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OK, here it is.  Not from me.  Not from a loved one.  THIS IS FROM SHERIFF JOE WAMPLER whose jurisdiction includes Mount Hood.  I think he knows a little about it:

But without making specific reference to their plans for a quick, lightly equipped ascent, Wampler said "a minimum climb this time of year is three days, not just one day, three days. You plan on having to stay out there in case something happens."

WANT SOME MORE?

"Never, ever go anywhere ... and not be prepared to spend some time out there, because you might get caught," Wampler said. "Oregon, the Northwest, anytime you get off that highway out here, you're in the wilderness."

So, which one of you douchebag glorifiers wants to argue with this guy?  Anybody still want to eulogize these complete idiots as "very experienced climbers" or start talking about how they're better than us mortals because they stood on top of a couple of big rocks?

WANT ANOTHER LIL' DAB?  HERE YA GO!

At the news conference Tuesday, Wampler said evidence suggests that the three had been "lightly equipped," adding later, "I think that they knew where they were at, but, you know, at nighttime, not ever being there before, there was some disorientation involved in this."

WANT EVEN MORE?  HERE'S SOME INFO ABOUT THE BROOKLYN CLIMBER ASKING REALLY UNEDUCATED QUESTIONS ON MOUNTAINEERING FORUMS:

On Sept. 17, Cooke began a post on CascadeClimbers.com with an apology, writing, "Since I've never been there before, pardon what may be stupid questions in advance. I tried to buy the guidebook but it's out of print."

OUT OF PRINT????  WOW.  Sounds REALLY safe.  Experienced.

His post continues with questions about the routes up Hood: about distances from the Cloud Cap Inn, at 6,000 feet, to climbing landmarks on the mountain, about park fees and special permits.

In another post, from November, Cooke asks about distances from a basic shelter at 7,000 feet up the mountain, noting that such an option would, "allow us to get there the day before and get an early start the next day. It also allows us to carry minimal sleeping gear."

WOWEE.  SOUNDS LIKE THEY REALLY HAD THEIR ACT TOGETHER.   These are HIS OWN words.  See them?  See how he's setting up a blueprint to die on a mountain????  MINIMAL sleeping gear?  Always a good idea in 100MPH wind blizzard, right?  OOPS, us non-gods who don't climb rocks aren't allowed to use, you know, LOGIC.

Wanna hear what Benjamin Ruef, co-author of Rock Climbin Oregon has to say?

"It's a very difficult route, and a bad time of year to be attempting it," he said. "They had a window, and when you are at that level, you try to push your limits, and I think that is what they were doing."

So bring it on.  Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.  But do pause to tell the experts and the locals who deal with the mountain all the time that they don't know as much as YOU do, either.




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  • dailyachesandpains said on Dec 22, 2006....

    Gumpy,

    Thanks for the update ;-)  You research mad man! <chuckles>

    Since they've decided to go into "recovery" mode, I haven't heard anything on the news about the last two guys.  My Sister has calmed down a lot, and is now back to regularly scheduled programing.

    {{{hugs}}}

    Daily

  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Daily,

    Yes, here at the Douchebag Research Laboratories, we leave no stone unturned.

    "Recovery" mode?  It sounds much nicer than corpse-scavenging, doesn't it?
  • Vericona said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Gumpy you sound like a man obscessed.
    You utter such compassion & hate that the smugness
    is sociopathic in intensity.
    While reading Ted Bundy's interviews I notice the very same traits.
    You should perhaps think about therapy.
    Connie
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Veronica,

    I'm confused.  The majority of the above words are NOT MINE.  No.  Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit? 

    I have, as a service, presented the opinions and observations of EXPERTS on Mount Hood.  Many people who proclaimed themselves mountain experts commented in my original posts, contesting my observations that these fools should have known better if they were "experienced climbers."

    So, I gathered specific evidence from irrefutable experts supporting my position.  And, rather than offer anything to the subject at hand, you interpreted this as an opportunity to name call and compare me to TED BUNDY?

    Interesting.  Moronic.  Dullardesque.  Completely off-subject.  But interesting in a pathetic kind of way.

    Let's just examine your glowing contribution, shall we??

    >>Gumpy you sound like a man obscessed.<<

    We'll leave the spelling mistake alone for now, since you believe cop to be "intelligent" which, ironically, absolves you of being able to spell if he's smarter than you, since HE can't spell.

    Notice how I'm commenting DIRECTLY upon what you brought to the debate?  Things you actually have written?  Try it sometime.  Then you won't have people coming back at you for contributing NOTHING but insults directly addressed to one person.

    As for me "sounding" like a man obsessed, do you mean that you are actually HEARING things while you read this?

    Well, if you're hearing voices, by all means, listen to them.  I think you will find that the sounds you are hearing are coming from your own mouth as you slowly attempt to sound out the words.

    >>You utter such compassion & hate that the smugness
    is sociopathic in intensity.<<

    Utter?  I utttered something?  Again, if you're hearing the voices, listen to them.  But just as a point of FACT, this is WRITING.  Typed words on a computer screen.  Radically different from the spoken word.  Do try and pay attention to these subtle differences.

    I know it's hard to do, being room monitor for the fucking world and all, but do try.

    >>While reading Ted Bundy's interviews I notice the very same traits.<<

    You read Ted Bundy's interviews???  This explains MUCH.  I don't think I'll ever have time for such a useless endeavor, but way to go.  I hope you found them enjoyable.

    >>You should perhaps think about therapy.<<

    NEWS FLASH: Even someone qualified to make such an assessment--WHICH YOU ARE NOT--would NEVER do so on the basis of an anonymous internet blog.  A qualified person would have to ascertain the proper age, sex, background, history, etc. to make such an assessment. 

    Because this site is anonymous, a QUALIFIED healthcare provider would know that anyone here could be an imposter.  Even you--oh, international correspondent/Ph.d (who cannot spell)/Commerce/DIVORDED (whatever that means)/model.

    How plausible is that?  Therapy?  Reconsider your profile, then think about if you should be suggesting therapy to OTHER people.

    I'll leave you to the "the voices" now.  But here's a tip: Have your shit together the next time you decide you want to ignore the point at hand and give your opinion of the messenger.

    Because you're apparently not smart enough to present a rationally stated argument about the subject at hand.
  • mobil said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Another fine commentary on preparedness gumpy. Nature does not
    suffer fools lightly.
     
    So many have died here in Montana for a lack of understanding nature.
    I've spent many days in wild places. I've spent nites out when not
    intending to.
     
    I pay great attention to detail as to what to carry in my day pack to survive
    if caught in an unplanned situation.
     
    Some bloggers do not suffer fools as well. Either way, here, as into nature,
    it seems fools rush in.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Mobil,

    Sometimes, you can't win for losing.  People tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?

    Fine.  I go get the opinions of HIGHLY informed experts and what do I receive in return?  The same dreck this person was spouting in ANOTHER post earlier.

    No, I don't suffer fools well here or in real life.  It could be a fault or a strength.  I don't know which.

    And, as in real life, it helps to be prepared! 

    I like open discussions with people I disagree with.  But when people want to just smoke their shit cigar in my face, I respond with the only weapons I've ever had.

    Words.

    But what am I telling you?  You can suffer fools with the best of them.  After all, you've been to South Bend.
  • Vericona said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Gumpy you are so right. I agree with you 100%.
    The Sheriff did call those poor souls Morons and
    Douchebags. He spoke it right out there and he
    also said that Gumpy was right.
     
    You exhibit a classic case of psychosis that to define
    takes but a moment.
     
    You were told to shut up as a child. You were always
    wrong and the other kids bullied you to the point that
    you always had to be right. You spent hours looking
    items up to prove beyond a doubt that you were right.
     
    Why is  it that everyone that does not agree with you is
    wrong or something is not right about them?
     
    If you care to investigate something, investigate the term
    intelligence. It has nothing to do with spelling or grammar
    or any of the poor excuses you gave for being out bid in
    the pissing contest between you and JD. I blame him as
    much as you but you just have to carry it further don't you.
     
    I hope that all your admirers support you in your contest to
    be the greatest blogger in the world. It is a worthy goal and
    you certainly deserve every bit of recognition.
     
    When ever you write that you are confused I believe that
    to the fullest.
     
    My PhD is in the commercial sector but my Masters is in
    deviant behavior. You got my vote as the winner of the contest.
     
    I mean this from the bottom of my heart. Good luck but please
    get some help and please don't kill me like your associates
    fear of you. I am afraid of people like you. Connie
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    >>Gumpy you are so right.<<

    I know.  You're the one with the delusion here.

    >>I agree with you 100%.
    The Sheriff did call those poor souls Morons and
    Douchebags. He spoke it right out there and he
    also said that Gumpy was right.<<

    No, he didn't say any of those things.  Were you hearing the voices again?  By the way, we're ALL still waiting for you to discuss the TOPIC AT HAND.  The mountaineers who were fools who went up onto a mountain the knew nothing about when a 100MPH blizzard was coming?

    That's the topic.  Not me.  If you want to discuss me, you could start your OWN post, couldn't you?  Must have missed your PH.D/international correspondent/divorded???/model mind.  Like a Nolan Ryan fastball.
     
    >>You exhibit a classic case of psychosis that to define
    takes but a moment.<<

    Show me the accredited medical journal with classic cases of psychosis being diagnosed over the internet after less than five posts.  Please.  Was that Freud or Jung?
     
    >>You were told to shut up as a child. You were always
    wrong and the other kids bullied you to the point that
    you always had to be right. You spent hours looking
    items up to prove beyond a doubt that you were right.<<

    No.  I was encouraged to voice my opinion.  I was taught the classical elements of an education with an emphasis on English literature and American history.  Other kids bullying me?  I was the oldest of six kids.  No bullying, sorry.

    Keep swinging, though.  The breeze is nice.  Oh, and you might add "failed mind reader" to your profile.
     
    >>Why is  it that everyone that does not agree with you is
    wrong or something is not right about them?<<

    I guess you'll have to answer that since you made the assertion.  There are MANY people I currently converse with her that have often disagreed with me.  Of course, they did it with a rational argument and facts to the point at hand without insult.  Try it sometime.

    For reference, you need only ask Hotaka.  Although there are many others.
     
    >>If you care to investigate something, investigate the term
    intelligence. It has nothing to do with spelling or grammar
    or any of the poor excuses you gave for being out bid in
    the pissing contest between you and JD.<<

    Actually, the ability to spell and punctuate has to do only with the ability to perform these functions.  However, when criticizing people for their shortcomings, it helps to be able to spell.  Particularly after calling someone stupid.  

    It also helps to know the difference between WRITING and SPEAKING, which you clearly do not as evidenced above.

    Now these do not equate to intelligence, but it should be intuitively obvious to the casual observe that someone who cannot spell or punctuate but persists in calling someone else stupid--or someone who cannot distinguish between writing and speaking--is far less probable to be intelligent than the opposite.

    >>I blame him as
    much as you but you just have to carry it further don't you.<<

    (Interrogative statement.  REQUIRES A QUESTION MARK.)  Oh, I carry it as far as the dolts want to keep re-asserting the importance while attempting to insult me.  All the while failing to address the actual point.  THESE MEN WERE FOOLS.  THEY DID NOT TAKE PROPER PRECAUTIONS.

    Not just in my opinion.  In the opinion of the Sheriff, the author of the definitive book on mountaineering in Oregon, and the posters on a mountaineering website.  So I have them on my side.

    And you have...oh, I forgot.  You're not interested in this subject.  Merely in propping up your own self-importance and amateur psychoanalysis.
     
    >>I hope that all your admirers support you in your contest to
    be the greatest blogger in the world. It is a worthy goal and
    you certainly deserve every bit of recognition.<<

    Have you considered mindreading?  I mean, you wouldn't make much, since you're so way off base, but you do have the knack of attempting to read minds, so you're halfway there.

    World's greatest blogger?  Laughable.  Is there such a thing or did you just invent it?  Do you often make things up out of whole cloth, attribute them to another person, and then treat them as fact?
     
    >>When ever you write that you are confused I believe that
    to the fullest.<<

    Good.  I AM confused.  This post is about the mistakes made by idiots on a mountain and the avalanche of experts chiming in on their mistakes.  You seem to think it's about me.

    Again, you could start a WHOLE POST of psychoanalyzing me.  You could really get into it.  Of course, no one reads anything you post, so it would be a like a fart in the night so you post here, where people are actually reading.

    I guess the fact that you could have started your own subject instead of poorly trying to hijack this one must have slipped by the supercomputer in your PHD that can't spell mind.
     
    >>My PhD is in the commercial sector but my Masters is in
    deviant behavior. You got my vote as the winner of the contest.<<

    Really?  What do you base this on?  Are you actually equating typing on a blog in a way you don't like as "deviant behavior"?  What percentage of your coursework was devoted to blogging?  Is there are large emphasis on blogging in the deviant behavior world?
     
    >>I mean this from the bottom of my heart. Good luck but please
    get some help and please don't kill me like your associates
    fear of you. I am afraid of people like you.<<

    You should be afraid of people like me.  We're smarter than you.  And we won't listen to your silly crap without challenging it.

    Now, this is MY thread.  I started it to discuss the fools on the mountain.  I believe in freedom of expression, but it is clear to me that you want to hijack this post with your silly bullshit.

    You have two very simple choices.  Discuss the topic at hand and insult me all you want by refuting my points.

    Or be blocked and deleted.  Life is too short to put up with someone who is so full of crap Monsanto should give them a lifetime contract fertilizing the Great Plains.

    So I will leave your international correspondent/Phd/International commerce/DIVORDED/model mind to ponder your choices.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    Mark Fuhrman, Jr. writes:

    >>You win the psycho award of the year.<<


    Damn!  And you were hoping to break the consecutive wins record!  Shoot.  I'm sorry.  You must be crushed.

    >>You

    poor deluded soul. I wonder why you torture

    yourself so much.<<

    I know, I know.  Reading what you write is torture, but since I started the thread, I kinda have to read it.

    Didja by the way manage to read everything the Sheriff and the author and the other mountaineers said about your favorite dead DOUCHEBAGS?  They said they didn't take the right gear.  They said they needed three days and the DOUCHEBAGS only planned for ONE.

    Notice how I'm addressing the topic at hand?  You know, the topic where you're looking more and more uninformed about the dead DOUCHEBAGS?  OR DO YOU NOW KNOW MORE THAN THE SHERIFF IN CHARGE OF MOUNT HOOD, THE LEADING AUTHOR ON MOUNTAINEERING IN OREGON, AND COUNTLESS OTHER MOUNTAINEERS?

    Do you REALLY know more than they do?  No.  Just glance up.  I have assembled all the second party proof necessary to refute your position.  Not my words.  THEIRS.  Umprompted and freely given to the press.

    >>You are a liar. You were bullied and now you

    use words like pins to jab an elephants ass.<<

    Now, don't be comparing yourself to an elephant's (not elephants) ass.  That's just insulting elephant asses.

    Are you expert on Desert Survival, Jungle

    Survival and in passing just how many mountains

    have you climbed?<<

    No, of course not.  That's why I rely on the advice, opinion and stated knowledge of the EXPERTS.  Now, how long have you been in charge of policing Mount Hood?  Because the guy who IS in charge says these DOUCHEBAGS didn't take enough equipment.  HE says they didn't plan for enough days.  But you know better than him, don't ya?

    By the way, the DOUCHEBAGS are DEAD AS A DOORNAIL.  Which also supports my position that they didn't plan their little outing very well.  It's a key piece of evidence.

    >>Now since you are such a master

    mind, how many degrees DO you have and from

    what institutions?<<

    Let's not get into that.  Let's just say certain people can spell and certain people can't.  And let's just say that certain people have their opinion supported by the Sherrif in charge of Mount Hood, the leading author on mountaineering in Oregon and others.  Commenting directly on the actions of the dead DOUCHEBAGS.

    Who do you have?

    >>We have asked.<<

    Hi folks, and welcome to non sequitur theater.  Here's your host, Mr. Mark Fuhrman, Jr.--better known as copsbadspelleraskingforfellatiofrommen.

    >>Can you walk

    the walk or just talk the talk. Blow hard is more like

    it and don't you wish you were somebody else?<<

    No, I like being me.  And I certainly wouldn't want to be Nolan Ryan.  I'd rather be Bob Gibson, since he had a better ERA and won more World Series.

    >>Like

    Nolan Ryan? At least he has balls.<<

    Given your predilection for asking men to give you fellatio, I'll take your word for it.

  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 22, 2006....
    And now, the trolls have been removed.

    All is well in the garden.
  • hotaka said on Dec 22, 2006....

    Man, Gumpy. You do have energy. I am glad to be on your side of the fence now. But like you said, or implied, or I understood, if people approach the topic at hand for debate then they are welcome and treated with respect. If they come with insults then they can expect to get it back. I would add tenfold to that too. It's a shame really because cops seems otherwise like a nice guy. If someone doesn't like you they should just say goodbye. If you really were psycho then you'd be following them to their blogs.

    Well, I think I need to eat something. I have been staring at this computer screen now for four hours and I am getting dizzy.

  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Hotaka,

    Yeah, if I were really psycho, I'd follow them around to my blogs--like they do mine.  At any rate, they won't be bothering my posts any more.

    As for Mr. Fuhrman seeming nice, I guess after the fourth time he demanded that I go down on him, I ceased to see it that way.  I'm funny that way.

    Poof!  They're gone!  Never to return.  I'm sensing some jealousy on their part. 
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    >> I can see I'm going to have to subscribe to Veronica.<<

    That's a GOOD idea, Mr. Expert Mountain Climber!

    Because you, like that life support system for a vagina, have COMPLETELY fanned on the remarks of Sherrif Wampler and that pesky author about Oregon mountain climbing.

    THEY say you're WRONG, and those experienced climbers did a whole bunch of REALLY stupid stuff.  But YOU know MORE than the guy running the mountain, right?

    I can see where it's not in your best interest to discuss that part of it, because it makes you look like the ill-informed person who was championing the behavior of these "experienced climbers" who did all sorts of stupid things.

    I can only wish you had been with them to contribute some of your clear ignorance to theirs.

    You, like your two friends, have ONE more post to prove you can talk about the DEAD FOOLS and their actions.  IF you want to contest the opinions of the experts on the subject of course.

    Fail, and you're blocked and deleted.  I have no time for people like yourself.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Grape,

    Your post has also been deleted.  For several reasons.

    1.  You don't discuss the topic at hand.  If you want ME to be the topic, start one on ME.

    2.  You use MY forum to link to one of YOURS.  Sorry, but this ain't an advertising service.

    3.  You clearly have not read the previous post on the subject where your hero repeatedly asks me for fellatio, amongst other things.

    4.  I do not in any way believe your assertion that there is no justice.  I believe there is justice AND forgiveness and that they are not mutually exclusive.  See how I am administering justice here by deleting your post, but forgiving you and allowing you to return?

    Come back when you want to participate in the topic at hand.
  • *KMT* said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Sheriff Wampler stated the obvious without adding his personal opinion on the trio and their needless end, although I imagine it would be something along the lines of "those nitwits...". It must have taken great self-control on his part.

    These three were not heroes nor pioneers but now that they've met their end, the questions is how to curtail this sort of nonsense in the future?

    Since many of us engage in some form of risky behavior, for example: smoking, eating "bad" food, not having good snow tires, not looking both ways when we cross the street, etc. and since there is legislation in existence for the purpose of controlling this behavior ( or at least taxing and insuring the shit out of it), what can be done to prevent this type of thing from happening in the near future?

    Would passing a law making it illegal to climb Mt Hood between say Oct.15 and Apr. 15 with heavy fines imposed on those caught doing it and even heavier penalties on those who manage to get up there and get into trouble making government personnel necessary to rescue them? It's not unreasonable to consider legislation in light of recent deaths up there over the past couple of decades.

    You can't stop poor decision making but you can make it less attractive to thrill junkies.


  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    KMT, Thanks for your considered and well-reasoned response.

    I think the first thing would be to make the fines MUCH large than the current $500 fine for covering rescue fees. And that fine has only been enforced ONCE.

    I think all persons climbing over a certain altitude should be required to register with the ranger station. I think also, they should be required to have climber's insurance, which would cover the costs of any rescue efforts.

    As for your calendar year restrictions, I think they are good ones. I'd be interested in hearing what Sherrif Wampler and the like say about it. In any case, it would make sense to perhaps allow only climbers who are certified in some manner to make the attempt during that time of year.

    Thanks for responding to the actual conversation. Together, we'll reduce the number of dead douchebags yet.
  • *KMT* said on Dec 23, 2006....
    This might be a silly question but:

    Is climbing Mt Hood a privilege or a right?

    Is it my right as an American (or citizen of Earth) to hoof it up there and experience it's glorious majesty because I think it stands there beckoning me to do so?

    Or is it a privilege that requires a degree of skill displayed through testing, certification or licensure of some sort?

  • RollingC said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Too bad they haven't come up with that rule you mentioned Gump.... Every climber over a certain " safe " height should be required to register and have gear approved beforehand.
    During the summer I went scuba diving for the first time a John Pennekamp (?) sorry about the spelling...at Key Largo and it was a great experience.  I was impressed with the safety concern of the charter boat and realize that anyone could go out there and easily drown or have a mishap
    Beautiful place visit and wonderful activity scuba diving.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    KMT, I guess it's like driving a car.

    It's a pretty universally held opinion that it's a right, but it's not.

    We all have to have a license. Or to fly a plane. I'd put it in this category. Only because of the huge costs associated when people who don't have their act together go up on the mountain without thinking it through. Or being overconfident.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Grape's second post as been deleted due to the inability to stay on topic and the attempt to make this post his own. Not blocked yet, but not far off.

    Escolding for me protecting my topic from eassholes like copsunited or Verconica will not be tolerated.

    Note that I am not following them around the site posting profanity-laden drivel.  As they are doing to me.

    I started this post for a reason.  KMT and others have shown that there ARE people who want to intelligently discuss the subject.  I am quite naturally in charge of how I treat those whose sub-intellect shows they're just trying to ruin someone else's fun.

    Back to the topic at hand.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    RollingC,

    Great remarks. Scuba is a wonderful analogy.

    Would people be calling scuba divers "experienced divers" if they didn't take enough air to perform their dive? Or if they went diving an hour before a hurricane hit? I think not.

    Incidentally, Rolling, have you heard of a film called Open Water? Based on a true story about an American couple mistakenly abandoned by their diving crew.

    Goes back to basics. Someone didn't do a proper head count, and they left without the couple--Tom and Eileen Lonergan. Their possessions and passports were found on the boat TWO DAYS LATER.

    Although some of their gear was found washed up later miles away from where they were lost, their bodies were never found. This recovered gear included a diver's slate which read: "Monday Jan 26; 1998 08am. To anyone [who] can help us: We have been abandoned on A[gin]court Reef by MV Outer Edge 25 Jan 98 3pm. Please help us [come] to rescue us before we die. Help!!!"

    These hobbies are dangerous, and when people involved (the dive crew, not the Lonergans) get complacent, people get hurt. That's what happened on this mountain, although some would like us to believe it was just "one of those things" that happens to the superhumans who know life a little fuller than we do because they clung on to a big rock.
  • husbandhater said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Dude I never did get the whole conquering a mountain thing while freezing ur ass off? WHy go mountain climbing when winter in NY was right around the corner? My heart goes out to them though, and the family.
  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    Husband,

    Yeah. I can't see it, either.

    BUT, climbing ain't all it's cracked up to be even in shorts and t-shirts weather.

    CHECK OUT THIS FUN, RELAXING, GOOD TIME ON THE MOUNTAIN!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MW9Km18jfM
  • *KMT* said on Dec 23, 2006....
    "Why go mountain climbing when winter in NY was right around the corner?"

    Ah... we may be onto something here. Why is it that those of us who live in the Northern U.S., in particular the Northeast U.S., are having a harder time extending pity for this story than the rest of the U.S.?

     Perhaps we learned the perils of snowfall early in life. There is nothing like (trying to make it home from a friend's house) walking at the age of 14 in a blizzard with 50-60 mph winds, only to be reduced to a belly-crawl to remind you who is boss.

     It has been observed that we North/Northeastern types spend inordinate amounts of time viewing the Weather Channel and plan our lives accordingly. Go figure.

    And now for something completely different... does anyone remember the Donner Party? These folks are vilified to this day for setting out on the journey they did when they did. This group suffered the rigours of the Trail they were on, lost family and friends, were attacked by
    Pawnees, the Sioux, and the Snakes, yet are still remembered as the misguided group that took off in 1847 into territory they knew nothing about. History still hasn't forgiven them.

  • GumpyJumptooth said on Dec 23, 2006....
    KMT--Awesome. I was about to mention the Donner Party, too.

    The Donner Party cannot be totally blamed for what happened.

    Certainly their actions after they ran out of provisions were their own doing. But they had purchased a map across the country through a route that the person selling the maps had claimed was a "fast passage" to the west.

    They tried following his route, only to find that it was bogus. By this time, they were in trouble, as one of the worst bouts of winter weather in recorded history befell them. There is an excellent PBS documentary about the party and its trevails.

    And, I grew up in Indiana. You never went to bed or woke up from the months of November to April without first checking the weather report.

    Why? It's that saying they have about Indiana (and many other states, I've come to find out).

    "If you don't like the weather in Indiana, don't worry. Wait ten minutes and it'll change."

    I can't even begin to count the number of times I would be coming home from work around 8pm and a few tiny snowflakes would be falling. Then you wake up in the morning and there's two fresh feet of snow on the ground.

    Point being if no finer mind than MINE can watch the weather report, one would think "experienced climbers" would have caught on to the novelty.
  • hotaka said on Jan 04, 2007....

    Vertical Limit. Seen it. Exciting at times. Stupid in parts. A bit over the edge for me. I think parts of the K2 climb were actually filmed in New Zealand. I seem to remember seeing Aoraki/Mt. Cook in the background. Speaking of K2, I have an album by Don Airey that tells the story of a British Climbing party that lost, I think it was 12 members on K2.

    As for whether climbing is a right or a priviledge, I never liked fences and "Keep Out" signs and I don't like being told I can't do something. I can respect private property if people have something to protect but sometimes you see these no tresspassing signs on a bit open piece of land with some interesting rock formations on the hill side. It's frustrating not to be able to go over. Last September I had some senior gentleman tell me I should go down the mountain because it was too dangerous for me. I respected his advice and went back to the camp but I was extremely agitated by the way he spoke to me, like I was some novice who didn't know what I was doing. I climbed that route the next morning and reached the first peak in time for sunrise. It was not hard and not dangerous for me. But then again, I am half his age.

    I think there should definately be some "rules" or regulations. Increased rescue fees and required insurance are good ideas. Also, for dangerous climbs party members should have to register and have their equipment list approved by the ranger station. If they are missing something essential they should have to get it or give up. Of course, accidents will still happen, but the point is to cut down on stupid accidents.

    I just came back from a road trip around the South and Central Alps of Japan. Seeing some of those white peaks standing above a gathering sea of clouds really made me want to strap on my snow shoes and hoof it up there. Many of Japan's top mountain photographers go up in the cold of winter and get the most amazing photos that the summer climbers will never be able to capture. I know my limits as a hiker and I am aware of the dangers of mountaineering. But still I feel an urge to get up to the tops of the mountains. Like an obese dieter eye-balling a piece of chocolate cake, I have to look aware to break the spell that the mountains have over me.

  • GumpyJumptooth said on Jan 04, 2007....
    Hotaka,

    Actually, I feel for the climber who plans, prepares, and is the victim of a sudden, freak weather system.

    I still don't understand the risk/reward--but someone who does all the right things?  I can empathize with them.

    I think it's high time there were either some qualification or certification required for climbs on mountains over a certain elevation--and insurance should be mandatory.

    Two other "world expert" climbers are missing on a peak in China right now--and have been missing for around six weeks.  Didn't tell anyone what route.  Didn't tell anyone their plans.  Just "Hey, driver, be back here in several days!"

    Thanks as always Hotaka.

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