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After last night's outburst here, I am rather red-faced with embarrassment, but I'm back.
 
I spent a rather enjoyable afternoon being the straight man for my very amusing daughter.  We have always been able to make each other laugh, which has many times earned us disapproving glares from B.  His approach to life is far more serious than mine could ever hope to be. 
 
She and I were out getting lunch, and on the way home, she took me on a tour of all her old high school haunts, quizzing me on whether I remembered this or that friend.  She brought up Smokey, a guy she was friends with her senior year.  Now Smokey was one of those guys whose friends were all girls, and they all loved him to death.  And he was gay. 
 
Which got us into a conversation about my high school days.  (Did you write on clay tablets, mom? :D )  I also had several gay friends, although I didn't find out that fact until years later.  It was, after all, 1972.  There were always guys who seemed to attract girls as friends, but never as girlfriends.  It continued on in college.  One of my very best friends in college, and my daughter's godfather, was in the closet for years.  When he finally came out to me, so many of the puzzling things about him clicked into place.  I remember telling him, "Well, of course you are.  It makes perfect sense now."  He died in the mid 80's from AIDS.  I still miss him.
 
My daughter also has a number of female friends who are lesbians.  She played sports all through high school and college  (Go ahead, ask me--I don't mind bragging.)  Apparently the cliche about female athletes is a cliche for a reason, at least in this instance.  She's mentioned several times how she and her team mates used to laugh about trying to field a straight nine. 
 
I'm not sure exactly where this blog is going.  I guess I'm just pondering the fact that so many people seem to be so freaked out by homosexuality and to me it's such a non-issue.  Maybe it's because I have a brother who's gay, and to me, he's just a guy.  Not a gay guy, just a guy.  From the number of blogs I've seen about gay marriage, it appears there are quite a number of folks who really think it's a big deal.  Believe me, my goal is not to generate more debate on the issue.
 
It's simply one of those things in life that perplexes me.


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  • silverwhisper said on Nov 08, 2006....
    it's all in how you process the information.  it honestly isn't a big deal for anyone i know IRL.

    ed
  • lioneljay said on Nov 08, 2006....
    Mimi, it puzzles the heck out of me, too. I just don't get the animosity and fear that grips some people over this matter. I just don't get it.

    Oh, and btw, most of my friends in high school were girls. :D
  • secretlife said on Nov 08, 2006....

    it's just fear mimi.  you fear what you don't understand.

    i think, personally, we've come a long way toward tolerance in my lifetime.

    i have to look at it from the positive side and not let the people filled with fear win...we win by doing that, you know?

    oh i missed your outburst, so you needn't be red-faced around me....

  • MissMimi said on Nov 08, 2006....
    Well, of course they were, LJ!  Women, even young ones, are astute and know a good man when they see one.  Never underestimate the appeal of a good flogging arm.  And I'd expect no less from you, being the bright guy you are. :D
     
    ed, I really think the further away you get from big cosmopolitan areas, and the closer you get to smaller cities, nevermind our conservative friends in the Bible Belt, the tighter the twist in people's shorts over this issue.  And, LJ and SL are right.  It is fear, an irrational one, in my opinion.  I've seen it in my own family.  It took my father years to accept the fact that he had a gay son.  Not that he's accepted it now--he just refuses to acknowledge it either way.
     
    I do think society has come a long way, SL, and that benefits everybody.  But I've seen my brother struggle with the self-hatred because of narrowminded attitudes.  I'm an idealist I guess.  I want it to be better.  Right now.  (I'm not particularly patient either.)
     
     
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 08, 2006....
    note to self: never leave the suburbs of large population centers.  :>

    ed
  • Zayda said on Nov 08, 2006....
    MissMimi--to me, it's the same kind of fear that breads other things like racism.  People fear what they don't understand especially if that lack of understanding is something that comes from a difference in people, whether that difference is a difference in skin color, spoken language, religious beliefs, of sexual peferences.
  • lioneljay said on Nov 08, 2006....
    Z's point is well taken and it makes me wonder to what extent racism is an outgrowth of tribalism. And since tribalism was the drive that caused us to band together (or that grew out of the success of having banded together, take your pick) and succeed, it no doubt has roots very deep in the socioethnological pits of our brains.

    However, we have learned through society's growth and evoluton that remaining within tribes is no longer necessary for survival. You'd think, then, that people would have gotten over it by now.

    Alas, they have not.
  • sweet*nothing said on Nov 08, 2006....
    Just the other day I was wondering why people on SoulCast seem to be so obsessed with homosexuality and gay marriage. It isn't a big deal (or even a topic of conversation) IRL for me either, and I thought maybe it was because I live in a big city.  That said, I couldn't help but wonder whether all the hoopla about homosexuality on SC is because these issues are on people's minds but are not being discussed IRL for fear of sounding bigotted and politically incorrect.  I was actually a little saddened to think that it was entirely possible that all these people around me IRL are silent on the issue but blog secretly online about it in ways we've seen here.
     
  • b.b.mack said on Nov 08, 2006....
    I can't for the life of me understand the problem. My brother and my best friend are gay and I wish they could each find that one person and settle down in a legally binding relationship. I think people in general have a base need for affirmation, which is probably why gay men and women are seeking the right to marry; and it's probably also why the opposition doesn't want that to happen.
  • elleb84 said on Nov 08, 2006....
    for me its not about gay or lesbian people, its about them getting married. I have no problem with someone being gay, but I agreed with yesterday's blogger who noted that where would you draw the line. Polygamist and Pedophiles would want to claim the right to marriage...Its a touchy subject but this is the world we live in...
  • quidnunc said on Nov 08, 2006....
    i have no issues against gays, either. but i am still uncomfortable with the idea of allowing gay couples to get married. i still do not know if, in the years ahead, i would change my mind on the matter.


  • MissMimi said on Nov 08, 2006....
    It wasn't my intention to start yet another discussion about gay marriage, but since it was brought up... As I see it, gay marriage is the right of two human adults of the same gender, of legal consenting age to enter into a legally binding union with all the rights, responsibilities and advantages of heterosexual marriage. Let me repeat that: two HUMAN adults of legal consenting age. Not snakes, not porcupines not armadilloes. And most certainly not children. Children cannot enter into any marriage; why would you even think gay marriage laws would allow it? And why would you think polygamy would suddenly be legal if gay marriage was legalized? Polygamy has nothing to do with sexual preference. Those statements make no sense. Oh, and by the way, pedophiles already marry. There are no pedophilia questions on a marriage license application. Gay marriage does not threaten the institution of traditional marriage. In my opinion, the 50+% divorce rate poses a much bigger threat. If it makes you feel safer to call it a civil union, then by all means, call it a civil union. It's not about what it's called. It is most definitely about all adult citizens of the United States having the same rights.
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 08, 2006....
    well said, mimi.

    i actually did a rather extended explanation of why gay marriage should be a complete non-issue some weeks ago.

    ed
  • CreativeWoman said on Nov 09, 2006....
    I live in a rural area in the Midwest.  Homosexuality is still something that is whispered about here.  It has very negative connotations.  That doesn't mean that's my opinion.  It's just how it is.  People seem to be very narrow minded about it.

    CW
  • Alyss said on Nov 09, 2006....
    Mimi for me it's a total non-issue too and as I was reading the comments I found myself muttering to myself 'in many ways it's similar to racism...' and then I find that Zayda has said exactly that.

    I've lived in a large city and 'out in the sticks' and now in a mid-sized town and really it seems to be that it's not so much the population size of the area you live in but more to do with the attitude of the inhabitants.
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 09, 2006....
    alyss: i agree, and this is why gay marriage is for many a civil rights issue.

    ed
  • FaithfulDisciple said on Nov 09, 2006....
    Gays, lesbians, bis and straights, these are just labels.  Nobody has a right to judge others by their sexual preference.  Whose to say what is right for others, certainly not you nor I?  The important thing is the inner character of the person and their intentions.  If two people whatever gender they may be wishes to live together and find happiness with one another, who are we to judge them.  Even if same sex marriage was banned or outlawed, their union wouldn't be prevented or stopped.  So let them live their lives according to their choices for they also bear responsibilities for such choices.
  • scalywag said on Nov 09, 2006....
    I'm just weighing to say it's not a big deal to me either.  that's all
  • rmuxagirl said on Nov 09, 2006....
    I don't see it as a big deal.  Just because they have a different sexual preference doesn't make anyone different.  Like you said my gay friends are just guys and just girls. 

    I agree with Faithful.  it's all labels and what imporant thing is their inner characters.  Who am I to judge anyone or think differently....
  • gingersoul said on Nov 09, 2006....

    MissMimi, no deal whatsover.

    I dont' see them as gay but as person. I have several gay friends and lesbians. My sister was planning actually to have a baby with one of her gay friend, he is one of the most lovable person in the world.

    I like what LJ said....tribalism helped us survive, at this point our society need to leave behind that survival skill....but yet there are things like religion, education and disinformation that lead people to fear anything or anybody different from them. We might be spiraled forward in our evolution but we are still so behind sometimes...

  • satyr said on Nov 10, 2006....
    Many of my friends are gay.  We socialize because we have common non-sexual interests.  I will admit I am a bit uncomfortable when there is much PDA - but I think the same would go if it were a heterosexual couple. 
  • BlogObsessed said on Nov 11, 2006....
    What CW said above - small rural towns are still a problem.  I know from personal experience and I am very bothered when I hear people I know in this one town speak unkindly about homosexuals.  It is always a jolting reminder to liberal-minded me that there are many in the world who are still unaccepting and that those of us who are need to take care and not take it for granted and think that it is a non-issue anymore.  It is still very much an issue - gay rights - though sadly so.  Does this make sense?

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