Caucasian, btw.
  
  From about 2 through kindergarten one of the primary focuses is getting children to recognize colors.  And at that age, they are so excited to be able to identify something as "brown" or "blue" or "white" or "yellow".  The last thing any parent wants to do is discourage that excitement for learning something. 
  
  But I will never forget the first day I heard my son refer to someone by their skin color.  We had stopped at a traffic light on the way to his daycare and their just happened to be an African-American man standing at the intersection. He was wearing a blue sweatshirt and holding up a cardboard sign that said "Will work for food".  My son, innocently asked me:  "Mommy, why is that brown man in the blue shirt holding that sign?"
  
  So, I explained that he might not have enough money for food and that he was trying to get work so he could get food.  Of course, this explanation was followed by a dozen why questions.
  
  My son, still occasionally makes reference to someone by the color of their skin.  We went to an ice cream social at his school, and at the time, I didn't know the names of all his classmates.  So, he said, "Look Mommy, Jacob's over there".  There were upwards of 50 people in the room, so I told him, I didn't know who Jacob was. After telling me several times, that's him over there (which of course wasn't helpful, my son finally said, "The brown boy in the green coat". 
  
  I cringe every time he does that because my instinct is to say "It's not polite to refer to people by the color of their skin."  But then again, it is one way that we identify people.  And it was perhaps an easy way for a 5 year old to point out specifically which little boy he was referring to.  Still, it makes me highly uncomfortable that he does it, and I don't know what that indicates on my part that I am uncomfortable with that.
  
  
  

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  TBS if you talk to JD make sure he is ok.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Zayda, I think when it comes to things like that, children who are just learning, meaning ages 2 - 6 or 7, shouldn't be reprimanded about the way they refer to people. It is a natural instinct to point out what is different about someone in order to describe that person. When it comes to teaching kids about the color of ones skin, it's probably easier to just categorize. Although I must say that I don't remember ever having a problem with that with my little sister.
  
  My best advice (from someone with no kids) is to correct him anyway. If he says brown skinned say African American, if he says white, say Caucasian, etc.  You could probably explain to him, with each individual person, why the color he uses to describe them isn't quite accurate. I mean, as a teacher ( I taught Sunday school to 1st and 2nd graders) it always amazed me how much a child could grasp. I always tried to keep it simple though. "He's not quite white is he? I see some pink. I think a better way to describe people who look like him is Caucasian". Or, just explain to him that you don't describe people by the color of their skin. It's okay to tell him the man or the boy is African American. It will bring on more questions, but those are the questions you want him to ask.
  
  So that's my politically correct answer. IRL, people describe people by the color of their skin all the time. He's a five year old boy, at least he goes by color and not by other names.
  
  I do, however, think that after a certain age it's the teacher's job to make sure that these children learn the difference between the two. I had this student once who asked me why black people were once called colored, because all the black kids she knew never changed colors. I wanted to laugh, I thought that girl was a genius for asking that (she must have been 6 or 7, don't know where on earth she heard the term colored from). I told her it was because a lot of Black people were different shades of brown, so many that some people thought it would be easier to call them that. Then I told her that's why it's easier to say African American, because she will never have to worry about what the right color would be to describe a Black person if she saw one. And of course she went on to ask a million questions, one being why did I call them Black...Lord could that girl talk!
  
  My point is, your child is at a stage where everything is new to him. If you feel uncomfortable with the way he uses brown to describe Black people, just tell him to use African American, make it into a game. Ask him what color each person is and then correct him with the proper term. But honestly Zayda, the best advice I could give you? Don't worry about it for another 2-3 years.
  
  In regards to your actual question (now that I go back to reread it...sorry about that), the only time I've ever had an issue with how to describe someone, particularly someone who I want to point out to a friend, is when it comes to Black people and Caucasian people. Because if you're Asian, not yellow. If you're a Indian, you're Indian, and so on for all the other nationalities that stand out. Black people are the only ones I know of that define themselves by color. I've always found that odd. And of course the term "white people." How do you think that issue could be resolved?
  
  And to try to answer your question again...wow, I'm really bad at this...it becomes inappropriate when you use their skin color to say something negative about them. That's the best answer I could come up with right now...I guess I've been procrastinating because I really don't know what the right answer is to that.
  

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Mom, if I talk to him, I will. But I'm pretty sure that you will speak to him before I do.
  
  Tai
  

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I don't think so, he is upset with me.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Do you know this for a fact? Cuz if he hasn't said it, then you don't know if he does or not.
  

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  This is a good video to watch!

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I did some things and normally he handles people well.  I just feel responsible and he hasn't answered my emails. :(  I am dedicating a whole bunch of shit to him

  JD  I didn't mean it!  It was never Oded, it was always you!!!!!!!!!!!

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Wow thanks so much for sharing that video,  the part with the dolls I found to be very sad.  At such a young age to feel that black is bad.  That was a tear jerker.

  Alot of those girls spoke about Africa being their heritage, do you feel that Black people could go back and adjust to Africas way of life?

  Also is the term Black American ever used?

  Did you have anything to do with the making of that film?  It was really good.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  No, the film's only connection to me as that I went to school with the girl named Jennifer.  I found it odd that she felt she had no heritage...she's Haitian, and man do we have heritage! (I'm Haitian too) So I don't know about that one...
  
  I had white dolls, I loved my white dolls, I preferred my white dolls. My one black doll had her face drawn on and body parts chewed off...my white barbies? Pristine!!! Those black dolls really were ugly...they really were...hot pink lipstick, either bright green clothes or hot pink clothes...on a BLACK DOLL!!! Do you know how ugly that looked *shudder*...?
  
  Black American, that's interesting...not that I know of.
  
  All those people who shout about going back to Africa are full of bullshit, they wouldn't last a year in Africa, unless it was South Africa and they had some kind of UN protection.  Africa is about as foreign as any other country to Black people in the United States...we don't belong there anymore, I have about as much right to demand to go back to Africa as you do mom...after all, aren't we all descendants of Africans?
  

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Hey how is it that people are personally getting to speak? Where's my telephone call. I 'm sorry and I didn't even do anything!

  I don't think many american blacks could go back. They way of life in some parts is so not like here and the dietary part would grose out some if not many. I work with many africans and they describe back home(where their from and I couldn't live like that unless forced to. What would I do with out my i-pod and cell phone lol.

  They live civilized as we do(some places better than us) but from what I hear there are more rural areas than most. I'm getting this from co-workers so don't bite my head off. Also they don't consider us African. Why b/c we are not from there. I've been told this on more than one occassion.

  Black American is used.

  TBS chime in about the film....Waiting....(Laugh)

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Lol TBS how true!
  Oprah did an experiment with a white family where she transported them to Africa. The kids got sick and threw up from the cusine.I think it was goat intestines or something. They freaked b/c the goat died.
  It'd be the same thing with a black american family I think. No electronics and stuff. No signals for cells and stuff they really had to adapt to this way of life.
   
  Hatian huh TBS. Cool.

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I don't know if I am, as far as I know I have no African blood in me. :)  I will have to investigate that further.  I have American Indian, irish, english, moron, turkish, french, and some others.

  About your dolls, a lot of the black people during the 70's dressed like that.  LOL it was pimpin'  lol  Bright flashy colors, lime greens, oranges, reds, and hot pink lipstick, big fluffy hats,  elevator boots.  But the 70's were a strange time for everyone. I used to wear the hip huggers, hot pants, moccasins, nehru jackets, big huge earrings.  Oh my now when I look at the styles, I just want to wretch.  They say styles come back around, I really hope they don't.

  I like the term Black American.  It seems less confusing. :) 

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I always say that I'm Haitian American, simply because I was born in Haiti, and so were my parents...the way I see it, if you don't know the name of the city you're family is from, then you are an American, and that's it...nothing else!
  
  Those styles, although they looked good on some people, do NOT look good on Black dolls...they were just UGLY! Hip huggers came back, not too bad, bell bottoms made a quick reappearance...the Afro is huge now...no pun intended...and the bright colors were big in the summer. But if I EVER see all those things put together, I might have a heart attack.
  
  The oldest person in the world was found in Africa...scientifically proven, and I haven't heard anything to prove otherwise (but that's not saying much)...so we are all from Africa...no matter what you believe in, those Apes we descended from? African, Adam and Eve? African...well maybe Mesopotamian...so that might be debatable...
  
  
  

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  HH- I don't have anyones phone number either, I do have email addresses, I can give you mine if you want. 

  I saw a documentary about some place in Africa, at least i think it was, and I don't think it was Ethiopia.  Anyway it was so awful.  The water was so bad and unless you had money you had to drink from the river where everyone had gone to the bathroom in.

  It was so nasty, what tore me up the most was the small children, so sick, and having to endure that.  I wanted to adopt them all.  The water had parasites in it.  It was pretty disturbing. It also showed where some children had died or on the verge of death, there was even a shot of a mother who had died in the street and her child was sitting next to her.  It made me cry.  I also saw one about Romania I think.  I can never remember the name of the places but I remember the stories.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  HH, I'm telling you, no cell phones? No way to watch my reality TV? NO COMPUTERS??? Hell no! I don't even think I could go back to Haiti for a long period of time, and I was born there!

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

   Mom I'll be waiting. Tbs lmao b/c I understand. I remember watching different things on different on t.v. about different lands and saying I wouldn't be caught dead there. But haiti has t.v. right? I know its kinda poor as a country but they have more than some African nations.
   Did you catch my post on my family tree?

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Yes, Haiti has t.v., the only reason I know this for a fact is because my grandmother has been watching her ABC soap operas since my mother was a kid. So, yeah they have t.v. and electricity. But you can forget all that when there's a storm.
  
  Haiti is beautiful, but it's also the poor country in the Caribbean...so some parts aren't any better than parts in Africa.
  
  Yes I read your post...do you think you have enough cultures in you blood? lol, I wish I was that dynamic!
  

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  lol I forgot about the tropical storms TBS. Yes they can do their share of damage.Do you lik Idol? I'm trying to read write and concentrate on the yokells.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I was stuck in one of those things, man...funny thing, people were running around like the sun was out. Bunch of crazies, but I love my family.
  
  Wow, is it on??
  

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Was it funny at the time? Or not until later and out of danger.

  Yes the idol is on in my neck of the woods.

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Do you realize how many comments you have on this?  Wow, very good.  Did you think it would get this much attention when you first posted it? LOL

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  I was funny at the time...my family members are crazy...it was my cousin, damn fool that he is...but I was about 7, so I thought every thing was cool...except the bugs. I got bit once and came down with a fever. Scared me silly.

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  Mom, honestly, I thought it would go the way of all the rest of my blogs. Some really decent comments, then gone, never to be seen, even by me, ever again. I'm pleasantly surprised.

• husbandhater said on Feb 07, 2007....

  TBS someone wise once told me it is amazing when a blog you've written takes on a life of its own  (wink* wink*)

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  TBS obviously this was a most excellent topic.  I guess controversial is good.  You are so popular young lady :)

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  hmmm...Lost is on

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  You think so? I only need a few people who I know care...screw being popular! And you do realize that the comments are only from a very few people. I'm just glad people are interested.
  

• anonymous said on Feb 07, 2007....

  this is the puertorican female again i dont care what anybody calls me wetback spit or spick i dont care it dont bother me because i dont give a fuck and i know what i am but thanks anyway i have children by a black man that i oh love so much and i am allowed to say whatever i want whenever i want to say it

• tbs230 said on Feb 07, 2007....

  hey mom, I'm going to send you an email so you can have mine too, ok?

• mom said on Feb 07, 2007....

  okie dokie, :)  thanks hon

• purrrkitten said on Feb 08, 2007....

  So this is what I've been missing? I guess I should put my two cents in then too.

  I'm from Western Canada. From lower mainland BC, in fact. I didn't grow up with many African Americans (I'm at a loss of how to explain them cuz I don't like "blacks" as a term). There were more East Indians in my area as well as asians, dutch, german, whatever. I had friends in all cultures and, to me, I didn't/don't care what their skin or anything else looked like!

  Now that I'm in Alberta, there are more Metis/Native North Americans where I live. That doesn't bother me either. One of my best friends is NNA and I love him dearly. I credit him for me being alive today. If he hadn't been there for me in some of the worst hours of my life... ((((((((((((((BG))))))))))))))))

  My parents weren't as non-racist when I was growing up as they are now. They gave me grief over a close college friend who was NNA too. They were afraid that I'd have a love relationship with him and they didn't like that. It made me incredibly angry and offended that they would look down on him so. They're much better now.   :-)

  Here online or in RL, I don't care what "color" you are, I care about YOU. I would happily die for any of you that I call friend. ((((((((((((((((((my friends)))))))))))))))))

  purrrrrrrrrrr luvs ya all!  ~^^

• silverwhisper said on Feb 08, 2007....

  tbs, i think you should consider deleting the comment w/ the e-mail.
  
  ed

• Zayda said on Feb 08, 2007....

  Yes, you should really delete the comment containing the email address.

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 08, 2007....

  mom: I've heard the term Black American used before.  I think American citizens tend use terms that show their heritage, so you know exactly what they are.  I think, just my view.

  tbs: In my experience, nigger is only used in context by older people.  People who have been through the struggle.  My grandmother only uses that word when she's talking about someone doing something stupid.  But that starts to change with each generation.  People have gone from fighting against the use of the word to trying to come up with excuses for why it's okay to use it.

   

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 08, 2007....

  HH: I think you're right about the Oprah thing. I think anyone from the "modern world of excess" would react that way.

• copsunited said on Feb 08, 2007....

  IdeallySublime..are you male or female.  I am having a problem there.
   
  Or maybe both..please let me know.. it is not of HUGE consequence but enough
  that I did think it was important...

• IdeallySublime said on Feb 08, 2007....

  I think in my first comment I said I'm female

• mom said on Feb 09, 2007....

  When we lived in a trailer park, there was a black family that lived next door to us.  I don't want to say their names so we will just call them the smiths.  They were some of the nicest neighbors we ever had.  They were really family oriented.  My son David at about 3 years old loved Mr. Smith and would go over to their house and knock on the door and ask Mrs. Smith if Mr.Smith could clome out and play.  Mr. Smith would come out and play with David, he was Davids' buddy.  One time David asked Mr. Smith if he could lick his hand, and when Mr. Smith asked why, David told him that he thought he was made of chocolate.  I don't make a big deal about color with kids,  they are so innocent and if you don't make a big deal, then they are more likely to accept the differences.  Sometimes in our efforts to  educate our kids, we point out things that they may not have noticed for a long time and when they do it won't be any big deal. 

   We have moved from that trailer park and I still see Mrs. Smith once in awhile and we hug and Mr. Smith loves my sugar cookies, every Christmas when I make my Christmas treats I always send him a plate of cookies.

  As far as the titles, I have had to changed the titles from , colored, negro, blacks, African Americans.  I am used to saying black and that is what I will probably use till the day I day. 

• copsunited said on Feb 10, 2007....

  I have not commented in here or on this topic for some time.
  To those of you who do not understand me..it's easy to see why you
  would be upset.
   
  I have spoken with tbs on two occasions and we seem to have found a middle
  ground.
   
  It goes back to what I have said many times, on deaf ears, I accept people as they are. Not Black, white, brown, yellow or well..what else is there? Oh yes,
  Pink as I have been called pink many times. Bothers me not.
   
  What does bother me is that people with serious attitudes or prejudices cannot
  or will not confront those real issue. they mealy mouth it so bad it makes me want
  to puke.
   
  Now, listen, blacks are portrayed in movies as being the drug dealers, the pimps etc. Only a few blacks are the super men who fight crime. Rarely are they portrayed as such. Is there a reason for that? I really don't know but the stats
  are such that it reflects 3 times as many blacks being arrested for crimes than whites. The prison populations are  60 % black 26 % "other" and 14 % white. Hmmm is there a clue there or is the system to blame?
   
  When I was a cop who gave me the most trouble? Ah..well guess won't do it..it was the black people Why? Hell if I know. Not just the perp but the whole neighborhood. Yelling obscenities about race.
   
  Don't tell me it didn't happen. I was there and you were not.
   
  Of course Ms. IdealySublime did not see it..she wouldn't see it if were
  happening in her living room. What a snob she is. Wow. Her nose is so far
  in the air she can smell a rats fart on the Island of Guam with a westerly
  wind. I bet she's fun at a party.
   
  Anyhow..getting back to those Issues I think are important. We all form our
  opinions based on what we have experienced. If you lived in the Hamptons
  in NY..on the Island..you would NEVER see a nigger.Nope. What you would
  see is that lovely old black gentleman who does our rose gardens. Of course we
  are not sure of his name or where he's from but he's only been with us..oh may 25 years..
   
  Uh huh...
   
  Before you start getting your asses up in a roar..can anyone of you tell
  me what the capital of Haiti is..what the language is?? Huh..?? can you?
  Nope and if you admit it to yourselves..you have NO idea anything about
  the Island or the other half of the Island. Amazing how you know so much
  about how bad a person Cops is..but Not much about the argument you
  are involved with. Now do I know..um..yuppers..been there too.
   
  Who knows I 've been there..TBS already knows cause we talked about
  it.
  Well..enough on the topic now..
   
  Am I mad at  anyone..no..not at all..but disgusted comes close.

• mom said on Feb 11, 2007....

  Port- Au-Prince.

• tbs230 said on Feb 11, 2007....

  mom, you are absolutely precious and correct.
  
  The language is Kreyol Ayisian...or Haitian Creole in English...
  
  Well the other side of my island would be The Dominican Republic. La Republica Dominicana, capital is Santo Domingo...language: Spanish
  
  But somehow, I don't think you were asking me...
  

• mom said on Feb 11, 2007....

  Always glad to know something about the people I tell my most intimate secrets to.  You just read my mind and heard me think, "I would love to know more about TBS."  :) hugs

• copsunited said on Feb 11, 2007....

  TBS..you are so right hon. I wanted to know if others had a clue as to
  where you were from and what may have influenced you.
   
  Everyone jumps down my throat because it's easy to do. I leave the door
  wide open..as you know..i speak exactly what's on my mind. Many can
  opine and bash but are truly clueless.
   
   
  Any how..sugar..we all want to know more about you..you are a magnificent
  person..I am truly impressed and adore you...wish more people had your
  temperament and view of the world.
   
  JD

• tbs230 said on Feb 11, 2007....

  You know, JD's question has got me thinking. Was slavery in America so horrendous that it outdoes the horrors that occurred and are still happening in other countries?
  
  I'm talking about Darfur, and Germany and even my little island where Haitian were treated like second class citizens by Dominicans.
  
  How does one rank cruelty? How do you rank cruelty?
  

• mom said on Feb 11, 2007....

  I think any crime against humanity is bad.  I can't say which is worse because  I have never had to go through the atrocities.  There has been so many and it all sickens me.

  I went to Alabama in 1972 and there was still segregation.  The  bars were segregated, bathrooms etc.  It was really a culture shock for me.  I went through a part of the city I was visiting and it was like a step back in time during Shirley Temple movies.  The little girls running around with torn dresses, barefoot, little pig tails all over their heads.  The houses they lived in were shacks.  We had gone shopping and we got out to go inside this store.  A black guy was walking on the street and when we got out, the guy crossed over to another section.  I asked why he did that, I was told that blacks don't walk lon the same side as whites.  That was strange to see.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 12, 2007....

  i think mom's right that cruelty is cruelty. the notion of playing some kind of ethical algebra of suffering makes me very, very uncomfortable.
  
  ed

• tbs230 said on Feb 12, 2007....

  That's my point exactly. I wonder why some people think that things done to them is of more importance than others.
  
  Everyday I hear about racism, and discrimination...and I have to ask myself...do these people get to home at night and bitch? Do these people have avenues where they can complain and make a change?
  
  And every day I think yes, yes they do. We need to learn how to look outward, how to empathize with those that don't have those resources. How can we ask others to be sympathetic to our cause if we ignore the plights of others?
  
  I don't know, I think Americans have such a huge sense of entitlement. We sometimes forget that what got us where we are today was the notion that people are created equal, and therefore, their needs are just as much our own.
  
  lol, in case you hadn't realized I'm really into social justice and reform.
  

• copsunited said on Feb 12, 2007....

  Sugar, you are so right. Americans see everything in terms of black and white..well let's re-examine that.Now its gotten a tad bit browner.
   
  The founding fathers..whites did not conceive of blacks being real human beings.
  There were a property. A dependable tool like a tractor or thrashing machine.
   
  It was hard to break away from that ideal while slavery was still present on
  many peoples minds for years and years after the civil war ended.
   
  Now..today..our entire economy is based and driven by the "slave model"
   
  I know some are going to get all riled at that..but the slave model is why we
  workers..still work and big business still pats itself on the back.
   
  The entitlement mentality is helping to kill this nation. We need to wake up if
  it's not already to late.

• mom said on Feb 12, 2007....

  Everytime there is some form of atrocity, it is caused by a race, religion, or government that think they are that much better.  There is a mentality that believe it is better to destroy rather to understand. We often hate what we don't understand.

• RollingC said on Feb 13, 2007....

  Keeping tags on this and will comment later... as usual I found this blog late... lol.

• RollingC said on Feb 13, 2007....

  Still haven't finished reading all the comments here but 'nuff time for that later. 
  My two cent's worth is this:
  I don't give a good hot damn about the color of your skin or what  you actually look like.  As long as we can communicate and we can be friends in the true sense of the word....back me up when I need it and I'll do the same....be there for one another is what it's all about in this little game called Life.   I've had my own family members turn me down in times of need and long standing friends of mine....one Black and one Chinese...stand up and rush to my aid...no hesitation on their part. That's what it's all about....  My family now are my friends and my "  blood family " I now treat like acquaintances that one meets in the park or supermarket or such.  As far as I'm concerned it's the heart you put into a relationship that counts....not the color of your skin or even the academic excellence that you may have.
  

• mom said on Feb 13, 2007....

  Very well put Rolling :)

• copsunited said on Feb 14, 2007....

  Rolling C..only I could have put it better..but you beat me to the
  spoon. the next time your shorts get to tight and your breasts are
  beating in tune with your creamy thighs I want you to think of the
  beautiful parts of the porcupine.
   
  It makes no sense to me that you would kiss you bicycle and lick your
  shoe like that. It is a horror and unthinkable that the salt would be that
  lacking in your diet.
   
  Cant you ever get the snitzel to align with the dumoflatchi? Gees.
   
  Well enough said..I think you got the bell on the target of Chinese cuisine

• RollingC said on Feb 14, 2007....

  Ahhh.... and that's only just for starters... for Chinese cuisine has a property that gets you started and then later you can rent while you get another. There are only so many plates in Poland you know but that didn't stop them from drinking the Vodka they had invented and the Russians stole.  Only when the milk curls do you come screaming with such feeling. Even though sometimes it's the other way around the mulberry bush you can always push it there. It behooves you not to run out of gas.
  

• copsunited said on Feb 15, 2007....

  It was the rice. I know it was the rice. Rice stays with you for maybe 3 hours at most and then the rental agreement is gone. Rice is good for the State Department but makes terrible Vodka. Vodka leads to drunkenness and of course
  we all know that a drunk horse can shit its weight in rice in 2.6 seconds flat. IF, and only if the Sun is in the house of prostitution. When the Moon comes over the
  mountain we can see kate smith as the object de jour. But for your bringing this
  up we'd never have a chance to review the peristaltic reflex product.

• copsunited said on Feb 15, 2007....

  Blackness is great but I think to much has been made of the color, on both sides
  of the issue. Blacks want to be black and want to retain their ethnicity but what is
  it? We know that blacks came for Africa but it was hundreds of years ago.
  the blacks of today, here in America, have no concept of the tribal life they
  lived in poverty ridden Africa of then. Sure they can go there, get a clue like
  the colors and head dresses etc but that's not what is all about. The real
  part is gone. I went to Ireland where my ancestors came from. I saw how they
  lived, where they lived, I got pictures of it all. So you for one second think I
  want to go back and experience that squalor ? Get real. hey, be proud of
  the fact that you have a heritage, but live like Americans..assimilate into it,
  enjoy an McDonalds burger.. you are here..you enjoy it..quite bitchin' about
  it and like Rolling C said..I'd trust my buddies, black and white more than
  I would some of my own family..and that is a FACT.

• rebel_fag said on May 31, 2007....

  hi mom i know its been a a bit long since u made a blog about the issue of blackness.am new in here so i just came acroos it.the reason why most ppl cant see beyond the colour of your skin is that because the world has become more racially concious such that its been taught even by most of our parents that intergration is wrong and that it can never work.by the way is it true that in the united states that ppl of colour are at risk of attack by white ppl in america coz i was watchin a programme titled "nazi america" in the history channel and the notion tht was given in the programme is tht white ppl are more intorlerant against negroes than other race.if its true i would be glad to know the reason behind it,

  thank you.

  frm

  rebel,

  united kingdom

• javadewd said on Feb 28, 2009....

  Whyz da streen gots tah be white, while da lettahz gots tah be black, yo? Y'all wants da blacks tah beez 'n da minority! Y'all tryin' tah keep da black man down! Word. Shee-it. Mutha cracka!
  
  Does anybody care that black-on-black violence in America is on the rise? Does anybody care that the offspring of rednecks continue to immitate gangsta rappers? Does anybody care that black comedians are more publically outspoken racists than some of the worst KKK members? Why is the NAACP even still here? The man ain't whitey no more. The man was never whitey. If anybody is being enslaved anymore, it is by character, class or tax bracket, not by the color of one's skin. You take a census swath of a prison population in America and you can see that it's almost exactly the opposite dynamic as the general public. If you don't want to be enslaved in America, take responsibility for your own actions and act like your personal sovereignty is actually worth something! Stand up, America.
  
  

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