• carmachu said on Nov 29, 2006....

  Its illegal. Dont do it.
   
  But I'm not going to look down at folks who do. The music industry mafia makes more thana bit with little given back. CD's of music arent worth the $20-$22 they charge. So I'm not going to cry a tear if you do....
   
   
  But as long as the music mafia on high sues to make people not eb able....not much to do about it.

• melodii said on Nov 29, 2006....

  i'm sure you know piracy is huge biz in asia, dvds, vcds, cds, mp3s, pc games, video games, designers clothings, bags, etc. anything that is clonable goes!
   
  do you think these goods deserve the high price tags where only those who are wealthy enough to enjoy & have them?! as long as i can get the value for money goods that i want & like, i don't really care. somehow i don't think the "owners" of the brands/IPs are starving coz of the cloning, just not making as huge a profit as they would like.

• lioneljay said on Nov 29, 2006....

  What kind of CDs do your friends buy? Mine are really sturdy and I don't think I could rip one if I used channel lock pliers.

• Alyss said on Nov 29, 2006....

  ed; this is a sore subject for me. I have no problem with ripping media I own for my own copies or with sending a track or two to friends so they can make an informed decision about their own purchases and have received tracks that way myself and then in most cases gone out to buy my own copy but I don't rip music other than that.
  
  My husband however rips left right and centre (I'm imagining flatulence jokes at this point for some reason <g>} which annoys me greatly.

• MissMimi said on Nov 29, 2006....

  LJ, you obviously are not trying hard enough.  Just yesterday I dropped a CD on the floor and when I rolled backward to pick it up...yep, you guessed it, I rolled right over the damn thing.  Now I have two matching pieces of trash!

• FaithfulDisciple said on Nov 29, 2006....

  Ed, check out this site for more sophisticated ripping software Gracenote, this site provides various ripper encoders that support the Gracenote music database feature.  IMX, Gracenote offers a more comprehensive and complete database of CD information.
  
  The only time ripping becomes wrong when it is done for commercial purposes as in the rip product is intentionally made for rent or sale.  But if it's only for private use, the specific use is within the rights granted.
  

• phyxius_has_risen said on Nov 30, 2006....

  When the music companys stop overcharging for music and they make all songs available then I will frown upon illigal downloads as far as I am concerned at this point is fuck em.

• bullblogg said on Nov 30, 2006....

  i think it is fine to rip music- cds cost a fortune and god knows they dont need the money-better in our pockets than theirs, i say!!! i use 'lime wire' and i have to say its a brilliant programme for ripping music..it is legal but all it does is rip movies and music..yet doing that is illegal!!! go figure!!!lol
  

• harriedpsychmajor said on Nov 30, 2006....

  I usually rip music from CD's I already have. I rip them on to my computer at work so I don't have to carry them all around. And I have no inhibitions about ripping/burning CD's I borrow from friends. It's no different than recording music on tape from one medium to another, so there shouldn't be any legal squabbles over that. The more pressing legal issue comes when burned CD's are being sold by those creeps you see on the subway with duffel bags full of bootleg stuff.
  
  But good luck trying to rip a burned CD that isn't a direct burn of another CD. My friend burned me two albums from the same artist onto one CD and the info won't show up because the data don't align exactly. So if it's gonna show up on my Last.fm account I'll have to put in the album info manually. That's a chore.
  

• silverwhisper said on Nov 30, 2006....

  there appears to be a lot of confusion on the matter...
  
  carmachu: no, it isn't. fair use allows you to make a copy for yourself, just like everyone used to record LPs onto cassettes.
  
  melodii: except that what you're advocating is actually theft, you know. surely BMW doesn't deserve all the money that you pay for a z3 roadster, do they? if you argue that people don't deserve payment for their products, you argue that they should give things away for nothing and i think that's incredibly wrong. if i create something, i set the price for it, not you, wouldn't you agree?
  
  LJ: [trout-smack]
  
  alyss: ugh, i find that quite distressing.
  
  mimi: why does that not surprise me? :>
  
  FD: well said. the fair-use principle should take care of personal use.
  
  phyxius: and would you argue that tommy hilfiger shouldn't charge as much for his shirts so you should be entitled to steal them? that's basically the argument you're using here, isn't it?
  
  bull: um...limewire is of rather dubious legality. and if you argue that it's expensive so you shouldn't have to spend for it, you, like phyxius, argue that you shouldn't save your money and buy it the way you would clothing. are you sure you really mean that?
  
  harried: he burned 'em onto different CDs? why?!
  
  ed

• nytquill17 said on Nov 30, 2006....

  I very rarely rip from a CD I (or my husband, or my parents in the old days) don't already own.  I do have a small-to-medium collection of downloaded individual tracks and tracks received from friends.  It's pretty static now, though; i.e. I add to it rarely if ever these days.  I know it's illegal and that if everyone justifies themselves by saying "just a few won't hurt" then it will, eventually, hurt.  On the other hand I don't have any qualms about my collection, and I do feel that the RIAA has gone unchallenged for far too long (I try not to be too political about my music habits, but it does make me feel better).  I don't have problems with other people doing it either, though I would be a bit leery of someone downloading or ripping left and right - I try to at least stay conscious of the fact that what I'm doing is not exactly kosher, instead of "Wheeee! free songs EVERYWHERE!"
  
   I have a little rule of thumb for myself: if it's a big, highly successful band, my $20 isn't going to mean too much to them and I feel less guilty about it.  If it's a less-well-known, more struggling group, then that money might have more impact.  I might still download a song or two, but I will make an effort to go and buy the CD later on.
  
  I guess it comes down to: I know I'm not within my rights, but I feel that I'm still within reason.
  

• phyxius_has_risen said on Nov 30, 2006....

  In America, there are people who are working for $5.15 an hour and supporting families that can not afford to pay the price of CDs. Along comes Napster and offers these people away of getting the music they enjoy free. For years, Napster ran with this concept and with no problems until one day, the record companies decided that they were not making enough money and raised a big stink about it. Things changed it all stopped for the most part. However, you might think that the music companies would learn a little bit from what went on and lower their price to where everyone could afford to buy their CDs but they didn’t they raise the price even more and went after the poor with lawsuits. What really frosts my ass is the fact they did not go after the people who made it possible for the poor to download the music. As far as walking into any store and taking a CD or a shirt is it wrong as far as downloading……fuck em.

• silverwhisper said on Dec 01, 2006....

  nyt: oddly, i think smaller acts are more interested in making sure you've actually heard 'em.
  
  phyxius: actually, the RIAA has a legitimate beef. look at the commenters who said "i don't have to pay for this if i want to have it". if i want the music, i'll pay for it. the artists that i like own the rights to their own material so if i buy the album, it goes to the artist, not the record label.
  
  ed

• nytquill17 said on Dec 01, 2006....

  SW:  If you like the South Park style of humor, they have an episode about stealing music that's pretty funny.  Sometimes South Park is just too gross for me, but it can be pretty genius at times.
  

• silverwhisper said on Dec 01, 2006....

  the best ever south park ep had to be the one where they parodied the lord of the rings films. that was comic genius! yeah, sometimes they're a bit too crass for my tastes but i've always felt that if you aren't at some point offended by south park, there's something wrong with you. :>
  
  ed

• melodii said on Dec 01, 2006....

  you're right, it is theft. does that mean copying privately for personal use are not theft?!
   
  well, i thought the price for whatever product is set by demand & supply, as what i learned in economics?! i agree that the designers do set the prices, but if no one buys them...
   
  i am not saying they do not deserve to make money, they do! but at such high profits?! what i am saying is that the products should be reasonably priced, that's all, so more people can enjoy them.

• silverwhisper said on Dec 01, 2006....

  melodii: in the US, yes it does mean that. in the US, a legal precept called "fair use" permits us to make a copy for personal use or back-up purposes. i'm not sure how it works where you are, though.
  
  you're right of course that supply & demand should dictate pricing, but remember, that's the theory: the reality is that many market forces act to set the price. that's why price wars will break out periodically, no? :>
  
  and as to what reasonable pricing is--since you probably aren't much better informed on what factors dictate the price, how can you be certain whether it is or isn't a reasonable price?
  
  ed

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