My state recently passed a law allowing civil unions for gay couples. Having been born here and still having ties, I find it hard to leave, but this place just keeps getting worse and worse. I really don't have feelings one way or the other about gays, except to say that I'm against civil unions and marriage between anyone other than a man and a woman. But after our former governor came out of the closet during a televised speech, it's no surprise this law passed. Needless to say, I couldn't even imagine picking up my child at school (I don't have any under the age of 18) only to have him or her say they want to spend time at their friends house who just happens to have either two mommies or two dads. More and more people are acting as if this behavior is perfectly acceptable. In my opinion, it is not.
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silverwhisper said on Jan 03, 2007....
sorry ariene, but i'm a supporter of gay marriage.
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anonymous said on Jan 03, 2007....
Id be more worried about my child wanting to spend the night at the home of a bigot.Love makes a family.And hatred is not a family value. -
Ariene said on Jan 03, 2007....
Ed - I respect your point of view and I know a lot of people feel the same way. I've had friends who were gay. It doesn't make me like anyone less for it. I just believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. Honestly, I don't like turning on tv and seeing more and more shows with gays. I don't think it is the norm, but I don't hate anyone for it. I realize that I'm probably on the losing end of this controvery, because people just want to be free to be who they are. I just have traditional beliefs about certain things.Anonymous - Could you be anymore transparent? Get real. Having a difference of opinion doesn't make me an intolerant bigot. -
silverwhisper said on Jan 03, 2007....
ariene: out of respect for our different beliefs, shall we agree to disagree. i look forward to your next blog entry. :>
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Ariene said on Jan 03, 2007....
Absolutely, Ed.Happy New Year! -
silverwhisper said on Jan 03, 2007....
and to you, too! :>
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ALIENated said on Jan 04, 2007....
Stand your ground. You are right, and I do mean correct. I started to comment here, but it got so long I created a post instead. It will make all the bleeding hearts angry, but right is right. I did not make the rules. I am just bound by them. I think most who support gay marriage or unions do not have kids. I could be wrong. Today gay marriage, tomorrow legal pedaphilia, legalized murder. Why not? Which rules can be broken and which cannot? I guess the liberals know instinctively which can and cannot. They are determined to do our thinking for us. -
SeanRenaud said on Jan 04, 2007....
Ariene: The short answer is I support gay marriage and honestly can't see what having a child has to do with tolerance of others. You having a difference of opinion against a group of people who are in no way harmful to you in particular or society as a whole would make you a bigot. What precisely is your argument against civil unions? I can at least half way comprehend an issue against marriage.ALIEN: Legal pedaphilia? C'mon that is a stupid argument. Its hardly worthy of comment but I'll entertain it. If we as a society ever came to the conclusion that no harm was done and that individuals of X age were emotionally ready to comprehend such decisions so be it. That will never happen though because it is harmful to the child.As for legalized murder, that's really stupid. I mean lets just turn it around. No gay marriage, since the only basis that can stand on is religious would you then make it illegal to have sex before marriage? -
anonymous said on Jan 04, 2007....
I agree with you. It is horrible to think that these people are permitted to engage in this type of activity. Everybody wants to be accepted for every sinful, immoral and perverted behavior. I applaud you for standing up for what is morally correct. You are not a BIGGOT. You are a person who stands up for morals even when everyone else is accepting everything under the sun. I am not a parent, but I can tell you this, you must protect your children from evil in all of its forms especially when the law protects/ promotes the evil doers. Sinful behavior can be indirectly taught to people, especially the inchoate minds of the youth. -
rfdraper3 said on Jan 04, 2007....
I agree with you. It is horrible to think that these people are permitted to engage in this type of activity. Everybody wants to be accepted for every sinful, immoral and perverted behavior. I applaud you for standing up for what is morally correct. You are not a BIGGOT. You are a person who stands up for morals even when everyone else is accepting everything under the sun. I am not a parent, but I can tell you this, you must protect your children from evil in all of its forms especially when the law protects/ promotes the evil doers. Sinful behavior can be indirectly taught to people, especially the inchoate minds of the youth. -
GrapeKoolaid said on Jan 04, 2007....
see, that's the ticket.... If you don't like it, go somewhere you do. That' what's so good about this country. -
gingersoul said on Jan 04, 2007....
Ariene, I have a child and i wouldn't have a second thought to send her to play to some other kid's house if their parents might happen to be two moms and two dads. That kid will be more than welcome in my house as well. I would judge him/her only based on his/her behavior nor based on the sex of his/her parents. My daughter has been raised to be tolerant and i hope these seeds will give their fruits in her life.
It's love what makes a family. Itsn't a civil union or a holy blessing that makes a good marriage. Its not being straight or gay that makes you a good person.
I dont see any harm coming from a society more and more tolerant and open minded.
Thanks for the post.
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Ariene said on Jan 04, 2007....
Gingersoul: I do understand what you're saying. You seem to be such a good person. So, it's hard to say anything, but thank you for your comments. -
bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
"Today gay marriage, tomorrow legal pedaphilia, legalized murder. Why not?"
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
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husbandhater said on Jan 04, 2007....
Ariene I kinda agree with u on some of your views. I don't agree with them calling it a marriage I think that should be between men and woman. But if they want to shack up and call it a common-law or civil union I find it a bit more tolerable. But if we allow this union to be law will men and women alike be poligamists next, will it be ok to have a union with your dog or your house plant? But here lies the quandry while this "union is frowned upon some real questions arise from them. What if these 2 persons adopt a child? This child does have the right to not be up rooted from the only home he or she has known in their life time due to the death of a the legal parent.Also as freaky as it is would u like someone to tell u how your loved one is going to die or be burried if you were with them for 10, 20, 30 etc.,. years when u as their mate probably better than anyone know their expressed wishes? Since these are becoming the issues of the day we do have to find a way to address them. And this is how those idiots elected figured it out. -
silverwhisper said on Jan 04, 2007....
HH: how does gay marriage magically lead to polygamy or bestiality? and why is this always the first thing people say who oppose gay marriage?
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bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
they say it because they are grasping at straws and have no other logical excuse for their bigotry. -
gingersoul said on Jan 04, 2007....
HH..sorry, but I agree with Ed and bloc in this....
why poligamism and animal's loving have always been held as an explanation for any anti-gay positions? I can't see one single shred of connection....in centuries and centuries of history...
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MissMimi said on Jan 04, 2007....
bloc, you said what I was going to.
This issue has nothing to do with pedophilia, polygamy, or bestiality, It is simply an issue of civil rights. ALL citizens of the US should have the same rights and protections under the law.
If you don't want to call it marriage, call it a civil union if that makes you feel safer.
Ariene, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I look forward to your next entry.
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bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
@mimi and ginger
there is a great colbert report segment where he satirizes the bestiality argument, but I can't find it on youtube :(
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husbandhater said on Jan 04, 2007....
Silver(ed), while the beastiality thing might be a far stretch, the polyigamy thing is not. Here's why: Now we as polygamists say our rights as free multi- loving individuals has been infringed upon and since i'm jailed for loving legally more than 1 individual, but u have given 2 persons of the same sex that right "WHY NOT ME"? The ones who have consented and are of legal age, sound body and mind will say if its o.k for"GAYS" to life that kind of lifesyle legally, Why can't we as free thinking consenting adults do the same legally? What about our children in these unions? This is what palimony/paturnity suits are about all the time. I lived as his wife whether or not he was married to some one else, we procreated so where is my 1/2 and I can't get nothing I got this kid. Look at James Brown and others. And I guarentee u ed, bloc, ginger and company that once u open the flood gates on one the other is going to come running out saying me too, me too.... -
silverwhisper said on Jan 04, 2007....
HH: it's beyond a far stretch--it's lunacy, if you ask me.
as to polygamy--actually, would it be so bad? solomon supposedly had what, 600 wives (or was that wives & concubines)?
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Ariene said on Jan 04, 2007....
To everybody: I guess this issue is far from as simple as it may first appear and involves more than equal rights for gays. Want to be polygamists could easily make the same argument that their civil rights are being violated, if they too are not allowed to marry whomever they choose. Where do we draw the line? I guess that remains to be seen. -
SeanRenaud said on Jan 04, 2007....
I agree that polygamy isn't really grasping at straws but honestly consenting adults+no harm to others or society= OK. It really is that simple. Bestiality which is a bit of a stretch at least has the uniqueness (amongst these questions) of saying the animal cannot consent to such an act. I suppose if one were to start grasping for correlations you could also say that animals can't consent to really anything. Horses don't ask to be ridden without training, dogs don't viciously attack (and when they do without training it isn't very effective) and they certainly don't walk on their hind legs then back flip through hulahoops and all the other shit that happens at a dog show.I want one, just one solid inteligent non religious reason why gay marriage and polygamy should be illegal? -
bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
our society, and legal system, are setup to treat families as two adults and kids. Giving gays the same rights does not affect this but polygamy does. I don't know what my point is other than it would be easy to treat gays equally. -
SeanRenaud said on Jan 04, 2007....
Bloc: We talking tax/financial benefits in our laws or other things such as wills or what not? -
bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
all of the above, hospital visits, etc -
husbandhater said on Jan 04, 2007....
I agree love is what makes a family. Silver(ed), Sean, bloc and company can u see the nightmare of having 36 people on your insurance form health or other wise. LOL I get confused filing it out for my family of 5 and they only allow you so many lines on the form. LOL I'm saying I don't agree with calling it a marriage, a civil union bodes better with me. Had you read my post you'd also know I understand the questions that are arising from their co-habitating and that they must have some form of legal answer 4 this. These issues are also those of common law spouses. Marriage is 1man&1woman. A common law or civil union is entirely another. It's more like ur personal bussiness and I like it that way and thats all I'm saying. What goes on in the bedroom should stay there. -
whoisit4 said on Jan 04, 2007....
I have good friends who are homosexuals and lesbians - some of which have been my room-mates. I also have heterosexual friends that live adulterous lives. I formerly lived a life of adultery. As a conservative Christian now I don't believe either of these lifestyles is right in the eyes of God - including the things I've done. Nevertheless, I believe God also wants me to love sinners.
The law in America is what American society through the legislative process (and increasingly, in practice, through judicial decisions) collectively judges to be right or wrong. I cannot force people I love to agree with me. I can be a friend to people who sin, because I have also sinned. If someone wants to change the law to something other than what I believe is right, I can vocalize my opinion. Other's can vocalize theirs. To do so is not intrinsically hateful. I think Thom, Chuck, Steve, Roger and other fellow sinners who know me as their friend would agree.
Therefore, I agree with Ariene. For people on either side, there's no need to resort political hyperbole. Such rhetoric only degrades people instead of lifting them up.
The polygamy thread is interesting. I don't agree that polygamy is necessarily right. However, it's intriguing to think that I could someday legally marry Faith without losing my wife - not that either would ever go for it.
O.o
(At least I know I'm warped.)
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husbandhater said on Jan 04, 2007....
oh and ed Solomon 4 all his wisdom was swayed away from the lord due to the influence of 1 of those wives who the lord told him not to marry due to the fact she came from another land and practiced a pagan religion and he fore warned:" She will turn your heart from me to her God". So he is not the one to tote 4 polygamy. If u check all those stories in the bible where they had multiple wives their hearts only belonged to one in particular anyway so was that truly fair to the others? And those are the wives that were shown favor and the ones the Lord let be fruitful last I think because he saw that they already had an abundance of love that the others did not have. Jacob,Issac etc.,. It makes one wonder why after awhile God decided 1man& 1woman. Who knows but maybe he saw man get out of control with the multiples or he wanted back 2 the way it was in the beginning. He didn't leave much of an answer so were left 2 try and guess or interpet.LOL -
husbandhater said on Jan 04, 2007....
Right on who! What you said. -
bloc said on Jan 04, 2007....
"For people on either side, there's no need to resort political hyperbole."
calling people sinners who don't prescribe to your religion or view of sin is just as hyperbolic. Hell, I think an attempt to deny people the same rights as everyone else is much worse than political hyperbole.
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silverwhisper said on Jan 05, 2007....
HH: but the bible still calls all of them wives. so if solomon hadn't married that one wife, the other 599 would have been OK? don't you see a problem in that logic?
this is something i discussed at great length in one of my previous blog entries. if you're interested, that discussion can be found here.
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ALIENated said on Jan 08, 2007....
Let me see, the great and abounding wisdom of bloc and silverwhisper or the Bible? Oh gosh, which will I choose? I think I am going to have to go with the word of the God, not our local gods. -
silverwhisper said on Jan 08, 2007....
alienated: in that case, make sure you go and murder gays as leviticus 26 orders you to. also, murder pagans. the bible commands it.
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bloc said on Jan 08, 2007....
I'd like to see alienated offer a burnt sacrifice to the lord ;) -
anonymous said on Dec 15, 2007....
Gay people have the right to marry any adult of the opposite gender they so choose. Homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. Every last unrepentant queer who does not confess and turn away will go to hell.
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Leviticus 18:22
" 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads
Rom 1:18-32
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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bloc said on Dec 16, 2007....
I love to see all the hate that stems from many Christians. I guess the bible doesn't teach love and forgiveness. I also doubt that these hate filled assholes follow the rules that apply to them, like gouging out their eyes if they cause them to lust. -
one_wired_kitty said on Dec 16, 2007....
Ed ... I'm pretty sure it was 600 concubines ... too many wives, if ya ask me. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I may not agree with who you have sex with (m/m or w/w - of age, of course) but I have no control over that. It just irks me to no end when they (some gays) parade down the streets dressed like circus freaks. Cant they just get up & lead NORMAL lives like everyone else?
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ALIENated said on Dec 16, 2007....
http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/102795/Dominos-DO-Fall-And-Slopes-Are-Slippery# -
silverwhisper said on Dec 17, 2007....
man, but i do so love those cowardly anonymous drive-bys.
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1WK: b/c you've never seen extreme expressions of anything else in other parades?
hey alienated, any luck obeying god's command that you murder pagans?
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SeanRenaud said on Dec 17, 2007....
C'mon silver thats not fair.You can't murder pagans, pro-choicers, gays, liberals, terrorists or muslims.You can only murder people and none of these things mentioned are people. They are put to death, like puppies and horses with broken legs. -
one_wired_kitty said on Dec 19, 2007....
Ed - nothing comes to mind atm but I'm sure something will while I'm at work (LOL).
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