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I’ve been thinking quite a bit recently about ‘claiming behaviours’ and the manner and context in which they take place.

As a parent I claimed my children, my actions helped make them mine. I chose their names, I decide what clothes they will wear, how their hair is styled, what things are acceptable behaviours in my home, in my family and I am instilling the values I believe in rather than those of another. And now they even smell the same as me…

As a home owner I have claimed my space. The furniture is arranged to my liking, the colours and fabrics are my choice, that vase is placed just so, those curtains tied back, the kitchen is arranged to my liking and I know that my things are here with me, where I want them.

But there are other instances where claiming behaviour plays its role. That of lovers and that is what has been keeping my mind preoccupied these last few days.

There are those romantic gifts, those clothes that he or she might not otherwise have worn had you not given them, those foods to share, a piece of jewellery perhaps that signifies ‘taken’ and of course the ultimate symbol of claiming the wedding ring.

And yet my mind is contemplating other areas where claiming behaviour might take place, the scenarios that could be played out as lovers mark their territory and I can’t help but wonder if these behaviours are influenced by whether or not one believes the right to make that claim exists…

That secret kiss, the love bite where no-one except you might see it, the marking with ejaculate and other bodily fluids are all actions that scream ‘mine!’ and, of course, there’s the physical act of union through sex, a powerful statement of claiming and being claimed.

Are these more pronounced when the legitimacy of that claim is perhaps not as strong as one might like or do they simply occur no matter what the circumstances?

So what are your thoughts? What experiences of claiming have you had? Am I obsessing over nothing?



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  • silverwhisper said on Jan 30, 2007....
    once upon a time, back when i was single, i was...i guess "involved" is the best verb...w/ a woman. she had a boyfriend that she was seeing, i had a girlfriend waiting for me back home.

    we had a two year relationship. she never stopped seeing her boyfriend (she later married him) although i broke up w/ my girlfriend at the time. it was the classic tempestuous relationship: always fighting, loads of hot sex.

    while i lacked the vocabulary to explain this at the time, in hindsight i can see that the idea of "claiming" her when we were together became a very powerful and very attractive one.

    in that context, claiming and the appeal of doing so most assuredly was strengthened b/c she and i were never really together in a formal sense.

    ed
  • kruuyai said on Jan 30, 2007....
    Hmmmmmmmmm, Alyss, you've opened up a can of worms.  I really hate it when somebody tries to "claim" me, and I try not to "stake a claim" on anyone else. I prefer to come together with someone in joy and with voluntad on both parts.  My boyfriend in Mexico was big into "claiming."  He would even refer to my body parts as "his."  There's nothing that will send me running faster, than someone trying to own or posess me rather than just be with me.   I know this isn't really what you were asking, but that's what came up for me.
  • Alyss said on Jan 30, 2007....
    Kruuyai thank you for offering your thoughts.

     I think that there could easily be a negative connotation to 'claiming' especially in the circumstances you describe, however I was thinking more of the voluntary, mutual kind of claiming.

     And certainly not an attempt for ownership. That would not sit well with me either.

  • secretlife said on Jan 30, 2007....

    alyss:  i don't think it has to do with the legitimacy of the claim- i think it's unconsciously part of how we act in a relationship. 

    when i was in my 20's and even my early 30's, i was very much like kruu....just the idea of someone trying to site ownership of me in some way i would take as a complete insult.  to be seen as a possession felt like an insult.  it made me an object...it made me 'less'...

    boy have i changed in that regard.....

    nowadays, i am much more tolerant, and can say i even like it when someone i care about talks about possessing me.......it makes me feel valuable.  and i'll also admit, it makes me feel sexy.  of course i'm sure this has to do with the submission thing as well.  it makes you see the world a bit differently i think.

     

  • mobil said on Jan 30, 2007....
    No Alyss, this is a primal thing. I walk with my dog and watch as he sniffs
    what he considers his turf. Lifts his leg and marks over where others have
    marked before him. He even scratches with his hind feet to spread his scent
    around.
     
    Almost every manner of animal has a method of claiming or marking. So,
    why wouldn't we humans have some similar deep rooted sensibility about
    this?
     
    As a male, mine is more a role of protector. Don't fuck with me or mine. I
    am not so much into possessions, but I look after my flock. That type of claim
    and of course what I consider the more normal sexual claiming.
     
    Club on shoulder, dragging woman into cave..............haha
  • sweetsoul said on Jan 30, 2007....
    Just posting so I can comment later/keep track of the discussion. Interesting question.
  • beyondtheveil said on Jan 31, 2007....
    Funny how many ways this word can be used. Funnier still, I don't ever remember using this word in a sentence in my life. I don't claim tangible items, I own them. I never claimed my children, they were a wanted responsibility to care for. I never claimed a girl or my wife, they wished to be with me.
     
    Claiming is not a word in my life. How bizarre, now that I think about it.
  • mom said on Jan 31, 2007....
    I am somewhat territorial.  If a woman looks  like she is flirting with my husband in a way that is more than normal, I will attack.  If someone screws with my kids, I will attack, it is like what cousin Vito used to say, "You toucha my family, I breaka you face".  Other than that I am pretty easy going.  As far as the house goes, my husband is critical of how I do things so I just let him rearrange the furniture and whatever.  My opinion doesn't matter that much to him.  So fuck it.
  • EvilTwin said on Jan 31, 2007....
    You, my dear Alyss, have claimed my love.  And my heart.  And my soul...
     
    It's not an act of submission, nor do I view it as an act of ownership.  Rather a mutual sharing.  Between soulmates.  Between us...  
     
    And what marks we might make are for us, and none other... 
     
     
  • peedee said on Jan 31, 2007....
    Hi ! Alyss, I am a victim of disrespect by my mother, elder brother's widow, sisters and their spouses, the brother and his better half because of my failure to claim my right being the next in hierarchy of my late father and late brother. And when I mustered the strength and courage to build up my claim the rogues have stopped talking to me instead of admitting their mistakes.
  • gingersoul said on Jan 31, 2007....

    Alyss......you call claim what i might call surrendering.

    Because in the moment you surrender to the power of your feelings you are powerless about it.

    You can not  claim more than you can claim. Its out of yoru hands.

    If i love i dont surely "claim" my partner as he is an item  i have to declare at the custom before entering the love territory..

    Even when i was at he peak of my fiery proclamation of independence in my 20's and even more in my 30's i have always been careful not to confuse the natural law of love with my golden rules in man/woman relationship.....

    claiming is natural as breathing when you love..... 

    Because when i love i claim attention, emotional sharing, support, passion and intimacy. Intimacy brings up another natural claim that goes along...monogamy. If i love i turn in a monogamous person. Therefore i claim the same from my love. Or i will suffer. 

    I guess you are trying to deal with what you can ask from your new love what you can't...you are marking your emotional new territory because your map is brand new and you dont  know what to do yet and where to go.......

    ET seems all dressed up for the ride...he is tracing the itineary and is asking you to draw this map with him...:-)

     

  • CreativeWoman said on Jan 31, 2007....
    This one is hard for me to answer.

    I can only think of a few times where I have felt "claimed" by someone special.  I can think of many times where I wished someone might claim me.  When I say claim, I mean someone declaring he wants me for his very own and meaning it.

    It just makes me sad to think about it.

    CW
  • Alyss said on Jan 31, 2007....
    I am amazed by the variety of responses and all are so thoughtful!

    For me the desire to be claimed is quite strong right now. Perhaps that's because of my relationships being all at sea or perhaps it is a reflection of how my understanding of my self and my needs has been growing recently.

    LIke SL, If someone had attempted to claim/mark me in years gone by I would have been livid and violently objected but now I'm really not so sure I would.

    I think ginger's comment about it being about surrendering is apt. To surrender to your own feelings and allow someone to surrender theirs in an expression of love sounds like a wonderful thing to me.

    And she is also correct in that I don't know how this new relationship will work out and the desire to stake my claim to it IRL is very, very strong.

    And ET, unsurprisingly we are in agreement. ;-)

  • hotaka said on Feb 03, 2007....
    This is an excellent topic, Alyss. I can remember when a girl and I had fallen in love and she was off across the country at university. Her boyfriend was scheduled to come and visit her from Japan and she hadn't told him about us yet. I accepted that since he had already purchased a ticket she didn't want to tell him to cancel. Besides, I thought it might be good for her to see him again and be sure that her feelings for him had gone. To help move the situation further in my favour I sent a dozen red roses and a framed photograph of the two of us together to her. That way I felt I was securing my place in her heart and 'marking my territory' for the other male to see. He never saw the gifts though. She told him about us a day before I sent the territorial markers and I didn't have a chance to speak to her until she called me to thank me so much for the bouquet. At least my gifts got to do half their job.
  • gingersoul said on Feb 03, 2007....

    Hotaka....i really like the way you call your loving behavior  a "marking territory tecnique".....

    yes, that's what we do ...we mark our territory but not only in our lover's heart........first of all we mark our own territory.......

    Alyss.....but isn't it a wonderful map the one is waiting for you to be traced?...{hugs}

  • Alyss said on Feb 04, 2007....
    hotaka, what a lovely way to stake your claim. ;-)

    ginger, if it really is for real then yes, it is. =)
  • hotaka said on Feb 06, 2007....
    Romance, Alyss my dear, I still believe in it. Sex isn't the only tool required for a passionate relationship.
  • Alyss said on Feb 06, 2007....
    Glad to hear that romance is not dead hotaka. In fact I am being persuaded of that by ET. =)

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