• SeanRenaud said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Honestly I'm of mixed feelings.  Now don't get me wrong I'm not defending pedos.  I am however saying that our age of consent is too high 1 and 2 that it's kinda sad in some of these cases when they do get through that we don't blame the children or the families at all.  EVERY kid knows by age 6 not to talk to strangers.  If a 16 year old girl invites a 30 year old stranger to her house, for sex, when her parents are out as long as she survives and has no broken bones she deserves what she gets.
   
  That said the show is damn good and its funny to watch the guys.  Specially the ones who know what's up.  Course considering that these guys are pedophiles (at worst, I stand by my belief that if the girl "looks" legal your not a pedo for wanting it.  Hillary Duff was just as bangable 9/26/05 as she is today) Anyway moving on I think the use of force is a bit excessive.  If they are pulling guns and rushing guys they are rather certain is an unarmed peice of scum it makes me able to believe that they open fire in other stuations. 
   
   

• silverwhisper said on Jan 31, 2007....

  of course you enjoy it, purr. there's no form of life lower than a pedophile. seeing them get psychologically curb-stomped is therefore fun.
  
  ed

• purrrkitten said on Jan 31, 2007....

  *shakes head*

  sean, I don't know if you comment like this just to try and people all riled up or if it's just your age. However, you keep thinking like that and we'll all be watching you hang your head in shame on that show some day....

  Once again, ignorance of youth comes a-shinin' through.

  silver, you know it man. I think that those who harm children and old people are the lowest of the low. And to sexually degrade and molest a child even in her/his mind is still sick and should be treated as criminal intent.

• silverwhisper said on Jan 31, 2007....

  purr, i don't think you're reading sean the way he means. i've known him for a while. the man is no pedophile.
  
  while i hate pedophiles and wish them all death, i don't know that punishing people for thoughts instead of actions is at all a good idea. that way lies madness, if you ask me, purr.
  
  ed

• husbandhater said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Yes and I'd like to be Deputized to Taze the Bastards. Someones gotta look out for our babies. Go Date Line! Thanks Puurr. I'm gonna start watching.

• purrrkitten said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Alright silver. I apologize. Maybe it was harsh. But it's harsher to say that a child deserves to abused or raped or molested cuz she should "know better". NOBODY deserves that - especially NOT a child. You should know how it is... at 16 you still think you're invincible. Even adults are meeting people online so how can a child be expected to know better?

  HH, I believe the second half of this pedo show is next Tuesday night. Check out the website and watch for the advertisements coming up on it.

• SeanRenaud said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Ouch purr, sticks and stones.  Even if I were a pedo I wouldn't get caught.  All joking aside though first I am serious that the ammount of force they use is excessive and if this is normal it does make me more likely to believe that cops shoot people for getting out of cars and shit.  I ussually believe that we should err on the side of the police because of the situations we put them in.
   
  http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/18406/Sex-and-young-girls That pretty much covers my opinion.
   
  Its ok to be harsh, my choice in language is partially to make sure I get your full attention.
   
  Tell me what makes the magical difference at 18 though.  Explain to me how your daughter magically gets smarter at 18 than she was at 17 355/356.  Yes adults are meeting on the internet and I have nothing against that so long as they protect themselves.
   
  Maybe PART of the solution here is that we need to teach our kids to be smart.  Don't meet strangers alone.  Bring friends, do it a public place, etc, etc.  Maybe part of the solution is answering enough of your childrens questions about sex that they don't feel the need to gather their information over MYSPACE.
   
  I'm only 23.  I remember quite well what it was like to be 16, or 18-22 and a Marine.  Or 23 and opening my own bussiness.  I've got a pretty firm idea on what it's like to feel invincible.  Still I've never driven drunk.  The only time I had sex without a condom was my fiancee at the time after dating her for 3 years AND her being on the pill.  I've met several of my internet friends, some of which were considerably older than me.  Never did that any place but a mall food court. 
   
  Stupid is its own reward.  I personally fail to see the magic difference between 16 and 18.  If an 18 year old puts herself in a bad position I have limited pity.  As long as no lasting damage is done it should be considered a lesson learned.  Don't be stupid.  Its not ok to be stupid at 16, its not ok to be stupid at 20.
   
  @Husbandhater:  Someones gotta look out for our babies. Go Date Line!
  At least you admitted to wanting to sign up yourself before saying somebody's got to look out. Way to go for personal responsibility though.

• copsunited said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Now...here's the thing. If anyone came near my grandchildren and attempted or even did touch them..it would the the last thing they ever touched with that hand and I guarantee they would squat to pee for the rest of their lives.
   
  That having been said:
   
  It was NOT that many years ago that if a female did not have a husband by the age of 14 she might be an old maid at age 16.
   
  Before you get up collective butts in an uproar..it was NOT that long ago.
  Girls are WOMEN LONG before boys are men. they actually enter into
  child bearing age at 14....yes ..oh yes they do. Are the children of children
  healthier..?? Yes.
   
  There is / was a book...shoot...I think the title was Jane Gray..she was a
  maid in the service of a "Lord" and she was not married , because she did not want to be, by the age of 16. It is a fascinating story that covers the next 5 years of her life. It was TERRIBLE because she was a Sexual Consort to aVis Comte, she wound up in America in the early 1700's...oh I know..you say that was LONG time ago..but it really wasn't.
   
  I KNOW...I KNOW all the disclaimers that we are different etc etc..but the fact
  is that the primordial drive in humans has not changed in over 7000 years.
   
  Do young women give off pheornomes?? You bet. Are males the happy
  receptors??? you are catching on.
   
  the LAWS are there to protect our children..but where is the law when all this
  shit happens to YOUR loved one???
   
  Personally I love the program..it rocks....!!!!

• purrrkitten said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Actually, I know that girls mature faster than boys. I know that girls were married at 13-14-15-16 old maid. However, in this day and age, we have babied our kids and they do NOT have the skills (most of them) to be "adults". Back when we were marrying at 13, the adults in the village taught the young couple how to live as responsible adults. People were taught their lifeskill trades from the time they were old enough to hold whatever they needed to help along.

  This pedophile thing isn't new. It's as old as time only it was more acceptable at one time as long as you married her. Sadly, too often, this only perpetuates the myth that we women cannot succeed in life without resorting to using sex or our bodies to get anywhere. If we are nothing but breeding machines just because we're young or female, we might as well just go back to the dark ages and sit at home and sew.

  You're right. There is no magic number. There is no magic transformation. But when you look back at what you yourself were like at 13-14-15-16, what do you see? Were you mature enough to not just have sex but to hold a job and support a wife and kids? I doubt it. Were you thinking with more than just hormones? Were you even aware of the dangers around you in the world? Were you more concerned with being popular or getting a car or playing basketball? For goodness sake, I was still (secretly) playing Barbies when I was 15, for crying out loud!

  Can we really expect a 13 year old girl to not get sucked into meeting someone who'll hurt her emotionally and sexually - scars that last a lifetime, whether you choose to believe it or not - when so many older (not old just older than 18) have done similarly stupid things?

  JD, I'm with you. If anyone molests my kids, I will slit his throat.

• SeanRenaud said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Actually if I'm not mistaken girls these last couple of years have been menstruating (if womanhood doesn't begin then,then when?) at 9-10. 
   
  Girls are women long before boys are men?  I suppose that's true, assuming you also accept that a woman is defined by being able to bear children where as a man is defined as being able to care for a family.  Otherwise boys only hit puberty (on average) a year after girls that isn't LONG.
   
  For the record I never said anything about women being useless save to breed. 
   
  I wasn't mature enough to have a child or a family.  Newsflash at 23 I'm still not and won't be until my bussniess is farther along than it is now.  That is why I use condoms AND my S/O is on birth control. Of course you point out that we babied "our" children to the point of crippling them.  They make bad decisions because WE made bad decisions.
   
  At 23 I still wake up a 7 am to watch Saturday morning cartoons.  I likely know more Pokemon than your grandchild and I've actually turned down work (granted that I didn't need) because it was going to interfere with the season finale of Xiaolin Showdown.
   
  Can we expect a 13 year old to respect herself and her family enough not to invite a man into her home WHILE her parents were out?  I should hope so.  If I'd EVER done something like that ym mother would have destroyed me.  Are you telling me, even if it was a harmless meeting with a fellow 16 year old and they were playing Playstation that you wouldn't be VERY VERY upset with your daughter for intentionally going behind your back and inviting some one over when you were out?  At what point are you allowed to DEMAND respect from your child?
   
  And for the record if your 15 to 90+ if you meet a stranger without friends, family or atleast a very public place I have minimal pity for you.  Just like if I were to walk into a KKK rally shouting black power (I'm african American btw) if I get kicked around well a lot, that is the reward for being stupid.  Is it right?  No.  Do I deserve to be beaten and possibly killed? No.  Was it my own fault?  At least kinda.  Not to take away from the actions of the KKK but honestly that was a stupid situation I put myself in. 

• ALIENated said on Jan 31, 2007....

  Well, here we go. I have been saying for quite a while that all the gay crapola was only going to open the door to hell. So let us all walk in and start sacraficing our children to political correctness and perversion. I am just glad my child is grown. I had no trouble having sex with teen girls ... when I was a teen. Older guys trying to hook up with teens need to have their balls removed ... and sown to their face. That show makes me uncomfortable like most reality shows do. I cannot stand to watch stupid people being stupid. I get enough of that at work.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 01, 2007....

  these things have nothing to do w/ one another, alienated. if you really thought about it, you would see that. but go right on, associating things that are completely unrelated.
  
  ed

• copsunited said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Just to put things back into proper context..I was refering the primordial or
  basic sex drives. I agree that LAWS have changed..OUR particular
  society has changed but NOT the baser..( I said baser) instincts.
   
  WE call them predators..and rightly so, but..huge but....this was NOT the
  case that long ago. Men in their late 20s and early thirties were making
  deals with families for the hand ( and everyting else) of girls in their early
  teens.
   
  My point being that we object to it..we abhor it today but even in the recent
  past in AMERICA  it was different. In other parts of the world that same
  practice is in effect. A certain Shah had over 60 wives,,he was 55 and the
  youngest 13..so..is it an instinct thing..a drive that moves and shakes men?
  Or is the LAW changing what the reality is.
   
  Again..I am not defending it..just trying to explain it...
   
  touch my children and find out how much I really care about laws at that point.
   
  JD

• copsunited said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Alien..what Gay stuff.?? Did I miss something?? Never saw it. Sorry.
   
  Silver what is Alien saying that is not correct? Seems he had a valid
  thought and took it through. Are you perhaps reacting to the Person
  and not the Print? You have a habit of doing that you know.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 01, 2007....

  alienated quoth
  i have been saying for quite a while that all the gay crapola was only going to open the door to hell. so let us all walk in and start sacraficing our children to political correctness and perversion.

  
  JD: i was referring to this, where alienated draws a connection b/n gays and child rape. i've seen that argument made before and it's nonsense, b/c if it were valid, that would mean that straight men are drawn to rape little girls b/c they're gay. it's an argument he and i have been having for months now.
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 01, 2007....

  What Alienated said is pure bullshit.  It is based on the idea that pedophiles, gays, rapists and bestiality are all part of the same human being.  You do one and you're likely to do them all.  The logic stands only if you believe that all of them are harmful behavior where as I only view 2 as being bad.  Rape and pedophillia.  Pedophilla as I mean it will be defined as sex or attempted sex with an individual who is not yet sexually mature.

• copsunited said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Well..I do see the connection now. but that seems to stretch things.
   
  Why, if gays are permitted access to all the here-to-fore prohibited
  legal rights would that lead in any way to child abuse or pedophiles??
   
  I am lost on that one. I am probably one of the most conservative individuals
  in the US..but..well..screw it..I got better things to do right now...
   
  Time to find a willing female..preferably in heat..and has access to
  my cell phone and is right around the corner..and may have
  a canvas covered back to avoid abrasions..and..well..no spurs..Jennifer where for art thou...
   
  I got off target...JD
   
  Ed..got your point. Well taken. Good defense...JURY say NO GUILTY>>>

• silverwhisper said on Feb 01, 2007....

  JD: thank you, sir.
  
  ed

• purrrkitten said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Oh, I understand you alright, JD... It was (and not too long ago and still in some countries) when a girl/woman was bought and sold as property. She had no value - or at least, no more than a good breeding cow. She had no worth except as a bargaining tool for her father and then as a son-maker for her husband. Whether or not it was to do with instinct or internal drive, I don't know. Perhaps it's because the younger (and therefore stronger) girls had a better chance at survival during childbirth.

  I do disagree with you, ALIEN, on this one. I have a cousin who is gay and believe me, he has NO interest in children or women. I think I do understand what you are trying to corrolate it to tho. Are you trying to say that if we allow gays to take over marriage (which is a touchy moral subject for many people) that it could well open the door for pedos to say, "well it's the same for us as a basic human right to have sex with/marry who we want"? I know that there are many people who fear just that.

  This is a delicate subject for me. I was raped as an adult and I know how much damage to my soul it has left. For a child, it is a thousand times worse. I know what normal sex and sexuality is. An innocent child does not. I think puberty has started coming earlier and earlier from the hormones injected into our meat supplies to make them grow faster and from the preservatives and chemicals found in just about all our food now. It is proven fact that repeatedly abuse young girls with develop early as well. It doesn't make it right to have sex with a child just because she looks older. Doesn't every pedo say that to her? Just read the chats saved on PervertedJustice . Then tell me how these "innocent" chats can't do harm to a child...

• purrrkitten said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Oh, hey! In putting up that link, I noticed that they're airing a whole series on NBC. Tuesdays for Feb 6, 13, 20, 27 and Mar 6th.
  ~^^

• purrrkitten said on Feb 01, 2007....

  In fact, here is the chat log from one of the ones they arrested on the Monday show. Warning: this is VERY likely to turn your stomach.

  Read it and tell me that this man doesn't belong in jail...  I dare you.

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Without a doubt he belongs in jail. I'm not denying that.  I currently think that the line should be drawn at 16, at which point I start defending the difference between "Right" and "Legal". 
   
  But back towhat I was saying earlier read that log.  Then think about the kind of ignorance that had to be installed in a girl not to have blocked a creep like that long before a 3 month period had gone on.  (I'm assuming there are more than just three logs, these were just the worst of them).  Bad things happen to stupid people and our best form of protection is education.  Attacking this problem like this is no more effective than shooting drug dealers.  You want to get the numbers down EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE. 
   
  Anything else is feel good bullshit.

• purrrkitten said on Feb 01, 2007....

  I've read quite a few of their logs. They tell you when they have chatted longer than what's written on each file. In most cases, there is grooming and sexual chat within one or two days of IM-ing.

  Education IS the best way to do things. But even the educated get fooled sometimes. And what about those children whose parent don't give a rat's ass about them? The ones who fall thru the cracks? The ones who don't know anything more than (sexual or otherwise) abuse? What about when your kid goes over to a friend's house and that kid doesn't know better? What about the parents who think, my kid's smarter than that, it'll never happen to my kid...? What about those parents who "don't like to think about things like that" so they pretend those things "don't happen where we live"? There are still parents who put a computer  in each child's room where they can close the door and do whatever they want online. In this day and age and with all the education we have, it still happens.

  The guy that I linked to from Monday thought he was talking to a 13 yr old girl. If you watched the show, he actually brought the rope and lube and other stuff he talks about in the log to the bust house. They had ... what?... four days of chat logs? And if he was that "prepared", how many times has he already done this to a real child?

  Doesn't that scare you? If not for you, for your eventual child? Or your nieces/nephews? Your eventual grandchildren? It sure scares the hell out of me!!! But then again, I have four small children to worry about. And I already know the aftereffects of something like this on someone's life.

  I'm only 35 to your 23, Sean, but sometimes I feel like it is 100 years older than merely the 13 that it is. At 23, I was already finding out what it was like to live with an abusive husband who cheated, lied, used me financially and sexually, and raped me at the end when I dared to say I was leaving. If I'd have stayed he would have ended up beating me like his father beat his mother, him and his siblings.

  I was 24 when I left him.

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 01, 2007....

  You've had life experiences that I haven't had, that much is obvious. I won't comment on your hubby cus honestly anything I say is going to come out harsher than I mean it to be.
   
  There will always be children that fall through the cracks, those with abusive parents.  As for thinking your child is smarter than that if you didn't explain to them fully what is and isn't acceptable behavior and WHY then they probably aren't.  If you don't like to think about things like that then you shouldn't be a parent and your children run the risk of paying for your sins. Same as they do if you don't give the basic lesson about not taking candy from strangers.
   
  My parents put a computer in each childs room where we can close the door.  We had our own passwordsand several other "no nos" according to net safety.  I don't see a problem with that and when/if I have kids I intend to do the same thing.  But my kids won't be ignorant. 
   
  Now I can cut parents a little slack since honestly the net is a new enough thing that the experiences you and I have going in are vastly different than those our parents had.  Hell 13 years ago when you were MY age the internet wasn't in most homes yet.  it was still kind of a new and weird thing.
   
  The guy you linked had 3 days of chats covering a 3 month period.  Just knowing how the net works I suspect there were lot of conversations in between.  I know even net friends I don't keep in touch with talk to me at least every three weeks or so.  In most cases there would have been a phone call or two also by this point.
   
  No it doesn't scare me because nobody in my family is stupid.  Even the most naive one, my younger brother only meets myspace friends at the mall.  Never goes to their homes or invites them to ours.
   
  Without prying, didn't you have any friends or family who would have came and kicked his shit in at your request?  I mean I don't even know you and if you told me that somebody inside say 100 miles of LA was bothering you I'd ask for an addy and get my good deed for the year out of the way early.

• purrrkitten said on Feb 01, 2007....

  Thanks, Sean! As far as my (first) ex is concerned, yes, I have a good friend who even now would go straight over and beat the hell out of him. I'm betting there are a few people who would offer. My DH would do it if he thought that somehow it could help, I'm sure.
   
  But it wouldn't. It wouldn't change the past. It wouldn't change him. I'm positive, as far as he knows all he did was hurt me in past tense, not change the way I veiw sex or the world or men forever more. I feel sorry for him. He doesn't know a better way of life, tho I tried, I TRIED so hard, to give it to him.
   
  It doesn't excuse what he did. It won't change that he, at least once, choked his new exwife in a rage, the way he did me. She put him in jail for assault once. Then divorced him, I think. I haven't seen or heard from him in eight years. Although, I know without some serious councelling and maybe not even then, he will end up repeating his past and the abuse with each new woman will become worse with each time he goes through one. His is not the only story out there.
   
  We can't protect everyone all the time. It is an evil world. No matter what we do - educate or capture in stings or put in jail - there will always be more that don't get caught. It's just not possible. We can only do the best we can to help educate our children - boys and girls - and to do those things and keep those laws to the best of our abilities.
   
  But how I wish the statistics were not one in three girls and one in eight boys. That is too too many. So many hurt and destroyed or passing on the pain...

• mom said on Feb 02, 2007....

  LOL Alien, hon you stepped right into that one, I am still laughing.  hugs Alien and I love you but try to stay on task.
  I am with Purr on this, there are 2 types of people that I detest.  Pedophiles and bullies.  But I have to say something.  I have seen a lot of teens 13 on up that have come onto guys much older.  Sometimes they egg these guys on.  It is true that men should know better and be more mature and have more self control.  I also know that some of these girls look much older than they do.  Some of these girls will tell guys they are 18 and have a relationship with the guys, then later find out that they were only 13, 14 and the guy goes to jail.  On the other hand adult guys are chatting with these girls and telling them they are 15, 16 years old.  We know that kids can be quite dumb in their teens,  I don't have the answer but I think that it does come down to a parent being more involved in what their child is doing. We sometimes put a computer in their room hoping that it keeps them entertained and out of our hair.  Kids get curious and go to find out how bombs are made, or how to make meth, whatever, and it is all right there on the internet.
  IM and chat rooms are real prevalent and teens talk to people that they don't know who they are nor do they care.  All they know is that the person that is chatting with them says all the right things and they lie.  So that person no longer is a stranger, they seem harmless, it is a hotbed for all the perverts out there.  I don't agree with guys doing this but I also feel that teens should be held more accountable for their parts in it also.
  Just my opinion, I won't be watching this show as it all just makes me sick.

• ALIENated said on Feb 02, 2007....

  You homo-lovers have no idea what I am talking about.
  
  http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/47687/Closing-Pandora%27s-Box#
  
  

• silverwhisper said on Feb 02, 2007....

  actually, we read you and your homophobia just fine, alienated. i guess it's been a week now since your last post about gays. it must've been killing you not to blog about it again. you should let go of your repression. it's better for you.
  
  ed

• purrrkitten said on Feb 02, 2007....

  As I was discussing what has been put on here via everyone's comments and arguments, I realized that we have been in the process of blaming the children for this instead of putting it where it really belongs - on those that abuse those children! We are arguing as to whether or not a CHILD has any responsibility in being party to their abuse!!

  Whether or not the child acted older or stupid or whatever, whether the man "just chatted bullshit" or not, A FULL GROWN MAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS INVOLVING A CHILD!!!!!!! The men involved in these predator stings have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they WILL MOLEST A CHILD IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY just by their actions - not just discussing sex online but by going to a child's house when the parent isn't home!

  A man with an honorable desire to help a child will not discuss sex graphically online with a child, nor will he find out when the parents aren't going to be home so they can go over to "protect them from their own selves". Don't you think if he really cared, he'd ask the police to check in on the child instead of driving two hours to bring booze, drugs, condoms, lube and videos?

  If we're going to blame a child for being molested, we'd better start blaming ourselves for being raped too. I, for one, have already been through the self blame and reached the other side and I'm not willing to go back and change my mind... I DID NOT DESERVE TO BE RAPED NO MATTER WHAT I DID TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT. Self blame tries to tell me that I did.

  Sorry if that was a bit harsh, everyone.

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 02, 2007....

  No your opinion deserves to be heard.  However until we stop telling people that they don't have an obligation to protect themselves things like this will continue to happen. 

  I'm not defending these men (save in cases where the girl was, 16, lied and could be believed etc etc.  I'm sorry I shouldn't have to card girls I meet in the club but that is literally what it is coming to. 

  I'm mostly asking and nobodyis giving an answer is when does a child stop being a child?

• mom said on Feb 02, 2007....

  I fully understand what you are saying Purr.  I agree that men should be held accountable for their actions like predators.  I guess I quit seeing girls as children around 13 years old. 
  When I worked in a factory there was a girl that worked there, she came to work one day and told about how the FBI barged into their home and arrested her 17 year old brother for child ponography.  They took his computer and everything.  I said that he deserved ot be arrested.  She said that he was going to put some site up, so girls and guys in their teens were sending in nude photos of themselves for him to post on the internet.  I had a hard time buying the child pornography issue.  To me that should be called something else and that child porn should be a title given to 12 years old and younger.  If it is forced sex with anyone then that will always be wrong.  Those teenagers should have some kind of punishment for putting their photos out there, right along with the guy who was posting them.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 02, 2007....

  mom: the problem is that the line has to be drawn somewhere. is the idea of a middle-aged guy stroking it while looking at a 14 year-old girl somehow more revolting than if he's looking at at 12 year-old girl? cuz i gotta say, both ideas make me wanna drop a cinderblock on his head. i leave it to you to guess which head i mean.
  
  ed

• mom said on Feb 02, 2007....

  No I never agree with it at all, I guess I am not making myself very clear.  I know that  the line has to be drawn somewhere and for me I would have it at 18 if I could.  I am just saying that the term "Child pornography" doesn't draw up images of teen girls but of actual children, small children.  I hope that we all raise smart kids that know how to stay out of trouble.
  If my teen age daughter was doing things to entice older guys or putting themselves in a dangerous situation I would come undone on her and I would have the guy arrested and  ask to have the key thrown away.
  LOL Silver I know which head. 

• purrrkitten said on Feb 02, 2007....

  Exactly, silver! I can't answer your question, Sean, cuz I don't know what the answer is. Each person mature physically and emotionally at different times than others. No, you shouldn't have to card a girl whose gone to the club. No, teens who have sex with other teens (tho, I have a very difficult time with say a 19 yr old "dating" a 13 yr old - we all know what he wants and notice it always seems to be the guy who's 19?) shouldn't be charged foolishly. But if you don't have a "teen" at the end of your age number, you shouldn't be trying to have sex with those that do!

  We have the "limit" there to protect children from the predators. There is always someone who's got to abuse the law cuz they don't like their daughter's 17 year old boyfriend.

  Perhaps the teen posting naked teens should have thought just a smidge more about what it meant to be posting his online friends that were underage. Did he think only teens were going to be looking at those pics? Or do you think he thought about all the sickos who get off on looking at young boys and girls? Probably not. But the damage is done already! Those pics will be SOMEWHERE else that some creep is passing on to his creepy buddies. You can guarantee it!

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 02, 2007....

  Each person mature physically and emotionally at different times than others.
   
   

• mom said on Feb 02, 2007....

  I don't really think that kid thought that far ahead, he was just looking at doing it.  I am not sure that he was wanting to make money or fame.  I thought it was pretty stupid to do at all. 

• copsunited said on Feb 02, 2007....

  On most issues I really try to see all sides  but with molesting a child is
  to far out there for me.  I really got my butt in a huge  pile of crap over the  issue when I wasinterviewing a child molester.
   
  The kid was 19 almost 20. He as an airman overseas. He was considered an
  out standing person. He was asked by his boss to baby sit his two children.
  their ages were 6 and 9, both girls.
   
  He claimed he was playing with the oldest and she was "frisky"...what ever that
  meant. He helped the children prepare for bed and was wrestling and
  playing with them. The 9 year old was naked, from taking a shower and
  was crawling all over him. He said it was fun and that he had never had
  something like that happen before. He actually laughed at that..I grabbed
  him by the tie and pulled him across the table and hit him so hard that
  when he fell backwards I almost strangled him. Turns out I broke his nose.
  That got me suspended for three days and a letter of reprimand.
   
  Those letters become a permanent part of the record and it hurt me in the
  long run. My boss asked me if I thought it was worth it. I said yes but I should
  have hit him three times and taken 9 days without pay..the sick fuck. It
  was one of the best feeling I ever had but my job would not permit it.
   
  I was barred from doing child molester cases for several years. Would I do it again..oh YES..
   
  Now to the other issue. I have met and worked with gay people many times.
  I have found them kind, sensitive and good people. I don't condone it and
  dislike the idea entirely but that is their choice. Does that make me gay?
  I hardly think so. Live and let live as long as they don't bother me.
   
  I do not like the idea of their having special laws to protect them but I had nothing
  to do with that aspect either.
   
  I have found that gay bashers and homophobics  to be dangerous people and
  basically sick. Some carry it WAY to far such as that kid in Wyoming that
  was tied to a fence gate and left to die a horrible death. Now that is a horrible thing. Murder just because he was different. Being gay by no means leads
  to child abuse...anything but.
   
  JD

• purrrkitten said on Feb 02, 2007....

  Sean, that said - I haven't met any 13 yr olds that truly think or act like adults.

  mom, more than likely it WAS just sheer stupidity on his part.

  JD, I really admire you. You stopped at one punch. Having seen firsthand the damage done, I don't think I could have stopped at one. Reading that bullshit just put my stomach in my mouth... So sick to justify what he was doing... *shivers*

  I think the same of capital punishment. It should fit the crime. I don't think that anyone should be tortured, no matter what they did. For child molestation or rape, a man should be castrated. If that doesn't stop him, painless execution. I think of it this way: if a dog gets rabies, it can't be cured. It becomes a danger to everyone and everything around it. It must needs be destroyed to save others. If a man cannot control his sexual urges around children (harm/death of the soul) or is a repeated danger to others (harm/death of the body), he should be treated in the same way to protect others. There are those in jail right now who have proved over and over that they can not or will not change. How is paying for them to live life in relative comfort and peace helping those they've victimized? How is protecting those who will become the next victims when they escape or have "done their time"?

  Everyone should have their chance. I don't think that you should have your hand chopped off for stealing or your face scarred for protesting. Sometimes people steal to feed their starving children. But no one needs to molest a child for any reason.

  I guess that's a whole 'nother topic again, isn't it...  :-p

  I'm gonna have someone yelling at me for this one...

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 02, 2007....

  I fucking hate when Soulcast does that and cuts off half of my statement.
   
  ...

  Each person mature physically and emotionally at different times than others.

   

  Which clearly means that it should be dealt with on a case by case basis.  You can't draw an imaginary line and say everybody on this side is ok and on that side isn't.  We already deal with criminal intent on the other side case by case.  I can find cases going all the way down to age 11 of children being tried as adults.  So clearly when there is no penis involved children grow up a lot faster.

   

  Let me ask another question.  Now assuming the information is correct (England in particular, Europe in general have been known in other cases to play with numbers to make them seem smaller) Why does Europe have less child molesters, less rape, less teen pregnancies, less abortions, less everything negative and sex related than we do despite having a legal age of 16 and more sex in their media?  All the things that we claim corrupt us they have more of but less problems?

   

  The simple fact is that our current method is failing us.  Its time for a change, unless you like the way the world works right now.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 02, 2007....

  sean, isn't there a possible problem in that it may not be reported as often?
  
  ed

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 02, 2007....

  That is what I said about Europe fucking with the numbers. But they would have to be fucking ALOT of numbers.  But I started by saying assuming that information is correct.  We could look at Japan's numbers, if I recall they show similar trends.  So does Canada.  I'm not sure about Mexico though.

• silverwhisper said on Feb 02, 2007....

  ah, i obviously missed that. my bad.
  
  ed

• purrrkitten said on Feb 02, 2007....

  It isn't even always the higher ups messing with the numbers on statistics. Many rapes go unreported. (I never reported mine, either.) There is just so much shame and secrecy involved. Even worse, the victims are afraid of being treated as tho they have "asked for it" in some way or other. Too many have been treated that way. Even the children, as we've been discussing.

  Ever hear about the seriel killer in russian that murdered so many women cuz while it was communist, they told everyone that seriel killers were only a free world problem? His killings were supressed by the media and government so he got away with it for many many years. I'm sure there are more stories just like it out there.

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 02, 2007....

  So am I and I'm aware that many, if I'm not mistaken its believed to be most rapes go unreported.  I'm guessing though that the same amuont of rapes go un reported everywhere for the same reasons.  I am aware of the stigmas that follow these women. 
   
  Just like with the children we need to double solve this problem.  On one side we need to make sure that the blame is placed on the predators and thathey are brought down. Then we need to teach women and children (and men) how to live defensively.
   
  It would be wrong to ever say that a woan deserves to be raped.  However at what point can we start really telling people to examine their lives?  At what point to you tell college girls tha getting drunk at a party with people they don't know and without friends or even tellnig people where they would be is at he least irresponsible and likely to be dangerous?  So many of you are comparing sexual predators to animals and I quote "I think of it this way: if a dog gets rabies, it can't be cured. It becomes a danger to everyone and everything around it. It must needs be destroyed to save others. If a man cannot control his sexual urges around children."  That there is something wrong with these people, that they are out of control.  What we've seen on Dateline supports this.  Seveal of these guys had heard of Dateline stings before, some even knew it was happening in they're area yet they still came. 
   
  All I'm saying is that our current system does not and cannot work, and that in addition to changing our laws to reflect reality instead of puritanical ignorance that we need to stop hiding the truth from ourselves and our children.  We need to start teaching them to identify dangerous situations and avoid them.  This includes but is not limited to the following:
   
  Screaming black power at a KKK.
   
  Getting so drunk you don't know where you are (period) with strangers.
   
  Inviting people to your house, or going to theirs when you don't know the person.
   
  Kicking wild dogs.
   
  Driving drunk (we figured that one out pretty good)
   
  Not excercising.
   
  Disagreeing with Sean Renaud.
   
  Voting Republican.
   
  Ok I'll stop now.

• purrrkitten said on Feb 03, 2007....

  LOL "Disagreeing with Sean..."   :-p  LOL

  It is true that people are and have been warned about such things as drinking too much with strangers yet there are MANY people - men and women - who do just that every weekend at the bar. Or driving drunk - yet still do so willingly and stupidly - even AFTER they get caught doing it and license suspended!

  We can talk until we're blue in the face about these things but it doesn't change those who can't/don't/won't see it or say that it is their right "as an American/Canadian" to do what they want. It also doesn't change those who prey on them.

  Any parent worth their salt tells their kids 'not to talk to strangers' but every day, your kid meets strangers at the store while shopping and you say to them, " Say hello to the nice man." Predators know all the games to get a kid to not be "strangers" anymore. I teach my kids that they must ask permission to go ANYWHERE with ANYONE - including their friends. I have taught them to use their gut instincts and to follow them (if they feel "bad" about someone to NEVER trust them and to come home right away). Usually, gut instinct is the best thing to go on and is almost never wrong.

  All the same, if a man decides that he wants something from a woman or a child, there is VERY little that we can do to stop him. One of Ted Bundy's victims was taken with a swift knock on the head in less than 10 minutes walking between her dorm and another. Even a woman who knows self defense doesn't have a chance if a man is waiting in the back seat of her car to bash her on the head. Even a child knowing what to do if he/she is ever grabbed, can't stop a man from snatching them from the neighbors bushes as they walk by coming home from a friends house.

  That is why we have to do our best to stop them all. Second chances come at a price, I'm afraid. And I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to let my kids or my mom or my sister or my grandmother be the next sacrificial sheep...

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 03, 2007....

  Ok now we are changing the parameters of the discussion.  There is a difference between a girl INVITING a man over, for rape/sex, while her parents are away and a man waiting in the back of her car and hitting her with a brick and taking advantage of her.  Just like there is a difference between robbery and armed robbery.  I'm not saying that either is right I'm definitely saying that this is one of the distinctions that needs to be made.
   
   

• purrrkitten said on Feb 03, 2007....

  Yes, there are different types of each. BUT, just because someone is "dumb" enough to do something like that (I prefer innocent or naive) or abused enough already to only know that kind of "love", still doesn't change that an adult is ALWAYS more responsible for their actions than a child is. If a man knows better and a child knows better, who do you think is really more responsible?

  All a child knows is trust and it is a hard thing to break them of that without scaring the bejeebers out of them and doing damage that way too. Finding a balance between having them constantly living in fear of what could happen and pretending only 'bad' people have bad things happen to them is what is needed. And it's not as easy as all that cuz each child is different and sees things differently too.

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 03, 2007....

  We can agree on that.  I have no problem with anything that you said in that response.

• purrrkitten said on Feb 03, 2007....

  Good!  :-)

  I like you too, sean, even if I don't always agree with your opinions... 

  ((((sean))))   ~^^

• SeanRenaud said on Feb 03, 2007....

  I like you too. 

• mom said on Feb 04, 2007....

  I like all of you. :)

• purrrkitten said on Feb 04, 2007....

  Awwwww, mom! I wuv u 2!!!! hehehehehhehe....  ~^^

• shortone said on Feb 09, 2007....

  We live less than 10 miles away from the sicko Devlin who had Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby.  Those sick people are all over the place.   There is nothing that anyone could do to a person like that that would not upset me.  Can you imagine what they have done to their victims???!!  People like that get what they deserve....and they deserve no mercy- either here on Earth or when they die.  Just be aware of who is around you and always be cautious with your children and who they associate with.  It seems you can never be too careful these days.

   

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