• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  You suck Gumpy ! Oh, let me tell you why before you have a shit fit.

   

  Because you're a prick, yes, a prick. I must be a prick too, I enjoy

  reading this shit. It's funny, nasty, but funny.

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 07, 2007....

  mobil,
  
  Thank you for using the word "because."  At least you have a reason.  Which is more than some have!
  
  What was the line from the movie Patton?
  
  PATTON: (To translator) Tell the general he is a son of a bitch!
  
  TRANSLATOR: But, sir...
  
  PATTON: I said tell him!
  
  TRANSLATOR: (Speaks in Russian)
  
  THE CROWD MURMURS IN SHOCKED DISBELIEF.  THE RUSSIAN GENERAL'S EYES BLAZE QUIET RAGE.
  
  PATTON: Now tell him that, from one son of a bitch to another, I'm honored to be here.
  
  SLOWLY, THE RUSSIAN GENERAL BEGINS TO LAUGH, THE MEN EMBRACE, AND A WILD RUSSIAN CELEBRATION ENSUES.
  

• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  That was one hell of a movie, and I remember the scene with the

  Russian General.

   

  George C. Scott, in my opinion, was one of the greatest actors ever.

  In the movie Patton, he probably was a better Patton than Patton

  himself.

   

  Also, the movie stuck very close to the history that surrounded the

  story. The portrayal of the dislike between Patton and Montgomery,

  very true to life.

   

  I enjoyed when Patton said; "Hell, I am a primodona, I'll admit that !

  What makes me mad is, that son of a bitch Montgomery won't

  admit he is !"

   

  Good movie, good analogy !

• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  I was thinking about the back and forth between the Russian

  General and Patton in the movie, Patton.

   

  You were close, but I believe off the mark with how the last

  part of there conversation went.

   

  I could be wrong, but I think not.

   

  When Patton told the translator to tell the Russian General

  he was a son of a bitch.

   

  Patton said nothing else.

   

  Yes, then the Russian General's eyes blazed anger and rage.

   

  It was then the Russian General who told the translator to tell

  Patton;  From one son of a bitch to the other he would drink.

   

  Patton then broke from the hard stare he'd kept on the Russian

  and said;    Yes, well I'll drink to that.

   

  Not a huge change and probably not word for word Gumpy, but

  I am almost certain Patton said nothing and continued his

  unapologetic stare, until the Russian General came forth with

  his comment.

   

  It changes it only in that Patton never backed down from his

  original statement, nor his disgust and dislike of Russians

  in general.

   

   But, found what the Russian said humerous and then agreed,

   they were probably both son's a bitches and would drink to that.

   

  See the difference?

   

  I don't know how true that exchange was, I wouldn't be surprised

  that it actually took place.

   

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 07, 2007....

  I'm sure your version is more accurate.  I was just trying to remember it.

• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  Yes, and I wasn't nitpicking, but it was one of the

  better scenes in the movie.

   

  You too must have enjoyed it, or you wouldn't have

  recalled it from memory as you did !

   

  Have I pulled this conversation off topic? Or was

  it you?

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 07, 2007....

  I didn't think it was off-topic, and I didn't think you were nitpicking.
  
  It was one of the better scenes.  

• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  Now this is probably off topic, but if you are interested in

  WW2 history.

   

  The best book I've read about these events, is titled;

   

  The Last Hundred Days.

   

  Author; John Toland

   

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 07, 2007....

  I'm a Stephen Ambrose guy, but I will check it out.
  
  Thanks for the tip!

• mobil said on Jan 07, 2007....

  Ambrose lived just South of me until he died. He started a renewal of
  Lewis and Clark interest with Undaunted Courage.
   
  Took allot of heat for plagiarism. I found where he plagiarized the
  title and some academia scolded him for playing fast and loose with the
  facts.
   
  I've not read his WW2 material and even with the problems he had with
  Undaunted Courage, I consider him to be one hell of an author.
   
  You won't be sorry reading The Last Hundred Days either Gumpy.
  Toland did much of his research not long after the war. He takes you
  inside all the headquarters and into the field with the men who
  fired the rifles. It's well done, if you can find it.

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 08, 2007....

  I think the thing I like most about Ambrose is his storytelling.  The narrative.  When he gets overly historical and such, I doze off.
  
  I like Citizen Soldiers the most of his books because it is nothing but anecdotes--several by famous persons.  I like how he only gives brief mention to their notoriety.  Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. is just PFC Kurt Vonnegut in the book.
  
  True, he describes the timeline and strategies of the war, but only in the context of the day to day battlefield experiences of the men there.
  
  I'll check out the Toland book when I get to NY.  I'll be in corporate housing with plenty to read, I'm sure.

• mobil said on Jan 08, 2007....

  I don't know if you will like Toland or not, he's not the story teller
  gumpy. Not like Ambrose. He does present the facts and he
  does it in a way that holds your interest, mine anyway.
   
  So much information, if you don't have some understanding of what
  is going on and at least a knowledge of the players on all sides. It
  would be like clawing your way through the book.
   
  If you do take the time, and it seems you already have an interest in
  these events. This book will, in my opinion, is a treasure chest of
  the period history. Leaving it's reader with a great understanding of
  events that are difficult for the casual observer to understand.

• hotaka said on Jan 09, 2007....

  As I am not in this conversation I will just skip reading the last ten comments and make a mental note to watch Patton again since it has been a couple of decades.

  I just wanted to say the comment about Zayda's students was hilarious because I have read what she has told us about them and one of her posts i even copied and keep in a file to share with friends, giving full credit to Zayda of course for posting that funny stuff in the first place.

• GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 10, 2007....

  Hotaka,
  
  You're in the conversation now.  Come on in.  The discussin'--and thinkin'--is fine!
  

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