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Do Men Like Fat Women?

www.sex.love.dating.advice.com posted on Nov 29, 2006 | views: 31659 | Tags: Do men like fat women, fat women, fat, men, women, Sean, obesity, sex, fatphobia, Thin, douche, physical preferences, female bodies, curvy, weight, bbw, obese, Predicament, just to set it straight, India, reply to anonymous, love, firm, table, Donte Roberts Detroit, Being big aint so bad, gorgeous, sean is stupid, toned, wow, Mi, lawl, healthy, se la vie, sean is a dick, Amanda Turner, women/nina, fit, why is this fat/skinny topic so important, sean is still a dick, anon rocks, cesbabie, sean sucks balls, Take care, ugh, sean still sucks balls, for Sean, Fat woman, Nifferbutts, Curvy knockout, men fat, abnormal, dd, itallrollsdownhill, to anonymous and other heavier girls, I would say so, Do Men like Fat Woman, addictive, sex with big women/ my name is mave, but whos to say, Meds, SEAN IS RIGHT THOSE WHO CAN HELP THEMSELVES ARENT WHEN THEY SHOULD, Orlando, violator, confidence, dumb people suck, teacher, chocolate, BraystreetLad, small one, fat women men, skinny, sean is a hypocrite, overweight, just me a fatty, health, Seriously, malo84, fat chick and men, dating, fat love, SeanRenaud, Thick madam, unhappy, like, ya, fat men
I recently was confronted with a very interesting question: Do men like fat women? How fat do men like their women? Do men only like skinny women? What size of women do men like? How do women know what size men like? Is there a norm? Right about then, I realized that the answer is quite shady. No one really truly knows if men like fat women or not. You see, back in the olden days, women were congratulated for the extra pounds they carried around. If a woman was fat, that meant her man was rich. However, the times have turned and now, we are stuck in a predicament. What do men like? Fat or skinny.

I don't want to know what you think, I want to know the truth. Do men truly like fat women. Lets please get some input on this. I honestly believe you will be surprised to hear that a lot of men are physically turned on by FAT women. Am I right?


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  • danetteb said on Nov 29, 2006....
    My boyfriend likes me skinny.  Not just thin, but the muscles must be toned and firm.  A bigger girl isn't as bad as a flabby girl.  But that's just one guy's opinion.
  • www.sex.love.dating.advice.com said on Nov 29, 2006....
    That is interesting. Do you mind me asking if he is a bigger man, or more tone man himself? Sometimes men prefer women who are similar shape wise...
  • maemae said on Nov 29, 2006....
    I am a bigger girl and every man I have been with (chubby chasers and NON) have loved the way my ass feels when we have sex doggy style.  Not to mention that they just think I'm better at sex than most women they have been with.  I don't know if that has anything to do with me being fat, but it sure is telling that sexuality is more than just skin (or fat) deep.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 29, 2006....
    We prefer women to be slend,er notskinnb but thin.  And as for women being fat in the old days being a good thing that really isn't accurate.  Because so many people were malnourished back in the day what they thought of as fat we would think of as normal.  Kinda like Britanny Spears would be huge if she lived in Etheopia.
  • www.sex.love.dating.advice.com said on Nov 29, 2006....
    Very true, Britney would be huge...but why do men like thin, is it cause they don't like fat? I hear you on the big butt Mae...I mean it makes sense. I have had guy friends who say they like skinny women, but end up with the thicker girls, or girls with meat on their bones. I don't know I am not really preferenced one way or the other, but don't men like Boobs? 
  • ALIENated said on Nov 29, 2006....
    I cannot speak for all men, but I mostly like women naked. And, maemae is right. I love big butts, just like the songs says. Mmmm mmmm mmmm. I guess I would say I like big, but not real flabby. Too many folds are not that attractive. Too skinny is not that attractive either.
  • satyr said on Nov 29, 2006....
    I honestly think it is entirely a personal preference.  I happen to prefer women who are more on the thin side but not skinny, but I know many, many men who like their women big.  And I know big men that like big women and more slender guys who like big women and vice versa.  I think the media stereotype of "beautiful" has a lot to do with the overall perception men aren't that attracted to big women.
  • danetteb said on Nov 29, 2006....
    You were asking about my bf's size?  Yeah, he is more toned - not flabby @ all ;)

    As for men liking boobies, I think that's a bit of a cliché - my bf prefers a nice tight butt.

    But I suppose its a personal preference thing ;)
  • missb said on Nov 30, 2006....
    Ok, my bf doesn't really like fat girls or big girls for that matter. But i think that's just preference. His older brother likes big girls though. His girlfriends were all big and fat. My bf is 6'1" and his weight changes often but never drastic. He's not flabby though, more toned i think. Me myself is well, not fat. But I'm asian so my frame can be considered petite perhaps.
     
    I used to be skinny. Not anorexic skinny but toned and firm skinny. A lot of people thought I would be better if i put on a bit of weight, though. They said i lacked the "glow". I used to be 5'2" and 99lbs.
     
    Now I'm 105lbs. People said it's the perfect weight for me. I'm quite happy with my weight as well. If i go back to my old weight, my butt and chest size will reduce as well, so i don't want that :)
     
    Cheers!
  • GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 30, 2006....
    It takes all kinds. 

    To me, I find different aspects beautiful on different women.  I've known a few fellas who looooove big women.  It's not like they're taking one for the team, or anything.  They actively seek them.  Whatever floats your boat, right?

    It's not about size(of body parts, or in general), but the connection one makes with another, I think.  How that person makes you feel, no?
  • anonymous said on Jul 20, 2007....
    I think even men who are attracted to big girls wind up giving into the pressures of other men and society. I am engaged to a man that LOVED my body when we met (I'm a big girl), but then he joined the military and now he is always telling me how he meets girls and they have great bodies and told me that he found it hard to have anything nice to say about me because I'm not thin...my weight hasn't changed since we met. I don't think people realize how hard it is to be accepted when your big and a lot of guys are guilty of making their friends feel below them for dating a big girl. I honestly believed I was abolutely beautiful when I met my fiance and now....I can't find a single good thing about me. Anyone can be beautiful in someone else's eyes....this isn't a question with a solid answer.
  • anonymous said on Sep 06, 2007....
    I am a bigger woman. I feel that I am a beautiful woman. The men I meet like me for my personality. To add to the comment from MaeMae, Men also think that I am better at sex than most skinny women. I don't know the reason for that either. Maybe because we already bigger that we go with what feels good and not how we look doing it you know? Im not sure that makes any sense. I also have to add that most White men like thinner women. Any other race doesn't really have a broblem with weight. I married a Samoan and they are naturally big people. They have no preference for skinny or big women. They go strickly on beauty and personality. My way of thinking is this..... If they don't like me cause I'm fat that's their problem.
  • anonymous said on Oct 16, 2007....
    fat women are quite sweet in bed (believe me!!!!!!) especially when they bend down for the doggy style of sex.the way thier big butts shoot out.i've got a couple of pictures taken with my big statured gf and she seems to appreciate the way she looks in the sex photos.big rules!!!!
  • pookiedookie said on Oct 30, 2007....

    Most men I know like all women!  I definitely do!  I like short ones, tall ones, big ones, small ones, blondes, brunettes, redheads too.  I like red ones, yellow ones, black ones, brown ones, white ones, I like mixed or not mixed.  I like women**fat ones skinny ones, small chested ones, large chested ones, big asses, small asses.  I like women.

    Duke


     

  • anonymous said on Dec 27, 2007....
    A research shows that 70% of men like women with some meat on their bodies. From this, I think quite men love fat women. I know there are a lot of FA which means bbw admirers(http://www.largeplace.com)
  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 27, 2007....
    They say they like girls with meat.  This is when they are given runway models as a comparison point though.  We like boobs and butts and if you are so skinny that you don't form either obviously you're not attractive to a lot of guys.  That is entirely different from finding overweight women attractive.  Gods people are fucking deaf, dumb and blind.
  • sexy_laydee said on Dec 31, 2007....

    Men like all different types of women it's a fact!  I am bigger than some of my friends yet i have had more boyfriends than them all put together.  Confidence is what makes a girl sexy not size.  If a big girl comes across a man who judges her just because of her size is he really worth it any way?  Someone said that their boyfriend likes her to be skinny, not just thin but toned as well.  If your boyfriend really liked you he shouldn't care if you are skinny or not.  I think big women are beautiful and men should start admitting they think that too instead of just copying off what their mates think.

  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 31, 2007....
    If your boyfriends or even friends cared they wouldn't let you be overweight.  The heath risks are well documented.  So yeah being fat means you don't take care of yourself.
     
    That said confidence does go a long way, but that's like the old adage about it's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.  Well grand master martial artists aside I can tell you that two guys equal training, bigger guy wins 90% of the time.  Two girls equal confidence, the girl closer to her ideal weight wins hands down.  Not the rail thin chick, not the fat chick.
  • anonymous said on Feb 08, 2008....
    As a woman who has been on both sides of the thin and fat scale(115lbs-220lbs), I can honestly say that more men were physically attracted to me when I was somewhere in between (145lbs-165lbs).
    Confidence, however, is important. I think that big women lack confidence in themselves because of what the media portrays. I lost the love of my life because i gained 30lbs, not because he stopped loving me but because I just didn't have confidence in myself anymore. I became bitter and jealous of every woman that was thinner than I was and broke up with him because I thought I was unworthy.
    There are men who like big women so as long as she loves herself fist. It sounds cliche, but it's true, no one will love you if you don't love yourself first.If he is looking for a life-long relationship, then he will not be looking at your body but rahter he will be looking at your personality (no one looks the same after 50yrs).
  • anonymous said on Jun 01, 2008....
    This is coming from a women on the bigger side of the scale. I can say that I have meet many guys and have lots of friends. But those guys that I have meet, have always stayed friends. I watched those guys look at other women and make those women their own. Then they would always ask me for advice, like what to say, how to say it, and if what they thought was romantic, was fine. I watched them get their hearts broken and I was always there, but I was never the girl they wanted to be with. I was always told that I was a great friend. And that always killed me.
    I have girl friends. They are there for me and I'm there for them. Like when my friends dated men that liked them for their looks and always wanted them to look nice. Then their men would let them go, because they weren't good looking anymore. I was there to make them fell so much better. Make them feel good about themselves, just so that they can do it all over again.
    My mom has never liked me for who I am. That was the main reason why I never wanted to date. If my own mother didn't like me for who I was, then who would!
    Then I read books and watched movies, and yes must of that is fiction, but someone thought of it. It became published and made into a mager motion picture, so it must be ture "Love". Like Hair Spary and so much more!
    I'm happy with who I am and if a guy can't see what I see then, that guy doesn't know what he's missing!
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 01, 2008....
    I suppose that's partially true. The thing about being happy with you are if you are out of shape that's a reflection of your values.  It's the same as driving a dirty car, not showering.  What, you can't find the time?  Maybe, just maybe you are that one person who really can't find time.  The rest of us manage to find time for the Simpsons, twenty four, internet surfing and blogging.  We have the time, we don't have the desire. 
     
    Why should I give you a chance to convince me that your personality is great when I alredy know you're lazy just by laying eyes on you?  Sure there are plenty of horrible attractive people just like there are ferraris with burnt out engines, Mercedez with cracked blocks and porches with bad starters.  But when you're starting your search why would yous tart with pintos with plastic windows and  missing panels?
     
    Same goes for the ladies.  I don't expect you to take a second glance at a guy who can't see fit to find his way into a gym, shave (or groom as appopriate), take care of himself (and possibly you depending on how much of a feminist you are) financially. 
  • anonymous said on Jun 27, 2008....
    Many times, being overweight has nothing to do with laziness. What a stereotype! I have been on both sides of the spectrum. First, let me say that I come from a family of large people, genetics is (and that is medically documented for me and my family) a predisposition in my family. At 220 lbs, I was a gorgeous woman, but didn't see myself that way then. Now at 307 i have serious emotional and health issues. However, my schedule, work, home, family, hobby, spiritual and social have always been extremely busy. Not even to mention the fact that i have been up and down with my weight all my life. Now that I'm over 40, I need to see a doctor because all the things I know to do to not only lose weight, but also to be healthier are just not working. You are reading this from a woman who exercised (cardio) 4 or 5 times weekly and participated in weight training 3 times weekly. The last time I kept the weight off, I did so for more than 5 years before gaining again. I am busier now more than ever and use public transportation. My walks from my bus stops to my home and work destinations are 20 minute walks. 5 days a week, I walk briskly for 20 minutes, 4 times daily and my weight will not budge right now. So don't even say that being "fat" is all about being "lazy". That is not always true. I will also add that when I was successful at losing weight, I was appreciative of what I looked like before I could be successful at losing. No matter how active you are, if you "hate yourself" it is difficult to be "healthy", be it physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually or otherwise. I'm not saying that it's healthy to not care about one's weight, but I am saying that being overly judgmental and prejudiced about obesity DOES NOT HELP THE SITUATION. Just setting the record strait.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 27, 2008....
    LoL.  There are people who have problems the that's not the vast majority.  If it was the ratio of fat people would be relatively static, instead of you know rising and rising around the world.  Odd how where cars and McDonalds meet fat people seem to start occuring more quickly. 
     
    It's hard to get weight off once you get it, it's easier to keep it off, ladies have a harder time of it than guys do. 
     
    Being accepting of it as we have become, you're beautiful just the way you are.  It's no different from seeing a friend smoking or shooting up and saying your beautiful the way you are.  You can't claim to care for somebody and not try to get them to better themselves.  It's just a matter of how.
  • imagejade said on Jul 25, 2008....
    Lol I'm a fat girl and I don't have a problem with that. No, I don't have any problems getting boyfriends, either. I think it's shocking to read the comments stating that if someone is fat, they must be lazy and don't care about themselves. That's ridiculous!! I'm fat cause I love to cook and really love to eat. And also, exercise feels mostly like torture to me. But just like most of the guys comments on here, I have preferences too on what I think is an attractive man: I like my men to be tall and more on the meaty side cause I llike my man to be with me instead of in some gym. I don't really find guys who are super hairy or super thin to be handsome at all but like I said, it's just my preferences. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I care about myself....I eat healthy, although larger portions than I should, I'm active, and I shower and brush my teeth everyday. If you don't like fat girls, that's ok, but don't say it's because it's obvious that they are lazy and don't care about themselves.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 25, 2008....
    Good luck with your triple bypass and diabetes!
  • babygrl157 said on Jul 29, 2008....
    im overweight and im not lazy so that is a HUGE stereotype because i eat irght and exercise but i still cant loose weight, it doesent mean im fuckin lazy bitch that said that !!
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 29, 2008....
    Even if it that's true you'd be one of the few, people aren't getting fatter aroudn the world because they can't loose weight, it's happening because they don't care.  If you're part of the 1% who can't loose weight I pity you, but I can't help but think you're absolutely full of shit and couldn't be bothered to go on a diet and excercise three or more times a week until you get this shit under control.
  • Bamboogirl25 said on Aug 01, 2008....
    SeanRenaud....what the hell is your problem? People make comments on this page to state their opinion, and all you do is trash talk about what they have said. Why don’t you get a life and quit trash talking! It’s pretty pathetic to read all your comments. You are an immature jerk and an asshole! Grow UP!
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 01, 2008....
    Just because I point out lies and ignorance wherever I find them doesn't make me bad. 
  • Dohntaye said on Aug 03, 2008....
    Well I dont Like fat women but I have had a big girfriend only because I was broke and she was taking care of me but medium thin about 180 is the limit for a woman 5'2 to 6'1 my girlfriend was 5'0 239 so she was big with three kids that was'nt mine im 22 shes 34 that also was a factor and it was a bad relationship I feel sorry for fat women its a health problem my advise loose weight
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 03, 2008....
    Don't say that Dohntaye!  That makes you a horrible mysogynist!  (Of course I advice fat guys to loose weight too, but that's ok cus mens' feelings don't matter!)
     
    LoL.
  • anonymous said on Aug 09, 2008....
    Wow, SeanRenaud, troll much? Trust me, I'm not lazy and I don't eat mass quantities of crap. I'm in the gym 5 to 6 days a week working hard to get to my heart rate up to zone 1 of my cardio and continuing with the weights supersetting muscle groups to keep my heart rate up. I average about 1600 calories a day because I can't physically eat chat much more. On the days I work out, I burn 3000 or more calories. Your assumption that we're all fat and lazy proves that you're a lazy thinker. Get a brain. Get a life.
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 09, 2008....
    That's why your're a anon?  LoL.  Besides there are acceptions to any rule if you happen to be one of them I pity you, but you aren't the general rule and you should understand if the shoe don't fit don't wear it.
  • anonymous said on Sep 23, 2008....
    im a chubby girl but not that really fat. men like my body because im cute and chubby. i'm 5'2'' that's what they said.
  • alwaysinheels said on Sep 25, 2008....
    ok, im a fat woman, I was a fat girl, even my petite mother advised me to wear black because "a person your size needs it" I am 5'4,150lbs, size 6/8 Hispanic woman. I have a Master's Degree, am well traveled, spiritual and caring. None of those things matter. I don't date because men arent attracted to me, those who do have fat girl fesishes or worse. I am not voluptous, curvy or sexy. I dont look like J Lo, Alba, Selma or even America. I work out 5/6 days a week, eat under 1000 cal a day, and keep it under 15 grams of fat and carbs a day. At my last doctors appt. my doctor advised me that I am morbidly obese and he can't figure out why I cant loose weight. I can't either. I am tired of hearing skinny women cry about weighing 115 lbs. or that their size 2's dont fit anymore. I am tired of hearing how men like "meat" on thier women, the fact of the matter is men like the J Lo's, Alba's and Selma's. They DO NOT WANT a woman my size anywhere near them. Do I stay healthy, yes, because I have children to take care of and ensure they grow up with a mother who can provide for them. Will I most likely spend the rest of my life without a companion, probably because the fact of the matter is men like the trophy, they want the size 0's 2's and 4's. They want the perfect breasts, butts and legs, the perfect hair and face. Don't ever fool yourselves into believing they dont.
  • anonymous said on Oct 26, 2008....
    At my heaviest when I was 22, I was a size 24. When I met my husband I was a size 18, and am now getting back into an 18. I just wanted to point out to all of you...That there are some MAJOR factors in someone's weight, that has nothing to do with laziness. Before I started my gluten free life, I could, and was going to the gym and working out Hard for one and a half hours, six days a week...cardio and strength, and I would eat the same things and ammounts of food that my thin husband eats...And NOTHING! My scale would not go down. And I would keep at it...
    I have PCOS as well, which slows down your metab...So, between the wheat allergy, and the Hormone problems...It has been a journey for me to figure out how my body can even begin to loose weight SLOWLY. All fat people are not lazy...Even at my heaviest I was eating home cooked meals, whole grains...
    The same thing doesn't work for everyone. And as for my husband liking me...This has been a topic in our house lately. He recently told me that he doesn't think to be jealous of me, or doesn't think other guys are checking me out, because I am not the kind of girl most men are attracted to, skinny, blonde, porn girl. That crushed me...
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    I think I have a pretty face...And all the men I have been with have been very attractive men...I just really quesion now whether my husband really thinks I am sexy or not...Or if he feels trapped
  • knockout said on Nov 03, 2008....
    I think guys are most happy with curvy women ones with asses and boobs and curvy legs and a waist line. Men have always liked me Im 5'11 and about 160lbs. I wear a 34 E cup a size 11 jean but they are always to big in the waist. I say this- be happy with what you got. I think men like all different kinds of girls. All men are different and some may even have preferences. But I dont think men would pick a size 2 over a curvy knockout size 12. SO whats the biggie!!! Media is sucking these women into a dilusion that you have to be a size 2 or 6. Women if you honestly beleive that Angelina Jolie really looks like that without the lights make-up and computer or if porn stars really look like that then you got bigger issues then your weight!!!!
  • ashlasl said on Nov 08, 2008....
    i think you are beautiful anon, dont ever let a stupid egotistical maniac tell you different, he(sean) wants a small girl so he can get his small xxxxx in her, you are all beautiful women inside and out, men prefer women who care about themselves and dont obsess on there looks.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 08, 2008....

    LoL.  I suppose I needn't bother.  Diabetes and heart failure will kill all the fatties anyway so it's not like anybody else needs to worry about helping them improve. 

    PS.  Whoever told the most recent Anon that she was fat has never seen fat.

  • anonymous said on Nov 12, 2008....
    mae mae, seems to be popular in this section.. hello mae. well im a big girl and the man im with love big girls , cause he loves to have something to hold on to, he loves big butts and doggy style is his postion so he is happy with that, his big thing is as long as ur nice and clean and have high self esteem, not just big and sloppy.. Maev
  • anonymous said on Dec 04, 2008....
    I'm an intelligent woman in my early twenties who is well-kept. I have spent most of my life avoiding the idea of acknowledging my weight on any level and I've found that men respond to this first and foremost. Over the years, because being severely overweight (400+) wasn't healthy for me, I have dropped a significant amount of weight, which has not only improved the clarity and glow of my skin, but also the way that I walk and carry myself. For many years, usually during my teens, though I wasn't unconfident (having a brain will always give me more confidence than which way the scale tips), I was apprehensive to date because I believed any man who actively pursued me wasn't going to treat me as I believe I deserved to be treated. That's not necessarily true. A man will treat you as well as you expect him to. If not, he should not be your man. The best advice to thicker women is this: pay no attention to the images on the billboards and the images on the billboards will flock to you. I will always be a thick woman (between 195-225), I have no problem with this. I attend an excellent college, I have career prospects I'm incredibly proud of and I'm outgoing. These qualities alone (along with my love of respectable fashion) make me proud of who I am, so whether or not men are looking at me and saying "holy shit, she's fine!" doesn't matter to me. And because of this disregard for the opinions of others, I've been able to connect with men and women who, above all else, respect me. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the attention I get, it just means that it isn't my life. It shouldn't be yours, either. Desire starts in the mind, ladies. Men love a woman who believes in herself, because, in turn, she will believe in him.
  • BraystreetLad said on Dec 22, 2008....
    I'm a classically handsome,muscular,somewhat beefy(5'9'',223 lb.,48'' chest,51'' chest expanded,42'' waist,18.5'' biceps),and I'm after big(real)hair,big boobs(her bra, 34D-42D),leggy white(preferably blonde) or dark-skinned black babes,24-34.
  • anonymous said on Jan 17, 2009....
    Lies and ignorance? That's a kind of ironic laugh coming from the person who's posted more of them than anyone else on this thread. Sean has perhaps never heard of insulin resistance? Candida? Addictive overeating caused by depression? All of these are very common, all lead to weight gain and none can be overcome by stopping being 'lazy'. Yes, we accept that lack of exercise in modern life is largely responsible for obesity increasing. That, and the enormous amount of political power held by the sugar lobby, especially in the US, that uses influence to hide the truth about carb addiction and to fill foods with cheap, nutrition free calories. After all, people eat fewer calories on average now, but are much fatter than in the past; there's lack of exercise and lack of nutrition to be tackled, yes, but I dispute the conclusion that therefore 'all' people have to do is 'be less lazy'. Many larger people who exercise regularly and don't eat too badly are healthier than the naturally skinny, who don't have to try; exercise will protect a fatter person against heart disease just as well. Fat does NOT always equal unhealthy; it does suck that morons automatically assume they can tell by looking at a person how healthy they are, and that they think a skinny woman that survives on cigarettes and burgers and never exercises must take better care of herself than someone larger who goes to the gym and eats fruit and veg. *That's* ignorance. Insulin resistance in particular as a physical cause is very powerful - low blood sugar causes awful feelings, both physically and psychologically, and even 'healthy' carbs can cause that spike in blood sugar that leads to too much insulin being released, which stores the energy as fat and leaves you weak, dizzy, exhausted etc. Yeah we all know about low carb diets now, and they do help, but carbs are so prevalent (those farmers) that it's a bit like trying to be a vegan. You have to remember that the self righteous bleating about 'laziness' has nothing to do with it; you're asking people to severely restrict their lives, long term, just so that a boor like Sean won't sneer at them. Psychological problems like addictive overeating caused by depression or anxiety are also very real and very common. There's an overeaters anonymous programme just like AA or NA. Would Sean tell a junkie that they were just too stupid and lazy to kick the smack or would he acknowledge that maybe some personal problems combined with genetic tendencies put the problem somewhat beyond that level of control? Actually, he probably does think that crack addicts just need to be told that he thinks they're ugly and they'll stop right away. And really that's the overall point. No one likes being fat; no one wants to be fat. We live in the west in 2009. We *know* what we look like, we know there's a billion diets out there; when the Seans of the world snigger or just plain ignore us, we aren't surprised because we thought we looked great. Christ. The fact is that IF TELLING PEOPLE TO STOP BEING LAZY HELPED, NO ONE WOULD BE FAT. It's counter-productive. The way out of the vicious circle is to stop the blame and the guilt and the spite and all the other reactions we get from the world that send our self esteem through the floor and convince us we're worthless. It would be great if we all could reclaim our self worth, feel like we deserve to do things for ourselves to help us be healthier, and if we stopped paying any attention at all to what ignorant wankers think of us. Yes, men prefer thin women. Let's let that be their problem and stop listening to all the arse they talk. They just want us to hate ourselves so we won't expect to be treated well by them, after all.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jan 17, 2009....

    1st.  Your an anon and your opinion means just more than shit.

    2nd.  I've heard of most of the conditions you mention but the fact is that most obese people don't suffer from these problems and you know it.

    3rd.  Even if they did it wouldn't make men find them attractive.  Vitalago is "natural" and I've yet to find anybody who thinks its sexy or attractive.  So are pimples and body odar.

    4th learn how to use paragraph breaks so that someone can read your shit.

    5th if telling people to stop being lazy didn't work we'd have  fat military, fat athletes and fat people in physical jobs.  As a rule we don't. . .care to wager why?

  • awhispersecho said on Jan 29, 2009....
    I am a 32 yr old male. I just want to say that alot more men like fat women than you think. They just won't admit it. I personally am not able to even be with a skinny woman. I do not find women who look like 12 year old girls sexy or attractive at all. Real women have curves and some of us love women with more than just curves. Take all your models and actresses, stand them together and block out their heads. They all look the same. They're bodies are exactly the same. They look like young girls and some with no figure at all look like a young boy. I actually think it is scary that society is attracted to women who no longer look like women. I even think it has contributed to what seems like an increase in pedofiles because there is quite often no distinction between a 12 year old girl and an adult woman's body other than the age. You don't really want me to get started about the totally made up obesity epidemic. I have spent the last few years of my life researching any and everything about this and it disgusts me that people are so blind to the manipulation and lies. Anyway. fat women out there, you are beautiful, you are sexy, you are real women. Alot of guys adore you. Do not let anyone make you feel different. We have size 2 women dying form eating disorders and we're calling them too fat. People need to wake up.
  • osoDelicious said on Feb 02, 2009....
    Wow, a heated discussion mostly dominated by a lonely guy named sean?! And a woman trying har to prove herslf wrothy to him?! Why would you do that? Being big/fat/obese is hard enugh without people trying to "help" by making us feel like we are not accepted the way we are. If you can show someon that you accept them the way they are then you might be able to gain some trust so they will be more open to your advise. Making fun, staring, pointing, and lauging doesn't help in anyway. Big women of the world Don't be so hard on yourself. There are real men out there who like you fat..loll yeah the love big asses and rolls and all. There are also men who love you for you and don't care if your fat unless you obviously do( my husband is one of these men). I am happily married with a very active sex life, 2 kids a wonderful husband who supports me and does want me to be more active because he knows I WANT TO. But if I didn't want to he would be alright with that, because he loves my big buns! Oh yeah they are so big, much more than just meaty, they are lucious and Juicy you know, like a ribeye steak! LOL Peace and love to all. Acceptance of all; especially yourself.
  • anonymous said on Feb 02, 2009....
    As harsh as it may seem, Sean makes more sense than those of you spouting off reasons for people to be obese. Being obese is NOT healthy and it is NOT something that should be taken lightly. If you are obese, it would be best to stop making excuses and to start working hard toward a healthy bmi. Since it appears that the majority of "obese advocates" on this site are probably younger in age (20 to mid 30s) it is not surprising that obesity is seen in a positive "open minded" light.  

    Trust me, although many overweight adults may BELIEVE that they are perfectly healthy and normal, they most certainly are NOT. If you are overweight now, you will indefinitely "pay" for it down the road. Ask my 72 year old overweight grandparents who have been in and out of the hospital for the past three  years afflicted with heart attacks, kidney disease, diabetes, degenerating knee caps from weight strain, etc. Their reasoning for being overweight: they loved to eat and they hated to exercise. Sound familiar?

    So ladies, the next time you feel the need to excuse your "fatness" by talking about how much men love "curves" and how they'd rather be with a fat woman instead of a thin woman that looks like a twelve year old "boy" (which is a very distasteful, ignorant and MEAN remark might I add) just remember that although you may feel fine TODAY, 20-30 years from now you WILL suffer health wise and you WILL pay the consequences for not having the willpower to say no to that "juicy ribeye steak".
  • anonymous said on Feb 02, 2009....
    As harsh as it may seem, Sean makes more sense than those of you spouting off reasons for people to be obese. Being obese is NOT healthy and it is NOT something that should be taken lightly. If you are obese, it would be best to stop making excuses and to start working hard toward a healthy bmi. Since it appears that the majority of "obese advocates" on this site are probably younger in age (20 to mid 30s) it is not surprising that obesity is seen in a positive "open minded" light.  

    Trust me, although many overweight adults may BELIEVE that they are perfectly healthy and normal, they most certainly are NOT. If you are overweight now, you will indefinitely "pay" for it down the road. Ask my 72 year old overweight grandparents who have been in and out of the hospital for the past three  years afflicted with heart attacks, kidney disease, diabetes, degenerating knee caps from weight strain, etc. Their reasoning for being overweight: they loved to eat and they hated to exercise. Sound familiar?

    So ladies, the next time you feel the need to excuse your "fatness" by talking about how much men love "curves" and how they'd rather be with a fat woman instead of a thin woman that looks like a twelve year old "boy" just remember that although you may feel fine TODAY, 20-30 years from now you WILL suffer health wise and you WILL pay the consequences for not having the willpower to say no to that "juicy ribeye steak".
  • anonymous said on Feb 07, 2009....
    I've been told by several men that they like women who are comfortable with themselves- because secure women are not 'crazy' (and believe me, all men think women are insane to begin with). To that Sean Guy: I definitely don't think being morbidly obese is attractive but that doesn't mean that all fat people are lazy. I have friends who are thinner than me and don't exercise at all and eat McDonald's, Taco Bell and ice cream several times a week. But that doesn't mean that thin people are all lazy either. I think that exercise today (like most other things) is a lifestyle preference. Some people just hate it, and thats fine. It's not for everyone and not everyone should have to work out, just like not everyone should have to diet if they don't want to. We live in a free country. Me? I'm 5'6, 145 pounds and follow the South Beach Diet religiously. I just love the diet- it makes me feel really good. I was 135 pounds when I started college- and then ballooned to 175 pounds in 3 years (gradually, it just creeped up on me). Last fall, I decided that I needed to change my lifestyle and eating habits and I was really, honestly, ready for the commitment. I'm working hard at my diet and, after 30 pounds lost I feel and look pretty fantastic! As for men, I've honestly never had a problem in that area. Men have always found me attractive, even when I was a teenager. I met my boyfriend my freshman year when I was lighter, and we've been together for three years. He didn't care that I was heavier, but I did. I noticed that when I was at my heaviest that I just felt awful because I didn't understand how I let myself get that big- I wanted to eat horribly and not pay the consequences. My total lack of confidence was a turn off, and I myself didn't even want to have sex because I was embarrassed by my body and my lifestyle. Anyways- I think body image is completely personal. If women who are large feel gorgeous and sexy, then thats exactly what they are. Same goes for women who are thin or short or old. It's all about finding a weight that you feel comfortable and sexy in and the rest just falls into place.
  • ragekage91 said on Feb 12, 2009....
    well im fat...not chubby...im fat. im 5'9 & 260 lbs. and it sucks. but im currently on a diet to lose weight. ive lost 20 lbs so far. and i know guys who would date me but they're all old :( and don't get me wrong i LOVE older guys...but im not even 18 yet. but in a few months i will be. and how would that look? and going to high school or school period as a fat person, SUCKS. guys NEVER give you a second thought. fat guys can get skinny chicks. but nooooooooo, fat girls, we get jack. =/ but secretly, i know for a fact that ATLEAST 80% of the guys at my school would date a fat chick, but like a lot of you said before, they gotta watch their image. i mean you might find the ACCEPTABLE guy or two who will admit what he likes and go for it. but its a rarity. but yeah being fat SUCKS.
  • SeanRenaud said on Feb 14, 2009....

    80%?  You're way over betting there.  Maybe 40% tops and that's if she had a great personality.

     

  • awhispersecho said on Feb 16, 2009....
    Ragekage91. Being fat shouldn't suck. Just remember, there are some of us men, more than you think. That don't give skinny women a second thought. I have no respect for skinny women who try to conform to what our government dictates and what the fashion industry says is attractive. I have all the respect in the world for bigger women who are true to themselves and proud of who they are. That is attractive.
  • SeanRenaud said on Feb 16, 2009....
    It's true.  There are guys with such little respect for themselves that they would intentionaly look for people who wont' live long enough to discover how pathetic they are! Heart Attacks,High Blood Presure, Diabetes these things are just incredibly attractive!
  • blm9276 said on Mar 03, 2009....
    People come in all shapes and sizes..there are physically good looking fat and skinny people, and physically ugly fat and skinny people. Some people look better chubby than skinny, and some look better skinny than fat. Real attraction has nothing to do with looks..I have known many an ugly person, and upon getting to know them, those looks changed for the better, and have met physically gorgeous people and upon getting to know them, I thought they were the ugliest person I had ever met. Society as a whole is shallow as all get out. Just look at plastic surgery etc (which I think is just plain nasty and rude to your family and heritage). Divorce is rampant and no one knows what love really is anyway. Everyone has different preferences. I like chocolate ice cream over strawberry... but does that make strawberry bad? No! If you do not want or like a fat woman or man..fine! If you do..fine! But let me tell you, if you do not start looking and basing your relationship(s) upon more than meets the eye, you are in for a world of disappointment, either way. Grow a heart and soul people. One day you will have wrinkles, gray hair, and saggy skin... so what are you going to use to compensate that? What would you do if your beautiful spouse got in an accident and burnt off his/her face or lost an arm or leg? You had better make sure their insides are what is BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY, otherwise why bother (unless all you are is a sex fiend)??!! Peace!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 03, 2009....

    Cus it would suck to get attached to a lard ass and have her die in her thirties of diabetes, forties of heart attack or fifties of liver failure?  Should i go on to point out that obesity creepin up as the leading cause of death in this nation?  Face it, being attracted to obesity is being attracted to death.  Course I know hat's how some of you roll!

  • anonymous said on Mar 04, 2009....
    OM NOM NOM NOM
  • blm9276 said on Mar 04, 2009....
    well if fat people are the LAZY ones, how come pan-handlers are always so skinny? Oh and don't forget all the skinny people that have died in their 40's and 50's from pancreatic cancer etc because they smoke like chimneys or do drugs or drink too much (you can add whatever lifestyle choice you wish, but don't bring that up because they are skinny so it's different) etc... There are plenty of fat old people. I know plenty of fat people who work 40+ hours and raise families and have grandchildren etc. There are plenty of thin, average, and fat people with health issues etc, but hey, use the stereotype to your own desires...it's your life (however judgemental and crass) ;)
  • anonymous said on Mar 13, 2009....
    There are Lot's of reason why there are "fat people" genetics, medications, life experiences...etc... The problem here is some people are justifying their hate for overweight people, and overweight people are justifying their obesity to them. Hmmmm...simple...people have a preference and we can simply not help that! I don't think it really matters to me what shape people are...some people are shallow and only interested in sex and what turns them on. Others are interested in relationships, feelings and personalities, which in turn makes them attracted to the person no matter what their size. The wonderful thing about free will and thought is, we can be with who we want to be with. If you don't like fat people, don't get with them...simple! If you don't like shallow and in the "box" thinking people, don't listen to them cos their opinion shouldn't matter to you! There is simply more to life then this...love yourself..if you don't, do something about it..don't justify it! That's all I have to say...(except to say I'm 50, overweight and my husband is 9 years younger, handsome and fit, we were married almost 3 years ago ;) Peace! xx
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Mar 13, 2009....
  • anonymous said on Mar 15, 2009....
    Big, small, it all is irrelevant. It has to do with who you are. I have been on both sides of the scale, so I know. Men, most, honestly don't know what they want. If a man wants you to change something about yourself... he doesn't want you. Never had a problem dating... some guys liked me others didn't. This is all very silly! There are people that are thin and lazy. I have girlfriends who refuse to go to the gym and they wear size 5! I workout with and without a trainer and I am a fabulous size 16. I'm changing in size but one thing remains the same... I love me! Once a guys says your pretty but you need to change this, Fuck him! To all the young girls out ther feeling the pressure, don't let the media tell you, who you are. It's true that other cultures (not white)love big women but I han a few them that holler loud and clear. If everyone would truly be who they are, this whole topic would of been squashed a long time ago. So to all big, skinny, fat, thin, tall and petit, be all you can be. Word of advice to all the immature people dropping comments fit for high school... grow up. If you have to start what your saying with my bf says I need to... you have very little confidence, no one should want you change anything but God. Positive & True!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 15, 2009....

    LoL that's why you hide behind anon.  Given what we know about heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and joint damage why is ANYBODY defending not doing whatever you can to stay at a healthy weight?  Why is not okay to say I love you but i wish you would lose some weight but it's okay to say any of the following:

    1. I love you but I wish you wouldn't drink so much?
    2. I love you but I wish you wouldn't smoke?
    3. I love you but I wish you didn't do drugs?
    4. I love you but I wish you weren't in a gang?

    The fact is that if you truly love someone you will always push them to be the very best that THEY can be, accepting them for who they are is some stupid fairy tale bullshit that assumes that everybody is perfect the way that they are.  They aren't.  I'm not, you aren't, your wife isn't.  If you love your friends and family you would always push them to be healthier and better in all ways.  Period. 

  • anonymous said on Mar 15, 2009....
    There is a difference between defending being fat and unhealthy, and women coming to this forum to find out if anyone can truly find them pretty the way they are. I think any woman here, was looking for some opinions as to whether there are men who can really LOVE and think they are HOT with extra weight. I don't think anyone here is saying being fat IS healthy...so much as they would like to point out that they know they lead healthier lifestyles than many of their skinny friends do, and they are still overweight. High blood pressure, cancer, fertility problems...No one knows about these risks more than fat people. They have it thrown in their face at the Dr's, family gatherings, in the grocery store, on tv... How cruel to not at least try to understand that there MUST be more to weight gain than simply not having any will power. What a joy you must be to live with Sean...So understanding, forgiving and compassionate. _The Anon that posted the pic earlier
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 16, 2009....

    Obviously there are people who have various problems.  This is not the norm.  66% of Americans do not have problems that prevent them from losing weight.  Maybe 10% does.  The rest of them have problems going to the gym and of course they shouldn't be coddled.  The only question is how best to help them.  And yes by trying to claim that you can be attractive (which is a sad fact, my ex was more than a tad thick and I still love her) overweight is trying to defend it.  It's funny.  We won't let people smoke in movies anymore because we know that having heros smoke on television increases the likelihood of them smoking but we turn around say we shouldn't judge other unhealthy habits the same way.

  • blm9276 said on Mar 17, 2009....
    Sean...please get real... Most people do not say "I love you, but I wish you would lose weight".. They say... "Hey fatty, hey tub o lard, hey wide load, hey chubby, hey big mama/papa, hey hippo, lose weight or I will leave you, you are a big fat pig, you are a disgusting fatso, go on a diet, have some self respect, you are nasty, your are a loser, you are lazy, you are gross, you should be ashamed, you should stop eating, you should be shot, you should die, you should go away, fat people smell, fat people live off the government, fat people do not work, fat people have fat kids, fat people eat nothing but junk, fat people are not sexy, fat people should be shot, fat people should be sent to their own island, beep beep beep backin up the truck, you are disgusting, you will never find a boyfriend/girlfriend, no on likes fat people, all fat people do is watch tv and eat, etc etc etc...." (we have heard them all) Please tell me how you can HATE someone for their own GOOD? Do you think fat people live in some void where they don't know that weight CAN hurt them? Have you ever been fat and struggled with losing weight? NO? Then I kindly ask that you be quiet unless you now how hard it is and walk a mile in a fat persons shoes. I salute all those fat people who can hear such negativity every day and still try and be positive! Fat people probably have the most loving hearts (heart disease or not) Now, go do yourself some good and LOVE yourself a fat person today! Who knows...they might lose weight just because you were actually NICE! :D
  • anonymous said on Mar 17, 2009....
    The overnite celebrity of this post seems to be all perfect... No one is! Everyone has a choice to make. The point is that people assume that every fat person is not loveable, so far from the truth. I choose to loose my weight when I was good and ready not because of a man. Like I said before( sean ) Love who you are first! If you don't love yourself you won't make the right decision for you. Choice... we all have a choice! I'm slimmer now and single go figure, but that's my choice because I'm to busy loving myself. I don't want to get skinny either, I will always be a thick healthy mommy. Tits, ass, thighs all my big assets, LOL! I remain Anon... don't need no celebrity status SeanUAin'tPerfect.
  • kay05 said on Mar 17, 2009....
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 18, 2009....

    LOL.  It is so fucking funny to watch this batch of fucking losers.  You're right, most people aren't polite in their criticism.  I'm still waiting for someone ot say why it's okay to say "I wish you didn't do crack/smoke/drink too much but it's not okay to say I wish you didn't eat so much"  course the truth is that I"m right.  But whatever.

    Most people are harsh, its your friends and family who bear the responsibility of trying to fix you.  The problem is that when society accepts you as you are you tend to start getting the impression that there is nothing wrong you.

    Fat people are lazy.  Period. End discusion.  The fatties who have legit issues well live with it.  Be like Micheal Jackson.  I mean it's not like he doesn't have a disease that makes him turn whiter and whiter. . .no wait you don't buy it either?  Sad.  I do.  I'm fairly sure he does have a disease but he's one out of how many?

  • anonymous said on Mar 18, 2009....
    All big people are not lazy, ass! I guess your mom was big and now u resent all big people. To criticise someone you don't have to be a PRICK! For your information no one can fix another person because that person still has to look in the mirror and identify for themselves whats wrong wit themselves also. Anyways, the question is, ''Do Men Like Fat Women'', yes, they do! Just because you disagree don't get mad. What's wrong with you Sean? Go look in the mirror... Listen to Michael Jackson's, ''Man in the Mirror'', LOL___
     
  • anonymous said on Mar 18, 2009....
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Hahahahhaha...I read the last 2 responses this morning..the last made me laugh..ty The only reason why Sean has celebrity status is cos people keep responding to his ignorance. Dear Sean I'm sorry it seemed I was hiding behind anon, actually I'm the one just above reapersgirl4ever, came up anon because I commented before I signed up, assuming makes an ass out of you! Do you know what is the bomb for my husband? Stockings, garters and corsets..he likes the little glimpses of "fat" here and there.....lol Awww Sean I still love you despite your flaws...lol xx
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 18, 2009....
    well at least you have the bravery to come out and admit who you are.  It doesn't make being a cow okay.  I hope your hubby is still enjoying those glimpses of fat when you die of heart failure and he knows he encouraged your unhealthy life style
  • Wellkeptsecret said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Sean, I wanted to actually thank you for these posts...As it has done for me, the opposit that I think you intended it to do... It has made me realize that yes, there are guys like you...Who just think we are lazy, and who assume that we will die from some weight related issue..That there are guys like you who just have a mission in life to degrade people into change... Then there are other people...like a lot of the ones who have posted here...Who realize we all have life style issues that we can change...unprotected sex, lack of cardio, eating too much meat, driving careless...the list goes on....But people like me, and people like the men who have posted saying yes, women who are heavier are still attractive to them realize, that we all could do better. We all could be healthier than we are. So, all these posts have made me realize, I don't even need to remotely waste my time caring what the people like you think...Because you are just so set on guilting, and shaming people into change...Guilt and shame come from Satan. God is loving, wants us to change for the better, but doesn't try to hurt our feelings... So, thank you.
  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Sean's mommy must have been a big fat fatty that beat that ass on a regular, it's the only explanation for the innate hatred of fat people (especially women). BTW, moron...my husband is in the ARMY. People go into the military physically fit as a basic ass requirement (they have weight/height requirement), concerned parents don't send their overweight spawn to the ARMY so Drill Sergeants can bark at them to 'be less lazy' until they are magically transformed into soldiers. Christ you're an idiot. Same with athletes...they aren't fit because someone taunted them about being lazy jackass. It's because they are motherfu**in' athletes and they spend their LIVES perfecting their skills. When someone spouts off 'be less lazy' you get your ass off the couch and pick up your dirty clothes asshole, not skip around the block a few times and drop a significant amount of weight. If lazy was the only problem we could FORCE people into a 'normal' weight range by taking them to fat camp and strapping them onto a treadmill. I've lost 100 pounds since having my three children, the youngest of which is 1 yr old. Trust me, it wasn't because I woke up and had a moment of clarity in which I thought to myself...if only I were less lazy. Anyway, talk your shit on the computer you badass...it's fun to laugh at your stupidity. HEY LOOK...NO PARAGRAPH BREAKS...SUCK IT!
  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Sean's mommy must have been a big fat fatty that beat that ass on a regular, it's the only explanation for the innate hatred of fat people (especially women). BTW, moron...my husband is in the ARMY. People go into the military physically fit as a basic ass requirement (they have weight/height requirement), concerned parents don't send their overweight spawn to the ARMY so Drill Sergeants can bark at them to 'be less lazy' until they are magically transformed into soldiers. Christ you're an idiot. Same with athletes...they aren't fit because someone taunted them about being lazy jackass. It's because they are motherfu**in' athletes and they spend their LIVES perfecting their skills. When someone spouts off 'be less lazy' you get your ass off the couch and pick up your dirty clothes asshole, not skip around the block a few times and drop a significant amount of weight. If lazy was the only problem we could FORCE people into a 'normal' weight range by taking them to fat camp and strapping them onto a treadmill. I've lost 100 pounds since having my three children, the youngest of which is 1 yr old. Trust me, it wasn't because I woke up and had a moment of clarity in which I thought to myself...if only I were less lazy. Anyway, talk your shit on the computer you badass...it's fun to laugh at your stupidity. HEY LOOK...NO PARAGRAPH BREAKS...SUCK IT!
  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Sean's mommy must have been a big fat fatty that beat that ass on a regular, it's the only explanation for the innate hatred of fat people (especially women). BTW, moron...my husband is in the ARMY. People go into the military physically fit as a basic ass requirement (they have weight/height requirement), concerned parents don't send their overweight spawn to the ARMY so Drill Sergeants can bark at them to 'be less lazy' until they are magically transformed into soldiers. Christ you're an idiot. Same with athletes...they aren't fit because someone taunted them about being lazy jackass. It's because they are motherfu**in' athletes and they spend their LIVES perfecting their skills. When someone spouts off 'be less lazy' you get your ass off the couch and pick up your dirty clothes asshole, not skip around the block a few times and drop a significant amount of weight. If lazy was the only problem we could FORCE people into a 'normal' weight range by taking them to fat camp and strapping them onto a treadmill. I've lost 100 pounds since having my three children, the youngest of which is 1 yr old. Trust me, it wasn't because I woke up and had a moment of clarity in which I thought to myself...if only I were less lazy. Anyway, talk your shit on the computer you badass...it's fun to laugh at your stupidity. HEY LOOK...NO PARAGRAPH BREAKS...SUCK IT!
  • blm9276 said on Mar 18, 2009....
    Sean.... sighhhh... you want people to "see the light" yet you yourself choose to be close minded, which only makes you a ...what??? HYPOCRITE! I am sorry you don't like fat people but truly it is your own problem. Don't date one, don't marry one, but don't judge those who do or those who choose to stay fat and want love. I am sure you have issues that someone will have to deal with upon being in a relationship with you and you expect them to be understanding. All I can say is.. Thank the Lord that it's not me or any woman (fat or not) I know ;) You seem too high maintenance and too negative. Men should be simple and positive, like a puppy! :D
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 18, 2009....

    LoL.  You have to be reasonably fit to join the military yes.  But you can still be a fatty and get in the Army.  You're either a liar or an idiot.  And no I don't expect people to be understanding with me.  It's selfish to ask others to settle for less than what they want in life.  So they can deal or they can move on and it's that simple.

    The thing here and I didn't hear anybody say anything.  So why is it no okay to critize a fattie for being fat but it's okay to send your friend AA if he's a drunkie or to rehab if he does crack? 

  • Wellkeptsecret said on Mar 19, 2009....

    Simple fact is, most people don't call drunks or druggies IDIOTS, morons, cows, or stupid when they are trying to get them help...It's usually a loving, we care about you and don't want you to die thing...

    Which no one here is saying that they don't appreciate people's LOVING support at loosing weight...Like, my mom bought me a stationary bike, and a bike trailer for my daughter so working out is easier for me to get done.  That didn't make me feel BAD, like she was telling me that I am a loser for being fat...Just, that she was using her resources to help me,

    Sean, it is clear most people's problem with you, is your approach to the whole matter. If you said the negative, mean things to a drunk or duggie, that you do to fat people, the drunks and druggies would never get help either.  You would just spin them into a self defeated, angry fit...

    Simple fact...It is OKAY to tryto help a Druggie, Drunk, Fat person...Whoever you feel needs help...But their is a difference between helping them, and shaming and guilting them...

    Maybe you should explain to us how you have helped all these drunks and druggies you know...and we'll see i your methods are the same for helping all the fatties you know...

  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 19, 2009....
    OH ok....so you're in the ARMY and you would know what it takes to get in? Seems to me I have ACTUAL knowledge on the subject whereas you're just talking shit that you don't REALLY know anything about...that makes you ignorant and overall retarded to come here laying down your preceived interpretation of things as fact. I think you're a douche and since I'm FAIRLY CERTAIN this is true...I'm gonna go ahead and say that it's an absolute fact...I doubt anyone other than you would disagree.
  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Furthermore dumbass....CRITICIZING someone for being fat is very, very different than sending a freind to AA. You can compare, bringing a friend to a Weight Watchers meeting to AA....but not criticism with actual, proactive help. Damn you're as dumb as they come.
  • blm9276 said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Wellkeptsecret: well said :)
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 19, 2009....

    No.  I'm in the MArines and they have higher standards than the army and even in the Marines you can be pretty out of shape and overweight and get in.  They put you on half rats and punish you every fifteen minutes but you get in.  So again on the subject you're either a liar or a fool.

    So your point is that there is no difference and I"m right and your wrong.  There is no difference between sending someone to AA.  Obviously you wouldn't send someone to Weight Watchers.  It's kinda rude.  What you would do (or what I do) is go to the mall more often, there is lots of walking involved in that.  I simply stopped purchasing soda for people who were overweight in my life which was easy cus I mostly drink water anyway but it finally broke them of the habit of Coke with breakfast.  You just keep working on it.

    If you'd actually read this entire thing or any real post by me you'd know that I stress at all times EFFECTIVE and APPROPRIATE actions.  Obviously whatever motion you take to get your loved ones to lose weight and stay in shape has to be positive or else they will tune you out and then you've gotten no where or worse you're possibly worse off than where you started.  At the same time you cannot just accept them for who they are.  That's not love, not even close.  If they aren't pushing you to suceed that's not love either.  It's what we've been taught to settle for because hardly anybody really finds the One.  They find good enough and we've been taught that's ok.  I personally blame marriage but that's another issue all together.

    That said in a forum like this there is no point in discussing it.  The point is to make sure people know that this behavior is not OKAY and that liars get called on it.  I get enough private messages from people to know that there are a lot of people who agree with me.  I message them back about what cowards they are not to mention it here and he counted, but I'm far from alone on this issue.  It's like discussing Creationism vs Evolution.  Everybody with a lick of sense knows that Creationism is complete bullshit, the goal is to make those last few people feel stupid and ridiculed so they'll keep there stupid opinions to themselves rather than poisoning the youth with their ignorance. 

  • ImTHATBitch said on Mar 19, 2009....
    OH!! You're a Marine (NAVY)...that explains A LOT! Mostly the ignorant stupidity and your rigid 'It's too much work to be tactful' approach...LMAO....I should have known. Let the record show that I don't believe you're a Marine (ironically, my sister's hubby is a Marine)....I believe you troll the net and become whatever you need to be in order to gain some kind of credability, but IF you are...it suits you, mostly on an itellectual level, or lack thereof. I do like how anyone who is 'brave' enough to disagree with any of your views will ultmiately be ridculed and have their OPINIONS stricken as stupid all because why? Because you're the authority on any said topic? Wait....no, that's why it's an opinion....because it's NOT fact you idiot and just because YOU don't agree doesn't make it stupid. UGH...you're a giant, unintelligent waste of energy. People like you HAVE to come on the net to talk to others, because nobody who knows you wants anything to do with you, especially on a conversational level. WTF OVER! I have YET to see you even make an APPROPRIATE statement about overweight people, let alone trust that you are actually capable of taking an appropriate action to help someone, so please save that BS for someone else. Also, not everyone's idea of love is the same, so while pushing may be one person's ideal...acceptance is another's. You're right, liars (you) do get called on their crap. I SERIOUSLY doubt someone would take the time to privately message you just to agree, when it's easier to post a 'HELL YEAH!!' right here and can even be done anonymously, so theres nothing to lose, gain or fear. Furthermore, many people have been even bolder in outright disagreeing with you, knowing the impending argument, so to say that people who are too cowardess to post their support of you here are e-mailing you props is absolutely ridiculous. You're a delusional fool...feverishly checking your inbox for replies and imaginary private messages boosting your overly inflated ego.
  • blm9276 said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Sean I think what you really need is a hug! Angry little jarhead. :P
  • shiftingplates said on Mar 19, 2009....
    Because someone keeps giving people shit about posting anonymously: 
    1. I posted anonymously a little over month ago (Feb 7th) 
    2. I did so because I will probably never use this site outside of this one thread
    3. I hate posting anonymously, I usually never do on any website
    4. To publicly 'unveil' myself, here is a link to my myspace page which I use       roughly once every three months or so- www.myspace.com/shiftingplates 
    -Alexis
  • anonymous said on Mar 26, 2009....
    Check this out it cheered me up and its funny as hell! http://www.bbwcupid.com/the-top-8-things-skinny-girls-cant-do.cfm Take that skinny girls!
  • warped313 said on Mar 29, 2009....
    Most weight problems are not just because we are lazy or whatever. There's tons of skinny people who are twice as lazy as fat people but have a higher metabolism because of genetics. One friend I have eats literally 7 times a day and never gains weight because she has such a high metabolism. I have a whole family of fat men and women and its because of our ancestors, and I was born unhealthy so my dad always made me eat more so he knew I was getting the energy and didn't pass out. I have been fat since I was very young and have tried many things to lose weight, nothing has worked. Men liking big or skinny women is really a matter of their opinion and honestly anyone who cares about looks over personality is a shallow pig and needs to just be castrated. 
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 29, 2009....

    Bullshit.  Most weight problems are because people are lazy and over eat.  There are tons of skinny people with great genetics, who gives a shit.  I think you're lying to be perfectly honest but who cares.  The amount of people who are overweight because of genetics are less than 10% and obviously there is nothing they can do about the situation so there is no point in really bothering them because they can't fix it.

    Fact is most fat people are fat because choices they make and those choices tell alot about their personality.  A man (or woman) who respects themselves can never date someone who doesn't respect themselves and if you respected yourself you'd treat your body like a temple and care for it.

  • reapersgirl4ever said on Mar 30, 2009....

    Medical Research Council

     

    18 January 2009

    Three genetic variations that together can increase a young child’s risk of becoming severely obese by 50% are revealed by research published in the journal Nature Genetics.

    Together with existing research, the new findings should ultimately provide tools to predict which young children are at risk of becoming obese. Health professionals could then intervene to help such children before they develop weight problems, say the researchers from Imperial College London, the French National Research Institute CNRS and other international institutions.

    In the UK, one in ten children under the age of six is obese, according to the Department of Health’s National Child Measurement Programme 2007/08.

    In the ten-year study, scientists looked at the genetic makeup of obese children under six and morbidly obese adults, most of whom had been obese since childhood or adolescence, and compared this with people of normal weight at the same age. The study reveals three previously unidentified genetic variations that significantly increase the risk of severe obesity, providing new insight into the reasons why some people become obese and others do not.

    The gene variant most strongly associated with childhood obesity and adult morbid obesity in the study is located near the PTER gene, the function of which is not known. This variant is estimated to account for up to a third of all childhood obesity, and a fifth of all cases of adult obesity.

    The second variant associated with child and adult obesity is found in the NPC1 gene. Previous studies in mice have suggested that this gene has a role in controlling appetite, as mice with a non-functioning NPC1 gene suffer late-onset weight loss and have poor food intake. This gene variant accounts for around 10 per cent of all childhood obesity and about 14 per cent of adult morbid obesity cases.

    The final variant is found near the MAF gene, which controls the production of the hormones insulin and glucagon, as well as chains of amino acids called glucagon-like peptides. These hormones and peptides are known to play key roles in people's metabolisms by metabolising glucose and carbohydrates in the body. In addition, glucagon and glucagon-like peptides appear to have a strong effect on people's ability to feel 'full' or satiated after eating. This variant accounts for about 6 per cent of early-onset obesity in children, and 16 per cent of adult morbid obesity.

    Further research is needed to determine whether the gene variants are acting independently, but if they are, then together these three new variations may account for up to half of all cases of severe adult and child obesity.

    Professor Philippe Froguel, one of the authors of the study from the Department of Genomic Medicine at Imperial College London said:

    “When young children become obese, their lives can be affected in a very negative way. Sadly, obese children are often unfairly stigmatised and they can suffer heart and lung problems, painful joints, diabetes and cancer as they grow up.’’

    “Understanding the genetic basis of obesity is the first step towards helping these children. Once we identify the genes responsible, we can develop ways to screen children to find out who is most at risk of becoming obese. Hopefully we can then intervene with measures such as behavioural therapy, to make sure a child forms healthy eating habits and does not develop a weight problem,” added Professor Froguel.

    The researchers reached their conclusions by conducting a genome-wide association study of 1,380 Europeans with early-onset childhood obesity and adult morbid obesity, and 1,416 age-matched normal weight controls. The study revealed 38 genetic markers with a strong association to a higher than normal body mass index, which the researchers evaluated in 14,186 Europeans, identifying three mutations that are significantly linked to obesity.

    This work was supported by grants from the Medical Research Council, the Agence Nationale de la Recherche, the Conseil Regional Nord-Pas de Calais / Fonds européen de développement économique et régional, and Genome Quebec / Genome Canada. The German cohorts and projects were supported by grants from the German Research Council.

    Original research paper: Genome-wide association study for early-onset and morbid adult obesity identifies three new risk loci in European populations is published online in Nature Genetics.

    Happy Reading

    Cheers

    Cindy

    xx

  • blm9276 said on Mar 30, 2009....
    Sean Have you, or do you date women who smoke cigs or pot, or have done or do drugs (even tylenol ruins the liver)? How about drive too fast or sit too close to the TV or wear too much perfume.. or drink foods with pesticides or antibiotics in them... (I could go on and on) because if you have/do those people have ALL put their TEMPLES at risk and have not respected them! The end. Thanks for sharing!
  • SeanRenaud said on Mar 30, 2009....
    No smokers.  I won't date druggies, but the use of tylenol produces more good than bad.  When drinking and drinking related cuases become the #1 killer then I'll feel a litle more strongly about it.
  • anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009....
    Yeah, so, SeanRenaud. Probably the kind of guy who gets off on violent rape fantasies and has a deep seated hatred for all women. You're probably going to kill one someday since you know none of us will ever love you; I'm sure the misogynistic atmosphere of the military will help these issues of yours nicely, too. Sweet work using sources and credible language debating, though. Saying "you're stupid, I'm right" over and over is really winsome and convincing. Lawl.
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 01, 2009....

    And being a cowardly anon is always useless.  Actually I've made my case quite articulately.  And nobody has had any reason why it's okay to live an unhealthy life or how you could claim to love someone and not help them live a healthier life style. 

    Yeah I do get off on some of that stuff.  But I love women.  Maybe I will kill someone some day, but I won't get caught so it won't matter.  :-)

  • blm9276 said on Apr 02, 2009....
    the key word being "help" Sean... your words have shown that you would not help but try and "shame" them. And according to you most fat people are lazy and just eat too much..and I quote "Most weight problems are because people are lazy and over eat." Truthfully all you have done is show that you are prejudiced against fat people. Period. So again I state... don't date them, don't marry them... what's it to you if people like them and want to be with them. Just go to the gym, sip your fat free latte and live your life and they can live theirs. Take for example.. I personally think married people who divorce/separate for reasons other than their spouse cheated or abused them are wrong. I think it shows weak character, lack of commitment and a total lack of understanding of what love really is. I also think people who are promiscuous lack moral fiber and put themselves at major risk for unwanted pregnancies and disease. Do you think though that I let that impact my life, or do you think that my opinions really impact the people who do this?? Sorry.. NO! I am not so narcissistic as to believe that. I am entitled to my opinion as you or whoever is entitled to theirs, BUT in then end THEY ARE ADULTS AND WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT AND SO WILL I! If they work and pay for their food or couches to be "lazy" on WHY DO YOU CARE???!!! I mean really why? why why why why why why why why??? Does the fat person live in your house? do they drive your car? talk on your phone? use you bank account? sleep in your bed? Then who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 02, 2009....

    Wow...I would think by now the "horse" had been beaten to death.

    Frankly this fat chick has better things to do, then to keep checking on my email responces to this particular blog.

    First of all.....go back to the beginning...the question is to men, some men, people really find over weight, fat obese people, women attractive. (I don't like to generalize) the has been freindly banter and not so friendly insults thrown around and really missing the point.

    So...I think I shall unlink this very productive (scarsasm there) blog and go ...I donno, work in the garden, take a walk, make brownies, just fade away and live my life.

    Oh brief message from my husband; My wife appreciates and loves me the way I am, I am short, have high blood pressure and high cholesterol (this runs in my family) I am a FIT guy and love up my wife anytime I can, whereas she is 9 years older then I, yes she is a jolly plump woman, but no high blood pressure, no high cholesterol and is very active. So in turn, I love her and appreciate her just the way she is :) There is something about her, besides the weight that turns me on and keeps me interested. To each his own I guess, I would never have known a few years ago I would date or even marry an over weight woman, but now it seriously doesnt matter...it's all about love!

    Later people

    Cindy

    xx

     

     

  • nina24 said on Apr 03, 2009....
    I have always been overweight one in my group of friends but when ever we would go out and meet new guys they would always end up enjoying my conversation and company alot more than my friends who were all smaller than me they would always say that i was the prettiest in the group my so called friends used to drink alot and when they were drunk they would always call me a whore because the guy that they were trying to talk to would always prefer to hang out with me even if i was clearly not that into me....one of their boyfriends said to me that i was one of the prettiest girls he has ever met and that i have so much confidence in myself and so much going for me and all that my friends had was a thin body and he said girls like that don't last in long relationships they're only good for the moment... and that is true because out of all of them i have had the longest relationships and i was also the first and only one to be married. my husband loves and adores me and he says that my weight is fine and that because of my height that it doesn't look like i am as big as the scale says he knows that i am very active we often go for walks in the evening just to spend time without the tv or any other distractions and he always says that God obviously didn't want me to be on the thinner side because i don't overeat i am active...all i know is that a man loves a woman with a mind, with confidence, with sex appeal and an appetite for crazy things in the bed....i am happy with my body size and my husband is as well....and let me tell u this i have some double d's and not so much of a booty but my husband is always saying he thinks it's getting bigger...lol..but neway as long as you find someone that can truly stimulate your mind you will never be happy with an overweight or a thin person...NS
  • lilichavez23 said on Apr 09, 2009....
    i cant believe this stupid sean guy has nothing better to do than to keep comin back after like 3 months or something just to talk smack about fat people. talk about no life lol what a loser!!! im 5'7 and i weigh like 145 lbs so im all good i dont really care though some of my family members are overweight but theyre okay with it and they are healthy. they dont have any heart problems or any of that stuff sean talks about and theyre not lazy we just all love food!! :) cuz its good!! my man loves me he says the physical dont matter to him and he could care less if i was fat or not and i think thats awesome cuz he loves me for me not for how i look even though he always tells me im gorgeous!! hes a little chubby but hes not fat and i love him too and guess what??? he too is perfectly healthy!!! seans just hating cuz all the curvy women turned him down!!! lol !!! and dont try to defend yourself sean cuz you know its true!! btw im beverly aka lili
  • lilichavez23 said on Apr 09, 2009....
    oh wait no...2 AND A HALF YEARS?!?!?! that is so sad!! wow you are truly obsessed sean!!!
  • lilichavez23 said on Apr 09, 2009....
    oh wait no...2 AND A HALF YEARS?!?!?! that is so sad!! wow you are truly obsessed sean!!!
  • lilichavez23 said on Apr 09, 2009....
    oh wait no...2 AND A HALF YEARS?!?!?! that is so sad!! wow you are truly obsessed sean!!!
  • lilichavez23 said on Apr 09, 2009....
    oh wait no...2 AND A HALF YEARS?!?!?! that is so sad!! wow you are truly obsessed sean!!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 12, 2009....

    1. BLM.  Most fat people are fat because of choices they have made.  Or do you honestly believe that fat genes follow the spread of McDonalds?  I mean it started in the US but as the chain has spread to China they've been steadily growing larger.  Coincidence?  I think not.  Stop being stupid.

    b. I think people who get married are practicing an arcane and stupid practice.  That said I can respect your point. 

    c.  Yes the fat people are using my money and under Obama they intend to use more of it or don't you understand what happens when the #1 killer in the US is a preventable condition coupled with Universal Health Care (which I might add is already here in the form Emergency Room visits.

    d.  What evidence is ther that I would shame them?  More importantly if the problem is my methods and not my goals why aren't you agreeing on the goal?

    2.  After a second glossing nobody else even attempted to add anything inteligent to the debate. 

    2.

  • blm9276 said on Apr 12, 2009....
    "1. BLM. Most fat people are fat because of choices they have made. Or do you honestly believe that fat genes follow the spread of McDonalds? I mean it started in the US but as the chain has spread to China they've been steadily growing larger. Coincidence? I think not. Stop being stupid." Sean, I never said why fat people were fat. You missed my point! And as far as paying for fat people... all the $$ that is spent on Medicaid... I work for managed Medicaid and the biggest chunks of your $$ going towards government healthcare is teen pregnancy, over-use/abuse of the ER (there is no co-pay for use of the ER so people use it for their doctor visits), alcohol and drug dependence rehab, childhood ADHD/ADD, and mental health disorders! So try again!
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 12, 2009....
    Your point was that because I have identified the root cause of the majority of cases that I am prejudiced.  Which is beyond assinine.  Your blatant and willing ignorance of the root cause leads the problem to get worse.  We cannot solve a problem if we we ignore the facts.
     
    Who cares what the biggest use of the ER is?  This part of it and it shouldn't be.  I dont' care if it's one tenth of one one hundredth of one thousandth of a percent.  It should be eliminated.  If you're goig to argue there are causes that should take precedent over this I'd ask you what problm is there that we have this same degree of control over as citizens.  Not as the government.  I really don't understand why there is such a strong defense of this instead of at worse arguing that my method if flawed.
     
    Again obviously there are people who do have legit medical reasons beyond their control, and there are people who are blessed with ease of weight control through superior genetics (though to be fair my EXP with those people is that they are "blessed" with the habit of pacing around and actually get "veiled" excercise.  They are the people )  But that's anecdotal, non scientific and shouldn't really matter.  These people aren't part of the discussion and they should know it.  Just like those people who can't put on weight at all like little brother aren't supposed to get upset when I make comments about underweight people (which is rare but it's also a rare problem)
  • blm9276 said on Apr 13, 2009....
    no Sean my POINT was that you are not interested in HELPING, but SHAMING!!! There is a huge difference. YOU ARE PREJUDICED AGAINST FAT PEOPLE, which leads you to have no senitivity or care.. AGAIN I SAY.. YOU CAN'T HATE SOMEONE FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Get your head out of your arrogant behind. Maybe if you actually cared about PEOPLE period you could then tell a fat person (or ANY person for that matter) that they need help and are willing to support and encourage them in a kind and loving way. Until that day comes (IF it comes) there is no getting through to you. With that said, this is my last post to you on the subject. Good day and may you grow a soul!
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 13, 2009....
    Where is the evidence that I am not interested in helping?  The day you have spoken of has happened and happens every single day.
  • x.Tia said on Apr 17, 2009....

    I had to create a screenname just to avoid being categorized as a cowardly anon. Sean, do feel flattered.

    It's so interesting to me that this topic was posted late in 2006, and the most recent comment dates back to 3 days ago. loll, let alone that the same guy is still the one provoking all the riots around here.

    I found this topic upon concern for my weight. I'm currently 124 pounds. I try to commit to cardio, but only to a limit, because I admit exercising really isn't my cup of tea. I try eating healthy, but I do fall under temptation sometimes. Still, I know people who are only a couple of pounds less than I weight and they look amazing, but I still look so much bigger, like I'm 30 more pounds more than I actually weight. It sucks, because it gives me the mindset that nothing I do will do much for me.

    With my issue said... I don't think Sean hates bigger girls. (Do you?) He just has a disgustingly bold way of saying he prefers thinner girls.
    Still, there's probably a big and beautiful girl out there who has everything it takes - including her body - to let you have a change of heart someday. I find the thought hilariously... revolutionary, in your case. loll

  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 17, 2009....

    At 124 lbs I have a hard time believing you're a "big" girl unless you're like 4'10.  That said it's not a matter of hating them at all.  Just like I don't hate smokers, or drug addicts.  The ones that are in my life I want them to improve their lives and to make steps towards it.

    I believe strongly that part of why we (Americans) are so overweight is that we don't attack it with the same moxy we do smoking.  We have how many commercials about how smoking kills? Yet smoking isn't (and never was) evne a top ten killer in the US.  However heart disease and diabetes ARE and what happens when we say we need as a nation to work on our weight problem?  I'm attacked like I'm Hitler going after Jews or something.

     

  • x.Tia said on Apr 18, 2009....

    I'm about 5'2". 5'3" is the most I'd dare say. My problem just centers around the concern that I truly look way more than I weight, and it really sucks for me because I know girls who weight 118 lbs. and they look so much smaller than I do. No exaggeration attached. I find it so unfair... So many people don't even do anything to maintain their figure, and they could eat and never exercise, and they'll still look so good. It's not like that for me, I know, I've grasped that. But even when I try to do something about my predicament, the results are uniform and more discouraging every time.

    I know what you mean - we all look and feel and ARE whoever we wanted ourselves to be. I have to disagree with your level of confronting the matter, though, because I know what's it's like for the ones who try so hard, and life won't listen to the sound of their sweat falling into the puddle their work has created. It's hard thinking there isn't hope, and most of the time, that's how people get to be the way they are. It's people like you who disapprove of them so strongly that brings them down, but then you could say that it could have gone either way - they could have taken your attitude and taken determination off of it, or they simply quit. Obviously, for some, they took to the gutter.

    Don't you all see that's why this is such an incessant topic? There will never be a real conclusion.

    I'll give you the "killer" issue, though, for two reasons.
    1. Even Hitler didn't want to fight a two-front war.
    2. Fine. I agree.

    *lmfao. The tags are funny.*

  • anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009....
    I've been a little fattie for all my life. I finally turned 14 last month and currently hold a position of "200+". Now, I'm not announcing that I HATE my weight, but I don't enjoy it either. I've always had a harder time with certain luxaries such as candy and pop, though I've cut down on that. I'm always outside jumping on my trampoline, swimming in my in-ground pool, and also eating healthy fit meals. It's been about 3 years since I started my new pro-found diet and excersise, and frankly it hasn't worked. I just can't seem to lose anything, even if I try to an extreme extent.

    I've had my ups and my downs in the "diet" though nothing was brilliant. My family has been TRYING to help, though nothing has worked. I'm going to accept who I am, I guess. If I'm fat, then that must mean I was MEANT to be fat, thus I'm going to remain fat. I'm sorry idiotic and moronic men--I'm fine with my fat.

    I'm still with my 2 and a half year boyfriend, Alek Keller-Betzold, and he hasn't quoted anything about hating me because I'm overweight. He enjoys me in bed especially. He loves my personality most of all. He also enjoys my kinkyness. I don't know, but my traits and likes are a big favorite of him. He has no problem with my weight.

    To me, if men hate women because of their particular weight, they can go fuck themselves--though most would enjoy it. Now, speaking non-religious (I'm athiest) people were made how they were supposed to be made. Period.
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 19, 2009....

    To the first poster. I understand it is difficult, particularly if you aren't overweight you simply carry your weight poorly.  There is nothing to be done for that and you aren't really part of this conversation.  You've made an effort, you are within the proper weights medically and you want something more.  I can understand and even commend the action (I think we should all strive for perfection in everything we do) but you don't have a real problem and what little problem you do have seems at least in part to be self confidence and nothing more.

    To the second.  Your fourteen have a two and a half year boyfriend and your sexually active. . .honestly that says enough about the entire situation.  If you're not completely lying about everything here you have some kind of condition.  I personally think your lying.

    People very clearly were not made.  We make ourselves.  We decide our paths in life for the most part. 

  • ShaneyD1512 said on Apr 20, 2009....

            I stumbled across this site looking for information for a college paper.  I started reading through the responses and got mesmerized.  I am currently trying to get my masters degree in sociology, this is the reason why i was looking up information. 

    Anyway i am feel so much pity reading this.  I really do.  Believe it or not SeanRenaud is the only voice of reason here.  Sure he's an asshole.  But that doesnt mean his points are not valid.  We as a society (America) are so grossly overweight its embarresing.  One of the major problems is that people who are overweight do not acknowledge that its their fault.  In almost all cases, it is.

         People talk about how others should be tolerant.  We should accept people for who they are.  The problem with that is if we start accepting this lifestyle, it hurts society as a whole. Sure overweight people will feel better about themselves but do you really want your kids growing up unhealthy? You may have gotten fat later on in life, but if your child grows up obese he may die before you.   Imagine if everyone was overweight.  Society would break down.  Life expectency would plummet.  There is nothing good about being overweight.  (when i mean overweight i mean having a BMI over 30)  
             Reading the comments here make me wonder how society will turn in 20 years.  It scare me.  And all i see here is group polarization.  People trying to make themselves and others feel better about there lifestyle choices.  I know some people cant help it, spare me the facts.  But for every person who cant control their weight 1 million say the same thing when they can.

         The bottom line is yes, some men find fat women attractive.  They are the exception though.  Almost most men find fat women repulsive.  You may say that 40 percet of men do like them, and i dont believe it.  People say that to make themselves feel better about themselves.  To feel that there is someone out there that will love them.  Sure it might happen, but stop kidding yourself.  Most men want a average girl to skinny girl.  Pretty soon the idea of skinny will be skewed because the rate of obesity will be so high.

    So the bottom line is here, stop kidding yourself, make a change in your life.  Eat right and exercise.  I dont care HOW busy you say you are.  You can spend 30 minutes a day to go walking or jogging.  You need to stop being comfortable the way you are and make a change.  Stop saying being fat is beautiful.  People who are not fat need to make you feel even MORE uncomfortable, then maybe....maybe you might change your lifestyle.

  • ImTHATBitch said on Apr 21, 2009....
    UGH!! You say smoking was never a top ten killer like heart disease and blah, blah, blah! MORON! Smoking can, in fact, cause heart disease and cancers and so if someone dies of heart disease or cancer it may not ncessarily be connsidered a smoking-related death (cause it's kind of hard to matter of factly determine the cause), even though it may very well be! Just like...GASP!...if an overweight person dies of heart disease, we can't really prove it was their weight that caused it. Damn, the ignorance is abundant. I keep getting e-mails about responses to this thread and when I come back to it I realize that while I was living my life...Sean was up late one night obsessing mid-whack, I guess. BTW, I'm not overweight, so it's not like you hurt my feelings, you're just an idiot. Well, off I go to LIVE some more (try it...its pretty cool, you get to have hobbies and stuff).
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Holy shit someone with some common sense.  And that idiot whore again.  Well focus on the positive.  You rock Shaney.  And if you'd been getting these responses for two years you'd stop being polite too.  But I feel strongly that this group think must be battled whenever and however we can
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Hi,
     
    First of all I would like to respond to ShaneyD1512 you are either Sean on an alias or you need to lean how to spell before you go onto further education, because frankly, you ignorant and you have no social skills.
     
    Second, good try Sean...
     
    Again this is a blog asking if men are attracted to fat women....
     
    Happy Spring All...get out there and enjoy!
     
    xx
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Hi,
     
    First of all I would like to respond to ShaneyD1512 you are either Sean on an alias or you need to lean how to spell before you go onto further education, because frankly, you ignorant and you have no social skills.
     
    Second, good try Sean...
     
    Again this is a blog asking if men are attracted to fat women....
     
    Happy Spring All...get out there and enjoy!
     
    xx
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 21, 2009....
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 21, 2009....
    Hi,
     
    First of all I would like to respond to ShaneyD1512 you are either Sean on an alias or you need to lean how to spell before you go onto further education, because frankly, your ignorant and you have no social skills.
     
    Second, good try Sean...
     
    Again this is a blog asking if men are attracted to fat women....
     
    Happy Spring All...get out there and enjoy!
     
    xx
  • reapersgirl4ever said on Apr 21, 2009....
    lol...looks like this site hiccuped...
     
    excuse me...
     
    xx
  • ShaneyD1512 said on Apr 21, 2009....

    I find it funny that you think im sean. I really am not. In your eyes you may never believe me though.  This proves that there are more SeanRenands out there, who think differently.  So you rationalize and say its him.   

     Everything i told you about me is true.  I have no reason to lie.   Also your comment about my spelling, well... its a message board.  I didnt know this was a term paper.  Im sorry that i didnt spend time looking over my grammer.  I hope you can get over it.  Also good thing you edited your post, you might of looked "ignorant" if you didnt change you into your after giving that little speech about grammer.

    Its not like me to go on message boards likethis and talk to random people.  You people got me so interested in talking, i think i might write a paper on this.

    Back on topic.

      Are you not aware that the USA is one of the fattest countries in the world?  Does everyone in america have a disease that makes them not lose weight?  Or are we a nation of lazy people who think that losing weight should be easy, and give up if it doenst work right away.  People who try to rationalize this by saying its not there fault are causing to to the problem.  When people put out studies, that show ways that people cant lose weight, people jump on board and say they have that.   If society banded together and said, its your own fault, i would believe many people would lose weight.  This i why i post.

  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 21, 2009....
    I actually have nothing further to add at the moment.  SC does hiccup, if you think you hit the send button, you did.  Just wait.  Also I have no alts and heavily frown upon even posting as anon.  I would never post as an alt.  Also his (I think your a guy, the name is rather ambiguous) posting style is far different from my own.  It's kinda hard to fake that.
  • Maryfuckinganne said on Apr 28, 2009....
    hahahahah! its hilarious to read everything everyone has written! im a big girl, and a very sexy one at that im lucky im well proportioned and shapely but none the less overweight! when i was lacking confidence i was always single and as soon as i gained confidence i gained male attention! I MUST STATE THAT IF YOU ARE FAT IT IS BECAUSE YOU OVER EAT AND DONT EXCERCISE! THERE IS NO EXCEPTION!(except of course steroids for treatment of illness) you have to be able to take responsibility for your weight whether its under or over! i have to say i eat healthy choices but i eat too much and never excercise! i no longer gain weight and am wearing the weight of previously stuffing myself stupid. i now maintain a certain weight and of course would like to decrease it but so dont put more emphasis on it than needed! if i had a serious health risk from my weight i would be battling it off not to impress or catch a dude but to live! my biggest question and what puzzles me is why the fuck do any of you care if men like fat or thin! who gives a shit! get some fucking confidence and rock whatever body type you are regardless of what anyone thinks! its humil to even ask the question! like why do you need their approval! thats loser talk anyway! so if your at that point still then you really havnt got it yet! i reckon SeanRenaud is intellegent and correct on the most part! people will tell themselves anything to excuse whatever they dont want to have to face! The bottomline is being hot and sexy and attractive is inward out not outward in!
  • SeanRenaud said on Apr 28, 2009....

    Go Mary, it's your birthday!  Go Mary!

    And yes it is possible to be large and sexy since I haven't mentioned that recently.  Last I checked Raven Simone was pretty damn tasty lookin.

  • Kelma123 said on May 09, 2009....
    Yes, Sean seems like a real asshole, but that's fine. Some people just have different ideas of beauty. And while he comes across as an asshole, his points aren't completely off. I am 5'7 at about 190 lbs, and I'll admit I'm not completely happy with myself. I gained weight for several reasons, and I won't use them as an excuse. I'm overweight. Done. But I don't consider myself morbidly obese, or even obese for that matter. My body weight should be about 155-160 according to my doctor, so I have that goal in mind. To those who are considered obese or morbidly obese, and you know who you are. You are beautiful, and I understand that it's hard to lose weight. But what you do have to realize is that being overweight isn't healthy. And by saying that a lot of men like overweight women, you're assuming that they like obese women. I don't doubt that this may be true, as many of my skinny guy friends have even gone as far as to marry very obese women, but what it comes down to is that it isn't healthy! If it's hard to lose weight, at least watch what you eat. Eat healthy, and walk a little further. I'm not saying you're lazy by any means, but if you want a long healthy life, you should keep in mind that the bigger (or even SKINNIER, for those who are attracted to anorexic girls) you are, the higher risk you have for health problems.. Confidence is key, and health is just as important. Take care of yourself, please! Don't just accept that men will like you even if you're really overweight, do what's right for you. If you feel like crap emotionally, go for a walk. If you feel like crap physically, do something about it!!!
  • ricanbbw said on May 10, 2009....
    www.flickr.com/photos/blueclouds85

    well first of all.. look at my pictures
    i am 23 years old and i weigh 380
    i am 5 ft 10
    I was born and raised in Puerto Rico.

    I've been heavy all of my life and have NEVER, EVER, EVER
    had ANY problems meeting men or feeling sexy.
    I know I have the personality, the face, and the body to be able to
    offer men the same that a skinny girl does and even more.

    I have never been called ugly in my life
    However, there are some who like to judge.
    But, seriously, you can talk crap online all you
    want but if you met me in person you would probably change
    your mind about big women.

    We are more loving, and some of us even are more confident.
    Which automatically makes us sexier.

    The person I am currently dating had NEVER dated a big girl before.
    Especially not one as big as me.

    The sex is the best he has ever had.

    I've never received any complaints from anyone.

    People who judge us only do it out of their own insecurities.
    Also, maybe because they are scared of the unknown.

    If you have never dated or been with a big woman I would recommend
    the experience before you start judging. 

    You will be pleasantly surprised.

    :-)
  • SeanRenaud said on May 10, 2009....

    Well despite this last poster who really isn't that bad after three years people are starting to show signs of intelect.  It is true if you howl at the wind long enough it gets smarter.  Now to turn more people atheist!

  • anonymous said on May 11, 2009....
    well i am 5'5 and i weigh about 155..... i exersise ALOT and eat alot of things which i really shiulnt eat....... so i was wondering how to get to 120 pounds by the end of the summer? please sean don't be mean... am i fat?????? i always do... i am a b cup and a size 6... is that too big? PLEASE
  • anonymous said on May 11, 2009....
    well i am 5'5 and i weigh about 155..... i exersise ALOT and eat alot of things which i really shiulnt eat....... so i was wondering how to get to 120 pounds by the end of the summer? please sean don't be mean... am i fat?????? i always do... i am a b cup and a size 6... is that too big? PLEASE
  • SeanRenaud said on May 11, 2009....
    You could try amputation.  I hear that's a good way to lose weight quickly.
  • GinaBear said on May 17, 2009....
    The saddest part about this forum is that "SeanRenaud" made a comment back in November of 2006 and is still here in May 2009 showering this topic with his frivolous insensitivity. I'm not here to cry and complain about the fact that I'm not a size 00, due to the fact that I think it's utterly ridiculous to come to a forum and ask for the approval of simpletons (with some exceptions, of course); however, I could not help but point out that Sean should find another hobby besides sitting here lecturing about health problems. It makes you look really pathetic to put it nicely. The fact of the matter is that neither men or women really know what they want. Tastes change over the years. People change over the years. You may be fat today, but in a couple years you might just find the ambition to lose weight (or gain). Health problems certainly do affect obese people, but they also affect everyone else. Genetics play a bigger role in people's health and body than some people would give credit to, but it certainly is not the only thing. I would also like to mention that being thin does not mean you are healthy. I am not referring only to eating disorders like anorexia, but I've seen thin girls who look healthy that cannot exercise as long as I can. I heard recently somewhere that being healthy can be measured by being able to walk briskly for five minutes. I don't know how great of a judge that truly is, but I know I can walk briskly quite longer than five minutes where as thinner people cannot. I'm not sure what qualifies a person as being "fat", and I honestly do not care. I am happy about who I am and my abilities. If you truly have a self esteem issue because of your weight, I believe that you should do something about it. Losing weight is hard. I know it is because I used to be about 50 pounds heavier than I am now. I didn't have high self esteem, but I am doing something about it instead of feeling sorry for myself. Last thing I would like to say is how I think it's absolutely revolting how girls are on here asking the approval of "SeanRenaud". Have more dignity in yourself! Sean is just a mean pessimist who gets off on making people feel insignificant. Don't give him the pleasure.
  • SeanRenaud said on May 18, 2009....
    Your wrong.  If I didn't genuinely care about people I would have let this subject die a long time ago on a comment like yours.  A basically you have no control over your fate just ignore it and go on.  Stop being an enabler of this society.  This is one thing that most people agree needs to change.  It's just not their problem.
  • GinaBear said on May 18, 2009....
    I believe I said that people need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get up and do something about it, BUT it is the decision of that person to do it. Your crude remarks certainly would lead me to believe your genuine "care about people" does not exist. How about offering meaningful advice instead of "You're fat and if you don't lose weight you're going to die alone."?
    ^.~
  • SeanRenaud said on May 18, 2009....
    I've given all of that, besides the kind encouragement is for friends and family.  This has more to do with getting people to stop defending it than anything else.
  • hemarprasad said on Jun 03, 2009....
    Alongside getting the rest of the world fat on highly processed, highly refined, heavily packaged food, America and Americans are now trying to convince themselves and the rest of the world that obesity is in fact a disease and not a condition born out of relentless self-abuse. When you call it a disease, you absolve people suffering from it of all responsibility and eventually get them to believe that they can't help themselves. And this in turn implies that it is up to everyone else to be kind and loving toward them; or better still, help them go in to and stay in denial so that they don't have to deal with it. The politically correct unspoken rule seems to be that: lets treat fat people with kid gloves so that they needn't feel the necessity to push themselves harder. Let's be nice to them even if it means they are setting insignificant goals for themselves; goals that might not even bear encouraging results that will make a positive difference to their lives. You can call obesity genetic, psychological, psychosomatic, contagious... whatever you like, but the truth is, it is simple math: how much you eat in relation to how physically active you are. Short of people who are obese due to medical conditions, obesity is ALWAYS self-induced. The point is not whether men like you are not, the point is that it is a potentially very dangerous health risk in the long term and is a life inhibiting condition in the short term. And the truth is that the ONLY person who can genuinely help an obese person is him/herself. Sure you can be nice to fat people, but don't let them become delusional due to false, kind words. The only people who will tell you that you ought to do something about your weight are people who care about you. Be wary of responses like "oh but you are not THAT fat", "so what if you are fat", "fat is beautiful" and so forth. It is so like Americans to put a psychological spin on everything to explain away situations. Let's get real. Obesity and Anorexia as we know them didn't exist 100 years ago, at least no where on this scale. It is a sign of our times. Obesity exists because multi billion dollar corporations are getting us to eat things which were not even fit for human consumption before WWII. The food industry, the weight "management" industry, the health care industry, the phrama industry - everyone wants you to be fat. It is in their best interest that you are for obvious reasons. To add to all this, don't be deluded by simplistic statements like "men like real, curvy women". We ALL know that curvy and obese are two very different things. It is unfortunately not subjective beyond a point. Like someone else has said, a BMI of 30+ is OBESE. Not curvy, no matter how well proportioned you are. The human body is designed to carry a certain amount of weight and given some margin, anything more cannot be good no matter how great you might look despite your weight. I am an Indian and I have become obese in the last 3 years or so. I have no one to blame but myself and I do realize that is is largely because of the wrong lifestyle choices I have made in the past. And I am now in the process of making changes that I hope will show positive results in the long term. And i'd like to add that i am married to a man who loves me to distraction but is doing everything he can to make sure I reach an safe weight range. No, he isn't mean to me; but no, he isn't helping me live in a bubble either. Fortunately, obesity is still in its nascent stages in India, but it is alarming to see how entire industries are mushrooming all around me, telling me how much I ought to weight and how I should get there - eating, using, buying, signing up for their products. Hopefully, I will find a way to manage my weight without the help of these corporations. To sum up, I'd say this: there is nothing glorious about being clinically obese irrespective of all the male attention in all the world. Lets not confuse the issue of Beauty and Obesity. They have nothing to do with each other. One is an abstract ideal while the other is a hard, cold medical fact. Similarly, fat and thin can be subjective and are largely dictated by the fashion industry. Bu as grown ups, we ought to stop being obsessed with dress sizes and measure ourselves with health as the parameter. I hope we all find it in us to truly understand and appreciate the world healthy.
  • anonymous said on Jun 10, 2009....
    Sean is just a little douche off who secretly likes big girls and thinks using the word "anon" is "like, so cool!"
  • Douche_slayer said on Jun 10, 2009....
    The above is my comment. I submitted it under anonymous to piss sean douche bag off. Just wanted to let you know, sean, how pathetic it is that you have nothing better to do than sit at your computer for nearly three years and offend people. Now who is lazy?! You are! Dumb bitch.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 10, 2009....
    I'm lazy for being diligent?  Do you know what lazy means?  Also it shouldn't be offending people.
  • JillHannah said on Jun 17, 2009....
    Wow, Sean. I was married to a guy who sounded a lot like you do. I heard constant nagging and negative comments for years. He was quite good at telling me how disgusted he was with my appearance; the more he carped, the bigger I became. Too bad he was the one with all of the chronic health problems ( I have never had any problems with high blood pressure, high cholesterol or triglycerides, or joint problems). I finally had the bright idea that I didn't need to take it any more! Once I dumped his skinny arse, my weight started melting off of me! I didn't change my diet or my level of exercise--I didn't need to since I was already eating well and active. My weight had served me well as a literal defense against the cad. I understand, now, that if he had been truly caring and "loving" in his approach, I may not have reached an all time high of 250 lbs; I probably would have really listened to what he had to say if I hadn't felt that I was under constant attack. I certainly would have had more respect for him. From a public health stand point, I couldn't agree with you more that obesity is not good for society (on many levels). However, real and sustained change of behaviour is rarely achieved by the practice of intimidation and shame. --Jill Hannah
  • abnormal said on Jun 17, 2009....
    wow that kid .. and yes i say kid because no real man would even think the way he does (Sean) is someone who needs help seriously! from the looks of it your reasons as to why people are fat are because they eat too much or their lazy! well i have to say you might be right for some ,but don't get cocky yes there are some people who did get fat because they choose to eat cheeseburger over salad ... ha ...or choose to watch tv all day when really they could workout..but ur opinion isn't gonna fly for why all people are bigger. You think your real smart well then why don't you act it and google the effects genetics can have on you or the effects depression and many other things. so im guessing you don't think to much of yourself thats why u had to join marines to become manly or something. im also guessing that your not so attractive either thats why your bringing people down to make your self feel better! so if what you say is true then whats your excuse for you being ugly and a lonely man who hasn't ever felt love just one night stands if you even get that. Seriously people come on here to have their problems be heard and to be given advice thats good.( Everyone needs someone st one point in there life to make them feel good) And there is nothing wrong with that at all! And for all that crap you say about heart problems ect. dude you could die from fucking choking on salad ..so whats the excuse for that! We all have problems that can or cant be fixed ...so get over it sean boy! ps bigger girls and guys ... skinny is old fat is the new thing ...and i love it =]
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 17, 2009....

    Genetics have their place but you can overcome genetics.  Unless you're just going to tell me that gentics is a result of opening a McDonalds you don't have a leg to stand on.

    Shaming people only works on people with actual self-esteem and value obviously.  And yes there are other options. than purely shaming people.  The fact remains that if you truly value someone you would not allow them to bet/get obese.  Half the problem si that you fatties are so fucking sensitive.  You know you're putting on pounds if someone asks you to for for a walk with them don't ask why, just fucking do it!  You find reasons ot be offended.  This blog is an endless list of people digging up a blog two years old because they need a reason to be upset.

    If you want to call me a kid fine.  I'm actually flattered.  I've found that the biggest problem with children is that they haven't become infected with the damned cynicism that is getting to me.  They veiw the world as it should be, as it could be and strive to get to that place.  They haven't yet accepted that the world sucks and people are going to do stupid shit.  So thank you.  I am proud to be a child.  I am proud that I still believe that if people were to really try we could improve this world and stamp out obesity (and underweight but hell its so rare (in the States) that we don't even have a readily available word for it.  Thank you.  I know you meant it as an insult. 

    I hope one day every "real" man and woman dedicates their lives to improving the world.  Thank you.

  • Jessy25 said on Jun 18, 2009....
    Sean, I truly value your ideas, but I think it would be better if you offered helpful tips. Since you're a marine, maybe you can advice people on what are the types of exercises that are most appropriate for people that are trying to lose weight. Also you mentioned that you don't drink Coke, so maybe you could offer advice on healthy eating habits. I belive that most people think that by cooking what they do, they are actually dieting or eating less junk, but sometimes it is quite the opposite. People tend to cook high-fat foods and it ends up being worst than eating al McDonalds. Another thing is that people eat salads when they are tryin to lose weight, but they forget that dressings have a lot of calories and fat content. Also they add cheese or bacon to their salads which is not convenient. I truly belive that America has a problem with obesity, and that even our children are affected. But you have to show more empathy and that means that you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other person if you're trying to help them.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 20, 2009....

    The information on how to lose weight is out there.  I would be remiss in offering a specific diet because the truth about diets is all of them work and none of them work.  There is a right one for each person but what works for me won't work for you.  If I had to recommend the first five things that I've never seen fail and seem to work for almost everybody are the following.

    1.  Drink lots of water.  You should be doing this anyway for a variety of reasons but water also helps fill you up, aids with digestion as well.  Basic rule of thumb your urine should be clear or light yellow. 

    2.  Cut back on soda.  Depending on what soda you drink there are between 90 and 270 (if I recall properly but I'm sure one of you has cans of coke in the house and can check the label) callories.  3500 calories is one pound of fat.  Just keep that in mind, and also keep in mind that the calories are measured by serving sizes.  A medium or even large soda at a fast food place is several times that, particularly if you go for refill(s)

    3.  Eat breakfast.  Even if you're in a rush eat breakfast, something to start your day off.  I've heard conflicting data on if it truly starts your metabolism up.

    4.  Do not exercise.  Become active.  If you were the kind of person who excercise worked for you'd already be doing it.  Going that route is going to upset you and you're not going to stick with it.  Becoming active can involve exercise but that shouldn't be the primary thing, it should be walking more, playing games, wrestling, sex.  I find that setting your phone at the far end of the room helps.  Go to the mall (the bigger the better) and window shop (or really shop if you can afford it)  Just watch out for the Soda and other crap.  Don't be a parking vulture (ie take the first parking spot you see, especially if it's farther from your stop.  Don't circle for five minutes waiting for someone else to leave. 

    If you want to make big changes and run your ass off fine.  But I don't find that to be productive for most people.

    5.  Weigh yourself often and remember this is supposed to be a long term process.  I'm not describing the Marine Method which only works because there are people yelling at you who can cut your pay and yadda yadda yadda.  Don't look for the miracle television diet of I lost 70 pounds in eight months.  You will regain most of that weight because once it's off you'll go back to your old ways, to food that doesn't suck and not killing yoruself at the gym.  The best method is to find the little things you can change without impacting your current way of life.

    I could go on and on about other things.  Like going for a walk around the block.  Nobody has the time though.  Which is utter bullshit.  The truth is nobody wants to, so why ask it of them.  The biggest thing to look around and admit that we have a problem.  It's not okay and we should be taking steps to fix it.  In ourselves in those we love and in our society at large.  I know that for whatever reason there is this idea that if you love someone you should accept them as they are.  Whatever else that might be it's not love.  True love would never settle for less than the best for the loved one.  You merely have to find what the most effective method of communicating with them is.

     

  • TasteChanges said on Jun 23, 2009....
    I've been wondering why my taste has changed over the last year or so, I used to only like skinny woman, but I think my whole attitude has changed. I love a woman with some meat on her bones, I like tits and ass, I think its got a better feeling when having sex. Even if I watch porn I cant watch skinny woman they just don't do it for me. I don't know if its just age or not. I'm only 31 years old now but I find myself to be the complete opposite of what I used to be in my 20's.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 23, 2009....

    I'd talk porn with you but there is no point.  Define meat on her bones.  It's an important distinction, for whatever reason (anorexic Olsen Twins and Paris Hilton aside) I don't know where people get the impression that Hollywood is filled with stick women.  I'm just gonna throw out a few women of "varying" sizes so you can let me know what we are talking about, I'm using well known stars so if you don't know google.

    Britney Spears (current), Raven Simone, and Beyonce.

  • anonymous said on Jun 24, 2009....
    "Define meat on her bones" I am 5'5" and 140lbs am I fat? chucky? chuby? Should I be 135 or 130 or 125 or 120 or...? Also I don't think I can be honest with myself about how much muscle I have, does anyone know how I can determine my body fat percentage?
  • magsteronie said on Jun 25, 2009....
    I'm just going to throw this out there... that there certainly is more than one reason why people gain weight and can't lose it. True, at the root of it weight gain results from consuming more calories than you are expending. How does one lose weight? Expend more calories than one consumes. Metabolism on one hand, eating on the other. What most people think: fat people eat too much and are lazy and don't exercise. But everyone is different. Not everyone has the same metabolism and appetite. We don't all have the exact same nutritional needs, either. Truth: weight gain can be caused - among other things - by genetics, thyroid problems, and certain medications. Right now I am a bigger girl, but wasn't always that way. I went from 125 - 180lbs in just a few months after starting Lithium to manage my bipolar disorder. I tried other meds with different side-effects. Lithium is good for my mind, but not my body. I have been getting very serious about exercizing and dieting of late, and have seen little results. I have always been an athlete. When you see such little change after working so hard, it's tempting to give up. Men that have met me since my weight gain don't seem to even look twice at me. It's sad, but at the same time I want them to like me for my personality. I am going to continue eating well and exercizing for health reasons. I realize I may not lose weight until I change meds. Another point: if you are bigger but stay active and eat well, you can stay healthy. Some thin people are more unhealthy than bigger people.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jun 25, 2009....

    There are plenty of online BMI's which is a good place to start.  A picture helps.  I suck at visualising but I doubt you are are fat.  You're not overly short for a woman.  Without a picture we are just wasting time guessing though.

  • anonymous said on Jul 03, 2009....
    I just want to say that I am a rather large girl. At 5'8" and almost 300 pounds, I know I'm morbidly obese. I was lucky enough to be born with an hourglass gene, so I carry my weight extremely well, but this doesn't change the way people look at me. I agree with Sean in the fact that obesity for most people, is probably from overeating and lack of activity. I have tried to lose weight my entire life and have never been successful. I've maintained the weight I'm at now for four years, despite all the efforts I've made to lose it. I do have health issues, but none that are associated with being overweight, such as diabetes and heart problems. I have a problem with my thyroid, but I'm not sure how to classify it. My test numbers go in opposite directions, so I cannot be classified as hyper- or hypo- thyroid. This leaves me wondering what is actually wrong with my thyroid. I will say that I have tried everything from the Atkin's diet to working out in the gym five days a week and strength training three days a week while maintaining a 40 hour work week in a restaurant (that's some of the toughest work out there in comparison to wages). Surprisingly, I'll lose a few inches but no pounds. After those few inches, everything stops. It's not until months into working out and increasing reps, etc., that I'll decide to take a weekend off. It is during this weekend that I'll lose five to ten pounds. And of course, I'll get excited because I can have a head start when I start exercising again, right? Wrong. As soon as I go back to exercising, I gain all of it back plus a few. I know most people will say that I must be eating too many calories and not burning them all. I have to argue for the simple fact that I counted them meticulously every day, and I realized rather quickly that I'm not hungry for more than around 1500 calories a day. Not only this, but I don't drink sodas, I drink mainly water, and maybe twice a week a glass of iced tea (not with tons of sugar, mind you). My goal is not to attack Sean, because he didn't create obesity, nor did he contribute to the health problems obesity does cause. I just want it to be known that there are some people out here who genuinely try to lose weight and cannot make it happen. And it is my hope that people like Sean, and especially those who are supposed to "love" us, would accept us for the way we were. If they didn't, what would be the point in living? If you can't lose weight, you may as well kill yourself, right? I think everyone needs to have an open mind when they see larger people, and rather than yelling obscenities or doing what they think will help them be better, they should give them a chance to explain why they are larger. Some people really have tried and cannot make a dent in their weight. I am one of these people, but that doesn't change the fact that I walk, canoe, do yoga, and enjoy being outdoors and active with my friends. It's harder to do active things because I'm overweight, but I do them because I enjoy them. I may not love my weight, but I love who I am inside. I am active and make every effort to be healthy, so why should I dislike myself because of something I can't change? By the way, I am commenting anonymously because I do not have an account and I came across this in a random search and would rather not create an account that I will most likely never use again. My name is Rebecca Madden and I have a MySpace, Facebook, 43Things, and a blog on WordPress. If anyone wishes to look me up, feel free to.
  • anonymous said on Jul 03, 2009....
    And... I really want to apologize for the mess of words I just posted. I wish there was a way to edit it, because I definitely would. So sorry!!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 04, 2009....
    Short answer.  You shouldn't.  Your not inactive, you are making an effort and nothing more can be asked of anybody.  Muscle weighs more than fat so depending on what kind of work out you're doing you shouldn't expect to lose weight.  If you lost inches and maintained or gained weight thats what happened and muscle has a habit of wanting to turn into fat.  Still short answer is your doing everything right.
  • anonymous said on Jul 05, 2009....
    Thanks. I wish other people could see it that way, though...
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 05, 2009....

    You can't please everyone.  More importantly you can't expect it from people who don't know you.  Even you admit that the majority of people who are overweight are that way because of choices they made.  It is unfortunate that people like you with thyroid and other glandular problems get caught up in the disdain that the others have generated.

    The problem is they all try to hide behind you.  Half of them don't even try to tell the lie of I work out etc etc.  They fall back to this idea that if you loved my personality then.  Well being overweight is part of your personality.  It is a choice you make.  Most of them aren't, I hesitate to use the word sick but most of them could fix it if they so choose. 

    As I said before assuming you can be taken at your word and I have no reason or choice but to take you at your word you've done everything right and there is nothing more anybody can ask of you.

  • anonymous said on Jul 05, 2009....
    That's true, but it's sad that people are so judgmental. My mother was never overweight when she was my age, yet she had no self esteem about her body because she was made to feel fat by her classmates.

    She has just been diagnosed with hypothyroid, so this is what made me get tested. A lot of the health problems I have came from my mother's side, so I had to know. It's difficult and depressing, but I'll never stop trying, nor will I ever stop having fun. This was a great topic to discuss. I think it got a little heated, but it's mellowing out now.

  • osodelicious said on Jul 05, 2009....

    Your comment:
    I just want to add something for the people who like to judge immediatly, or say rude things, or stare for a really really long time, You don't know anything about the person you are pointing your finger at. You know nothing.

     

    I will use me as the example here, I am a morbildy obese(by your standards) woman. I am 5'8 300lbs( I would like to add I carry my weight extremly well, and could probably run faster than you any day ;) . Married and have two kids, my husband loves me and only wants what makes me happy. If I could be happy at this weight so would he, get it? Now I have been active and eating right and am now at 290, yeah I just started about two weeks ago, but anyway, So I am doing everything I am suppose to be doing, yet people still want to say things and make me feel uncomfotable. why? Does that help me..NO it makes me mad, Now here comes the choice...Do I run and eat the pain they caused me away or do I say fuck it and walk a little faster and skip the dessert.

     

    So yes it is always your choice, yes people will and do love you and yes there are assholes in the world. The choice is always your own, whether it is to lose weight, be nice, love unconditionally, hate, be ignorant, and so on. It's your choice to stay stuck in your beliefs. Instead why not expand your minds with a little more love and acceptance, a little bit of loveing advice spoken in a genuine caring manner would help someone more than a rude brash blunt(even if it's true) comment. See the difference. So next time you see a big person give them the benifit of the doubt and don't think so negativly of them.

     

     PEACE

  • anonymous said on Jul 06, 2009....
    Agreed. =) You sound so much like me!
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 06, 2009....

    The thing is giving people the benefit of the doubt is WHY we're in this problem as deep as we are.  That's why 60% of our population is overweight (to include myself on average six months a year) and 30% are morbidly obese.  So apparently 60% of America are exceptions to the rule.  We live in some kind of bizzaro world where poor people are fat and rich people are slender.  And we can watch with foreign countries that the percentage of people who are "exceptions" to the rule seems to follow the ease of access to McDonalds.

    If you are the person who is doing it right I'm sorry, grow some thicker skin.  IT sucks to be caught in the crossfire and it's unfortunate.  However the fact that YOU and a very limited number of other people have medical reasons for being unable to lose weight CANNOT be a reason to allow the population to think it's ok. 

  • babygurl21690 said on Jul 07, 2009....
    I'm a 19 year old Indian girl, 5' tall & weighing 128 pounds. I'm overweight & I have now started trying to lose weight. Being overweight at 19 may sound okay but I know that I might have serious health problems when I'm older. Diabetes & Arthritis are just few of innumerable diseases that affect overweight people.

    So yes I think Sean is right. Over weight people should def'lly try to lose weight. Saying that the tendency to gain weight is in one's genes is just an excuse. With exercise & a healthy lifestyle, anyone can lose weight. Yes, it is difficult in the beginning & slowly you get used to exercise & healthy food.

    However losing weight just to get a boyfriend is not worth it. Overweight girls should lose weight for themselves, not for their guys. I know several guys who are attracted to bigger women but that doesnt the ladies should be happy to be big.

  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 07, 2009....
    While that should have been a forgone conclusioni yes women (and men) should lose weight for their own sakes not to get laid.  The only reason I have focused on sexual relations is that was the topic of this blog and I don't think that people should be attracted to people who are overweight (particularly who are not making efforts to change that) because it does show part of your personality.  Just like having a dirty car shows how much you care and is another way of measuring your personality
  • anonymous said on Jul 13, 2009....
    ok. I keep hearing that men are looking for the size 2's. I am a size 2. i am 5'6 108 pounds, with 34DD's. i will be honest with you. I get oggled ALL of the time!!! I HATE IT!!! I am naturally small boned, so I am naturally small. I have been married for over 18 years, and am 38 years old. I have men of every age, oggling me up and down everytime I go in public. teenagers to old men.....i can honestly say, in my observations, guys do like small, well endowed women. we have porn and the media to thank for this. I am sick of being stared at like some kind of meat ,or oggled like a porn star!!!!! i am intelligent, career oriented and a mother of 3! I deserve respect .Ladies, Don't always suspect that it is a blessing to be small. I wish i were bigger. Who cares what men think!!!! It isnt all glamorous having guys stare, oggle and think bad things about you. Its actually a bit degrading!!! Im sick of looks being such a big deal!!!
  • anonymous said on Jul 13, 2009....
    You can say that easily, though, since you are happily married. It's a little harder when a larger woman is in search for a man that doesn't give a damn about anything but personality. Seriously, how do you know that if you were bigger back then that your husband would have even noticed you?
  • anonymous said on Jul 13, 2009....
    To the size 2 with DDs. They look at you like that because they think you made yourself that way. They think that you naturally were thin or dieted extensively and then shoved silicone into your breasts. They think you want to look like a porn star. If they are wrong, if you really don't like how you look you can change it. You can loose more weight to loose your breasts, or gain weight until they don't find you attractive. PS you don't want to be a size 8 with B cups.
  • anonymous said on Jul 13, 2009....
    My dress size - my pant size = 6. I don't understand why. Aren't they supposed to be the same?
  • anonymous said on Jul 15, 2009....
    I can't say for certain whether men prefer skinny or heavier women but being a heavier woman, I can say I've never had issues. My best friend growing up was a size 5...still is as far as I know. The fact is that when we were side by side, some guys picked her, some picked me. I'm not sure that it had a thing to do with weight either. She's a blonde...I'm a brunette. She's 5'7" and I'm 6'2". (Yes, I'm really that tall) As far as my weight issues are concerned, I suffered a knee injury at 13 and have never entirely recovered from it. In spite of the injury, I continued to be active as long as humanly possible. Now at 35, the doctors have removed 1/4" of my bone in my lower leg. I can never run again..never ride horses...never do alot of things, but I still walk, hike, swim, and do what I can to be active. (With a broken leg! People like Shaun can kiss my ass! Let's see YOU do it asshole!) So...do men like heavy women? From personal experience I'd say so. They must because even though I'm heavy and I have a permanently broken leg and I'm happily married, men still chase me! I don't know if it's because I'm heavy or not honestly and really I don't care one way or the other, I just think it's crap of people to go around blasting fat this and lazy that because I have friends who are skinny who can't keep up with me and my broken leg just walking around the block! Men like women...unless they happen to like men lol and then you've got a whole new topic... http://www.dwdtek.com/newmepic.jpg <---me
  • DreamWeaver said on Jul 15, 2009....
    Sorry..misspelled Sean's name....think I got it this time :)
  • anonymous said on Jul 15, 2009....
    I was very lucky to meet my husband in high school..............we were best friends first......he knew me before I was fully developed and i bleieve he would have married me anyway.....reguardless of stature. ( at least, I think.) I do know that looks are important to men,and women......however, as a married woman of 18 years, I have to throw out there that marriage is and connot be judged on looks alone. On fact, looks play a very miniscule role in a marriage. It is about love, commitment, time, attention, affection, friendship.....and so on! And when the kids come, its about agreeing on parenting styles and a whole bunch of other catagories. You could be married to a gorgeous, but messy, lazy, conceited moron. ( im not saying all pretty people are this way.....but to prove my point that looks arent the most important thing here.) OR you could be married to a larger person with a great personality, who is a great mother and a great friend, etc. in the end......wo would you rather spend your life with??????????? I know you are thinking " yeah, its easy for you, you are a size two." Ive been with the same man for 18 years.....with 4 years of dating before hand. he is no super model. but I find him irresistable!!! He is the man I fell in love with.......he is the man who i love with all of my heart. i can tbe flirted with ( and have been) by guys who are handsome, rich, etc.....and I would NEVER leave my husband for any of them. So keep this in ind when you are dating or looking for prospective boyfriends/girlfriends. Beauty truly is skin deep.
  • anonymous said on Jul 15, 2009....
    To the girl who posted a pic.. Damn, you're gorgeous!! You have no reason at all to consider yourself overweight. I would kill to look like you. =)
  • botticelligal said on Jul 19, 2009....
    I hope sean renard dies in Iraq or Afghanistan. He needs to go to hell where he belongs. I'm glad he works a job where thats likely to happen. it comforts us
  • anonymous said on Jul 22, 2009....
    I'm an 18 yr. old woman never even had a date b4 im 5"3 n 230 ib.s. My frinds say i carry my weight good. But they r my friends so it could b lies. I have been told many times that my personality rocks by alot of my guy friends. It just hurts being friends with guys n getting close to them watching them pick up girls who are skinny. But i'm a big girl n i'm proud of of been big since a baby haha. All guys out there who don't like fat girls, u don't know what ur missing. Atleast take the time out to get to know one then decide. What really matters is a persons personailty and point of view. Everyone's different n that's what make's us all individuals. God created us to b different. What if every girl and every guy looked the same our world would really be messed up. As long as u r happy with yourself and you think u look good thats all that matters cause the confidence will shine! For me i'm still waiting.
  • SeanRenaud said on Jul 22, 2009....
    That's the thing, you shouldn't be happy with being that much overweight.  Maybe it's genetic, it does happen and you can't help that.  Otherwise what I'm missing out on is a woman who doesn't respect herself enough to improve herself.  So I can tell enough about your personality at a glance to move onto people who are going to have healthier world views.  These things work together you know.
  • anonymous said on Aug 15, 2009....
    There is a range of healthy weight and a range of healthy exercise. No matter how skinny one is, or how big, everyone should get in aerobic and some weightlifting exercise about three times a week. This time is to keep you physically strong and heart healthy. Super-morbid obesity comes with a list of medical problems and physical discomforts as well as early death. Most nutritionists agree that fast food should not be eaten more than once or twice A MONTH. Fresh fruits, veggies, salads and lean proteins along with carbs are the staples. If you don't indulge in regular fatty fast foods and eat balanced diets and exercise, you can indulge in some desserts and walk a little farther or lift or swim a little longer to counterbalance. But no matter how proud you are, at 5'2", no man or woman should weigh 230 lbs. For a woman, that is nearly 100 lbs overweight. But what doctor told the 5'4" woman that at 160 she was morbidly obese? There is a load of misinformation floating about. If your knees hurt and you're young (or older), you can't get up from the sofa, cannot see your feet when you're naked, everything giggles when you walk that shouldn't jiggle, reevaluate your exercise and food intake. Yes there are men who love 300 lb women, but unless a woman (or man) is over 7 feet tall, she shouldn't weigh 300 lbs. Some folks will be on the high end of the weight scale, chubby, some thin. If you are eating healthily and exercising or have a medical/genetic prob, you may have to live with this. But being aroused by the sight of morbidly obese people who can barely move physically is a fetish. And those interested in such are objectifying these unfortunate folks. It's just as unhealthy as objectifying anorexics or bizarrely overmuscled weightlifters. The goal is to embrace healthy eating and living and therefore healthy bodies. Moderation in all things. Dream about your fetishes, unless they harm no one.
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 16, 2009....
    Considering what you said is completely one hundred percent correct why don't you have the bravery to show your name?  Until more people are willing to say these things in the open the opposition is going to continue to win and we are all going to continue to lose.  Man up Anon.  Man up.
  • anonymous said on Aug 18, 2009....
    I am an extremely large woman, and to Sean, i will admit to you, yes i am fucking lazy, and no i dont eat the healthiest in the world, but you must be really unhappy with yourself because no one in their right, happy, joyful mind would be so cruel just to judge a fat woman because she is fat, now, i am nottrying to be cocky but i believe i have an amzing personality, and i have alot of great morals, i am big and i am not desperate for a man or for sex, i dont do drugs, and i dont have any kind of alcohol problems, 4 years ago, i was told i was borderline diabetic, and now 100 pounds later, im not even remotely close to having any type of diabetes or heart disease or anything, i have a healthy body, without eating super healthy all the time and without going to the gym... i have depression and even i am 99% happier with my 350lbs humongeous body then you will ever be with whatever size body you have. Judging by all your comments, and for how long you've been commenting on this, you are most likely obese yourself because from what i see, you've just been sitting on YOUR LAZY ass for the last 3 years..since 2006 and writing on this blog. So grow up. Get a life. Lose Some Weight..when you lose your weight, ill lose mine. Thank You. Goodnight. Have a great journey losing weight!..Lemme know if your fat ass ever comes off. and yes, by calling you a fat ass i am just insulting myself, but at least im proud enough to say it. Aurevoire.
  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 25, 2009....

    Oh my gawd! Sean...you are one of those guys that people want to hurt! You sound like an arrogant prick and you should really shut the hell up and go live ya damn life! You must have gotten your ass whooped by a 'fattie'. Or some big kid must have taken your lunch money when you were a freshman cuz you were too much of a p***y to fight back! I would like to write a new War and Peace insulting you, but I'm not going to waste my time.

    Alright! Now onto me! So, I'm 5'7'', C38-40, 220 lbs., I have an hourglass type figure, just a lil extra meat. I actually have most of my weight in my thighs...Anywho! People like Sean have led me to wearing baggy clothing and being scared to wear anything else. And even in baggy jeans and a baggy hoodie, I still get people staring. People have said that I am very pretty and that I should show off my body more, but I think I look bad...And my friend looks amazing but thinks that she doesn't because, according to her, she's a stick. A straight line. And that upsets her to no end. And she says she wishes she had my shape.

    And as to how I like my women...I just want a heart of gold (and big women are smexi!)! And men, a heart of gold with some good 'protecting' arms! Yes, people, I am a bi-smexual. Got a problem? (Here's a shocker for ya, I don't worship the devil!! Sorry, bad experiences with homophobes...)

    Ok, back onto topic...well kinda on but off, Sean!! Man, I really don't like you! And neither do a lot of these people...And FYI! I am not lazy and I'm not gonna die, douchebag! Usually when people get to the point of 'OMFG! I'm gonna die!!' they start to loose weight! Alright, I'm gonna ask you some questions.

    1- Does it make you feel better knowing that some women went and cried because of your douchebagness?

    2- Were you one of the fat MARINE's?

    And 3- Are you ever gonna shut up? I mean come on! 3 years...that's more than a little sad...

    *If another thing shows up, wasn't signed on...*

  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 25, 2009....

    No I'm never going to let this go.  Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.  No I wasn't a fat Marine.  I never had any trouble making weight and was one of the very few who would get weighed in my boots without fear of going over.

    Yeah I'm aware that there are lots of people who don't like me.  Its really sad that people come here to defend being overweight and unhealthy.  It's pathetic and just one of the many problems we face here in America. 

    If you have an hourglass figure you're not fat and shouldn't be trying to call yourself fat.  You may be overweight which is a problem in and of itself but you aren't fat. 

  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 25, 2009....

    I hate to say this, but after reading this a few times (I'm bored as hell), I've gotta agree with you, at least on some points.

    And their not really defending being overweight. Their not saying it's ok that they (we) are, just that they have realised that and they do not need you telling them what they already know. And you do come off as an ass. So that just makes them hate you more =)

    But another thing I realised after reading this, is that a lot of people didn't post anything else when you called them out on some shit...'Specially the 14 yr. old having sex....

  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 25, 2009....

    LoL.  Someone has to be an ass about this.  Because it has gotten to a point where it is okay.  Where instead of trying to encourage our loved ones to lose weight we accept them as they are.  We know that all of the leading causes of death in his country are either caused by or worsened by being overweight.  We are starting to see diabetes in children and we're still preaching that it's ok.  We have to fight that mentality.

    I can't believe you read this entire thing.  It's too bad you hate me.  I rather like you, you've got the balls to use your real name.  I can't believe you read through every comment on here.  Damn, how bored are you?

  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 25, 2009....

    People do try to get others to loose weight! When it comes to the point of someone hurting themselves, other people step in or step up and give them a wake-up call. You make it sound as though people encourage obesity!

    I don't hate you. I think I was reading pissed off females' posts more than yours. Sorry...And I am very bored! Very very very bored!

  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 26, 2009....

    In my experience people do not try to lose weight.  They talk about trying to lose weight.  Unless you are buying into the idea that 60% of America has a glandular problem most people aren't trying because losing weight isn't THAT hard.  Find a diet/exercise schedule and stick to it.  Subjects like this DO encourage obesity.  There are things that are tolerated, but once you get into do men find this sexy, it's not just being tolerated it's being encouraged.  If you read every post on here how many fat people came on here and screamed about how their husbands love them fat and they are happy fat and have no intention of changing.  They they try the whole I'm not sick.

    Lets replace the word fat with smokes or alcoholic and then ask the same question.  Then remember that Heart Disease alone kills more people than smoking or liquor.  Granted you can at least make the argument that drinking can kill other innocent people but still.  This is a problem and we as a society need to stop PCing about. 

  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 26, 2009....
    I'm not. And losing weight isn't like something where you can do it in a few days. It takes months and sometimes years. Like it's easy for the first few pounds and then it gets hard and most people give up. Either they just don't want to admit that their husbands say that they need to loose weight. Or their husbands just love them and accept the fact that their big. Not love it, just them. And when it get's to the point of health problems, it is bad. But most of these women, as I have said before, do not want YOU telling them. They came on here to put up their opinion on whether men like big or skinny women, and they feel like you are attacking them.
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 26, 2009....
    No, they came here to defend their lifestyle.  More importantly SOMEONE has to say it and obviously it isn't coming from their loved ones where it should be coming from.  Seriously, at this point this blog is simply an attack on me, that's why people come to post on what should have been a dead blog years ago.  Some of them are directly just to aggrivate me and the majority post anonomously because I have a habit of dogging people until they leave SC if they piss me off too much
  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 26, 2009....
    I'm not going to argue over this. You have your opinion. They have theirs. If they are big, it doesn't effect you. And you HAVE said it! Plenty of fucking times! And it's fun to attack you! Your the loveable douchebag!!
  • fadetogrey said on Aug 27, 2009....
    Ok I have read what everyone had to say. Although I am a larger girl (size 14), I can't disagree with Sean. We need to take better care of our bodies and lead healthy lifestyles, which includes eating right and exercising among other things. However, I don't agree 100% with the assumption of "ALL fat people are lazy" or "ALL fat people are unhealthy". All of my friends are a lot thinner than me (sizes 0-4), which is cool because I love them and they love me. But after seeing some of their eating, drinking, and exercising habits, I am the healthiest one in the bunch. One of my friends is a bartender, and every night after she gets out she goes drinking and stops by Denny's before going home. That's not a very healthy lifestyle. Another friend of mine eats like she's never seen food before, it's amazing that all that food fits in her tiny body lol. Oh they don't work out either. Only one of my friends works out regularly, and before she started working out regularly she ate like a pig and drank like a fish (yet she was still a size 4). Once she became healthier, she went down to a size 2. But she was still thin while making extremely unhealthy decisions. My cousin is tiny, petite and thin, and that girl eats soooooo much! LOL I can't eat like they can, I really don't know where all that food goes lol. And it's not even a lot of healthy food, it's a lot of junk fried foods (oh and dont forget the long island iced teas to wash it down). I have already stated I am a size 14, hourglass shape, and a beautiful face. I have no problem getting dates at all! And I have admirers all over the city. Now, would I like to be thinner and be a size 2 or 4? Of course! But I am starting to think it will never happen. I drink only 2 drinks weekly (alcohol has a lot of sugar), I eat sensibly (no fast food! very limited fried foods, whole grains, lots of vegetables, lean proteins, fruits), I excercise Monday through Friday (I do spinning 2 times a week, kickboxing 3 times a week, and after spinning I do some weight training). I have been on countless prescription drugs, over the counter weight loss aids, tried all different types of diets, literally everything except surgery which I don't qualify for anyway. And I haven't lost 1 ounce. My muscles are tight, I am strong, I can leg press almost 250lbs, but I am still a size 14 (oh and I am not tall btw i am 5'4). My trainers, my doctor, my family and my friends are dumbfounded because it's practically impossible. There is nothing wrong with my thyroids, I am not diabetic, I have nothing that can substantiate why I can't lose weight. My post is mainly directed towards Sean: you are right. I do not disagree with you. And you are also right that the majority of overweight people do not have a medical problem; however, I just think it is unfair to be labeled as "lazy" and "unhealthy" when it's not the case 100% of the time. Clearly, thin people can be unhealthy too, so it goes both ways. Not all thin people work out like maniacs and are health nuts. So just be a little bit more open minded, it really isn't so black and white. BTW I respect Marines, it's a very prestigious branch. My uncle is a Marine and we see him almost like a superhero lol.
  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 29, 2009....
    fadetogrey: I think Sean just about had an orgasm when he read this. 1: You work out. Not lazy. 2: You agree with him. 3: You respect Marines. (People that don't are stupid) 4: You used your name! My last comment to this whole debate! I think that guys like curvy girls better. Baby makin' hips (ha!), nice firm breasts, and a lil meat. Not morbidly obese (I may have spelled that wrong). Girls that won't break. Not those creepy twiggy people like Paris Hilton (her feet are HUGE!!). And not people like Rosanne. A lot of guys (at least at my school) actually prefer a slightly chubby girl with curves to a skinny girl with no curves at all. P.s.- Why do people be hatin' on the 'baby makin' hips'??
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 29, 2009....

    Who the hell hates on baby makin hips?

    I did just about have an orgasm, thank you for telling her.

    And yes it does effect me.  Not only does if effect me directly (Both Grandfathers died to diabetes and my father and older brother both have it as well.  To say nothing of the QUADRUPLE bypass surgery that one of my uncles had in his forties)  That's only on a personal level.  I rather enjoyed Supersizing shit, I like foods with trans fats.  Just because the majority of Americans are too lazy to fix themselves is no reason to punish me.

    Also there are lots of skinny people with health problems.  However there are terribly few that have problems that are directly related to them being skinny.  When anorexics and bolemics make up 60% of the population I'll dedicate more than a side note to fixing them.  Plenty of thin people are simply lucky or ended up in active jobs and wouldn't be in shape if not for the nature of their employment.  We could go on an and on.

  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 29, 2009....
    A lot of people hate them! So I get shit for having wide hips! Not fair! Thank you for telling us, Sean...creeper. I'm sorry. And the people on here don't get the 'I'm trying to help you live a happier life' point your probably trying to make. You seem like a bully and that is probably the only reason you get shit. All of the other people that agreed with you weren't saying that obese people were nasty or saying shit to people that liked big girls. They were saying that they just needed to loose weight...Maybe cuz your a guy it comes off wrong? I don't know. Haha, thought my last comment was going to be my final one, but this is too much fun! And yes, we could go on and on and on....and on.
  • fadetogrey said on Aug 29, 2009....
    Well what I was referring to about thin people being "unhealthy" is that some (not all) don't make the healthiest food/drink/exercise choices. I didn't mean that thin people suffer from diseases that are directly related to thinness; also, when I say "thin" I don't mean anorexic or bulimic, I am referring to people who are at a "normal" bmi. My main point was just to clarify that Americans need to lead healthier lifestyles, regardless of your weight. We need to eat better and go outside and get some exercise. We owe it to ourselves, our families and our friends to take care of our bodies. thepoetthatthinks: I get shit for having wide hips too and I am really sick of people automatically passing judgment on me. I am not huge by any means but people within my circles are always curious to know why I haven't lost weight considering all my friends are tiny. I'm like WTF! I am who I am, take it or leave it. If you don't like me because I have wide hips, tits and an ass go fuck yourself; I don't need people like that in my life. It's hard enough to work my butt off and still be "overweight" than to be dealing with stupid people.
  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 30, 2009....

    fadetogrey: Lol I love you!! Ha! Yeah, it sucks that cuz we have those things we look bigger than other people. I thought people LIKED curves!! And yes, Americans do need to live healthier. It would be cool if we all had a work-out plan made for us by the time we can walk. Like made by the govt....Nevermind, the government likes bitching about the problems in the US and going to do something in another country. They can't just throw money at fat people and have them lose weight, so we're not gettin' any help there.

  • anonymous said on Aug 30, 2009....
    Any man who puts you down because of yr weight, slim, slender, thin, fat, obese, or tall , short , or brown, chocolate or dark is a Verbal and emotional abuser.
  • thepoetthatthinks said on Aug 31, 2009....

    Aw man! I woulda liked you better if you weren't anonymous! Like what's the point of that?? It's the internet...nobody should care what people across the country think....

  • beckadawn said on Aug 31, 2009....
    I'm like the minority in here. I agree with Sean in some senses, but not in all of them.. Especially not in the way he is expressing his ideas. I posted earlier as an anonymous gal, but my name(Rebecca Madden) was included in the post, and it really surprises me that this is still going on. I said my piece earlier, so I really have nothing more to say.
  • fadetogrey said on Aug 31, 2009....
    beckadawn: I also agree with Sean. I don't think he is wrong by saying that we need to be healthy but I also disagree with his approach. But I guess to each their own, and we are all entitled to our opinions and convictions. thepoetthatthinks: lol I am glad you enjoyed my rant! I got a little carried away hehee
  • SeanRenaud said on Aug 31, 2009....

    I admit my approach is crass.  But look how long this post has been kept alive.  And half the time I'm not half as harsh as I should be.  We're dying out there people and everybody is ignoring that fact.

    Who here can say that they are actively trying to reach one of their obese friends?  Lets be honest as this post has proven overweight people are oversensitive, any kind of help no matter how subtle is going to be taken as an insult.  I have a friend, a relatively new friend and when he became part of "the group" I invited him to play racket ball with us it's (along with Video Games, and Dungeons and Dragons) is that the group does.  He's still pissed cus he thought it had somethign to do with his weight (he's not even the biggest of us) and not me accepting him as part of the core group and not just one of the guys I tolerate.  And about every third post on this blog is further proof.

  • beckadawn said on Aug 31, 2009....
    Sean, it is also obvious that this post has proven how we overweight women aren't overly sensitive. You're approach was nowhere near subtle, but when you made good points, the accepting women, like myself, agreed with you and stood up for your point of view.


    I do not take such things, as being asked to join in the fun with a group, as an insult. I either accept their offer, or I don't. Maybe it's that I'm comfortable enough with who I am, that I don't automatically believe my acquaintances would treat me that way. I am self-conscious, don't get me wrong, but I love who I am as a person, and I feel like if a friend were to judge me, it would be on that, rather than my weight.


    I will always attempt to find new ways to lose weight, since nothing has worked for me so far, but I will never ridicule my friends into thinking they aren't good enough unless they do the same. What so many people don't realize is that when you point at an overweight person and hound them, it makes them feel useless. Not only that, but it can also cause them to harbor ill feelings towards themselves and the person that pointed to begin with.


    I believe that if a friend of mine were to tell me she needed to lose weight, I would not say "Yeah, you really do.. You may die", nor would I say "It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks". I would simply clarify that I am there for support and any kind of help she required. We overweight women, and I say "we" because I am probably speaking for the majority that would like to lose weight, prefer supportive statements over crass ones. The worse you make us feel about how we look now, will actually debilitate our sense of self and cause us to feel it is impossible to change, therefore leaving us in the state of "nobody will ever love me".


    I just want to touch on one of the points that was brought up earlier on skinny people and their health issues. Sean, I know you say if being skinny were a disease of some sort, you would attack it, too. However, skinny people can die from heart disease and diabetes just as well as overweight people can. I realize being overweight doesn't help matters, but this is a sort of catch-20.


    If I were: A) Overweight and eating healthy, or B) Skinny and filling my body with crap, who will be more likely to get some form of diabetes or heart problems? I know you would like to point and say the obese person! I, however, have to disagree. I think that what we put in our bodies has a lot more to do with our health than the fat that decides to accumulate on them. I know several skinny people that eat horribly and have all sorts of heart and blood pressure issues, and they are under 30 years old! I also know skinny people who have diabetes and continue to eat miserably, not even thinking about the consequences. I have no heart problems, as of yet, and absolutely no blood pressure problems. So far, there has been no sign of me being at risk for diabetes.


    It truly is discriminatory to assume that an overweight person is lazy and worthless and not worth the time of a skinny person, who is obviously healthy and active. Honestly, Sean, for those of us who are living actively, yet sitting here in an attempt to defend ourselves, is it not obvious that not everyone who is overweight deserves what you dish out?

  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 01, 2009....
    Short answer.  Those of you who are active and eating right should not be defending those who are not.  You know damn well you are in the minority and have no business making it sound otherwise.
  • beckadawn said on Sep 01, 2009....
    Even if we are in the minority, we are still judged just the same. That is the only point I am trying to get across. If you were to see me in public, you would automatically decide that I am lazy and disgusting. You wouldn't even give me the time of day or any sort of chance to help you see otherwise. That's it, I'm not defending being fat in general, but in an active circumstance. Sorry if you took it the wrong way, but that wasn't how I meant it.
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 02, 2009....

    The thing is you are defending it as a whole.  You know you are minority and yeah it sucks that by people you don't know (and thus shouldn't really care what they they think) you're going to be judged along with the rest of them.  When we get the overweight/obesity problem down to where the underweight problem is we can treat it like anorexia and bulemia.  With love and cupcakes because we know these people have some kind of problem be it physical or mental that has them where they are.  Right now that isn't the case and I have no time to both get to know AND sort out which of you are lying and which of you aren't. 

    I suspect that many of the "active" people here are lying.  3 hours a week is the minimum for active.  Any less than that and you're not active, you just claim that you are because you're not watching television.

  • beckadawn said on Sep 02, 2009....
    And hence it is unfair. We, the active ones, are judged exactly the same as the inactive. You say you don't have the time, but I say people should take the time. I don't expect a major change in you or anyone else, but we should be given the benefit of the doubt before you cast your stones.

    If we can take the time to read through this and agree or disagree on certain points, are we not taking the time? In my personal experience, and in my town, the larger girls I've met, are the kind of girls I would rather know. They tend to be less judgmental and not near as catty.

    Don't point and say I'm being stereotypical. I said "in my personal experience, and in my town". You, on the other hand, remain stereotypical. I agree with a lot that you say, but some things are better left unsaid.

  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 02, 2009....

    Realistically how could I take the time?  Basically what you're asking is that when I go to a party I should hit on people I don't find attractive so that I can find out if they have something else I might like.  Or when I go to a business mixer I should start by talking to the guy in his sweats cus maybe he's the quirky genius who would drive my business.

    Reading thoguh this is in no way comparible.  It was year yesterday (a lot of yesterdays) and it will be here tommorow) many of them as well)  What about when you are walking through a crowd, unless you can read minds you don't have time at lunch to meat and get to know EVERYBODY.  Maybe if you work with a small group of people and intend to stay there.

    Until I become God, all statements are automatically in my experience as opposed to facts.  And very little is better left unsaid.  All the things that have been left unsaid are the reason why overweight people are the majority now instead of the minority.  That is the direct result of things not said. 

  • fadetogrey said on Sep 02, 2009....
    LOL I can't disagree with you Sean. Even though I HATE to be judged, it is impossible to get to know every person in a room and their ailments. And let's say that it is possible to get to know every person, chances are they will not share their health concerns with you initially.  Your image and the way you present yourself is very important and I think it is our  human nature to jump to conclusions according to what we see.


  • beckadawn said on Sep 02, 2009....
    I think there is a lot more that factors into obesity than people not telling someone they're getting fat. I don't mean that you need to meet everyone, or even hit on someone when you aren't attracted to them, but is it really that hard to genuinely make an effort to be friendly?


    I don't expect every guy to come up to me and flirt because they think there might be more to me than fat, nor would I want that. All I want is for maybe one out of ten to give me a chance. Rather than everyone dismissing me as nothing, I would love it if just one person would show some sort of interest(I don't even care if it's relationship-wise, or not), and it not be some kind of sick joke or a bet made between two idiotic friends.


    You think that I want you to go up to every fat girl and wait for them to spill their life stories--I don't. Everyone is attracted to different personalities, and that's fine, but would it really kill you if one of the personalities you were attracted to happened to be inside a big girl?


    I have quite a few friends that are not all that fantastic looking, and they aren't fat. My initial impression of them was never based on the way they looked, and if I can look past the outside of others, everyone else is perfectly capable of the same. People just don't bother because it's too much of an effort for them to be nice. In this sense, I'm sorry, but I feel I'm an over-achiever in a lacking society

  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 02, 2009....

    If this blog is any inditcation far more than one in ten give you a chance.  Hell I would argue that in a society where 60% of people are overwieght at least one in two men has to be giving you a chance simply because they don't have a choice.

    The only girlfriend I ever had was well overweight.  Doesn't mean I didn't try to help her improve herself.  People get this impression that loving someone implies that hey are perfect or should be excepted as they are.

    You initial impression was never based on how someone looks is bullshit.  Unless you are a mutant with the ability to read minds you don't have a choice.  (or you're blind but since your on the net I'm assuming your not blind) you don't have a choice. You're eithe rlying or mistaken.

    I don't think that any other single factor is as responsible for obesity in America as the acceptance of it.  There are certainly other factors such as an overabundance of food (we throw away enough food to feed the rest of the world) and worse the cheapness of fatty foods but most people have the time to work out everyday.  They claim they don't but what they mean is they'd rather not.  They find the time to check the email, play video games, watch movies and go drinking with their friends.  But half an hour for a walk and some sit ups?  It simply isn't there.  They don't want it bad enough.  half the reason they don't want it bad enough is because there is no reason to want it bad enough it's okay to be overweight. 

    I'm not asking for everybody to be perfect.  I"m asking people to make an effort.   I'm asking people who are making an effort to stop defending those who aren't.  Not just overweight people if you read my blogs you'll find I'm just as critical of blacks and muslims where I feel both groups allow themselves to be held back because instead of saying I"m not him they say you can't say that about X, I'm x! 

  • beckadawn said on Sep 03, 2009....
    Sean:
    You can assume all you want, but a 50% chance of being accepted is not something that happens here. Maybe it does in other areas, but not here. I don't want to argue anymore, because it's obvious that you think you're right and nothing can be said to change your mind. Everything I have to say after this paragraph is not directed at Sean(but since he will probably say something about it--this is not an excuse I've created for myself. I've never been an emotional eater, and I eat around 1300 calories a day, plus I do Tai Chi, Yoga, Budokon, and I walk[I live on a mountain, so it's a tough walk]).

    For Everyone Other Than Sean:
    If someone is overweight from overeating, about 90% of the food that is available in the US could be responsible. There is scientific evidence, and it's been available for quite some time, proving that processed foods are addictive and promote overeating by artificially stimulating dopamine. I'm not trying to create excuses for anyone, because just like any addiction, it can be beat. I just want to put the facts out there so you can understand what's happening and try to control it.
  • anonymous said on Sep 06, 2009....
    I agree with sean and so does my fiance, we both have a few pounds to lose and have been working on that issue together, it takes alot of hard work and consistency but most of all willpower to get up and do something or when saying no to that pizza. Its never easy to look at yourself and admit that you have issues but if you are fat and can look at yourself in the mirror and can honestly say that your not disgusted or at least somewhat disturbed by your ungainly appearance then your either lying to yourself or blind. I know everyone wants to be seen as attractive and if you believe that being overweight will increase your magnatism/desireability then you must be hanging with people that are also obese. Fats unhealthy, ungainly, and VERY UNSIGHTLY. I can tell you one thing my fiance and I have lost a ton of weight together and our sex lives are better than ever. It was always difficult to get in the motion when so things are aflowing in either which way. Not to be offensive to those who are more heavyset but we know from our own experience that being thinner and more health conscious has been the best thing ever that we decided to embark on besides when we first decided to get together lol. Yes I will be posting this annon because I just reading this whole thing which took 2 hrs but it was way fascinating, normally I wouldn't comment on forums but majority of people have been criticizing sean for his beliefs when he is 200% right. GO SEAN AND THOSE THAT AGREED WITH HIM. NO MORE EXCUSES. EXCUSES ARE FOR THE WEAK.
  • teacheruk said on Sep 10, 2009....
    I am shocked by the attitudes of some people and as i work with young children i now realise where so many of their worries and concerns about the way they look and what they can eat comes from. Some people on here not mentioning any names, are part of the reason why so many young children are being effected by Anorexia. Is this what our society has turned into, a group of people who judge others by their looks. I was at the hospital the other day and saw several nurses and doctors who would be classed as overweight but does that mean they are not good at their jobs? Who has the right to say just because people weigh more than what is expected that they dont make an effort. Some people on here are forgetting that there is more to obesity than just eating and not exercising. People need to open their minds and take everyone for who they are what the hell would this world be like if everyone looked the same. If woman are worried about their partners leaving them because of their weight then thats something that needs to be discussed with their partner. Dont keep your feelings to yurself if your not happy find ways to help yourself. If you are happy with your weight and body and childish shallow people like him above have a problem with you its their problem not yours, and from what i have read he hasnt had much of a life with only one girlfriend and seems to show hate and discust through his words when talking about anyone but himself. Should we really be paying attention and be bothered by the small minded people like him???
  • SeanRenaud said on Sep 10, 2009....
    Yes you should.  Because I'm right and you're an idiot.  There really isn't anything more to obesity than eating and exercise.  To claim otherwise is to be a liar. 
     
    I also like how a man's worth really is measured by how much pussy he's gotten.  And people have had the nerve to call me shallow.
  • Aaron+Wanda said on Sep 24, 2009....
    Exercising and eating healthy will help improve your life period. Whether you are overweight or not but those that do have more to gain from making these lifestyle changes don't worry for those that are genetically large I think it will help give it more shape. Just cause there are serious issues as to why they cannot lose weight, lets be realistic in the fact that how many of you people claiming to be overweight are truly happy with the way your body looks, feels.. Getting up and exercising is also a way to improve/better yourself if you don't want to do it to lose weight well, then how bout doing it to taking action in your life and doing it for your mental health and its also a sin you remember gluttony? Also, may I suggest ... it is easier to have sex and to be honest probably would make you feel more comfortable having sex cause I don't think if a person is very unpleased with the way their body kind of hangs then it wont be great cause your to afraid of what will be seen... or maybe .. they can't see.... cause of the flesh hanging over their eyes.
  • blm9276 said on Sep 24, 2009....
    I am fat... I lost 20 lbs over the summer walking about 45min-1 hr/day and drinking lots more water and not watching TV at night (which I tend to snack when I watch). I feel and look better, but I am still fat... People can hate me all they want by my appearance. It's what I think about myself that really matters. I will never be a skinny minny. This will always be a struggle. I was not a fat child nor teen as I was always outside and busy then, unlike alot of kids nowadays. I am still walking every night and drinking water and eating less but it's a gradual thing. Anyway... my point is.. I am still fat.. people will look at me and think I am lazy and eat too much.. they dont see me busting my FAT butt every day! No one knows what another is going through and you never know if a fat person you see at the store used to be fatter or just came from the gym etc. Don't judge a fat book by its cover ;)
  • malo84 said on Sep 29, 2009....
    well, it's all about a man's preference. i'm a guy and i don't think obese women are sexy, nor do i think skeletons are sexy. i like a woman at a healthy weight. i take care of myself, yeah i'm lazy sometimes and eat a burger, but overall i'm healthy, i'd like my gf to take care of herself as well. and if she takes care of herself and happens to be overweight, then fine! personally i think it's sexy to see a woman eat more then a crouton at dinner ;) overall, i think everyone should be allowed to date whoever they want and not be criticized for it. btw as i'm typing this i'm eating chedder pringles. lolllll but i'm an asian male, 6'1", muscular and 221 pounds.....and i like pringles. so sue me.
  • Mel1215 said on Oct 01, 2009....
    Im 17 years old, I am 5ft6 and 135.8 lbs exactly. I wear a size 34E cup (I have always been well developed in that area) Yet I have ridiculously skinny legs. I am completely out of proportion. I have barely any confidence anymore as I keep looking back to when my stomach was completely flat - which it isnt anymore. I exercise regularly and I do eat a balanced diet. Thing is, I fit into a UK size 10/12 (US 6/8?) and I am generally unhappy with my size. My ex-boyfriend (Of whom I was dating for 3 years) commented that my boobs are great, but that was it. Which obviously knocked my confidence. Its not that I want to be a size 0 or anything of the sort - I am just curious if all men are the same and do not find bigger girls attractive in a sexual manner? Has anyone ever been in a situation like this before? I'd appreciate the advice. - Mel.
  • beckadawn said on Oct 01, 2009....
    Mel, real men are attracted to a woman's confidence and charisma. I am much much larger than you, and if I can love and have enough confidence in myself to attract others, you definitely can. Let's face it, there are several not-so-attractive guys out there that have this fantasy woman built up in their heads. In my experience, these guys are the ones that think they "deserve" a supermodel.


    Women are extremely beautiful in their adversity. If there was one perfect shape, every woman would look the exact same. One thing is for sure, you do "deserve" a man that loves every aspect of you. Good luck!

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 01, 2009....

    Mel, you'r not big.  You're not even borderline big.

    Beck, while your words are inspiring they are lies.

  • beckadawn said on Oct 01, 2009....
    I think everyone needs to let this post die.. I can't understand why Sean spends so many days out of his life, on this post, belittling others.


    Everyone who doesn't agree with him is a liar or whatever he decides to deem them. Where are his facts? He doesn't have any. Everything he says is based on opinion only. It's actually rather pathetic.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 01, 2009....

    Wait, are you claiming it's my opinion that obesity is a problem in the United States?  Are you claiming that it is not a fact that obesity leads to a great deal of health issues to include diabetes and heart conditions? 

    Wait, what you claiming is that every woman is happy with her body because if she wasn't to use your exact words If there was one perfect shape, every woman would look the exact same. So clearly every woman has chosen her shape consciously and none are either lucky or have earned their bodies with hours in the gym.

    Sorry, you're a liar.  You make people feel good but your still a liar.

  • beckadawn said on Oct 01, 2009....
    I never claimed any of the things you said. As a matter of fact, I agreed with you on all your health-wise points. I don't have to justify my words, because if there were a perfect shape, women would all look the same.


    I refuse to re-hash everything I said in earlier posts, so I suggest you scroll up and read them again; until then, I'll add a few thoughts:


    I agree that people should be active and eat sensibly, but I absolutely do not believe we should strive to be a certain size or look like a beauty queen. I wouldn't mind losing weight, but as I've already stated, I maintain a healthy lifestyle as it is. I'm perfectly happy the way I am, which is probably due to the fact that I don't need a man to make me happy.


    I hate to break it to you, but if a woman is skinny and doesn't feel good about herself, she's not that attractive. I'm attracted to people who have confidence and charisma, and the only men I've ever met, that are worth knowing, are the same way. What good is it to look at something that meets the standard of beauty, if they're stuck up, or treat others like shit?


    If you were to stick me in a room with ten women that weighed the exact same as me, put us on the same workout plan and diet, I guarantee you that none of us would look anywhere near the same in the end. That's the beauty of diversity, and I like several different body types of men, and would be pretty bored if they all looked the same.


    Personally, I like chunkier men with meat on their bones. I don't like men with too much muscle. I know that must go against Sean's idea of what people want, but it's the truth. Even if I were thinner, which I did used to be, I can easily say I'd still prefer larger men. So Sean, despite what you may think, people do have different preferences when it comes to what they're attracted to. I don't care whether you agree or not, because that is only your opinion. It is a fact that, in my group of fat, thin and average-sized friends, we all have different tastes, and none of them are set to the skinny norm.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 02, 2009....
    So basically you agree with everything I've ever said and you're just a bitch and that's why you're disagreeing with me.  Basically because it's chic. 
  • blm9276 said on Oct 02, 2009....
    WOW!! Nasty! I saw nothing that justified anyone being called a b****... I can't tell and of you what to do but please don't resort to name calling. It's just juvenile and disrespectful. Are we not all adults here?
  • blm9276 said on Oct 02, 2009....
    any*
  • beckadawn said on Oct 02, 2009....
    That only proves how childish you are, to resort to calling me names. Like I said before, I am a liar or bitch, or whatever you decide, when your opinion isn't shared 100%. When confronted with something you don't know how to counter, you turn to cussing and trying to change the subject. It's too bad there are people like you that practically ruin the self-esteem of some, when your opinions really don't count for much in the scheme of things.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 02, 2009....
    That's the thing, our opinion is shared 100%, or at least 80.  You're disagreeing with me to be in style.  Congrats on being a sheep
  • beckadawn said on Oct 02, 2009....
    I don't disagree to be in style, at all. This forum was started to discuss what others prefer, and I am simply stating my preferences, proving that not everyone wants a perfect "model" as a mate. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't really mean anything to me.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 02, 2009....

    Never have I said that people want to be a perfect model shape.  Go on pull the quote.  I bet I could pull twice as many stating that people should strive to be healty and I've defined healty as many times.

    Look stop being an idiot.  The problem here is that your on my side and you'r making my side look stupid so please shut up.  I do bad enough since most people would rather be loved than right.

  • blm9276 said on Oct 03, 2009....

    Sean the truth is you're right... it's better to be in good shape, eat right, what have you.. but the other truth is that everyone has health issues..even the people that do this all the time (i.e. high cholesterol, BP-genetics). How many healthy women do you know that get breast cancer.. the #'s are staggering.

    Anyway, fellow fat people, let's just take care of ourselves the best we can, shed a few lbs if need be, through eating better and moving, getting outside, dancing around in you underwear in the privacy of your own home... WHATEVER...and if you eat that cream puff or banana split once in awhile get over it and get on with life. If someone loves you fat, great! If you love yourself fat, great. If not, then just do what you can to change that, so the Seans of this world will just give it a rest :P

  • sarabella said on Oct 03, 2009....
    I'm a sixteen year old female and I have struggled with my weight all of my life. I'm not going to blame my parents, but due to the fact that they worked strange shifts and were never home, I was treated to fast food for the majority of my childhood. In elementary and middle school, I was teased and picked on for being "fat" and "ugly". I was never invited to parties or social events because I was "that stupid fat bitch" and I spent my time at home. Over the years I got bigger and bigger as I spiraled into depression and self-loathing. A few years down the road I was diagnosed with depression, generalized anxiety disorder, low self-esteem, and social anxiety. I decided to take action about my weight and I managed to lose twenty pounds. Now, I'm 5'10" and 220lbs, and I'm still not done. My point here is that it's increasingly difficult to lose weight with the people that say "fat people are ugly" or "fat people are stupid and lazy". It's a real downer, and if others are anything like me, I eat when I'm depressed. Maybe others should be supportive of those trying to lose weight instead of making rude comments. I can understand being upset with those who are morbidly obese and don't try to lose weight...but still, does being "fat" make someone less of a person? We're all people and we all like to be supported, so give those who are trying to accomplish weight loss a boost. As for the relationship part of this conversation--from my observations, men don't like fat women. But then again, I'm still in high school, and it's a completely different world. It hurts when your skinny friends ignore you because they're with their boyfriends, but the relationships don't last long anyways. I'm balancing college classes and one high school class currently, and I think I'm just going to focus on my education. Fuck relationships. In response to the crazy argument between Sean and the others: let the man have his own opinion. There's no reason to act immature. Personally, I don't like his comments, but I'm not going to attack him.
  • beckadawn said on Oct 03, 2009....
    Sarabella, I agree. As I've stated before, harsh comments do not help people lose weight. I believe in encouragement only, and every person should be able to love themselves as they are throughout their weight loss process. If you hate yourself, no matter what you do, you'll most likely never lose weight.


    And thank you for saying it's his opinion!! I have been trying to make that obvious for awhile now, since he believes it's fact, and nothing else matters.

  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 04, 2009....
    It is a fact beck.  When you're confronted on the facts you immediately retreat because you know that I'm stating facts.  Maybe harsh comments aren't the only way to go but honestly I haven't said much here that was harsh.  Its only harsh because nobody else is saying ANYTHING.  The rest of people are at the least condoning the behavior.
  • beckadawn said on Oct 04, 2009....
    I've not retreated from anything when you've stated facts. The only thing I am disputing over are your opinions, Sean. I am perfectly fine with agreeing to disagree, but I just think it's sad that you can't see that some of your words are pure opinion, and nothing else.
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 04, 2009....
    What have I stated that is opinion?
  • beckadawn said on Oct 04, 2009....
    I don't feel like searching for quotes, so I'll pick a more recent one: "I don't think that people should be attracted to people who are overweight... because it does show part of your personality. Just like having a dirty car shows how much you care and is another way of measuring your personality."


    My main issue is with your method. I've tried to lose weight for years, and because of my genetics I can't seem to lose much at all. It's very difficult to succeed when others make you feel like you aren't worth anything. In order to make a positive change, people need to feel good about themselves, not like they mean absolutely nothing.


    In reference to personalities, I just want to finish by saying that larger people have better personalities in the area I live in. Again, Sean, I am not attacking you--I'm attacking your method, and your opinion that nobody could or should be attracted to larger people. I think arguing about this is silly, since we will both go away with the same things we came with.


    My anonymous post from long ago stated my situation, as well as my agreement with your ideas. I especially liked one of your posts where you listed being active as a substitute for exercising. A lot of people do have problems with exercising. From my experience, exercising is very difficult if you have extremely large breasts--of course, so is everything else, too. In the end, it is everyone's decision for their own health and well-being, and a little friendly encouragement helps a lot.

  • Aaron+Wanda said on Oct 07, 2009....
    I think no matter what side of the view your coming from. But we can all agree that no matter what body shape, size, etc. you have trying to improve on what you have whether its physically, mentally, or etc. The thing is its all about trying to get people to just improve no matter what is something we should all make a goal in our lives. Whether or not your heavy if your trying to eat healthier, trying to do more exercising, doing this whether its to lose weight or for a healthier longer life its all bout trying to improve one's self. Sorry if I'm sounding like a broken record just wanted to get my point across.
  • Nifferbutts said on Oct 21, 2009....
    I think there's way to much pressure on women having to look a certain way to please a mans eye and not enough pressure on a man to really do anything to deserve it. So many times I see these short, fat, old, flabby, bony, spaz lookin guys makin so many demands regarding a womans appearance. But yet they bring nothing to the table themselves, they either look average, like shit, so so or they totally suck in bed but all that goes unexcused because it doesn't matter. Us women are expected to just except you for just who you are while you ridicule our looks and bedroom methods constantly asking us to improve or change something about ourselves. In every relationship BOTH people should pay more attention to what they're giving to the other person and less on what they're going to get from the other person. Men, next time your thinking about asking your woman to change something about herself think about what you've done to please her lately...
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 22, 2009....
    While that's not true.  A man is expected to have money.  A woman's ability to date isn't damaged AT ALL by being in her 30's and still living with her parents.  A man who is past 22 and still lives with his parents might as well cut his dick off.  That said your statement is true.  Guys often don't work nearly as hard as they should and they need to put more effort into it.
  • blm9276 said on Oct 22, 2009....
    uh..no Sean. If you read my posts I have not condoned anything. Please do not generalize. Thanks!
  • blm9276 said on Oct 22, 2009....
    all I can say is... any of you that are fat and tired of people putting you down and hurting you and you just want to accept yourself and be loved and welcomed with kindness and encouragement and love AT ANY SIZE!! Visit Dimensions online... wonderful community! Forget this forum! :) Peace out!
  • 2113Audrey said on Oct 28, 2009....
    Sean,
    You won't change their habits by pissing them off over the internet. Yeah, they might be unhealthy but some of them have low self-esteem and can't admit it. They're people and they have feelings that you totally chopped in half. Asshole.
    Also, I fucken love you.
  • Dgraham0108 said on Oct 30, 2009....
    Sean i read one of your comments earlier in the conversation about why arent we making commercials about obesity kills instead of cigarrette commercials... (or something like that) Well the reason we dont have those and america is not trying to save people who are obese.. is because they are obese on purpose..... our country's food industry and drug industries all work together... they want their people fat so we spend more money on trying to lose it in weight loss pills and other things of that sort. our food contains poisons and especially fast food contains poisons that makes it taste so good to mess with our minds and make us want more. sorry if i didnt explain well.. im not good at that... but yes... its all on purpose... they dont want us to be skinny then or else they wouldnt get our money. everybody should read the book "natural cures they dont want us to know about".
  • SeanRenaud said on Oct 31, 2009....

    That idea is stupid.  For starters our foods do not contain poisons.  But if they did then why would they have abandoned other industries like the smoking industry.  Smoking still makes billions both as an industry and as a tax base.  So why does the government support anti-tobacco.  By your logic they should support it and probably weed as well. 

     

  • malo84 said on Nov 01, 2009....
    not poison, but addictive things. like cheese has chemicals that release dopamine, you have caffeine in soda, chocolate releases serotonin and endorphin. basically, they know how to make bad food addictive. and with all those diet programs like pills and diet shakes, it helps you lose some weight but then what? you gain it all back when you stop. and they don't really care that it doesn't work, cause they make millions selling you stuff that won't work.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 01, 2009....

    But most of (if not all) are naturally occuring.  And the fucking Indians had chocolate AND coffee.  We've had cheese for more than the last twenty years.  While there are issues within the food industry they aren't the culprits.  We are. 

    We as a society have been (and if you look up at virtually every post that isn't mine over the last two years) saying that it's okay to be fat.  If someone things you are unnatractive because you are overweight it's their loss.  They shouldn't think badly about you and neither should you.  So then people see a few more pounds packed on and they shrug cus it's nothing wrong with them, its something wrong with society.

    Even you are sitting here pointing the finger outward when you know good and damn well that most people don't exercise 30 minutes a week much less the suggested 3 hours a week.  You know good and damn well that soda isn't THAT addictive.  It's not like crack where if you skip a day or two of Pepsi you'll break down with the jitters.  Maybe a few withdrawl headaches if you were a six can a day guy but even that's rare.

    Of course diets don't work.  That is sheer marketing.  Lifestyles work.  You have to change HOW you do things not pick a program get to where you want to be and go back to how you were.  But to be fair that's not the marketing people's mistakes.  That's just people are stupid.

  • chessmstr06 said on Nov 01, 2009....
    Here's a thought everybody, STOP REPLYING TO SEANRENAUD'S COMMENTS. This guy has no life, scroll up to the top of the page. For over 2 YEARS this guy has been speaking trash about obesity. Yes it is a growing concern but this guy is going about explaining it all wrong. He has no life and is set out on ruining yours. I am a 5.6, 22 year old male at 129 pounds, so no seanrenaud, i am not obese. If you can stop taking offense to this guy he might just go away. People that spend 2 years belittling people dont deserve your attention. So lets all try to ignore Seanrenaud. I think i speak for all the overweight you pestered Seanrenaud in your lifetime when I say "GO TO HELL"
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 02, 2009....
    If by "Go to hell" You mean ignore your problems till they kill you then you'd be right whichi s exactly why I go go on.  Because I love all of you and will do whatever I can to keep you from dying.
  • malo84 said on Nov 02, 2009....
    caffeine is actually a legal drug, so you do get withdrawal symptoms. and yeah, chocolate and cheese and coffee have been around for a long time, but it wasn't until chocolate was brought to Europe did they start adding sugar to it. i'm not saying that it's an excuse, but it does play a big role. i'm an asian male, 6'1" and 220 pounds of muscle, i know what it takes to be fit, and i can understand why not everyone would want to do it, because it's hard. it's easy for a normal weight person to tell someone who's obese to lose weight and losing weight is so easy, but really, how many of those normal weight people eat healthy and exercise? not a lot.
  • malo84 said on Nov 02, 2009....
    and btw, there's no way our society says it's ok to be obese. they have to pay more for clothes, travel, ambulance, health care, insurance, employers are less likely to hire an overweight person, and everywhere you look there's size 0 models, so no, our society doesn't say it's ok to be obese, they say if you want to be obese, fine, but you'll pay for it. wouldn't you much rather look like this little twig figure in the window? isn't that shirt gorgeous?? well you could fit into that shirt with our product!! lose 50 pounds in 3 days!! and yeah it's stupid, but some obese people are so desperate to be normal that they'll do anything that offers a quick fix. 
  • blm9276 said on Nov 02, 2009....
    Sean, The truth of the matter is... its fat peoples lives...if they wanna live and eat what they want..whats it to you? I mean really..do you crusade against pesticides in water, people smoking etc all in the name of not wanting people to die?? People are just plain out prejudice against fat people and you know it (and by your comments I would say you are no different), because they either 1) are worried they might look like that or 2) don't like how it looks and it makes them uncomfortable so they in turn HAVE to say something. I mean heavne forbid they keep their big yaps shut. I mean afterall they have room to say s*** right??! they are perfect and all.... doh! Dont play the "just want to help, peace love blahhh" card, because every fat person knows better and knows the truth! If you dont like them then just ignore them, dont have them in your life, dont date them and move on with your own life. Lord knows the fat people will get along just fine without YOU and your comments!
  • Dgraham0108 said on Nov 02, 2009....
    everything that we eat nowadays does have poisons. indians didnt spray their veggies with pesticides and ingredients to make them grow faster... they didnt feed their cows ingredients to make them have more meat on them and grow into adults faster....... its all of these things that our food contains that makes us fat. 
     
     
    But anyways..... I promise you that if you eat only ORGANIC foods..... you WILL lose weight.  Even organic ice cream... and chocolate.  Yeah it costs more.. but definately worth it.  Most grocery stores have an organic isle so check it out.
  • beckadawn said on Nov 02, 2009....
    It surprises me how ignorant some people can be. It's obvious there are toxins and addictive chemicals in modern day food. Why argue this point? I truly am beginning to think that maybe it is just over a deep dislike towards larger people, because toxins in our foods are fact, not fiction. To deny that is only a way to point and place blame on people's laziness and willpower.


    I am, in no way, saying that people aren't partially responsible for their weight, but really? No toxins or poisons? Please.

  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 02, 2009....

    Yes no toxins.  No poisons.  I can't believe you peole are deluded enough to buy into that crap.  But it's just one more excuse to heap on the pile I guess

  • anonymous said on Nov 02, 2009....
    I can tell that this has all gotten a little off the original topic question, but I would like to say... Of course everyone has their own personal preferences. And I, being 20years old 5'8'' and 180lbs, know that I am not the "ideal body type." I have been with many men that think I am beautiful, and no, I know that never meant that they wouldn't be more phisically attracted if I was more fit. But they were still with me FOR ME. And I work in customer service and hardly a day goes by where I don't get complimented or asked out or the like. I'm not bringing that up to brag or boast, I am saying that MY WEIGHT DOESN'T MAKE ME UGLY. And I have never had a sex partner not want a repeat, so it's not like they were all "drunken one nigt stands". Most have even brought up the fact that I'm the best sex they've ever had. Or how rare it is to find someone who will do it in the morning daylight or with the lights on even. A lot of it has to do with confidence I think. And I'm not lazy. I eat small healthy meals, exercise regualrly along with other activity. But I also like to have fun and go out and drink and socialize and just be myself. When I'm out with friends or at an event I don't want to be counting the calories in my salad dressing, I want to be dancing to the latest song or drinking martinis chatting it up with a friend. I'm not saying that being fat makes me more attractive, I'm saying I am beautiful despite that. And I'm neither saying that I couldn't live a healthier lifestyle and better my future, but atleast I'm not all stressed out and giving myself premature wrinkles and zits right??!
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  • blm9276 said on Nov 03, 2009....
    Just like the people who say they want to "help fat people by berating them" are delusional, and the truth is, it is more about the look, not the health aspect. Keep on telling yourself whatever you like to make yourself feel good about hating on fat people! Whatever helps you sleep at night. Everyone else: Love people of all shapes and sizes! Show love by kindness and caring, encouragement and support! Peace :)
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 04, 2009....

    Why don't you say the same for smokers blm?  Or drug addicts?  Or alcoholics?  Or Criminals?  I ask because all of these things kill less than obesity.  So we are supposed to encourage them to be happy with who they are?  At some point you have to put your foot down and say NO. 

    I'm dead serious if I were your mother and I lived with a line of coke on my dresser would you kindly and carringly encourage me to quite or would you slap me?  Why is your reaction to obesity so much kinder when it kill so many more people and is clearly communicable unlike coke which is almost the opposite (though no such term exists).

  • blm9276 said on Nov 04, 2009....
    I don't blame and put down anyone Sean... that's the difference between you and me, Obesity kills more???? pffftt.. next time check who puts out those STATS, biased! lets looks at it logically fat people vs. smokers- since when does someone eating affect the air of innocent bystanders? fat people vs. drug addicts/alcoholics- since when do fat people steal or sell their bodies for their next sugar fix, or act tweaky and neglect their friends and families or better yet when full of food when do they drive and kill people and cause major accidents? fat people vs. criminals- since when does eating make someone a thief, rapist, murderer etc? The world sometimes is kinder to these people than it is fat people. Dont compare apples to oranges, or better yet apples to goat cheese... not EVEN in the same category. People don't really give a s*** about fat people's health, health is a cop-out for them to think they can rag on fat people. They just hate the way they look, and I would say you are the same, otherwise it wouldn't bother you so much, I don't think. Because you visually have to see it, it makes you uncomfortable (for whatever reason; be it how you were raised, who knows) it makes you feel compelled to comment on it. Fat people are adults and make their choices in life just like anyone else. You are not the fat police or the fat monitor. Get over your prejudiced and move on. Based on your posts here Sean YOU ARE PREJUDICED AGAINST FAT PEOPLE! Fix yourself first!
  • Dgraham0108 said on Nov 04, 2009....
    hmmmm that is a very good point sean.  Most obese people dont even know how to eat healthy and wish that they had the guidance and someone to "slap them".........
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 04, 2009....
    Of course I'm prejudiced agianst fat people.  Every healthy minded person is.
  • malo84 said on Nov 04, 2009....
    most people i know who are prejudiced against fat people are just as unhealthy. they drink, smoke, sleep around, so just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they're healthy. and btw, smoking is the leading cause of preventable death, followed by obesity.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 04, 2009....

    Of course being skinny doesn't mean your healthy.  It helps but there are obviously more factors.  Lets not pretend that fat people don't smoke, drink and sleep around though.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/lcod.htm

    Sorry malo.  Heart disease takes more than cancer.  And I'm granting you the benefit of the doubt and ignoreing that being overweight has been shown to encourage some kinds of cancer.  I'm also pretending that breast cancer doesn't exist.  The only cancer is smoking related and you still loose.  And thats before I bring in diabetes which again is both exasperated and at least in youths caused by obesity.  But childhood obesity isn't a problem for America.  It's my problem because I'm just a hater.

    Even if I was a hater that still doesn't make your position on this sane.

  • beckadawn said on Nov 05, 2009....
    Leading Causes in the United States

    This still shows smoking in the lead.

    On a side note, I went to an herbalist(and before anyone can say anything, the one I went to was a registered pharmacist) and had a hair analysis done. Some people may think this is silly, but it's really a great thing. I have seven different pills to take(none of which will cause harsh, medicinal side effects), but almost all of these pills are temporary.

    First, I found that my adrenal gland is keeping my body in fight or flight mode, and my metabolism can't keep up with the adrenal stress. There were a few other deficiencies, but the most important thing, I feel needs to be mentioned, involves my doctor. I asked my doctor for a thyroid test because my mother has hypothyroid and I thought it might be hereditary.

    The test came back showing my Thyroxine as high, and my T3 uptake as low. I didn't know what this meant, but it was obviously off. My doctor was supposed to call and discuss it-he never did. I called and spoke with him for a few minutes. He said he would look at it and call me back-again, he never did. I called again and spoke with the nurse, who said he still hadn't looked at my tests and that he would call me back-and he never did. These calls were spaced out across two weeks, so I was not rushing him in the least.

    After giving up, I took this test with me to the herbalist. She looked at it for under a minute and told me that it was huge. She said that it meant my body was working in overdrive to create T4(cannot be absorbed in the body), but it wasn't able to convert enough of it into T3(can be absorbed), so my body wasn't getting enough T3. I am now taking a supplement containing T3, but she told me that once I get my adrenal gland under control, my thyroid should be able to catch up and balance out on its own.

    She explained everything to me in detail, and I am much more aware of how my body reacts to different things. If anyone was thinking about going to an herbalist, I definitely recommend it--skinny people, too. I think everyone should have this understanding and know exactly what their bodies are lacking. My deficiencies and adrenal stress are causing me to convert all my carbohydrates into fat, and none into energy. It explains so much, so everyone should at least think about it. It's well worth it.

  • blm9276 said on Nov 05, 2009....
    No, every healthy minded person is not prejudiced.. there are men and women that work out, eat healthy and are slender that date, like, love and marry fat people... again like I said.. you can use health as a cop out to hide your VISUAL prejudiced, but when you get down to the meat and potatoes, it is all about looks (and that goes for ANYONE who acts anything but civil towards fat people.. who are just that..PEOPLE). Let he who is innocent cast the first stone. In other words when YOU are PERFECT, then you can judge those around you. Until then mehhhhhhhhhhhh.. I am done.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 05, 2009....

    Let he who is innocent cast the first stone is a suicide pact.  Are you honestly telling me that you aren't BETTER than a murderer? 

  • malo84 said on Nov 06, 2009....
    read it again, i said leading cause of "preventable" death. tobacco use is still at the top.
  • malo84 said on Nov 06, 2009....
    and it doesn't just cause lung cancer, but also  larynx, esophageal, and oral cancer. not counting the deaths from second hand smoke, which actually, smokers and second hand smoke can cause heart disease. so really, check your stats before you make a statement. 
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 06, 2009....

    There is no proof that 2nd hand smoke has ever killed anybody though its a safe bet to assume that it did.  Still I gave you the benefit of the doubt and pretended that breast and prostate cancer don't exist.  I assumed that every single case of cancer was smoking related and none weren't.  I didn't check the facts I just let them work in your favor.

    Heart Disease is largely preventable so is diabetes.  But it's okay I see you are a supporter of Childhood Diabetes.  Because we shouldn't be telling them that what they are doing is bad.  We should be telling them they are beautiul.

    Also of course part of it is inspired by being physically unnatracted.  For starters that is the entire point of this post.  But more to the point being overweight is a visual indicator of your health.  Sure there are fat people who are healthy.  There are also smokers who do the Tour de France and alcoholics who do the Ironman.  It doesn't mean anything other than people can overcome things and no two people are alike. 

    I'm still curious why none of you are out there debating against the anti-smoking leagues.

  • malo84 said on Nov 06, 2009....
    there is plenty of proof that second hand smoke has killed, and ya, as a health professional i totally support childhood diabetes. don't start spewing shit cause you have nothing smart to say.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 07, 2009....

    Mal084:as a health professional i totally support childhood diabetes.

    Okay we've heard enough from you.  Thank you for being honest.

  • AmandaTurner said on Nov 07, 2009....
    Hello, I too came to this site on a random search. I recently got it in my head that the man I have been in love with for almost 8 years loves me BUT not my body. I am 5'3 and weigh 275 pounds. At my highest I have weighed 290! Most of the posters on this site may hate me for what I am about to say but so be it. Sean Renaud is RIGHT! The way he says it may not be nice, but DAMN IT he is right. I have tried to delude myself for years that I am sexy, I am pretty, I am worthy as a big woman, and I believe (at times) that this is true. However, I know that by being overweight I am unhealthy, I have "tried" to lose weight but I always go back to my old habits. After reading all of the posts on here I think that I won't stop until I hit my goal now, because what people came to this site to get was another self assurance, something to allow you to feel better about yourself for not taking care of yourself. I know that's why I came, I googled do men like fat woman to excuse myself for not wanting to commit to being healthy. All of you women on here saying that my man likes me for who I am that is great and your man is great for that. But ask yourself a question, if he was with a smaller woman would she have to justify his love of her. It almost sounds as if your saying your man has simply lowered his standards and setteled for you. *****I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE****However, what I am saying is that if you constantly have to justify why you are the way you are, the sad truth is you desperately want to change but have no idea how. While I will admit Sean TOTALLY missed the gist of the topic, he is dead on about urging people to be healthier, I commend him for his insight, but I am not in agreement with his delivery. I would like to rephrase for him: LADIES AND MEN, LOVE YOURSELF FIRST. COMMIT TO MAKING YOURSELF BETTER SECOND. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE IDEA THAT NO MATTER HOW PERFECT YOU OR YOUR MAN/WOMAN BELIEVE YOU TO BE, YOU CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER. Sorry for rambling...hope this squashes this thread tho, we could have all lost some weight or been making steps to be healthier instead of typing our lives away on this stupid site. Love Amanda NOT Anon!
  • malo84 said 13 days ago....
    it's sarcasm, smart one
  • SeanRenaud said 13 days ago....

    It wasn't sarcasm Malo.  If it was you'd be on myside of the debate.  It's bad enough that your an idiot please don't become a liar. 

    AmandaTurnder said (perfectly):LADIES AND MEN, LOVE YOURSELF FIRST. COMMIT TO MAKING YOURSELF BETTER SECOND. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE IDEA THAT NO MATTER HOW PERFECT YOU OR YOUR MAN/WOMAN BELIEVE YOU TO BE, YOU CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER.

  • malo84 said 12 days ago....
    you think i was serious when i said i support childhood diabetes? lol wow. you need help in more ways than one. and if i was you, i would learn proper grammar, because you're an idiot. 
  • SeanRenaud said 12 days ago....
    If you didn't support childhood diabetes you'd be on my side of this debate telling fat people to try to help themselves.  So one last chance.  Say you think people who are overweight should work to fix it.
  • malo84 said 12 days ago....
    no, i won't. it's their choice. same as we don't yell at people for drinking or smoking, because it's their choice on what goes into their own body. is is unhealthy? yes. but it's their choice. like it's my choice to be fit, i respect their decision to eat. it's their life, not yours. 
  • SeanRenaud said 11 days ago....
    Yes we do yell at people for drinking and smoking.  In fact we have an entire industry dedicated to nothing but yelling at smokers.  I'm glad your at least honest enough to admit that childhood diabetes is cool with you though.  Not many people are brave enough to be that honest. 
  • malo84 said 11 days ago....
    and what do they do? they go right back to smoking and drinking. really. because yelling at them doesn't help anything. i don't support childhood diabetes, thought i made that pretty clear, i'm sorry you're not able to understand simple english. sad. but unlike you, i'm not going to spend years on this board. so my parting thoughts. if you really cared about these people's health, you wouldn't be bashing them. all you care about is that they don't look good in your eyes, and they should change to meet your approval. congrats! you sound like hitler! 
  • anonymous said 3 days ago....
    First, neither of you morons can 'support childhood diabetes'. It's a polygenic inherited disease, that manifests itself in a number of early and unpreventable ways. I don't think that anyone in their right mind can disagree with the principles behind Mr. Renaud's argument; there is overwhelming evidence that links obesity and disease. I will add, though, that his grammar makes me want to eat a bowl of broken glass. I've seen much better writing done by a twelve-year-old illiterate Zambian sheep herder. Although, to be fair, he seemed like a very bright sheep herder. But that is neither here nor there. Do men like fat women? Well, if the term 'fat' in this context means overweight, then, according to the ridiculous BMI scale, it includes everyone from top-tier athletes like the Williams sisters to smokin' hot actresses like Salma Hayek. But let's not go by that scale. Let's assume that fat means between 10 and 30 lbs over a healthy weight for their height. Do men like women like that? I think it's a function of their security and their preference. An insecure man, who is independently indifferent or ambivalent to such a factor, will select a woman that characterizes what he thinks other men will like; in this case, it means a skinny girl. This is pretty unfortunate, but true. However, one can reasonably infer that such a man, and, by extension, any girl that would date him, will probably be unhappy anyways(read: fuck em). Then, there is the matter of preference. Some men don't like skinny women. Some men do. Some men like women with big butts or boobs. Some men prefer the feel of a fat women in bed. Is the latter an evil person, for preferring his woman to be in an unhealthy state, even if it is her natural state? I think Mr. Renaud would contend that he is. I think most reasonable people would argue that it is far more unhealthy to obsessively attempt to reach a weight that society has told you is safer; there are a veritable legion of other factors that influence things like diabetes and heart problems. Furthermore, the pressure to lose weight(especially if it is perceived to be aesthetically motivated) can do more psychological damage than being overweight can do physically. Finally, I think that if I had the choice(which I do, because I'm awesome), I would much rather have a woman that is 20-30 pounds overweight and confident, happy, and sexy. This might be partially because I don't give a shit what anyone, particularly anyone named Sean, thinks. It could also be partially because I see skinny-to-the-point-of-androgyny models to be pretty weird looking. But I like to think that it is more because I would rather conduct an emotionally health relationship that isn't centered around societal acceptance and aesthetics. For the record, my girlfriend of five years is about 5'4, 145-150, and all curves. She is the most beautiful woman in the world. Plenty of my friends joke that she will probably gain weight; I wouldn't care if she didn't. Plenty of doctors would probably tell her to lose weight; she wouldn't care. And she's in med school.
  • beckadawn said about 10 hours ago....
    I love your anonymous post. This is what I've been trying to say. It's all got to do with preferences and personality. Confidence and charisma go a long way.

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