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For those of you just tuning in now Universal responded to one of my blogs and challenged me to a debate on roughly all things, I'm sure this will spawn other related blogs but that the moment I'm explaining why this blog sounds like what it is, an answer.
 
hello i made the comment earlier the anonymos one, i live in england and its 2.10 am. r u there? i dont have to agree with u or be wrong. everyone is entitled to an oppinion. dont you think so mr seanrenaud? why do u believe ur so superior? cos u do dont u? i mean for fs sake u think ur better than sliced bread!!! just, stop n think a minute of all the lives u ruined by going to war in iraq, those poor, poor people their innopcent lives u ruined, what the f do they have left now, f all thats what.
where do u get off telling people whats right and wrong???????????????????
 
This is actually and obviously several questions rolled into one thing.  Do I think everybody has a right to their own opinion?  Yes, and I think that on occasion it might even differe from mine.  I don't have a right to come into your home and force you to change your opinion.  I can call you stupid though because you know that is a matter of opinion.  :-)
 
I'm only going to breifly touch on Iraq.  I didn't choose to go to that war, Bush did.  I signed on before 9/11 to defend my nation.  I didn't know about any planes, or any WMD's or any of that crap. 
 
Yeah I do think that I'm better, I also think that you should in your own opinion think that in certain things you are better than most, if not any others.
 
I get off telling people what's right and wrong the same way everybody else on this planet does.  I see something and I make a judgement.  I just say it.
 
p.s i bet your a white american from a middle class family thats always got what you ever wanted. ur out of order for ruining all those peoples lives.
 
If you give me an email or something I'll send you an email of a picture of me holding a sign that says whatever you want.  I am lower middle class but I'm not white.  If you're not going to give me a website or someway of proving myself as an African American then uh I'm not going to debate with you on that.  There really is no point.
 
p.s dont block me this could and will get good, I am as stubborn as you. I was debating captain at my secondary school n trust me i can talk for england, its what i do best. no one can ever get me to shut up. but the difference between u me......... Im fair and equal to all and I love to hear everyones oppinion and not always but sometimes they can get me to change mines.
 
If I didn't want love to hear your opinion I would have simply deleted you son.  If you ask Bloc or Silver if your right I'll tell you.  I do occasionally change my mind.  I imagine you read through my blogs but couldn't possibly have gone through all of my comments.  Very few debates have I been in that I have lost.
 
I've never been part of a debate team so honestly it will be that much sweeter when I best somebody who is a self proclaimed captian of a debate team.  I mean by all logic you should be able to best me soundly. 
 
Also if its not too much trouble use complete words and something that resembles proper puncuation.  I'm not British but I'm fairly certain that you lot put periods and capitals in similar places to us yanks.  :-)


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  • NobodySpecial said on Nov 16, 2006....
    This could get interesting.
  • missb said on Nov 16, 2006....
    Exactly!
     
    Cheers :)
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 17, 2006....
    all right, i'm firing up some popcorn.  who wants some?

    just a quick note: online discussions do not conform to most rules of debate.

    ed
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Im sorry I missed this blog and still commented in your lets legalise suicide blog. But give me a minute to catch up on what you said, Il get back to you shortly.
     
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Ok cant stick around long but
    1) Im so not stupid
    2) The war- fair enough I suppose you didnt have a choice.
    3) Better than most- nope your wrong otherwise we'd all be walking around with heads to big to fit any doorways and thinking your better than others, isnt that part of the reason the worlds in the state that it is.
    4) e-mail/ not white- ok I believe you but im curious as to what you look like, I will sort you out an e-mai.
    5) deleted you son- Im not a your son! whatever my point is Im not a bloke.
    6) captain of a debate team- Im so embarassed to have said that. but it was 2 in the morning and I was tired and a little stoned.
    7) punctuation- I'l try but im a textaholic so my words are always without puctuation and hardly ever full words. You can read though cant you so it shouldnt be too hard for you. come on now you managed to take part in a war so surely it wont be to hard to concentrate a little harder on reading.
    Last comment, I look forward to hearing from you soon. :-)
     
  • missfickle said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I'm just following your discussion - I hope it stays intellectual!!!!
  • curmudgeon said on Nov 17, 2006....
    My money is on Sean.
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Curmudgeon, in that case I reckon you should watch and see what happens. lol.
  • paidinblood said on Nov 17, 2006....
    SW: give me some! :D

    I'm sorry universal but my money is also on Sean; but hey, I guess we'll all have to see how this turns out!

    Much respect,
    paidinBlood

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 17, 2006....
    [hands PIB some popcorn]

    haven't seen you around for a while, PIB.  been away, or just in another part of SC?

    ed
  • paidinblood said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I've been away.  It's been a while too. Thanks for the popcorn. :D
  • bullblogg said on Nov 17, 2006....
    about time someone told sean how great he truly is...go on England!!!!!!!!!
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    If I apologize for calling you stupid can we move forward with you telling me something specific you disagree with me on and why?
     
    I'll even start with one.  Having pride in yourself doesn't in anyway actually effect the size of ones skull :-).  I believe that a person who has the right amount of pride in themselves is able to admit when they are wrong and is able to look at things from anothers point of view.  I also feel that they believe that view points that are apposed to their own (when they are exclusive) are wrong.  You should take appropriate actions to fix those around you.  Sometimes it can be subtle, like I'll try to trick my fat friends into taking walks with me.  (Amazing how once they get dates they all suddely want to work out with me :-)  Maybe I just need to find them all dates)  Sometimes it takes direct immediate action.  If I saw a woman being beaten on the street I would interfere (assuming the guy wasn't so big that me getting involved would just be two of us getting our shit kicked in and nobody to call the police and carry the wounded away.
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Ok, truce for now I think.
    What is the right amount of pride though? How can you measure that? everyone will have a different answer. No two people are the same and we shouldn't mould people into our own expectations.
    You say 'You should take appropriate actions to fix those around you.' your fat friends may be happy the way they are just because you dont like to look at them that way, does not give you the right to fix them as such.
    I know I havent really given you a strong argument but I can't really get into this it doesn't affect me enough to argue it out with you.
    How bout this you joined the army or whatever you want to call it to protect your nation, but whats the % of  american people that when it comes down to it would actually class you as one of their own. I dont have any statistics but Im guessing quite low, they dont and wont ever class you as one of them because of your skin colour thats what it always comes down to. Im not being racist its what I believe to be the truth. Im not tarring everyone with the same brush but Im sure there is a lot of truth in what I say. Like 2pac says "there aint ever gonna be a black president." 
     
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    The right amount of pride is when you understand exactly what you are worth.  Its hard to define an intangible like that.  I would say somebody who strives to improve themselves while admiting that they aren't perfect. 
     
    They are my friends.  Because I like them I want them to be healthy.  Its not like I won't let them eat food or constantly tease them for being fat.  I just try to encourage them to work out and do something more than play computer games and the such.  Since they are my friends they are an extension of myself. 
     
    On that note.  I would defend America if you started just throwing slurs about because it is an extension of myself and thus something I should have pride in.  I'm a Californian, I'm a southern Californian.  I live in an area called the Inland Empire.  I have a group of friends I take pride in all of these things and try improve them when I can.  I vote so that this nation is run in the way that I think is best same for my state.  I will pick up trash in my neighborhood and paint over grafitti if I ahve the time.  I don't associate with people who's values are radically different (criminal) than my own.  If I see my friends starting to become, to fat, to thin, drugged out, etc I try to encourage them away from such habits by whatever terms are seemed to be appropriate.  If they go to far I stop associating myself with them. 
     
    If I were to believe that Bush was beyind 9/11 I would move, either to Canada or England as I've heard pretty good things about both of those nations.  IF this place was repugnant to me I would leave.  I have pride in myself and in all things that I view as an extension of myself.  I wash my car once a week, I clean it out the trash. I keep my home clean (though far from spotless, it is definitely lived in).  When I find my self getting out of shape I take steps to counteract that.
     
     
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    hmmm a response to that, you are starting to paint yourself as picture perfect.
    I cant really disagree with anything you said cos you were just talking about your life, you are you I cant change who you or anyone is.
    Just one thing though when you believe that your friends are going to far your stop assosciating yourself with them, in that case you cant  really believe what you were trying to achieve with them (i.e a friend who takes drugs, you trying to stop them) because you will have given up. You should fight for what you believe in and friends should never be given up on and it if its an extension of yourself then you just gave up a tiny bit of your character. 
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Ouch, I almost have to concede a point there.  You are right that you should fight for what you believe in.  I just believe that there is a point where you have to collect your losses and go away. 
     
    Example.  I used to have a female friend who was being abused by her boyfriend, nothing illegal per say but just wrong.  Every week or so she'd come and cry to me and tell me how he she caught him with another woman, or that he made her do something sexual that she wasn't comfortable with or he talked down to her infront of her parents or whatever.  I kept telling her she needs to stand up for herself and/or leave him.  I'd get a standard oh he loves me, he makes me happy etc.  If he makes you happy then stop telling me about this crap, if you want I should go punch him in the face that works too.  Anyway it got to a point where I refused to talk to her about that subject untils he was ready to try something new.  I still on occasion talk to her but I don't associate much with her anymore because I don't feel I can accomplish anything.
     
    I am rather full of myself.  I talk a lot of shit but I can back it up.
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I dont know if its cos Im stoned or not but I feel like Im losing. Im begining to agree on some of what you say, like you talk a lot of shit. LOL. :-)
    Curiousity really has got the better of me you can send a pic of you to univ.star@yahoo.co.uk
  • missfickle said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Uh oh.... is there an attraction brewing me wonders?
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    So no way. Im just a curious kind of person!
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Its probably because I'm talking directly to you know.  I'm on Soul Cast.  Niggas need Reparations was phrased that way rather than to say, Should African Americans/Blacks receive reparations because it is inflamatory.  If there is nothing else that I learned from Micheal Moore, Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern is that if you want somebody to lisen you need to find the most offensive way possible to say whatever it is you wanted to say. 
     
     
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I dont know any of the people you just named but I think that isnt always the way, first opinions always count. If you say something harsh straight off people will already form a negative opinion.
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I didnt need to see the second picture. LOL
     
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Sorry, I didn't think it was too racey.  :-)
     
    There is a fine line to walk though between ignored and too negative.  Honestly I'd rather people come in already negative than people not show up at all.  I don't write my blog for my health.  I want people to read it and share there thoughts with me.  There are plenty of other people on here who don't get read at all but who are saying similar things to me.  They just chose to be polite.
     
    Now look at today.  I've got three things on the front page.  If you aren't Bloc or Silver who routinely hit page one, its an accomplishment just to have made it to the front page, much less have multiple hits at the same time.
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    fair comments. Im starting to warm to you. But I doubt it will last. You talk alot like you have many opinions on all things debatable. Im sure we will soon disagree. Just start a topic on religion and the fighting power will resume.
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    I did my religion kick a few weeks ago.  I'll eventually circle back to it but I wont' be the one who starts those debates, I just comment on other blogs.  I do have strong opinions on everything debatable.  Not to mention I'm able to occasionally start a debate my accident.  Like I ask if people could change one thing in the world and blamo, there was a debate.
     
    As for the warming its mutual.  :-)
  • universalstar said on Nov 17, 2006....
    aahhh bless you. Am I the first person who youve warmed to? seems that you argue with almost everyone!, I bet they get fed up and move on. Not I, I love a good arguement.
  • BombShell said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Just joining the melee.....silver, pass the popcorn!
     
  • SeanRenaud said on Nov 17, 2006....
    Nope I like Silver, and Bloc, and Missb and realmenluvporn just to name a few off the top of my head.
  • missb said on Nov 18, 2006....

    Wee heeee...... [grins]

    Ed.... pass me the popcorn too, will ya? :)

    Cheers!

  • paidinblood said on Nov 18, 2006....
    And this round goes to...

    *censored for neutrality*

    Anyway, we need beer! *brings out a case* :D
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 19, 2006....
    [distributes popcorn to one and all]

    :>

    ed
  • universalstar said on Nov 19, 2006....

    I think the popcorns run out as with the beer this debate seems to have fizzled out. I havent seen sean here lately, maybe Ive managed to chase him away but somehow I doubt it.

    Thankyou Silver for making sure everyone was well stocked up and you PIB for the beer. LOL

  • bloc said on Nov 27, 2006....
    sean and I debate, but we get along very well. Sometimes I have to call his "spade a spade" as he likes to say :)
  • SeanRenaud said on Dec 12, 2006....

    You didn't chase me away Universal.  We just weren't arguing and I haven't seen anything of yours to catch my interest enough to call you stupid.  You're actually very cool when you're not trying to call me out.

     

    And yeah ditto what bloc said I have loads of respect for him and I'm glad he'll call me when I'm wrong, but the thing that makes me respect him is that when I call him on something he's not to big to say maybe I was wrong or hey that's interesting.  When he and I agree to disagree I don't get the impression that he's doing what most do in that situation, calling the other too stupid to understand the concept.  He and I just get to a point where we recognize we are going in circles and politely decide to reconvine at a later date.  And thus far we always have.

  • queenparanoia said on Mar 11, 2007....
    ohmygod why am i so fucking late reading this post?????
     
    and where the hell in universtar? has she gave up? hahahahahaha
     
    i think you scared her sean. anyway i find this line very funny...
     
    why do u believe ur so superior? cos u do dont u? i mean for fs sake u think ur better than sliced bread!!!
     
    so what's wrong if you think you are better than slice bread. i mean hello? it's just your tag about yourself. what's the problem with that??? what the fuck is wrong with that???
     
    hahahaha you really scared her...

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