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Now I know I am not that heartless & mean.

I came across an article about Camille Paglia & this quote caught my attention:

 

Paglia's sexual flamboyance ( 'my own natural amphetamines keep me in this state'), which subjects everything to the same passionate invective, obscures the sense of what she is saying. She considers that rape is an 'outrage', but that 'sex involves danger' and that feminism must slough off the Seventies, poor-me 'victime-culture'. She is now 46; in 1964, she and her fellow graduates slept in all-girl dormitories and were told that the outside world was too dangerous for them. Part of their struggle then was for the freedom to take their own risks. Now she has nothing but contempt for women who drink too much, go back at a man's room & then cry rape, 'running to Mummy and Daddy; it's infantile'.

Her rap goes something like this:

"You see white women in the streets and they are wearing Walkmen, no bras, they're jogging along merrily, just jogging along. GOD white women are so stupid [hands tearing at short hair]. I like streetwise feminism. I LOVE prostitutes and gay men. They know the dangers of the street - when they go out on a date, they know they are going to have sex. They get beaten up, left for dead, and do they go running to some grievance committee? Do they say [coy girl's voice] "I did say yes, but now I've changed my mind"? Oh I'm so embarrassed for women. So what if you've had sex? What's the big deal, the problem? Gay men just have brunch and commiserate with each other about the night before.'

 

Here is the thing, way before reading this article & knowing about Camille Paglia, I've been thinking the same thing about rape victimes. The main question I always have is: "Why did you put yourself in a situation where you could get raped?"

 I've tried once to start a conversation on a messageboard, but people were outraged & refused to be rational with that problem. Until today, I never seen anybody accepting that the victim also participates to her own rape. I mean, damn! you won't be dressed like a whore, go to a party, dance flesh to flesh with a man half-drunk & then expect him to behave rationaly.

Can someone tell me there is a part of truth in what Paglia says & what I say?

I just want people to stop being hypocrit & so egocentric for a moment. These women  are all playing captain-save-the-poor-girl-who-got-raped-after-she-offered-a-blow-job-to-her-boyfriend-&-then-realised-she-was-not-ready- to-have-sex. I mean F**** you!!!! Have some common sense!

I've been a teen & I've been there. I've been teasing my boyfriend while I was still "innocent & virgin", but as soon I was realizing that I could actually have sex with him, I was so scared that I had to say something to avoid the moment.

How can someone blame Myspace for not protecting teens from predators? what are the parents doing? Since when are kids supposed to be dressed as whore & use sexual languages on the internet? Once again, I've been there & I've done that. Maybe if parents were doing their damn jobs, less teens would be abused. I'm just saying. 

"Oh My God! My girl have been raped by an adult she met on the internet!!! The man is a psycho!!! How can he ask for the adress of my girl & offer to pay for a trip to his city." Hello! what about saying your girl was stupid or better, she was testing her power of seduction? Your girl is a freak, deal with it! (I am a freak myself, so you can take my word for it.) 

I start worrying about myself. Maybe am I heartless, cruel & selfish afterall. So, please tell me I am not the only one thinking like that.



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  • silverwhisper said on Jan 30, 2007....
    absatou: i just found this blog entry as a related post in another blog entry i was reading.

    i don't agree w/ paglia, b/c while being in the situation was unwise, at what point does the rapist lose culpability for his actions? you aren't arguing he loses all responsibility, right?
    ed
  • Absatou said on Jan 31, 2007....

    of course I'm not arguing that a rapist has no responsability. I'm talking about women who put themselves in a dangerous situation, then refuse to accept that they are also responsible for what happened to them.

    If people were more conscious & less hypocrit, we would have less cases of date-rape.

    parents for instance can't just say: "It was this boy's fault" then shut up. They have to agree that they didn't protect their child from the rape. Why don't they agree that if they didn't allow their child to go to a party where alcohol & immature boys met, nothing would have happened. Better, why don't they teach their girls that being sensual has consequences.

    This is in a sense what Paglia says. If you put yourself in a risky situation, don't complain when something happens to you. You take the risk to go to a party, you take the risk to get drunk or to be too sensual with a man. Logically, whatever happens, happens because you wanted it.

    Nobody owes us security. We should not feel free to do whatever we want then refuse the consequences of our actions.

     

    could you give me the link of the entry you've read, please?

  • silverwhisper said on Jan 31, 2007....
    absatou: my problem w/ paglia's thinking is that if i am at home w/ a trusted friend and there is a loaded gun on the coffee table, what responsibility do i bear when that friend picks up the gun and shoots me? you don't appear to be distinguishing b/n rape by a stranger, and rape by an acquaintance or a friend, and to me there's quite a bit of difference.

    i think i encountered your post as a related post to this blog entry, oddly enough. the related posts are probably generated as a function of the first tag, b/c obviously, the two blog entries are extremely different in nature.

    ed
  • Absatou said on Jan 31, 2007....
    There you go. The loaded gun is an exemple of things we do, but should not do. We take so much liberties nowadays. why should you have a loaded gun on a table? I could as well ask to parents why they let their kids attend late night parties. "Because they are teen. They should take advantage of their youth & have fun." people no longer evaluate the danger surrounding their actions. The exemple of the gun is so on point. What will people say? "It's terrible! How could his own friend do that?" but nobody will think: "what a hell was this guy doing with a loaded gun on his coffee table." because it's easier to blame other people. It's so much better when we are a victime at 100%.
  • silverwhisper said on Jan 31, 2007....
    you're completely ignoring the fact that the rapist in some cases is betraying someone's trust. the statistics indicate that the majority of rapes are acquaintance rapes, in which case the assailant is known to the victim.

    are you arguing that someone should never let their guard down at all, with anyone? i find that idea unattractively cynical.

    ed
  • Absatou said on Feb 02, 2007....

    I just think people should be a bit more realistic.

    Better be safe than sorry.

    But I see what you are saying & I agree with it. The point that I'm trying to make is that when something happen, victims should also accept their part of responsability.

  • silverwhisper said on Feb 02, 2007....
    w/ that, i can certainly agree.

    this has been a fun discussion. i look forward to your future blog entries, absatou.

    ed

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