silverwhisper's tags:
it’s a question of lust
a question of trust
a question of not letting
what we’ve built up
crumble to dust—depeche mode, a question of lust

as an erstwhile child of the 80s, depeche mode constitutes a significant portion of the soundtrack for that time of my life. another of their tunes, somebody, was the song to which my wife and i danced at our wedding, as did a number of couples i imagine that were married around that time.

trust is important: it’s one of those gifts we give others that signal belief, a topic about which i blogged previously. when you believe in a thing or person, you trust that thing or person conforms to your understanding of him/her/it and that this is a good thing. and certainly you trust that whoever or whatever you trust won’t hurt you.

sadly, it’s not exactly an unusual experience to have your trust betrayed. sometimes, it’s done in small ways: a careless word or sentence at the precise wrong time that causes a terrible wound. sometimes, it’s done in big ways—a drunken episode that ends a marriage. these betrayals happen every moment of every day around the world. broken faith is something of an epidemic in the human experience.

yet we continue to trust. and we do it b/c we must.

trust is the basis of how we communicate. and it doesn’t matter what language we use, if we even use a language to do it—trust is given sometimes with a gesture or action more deeply and fully than a word.

if i trust you, this means that if i tell you something, i have reason to believe that you will not repeat to all and sundry. and that is the heart of trust: expecting behavior consistent w/ your experience. just as surely as you know that fox news will spin a story to benefit a conservative point of view, just as surely as you know that the new york times will spin a story to benefit a liberal point of view, you have experience which tells you that this person or institution will behave in a way that conforms to your expectations.

in a sense, trust is based on logic for the most part. fox news has an obvious pro-conservative bias. the NYT has an obvious pro-liberal bias. have you ever compared a news item covered by both sources? the facts are generally the same but where in the story various facts appear, how they’re emphasized or played down, the headline, how prominently the story is displayed—all of these things demonstrate the biases of both organizations. and anyone who’s read either can see this: it’s what they do with every single story. so the experience of anyone who’s examined either source would lead them to conclude that any future such news items would be similarly slanted. you can reliably trust either news organization to do those things.

that’s a form of trust, to be sure, but let’s face it, that’s a pretty superficial form of it.

trusting people—that’s the kind of trust that’s more interesting to me. and just as w/ institutions, trust is in part a function of logic: your previous experiences w/ a given person tell you whether he or she is trustworthy. and as they continue to repay that trust, you will be disposed to trust him or her more in the future. while we all earn trust from others in varying increments that are dependent upon how we’ve been trusted and how the person who trusted us perceives how well we’ve honored that trust, most of us continue to accumulate that trust every day.

as i said: we trust b/c we must. we need to talk sometimes about the things that are on our minds. some of us do it more, some of us do it less, but we all do it.

trust matters. trust is important. and we should recognize that we need to do this.

so how easily do you trust? does it come easily or hard? or is it not at all important to you? comment and let me know.

ed



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  • Alyss said on Nov 05, 2006....
    I don't trust people easily I have been hurt too many times over the years to give it away freely. If I tell you I trust you it is about the highest compliment I can give you.

    I agree that there are degrees of trust just like any other faith based emotion where we put ourselves in someone else's hands. So whilst I might share some information with some, I may not with others. I don't think that that is merely an indication of prudence (though obviously there's an element of that) I think it's an incremental step along the path to defining to just how much I might ultimately trust you.

    Trust can be broken unwittingly and I have been that person and the regret and guilt that comes with that failure is magnified by the value that I ascribe to trust. Breaking trust deliberately is not something I have ever done ~ yet. I'm adding that proviso as no one is infallible, though I hope I would never do it.
  • secretlife said on Nov 05, 2006....
    in my real life, trust comes very hard for me.
     
    it didn't used to be this way.  i used to trust people far too easily, and learned lessons the hard way.
    this is especially true of my marriage.
     
    one of the things i regret the most about my marriage is the way it's changed me in terms
    of my ability to trust.  There are many times i feel jaded because of my experiences.
    I see it, i rationalize it, but it's so much a part of me now, that i find myself looking for the negative
    instead of trusting in the positive....
     
    it's interesting that in my online life, trust comes so much easier.
    it's like i've purposely re-invented the woman i was before-
    often i will tell people, "i'll believe anything you want me to"....
    and i truly mean that. 
     
     
  • lioneljay said on Nov 05, 2006....
    Generally I am a very trusting person and in much of life this has served me well. However, I used to be far more trusting of people that I "meet" online than I am now. Been burned a couple too many times. Still, on balance my experience with meeting people online has been successful and I have been very happy with everyone whom I chose to meet in person.

    Somewhere in our core there is a decision-making mechanism for whom we feel that we can trust. It's essentially sub-conscious, I think, but over time we learn to provide oversight from our more rational parts.
  • Alyss said on Nov 05, 2006....
    {hugs} for SL.

    The damage of trust within a marriage for whatever reason seems to me to be one of the hardest to recover one.
  • Zayda said on Nov 05, 2006....
    I have a terrible time trusting most people because I have been hurt far too many times--both emotionally and physically--in the past to give any level of trust to anyone easily, and it's much much harder to get my full trust.  (And yes, I think there are levels to trust.)

    I'm also prone to throwing up walls and roadblocks to keep people out of a certain spaces if I feel like they are getting too close. I do it as a defense mechanism, and my closest friends are well aware of that tendency, but have managed to work their way around it.

    And if you break my trust--unless it's done inadvertently--I find it very difficult to give that trust back, to let someone in that close again. 

    Sometimes, I dislike that I don't trust more easily, but I found that having misplaced my trust a couple of times and being burned severely for it, I would rather not be trusting than be burned like that again.

    I found recently, that I'm not sure that levels of trust are always reciprical; for awhile now, I've had a friend who trusted me far more than I trusted, but this friend understood how very hard, based on the past experiences it was for me to trust.  Fortunately, my friend is patient to a fault and just stuck with me and let me set the pace of our friendship so that the levels of trust between us became more balanced when I was ready for them to.  I was fortunate that this friend saw something in our friendship that was worth being that patient for.  And I am very thankful for that patience.
  • Jenna said on Nov 05, 2006....
    Ed,
     
    I read this earlier...in fact I was your first view.  I needed to give it some thought. 
     
    Down deep, I am a trusting soul.  Through out my life, I have trusted quite easily.  I think this is so, because I am a trustworthy person. I have difficulty understanding those who are not. 
     
    But...in my life...most recently the past ten years...my world has been turned upside down by betrayals and hurt and broken trust. 
     
    For awhile, I decided to trust no one.  That was my motto. 
     
    But then I realized by trusting no one, I was missing out on so much joy!
     
    I have chosen to trust once again...not as easily or as willingly as before....and yes my trust issues do interfere at times in my relationships.  But I would rather trust and feel life than remain numb.
     
    I also realize by doing so I am setting myself up for perhaps another betrayal.  But I have learned that I am a very strong person and get through pretty much anything.
     
     
  • carmachu said on Nov 05, 2006....
    heh, doesnt come well. Its something to be earned. But once there....its held easily.
  • gingersoul said on Nov 05, 2006....

    Trust? I have to say that, amazinlgy, i am still able to trust people.

    I say amazinlgy because after being betrayed in any possible way by the person i loved more than myself  i consider now i tract of my resilience and strenght the ability of still being able to trust. Men, particularly.

    Alyss, you are right... trust is difficult to recover within the ruin of a marriage...but not impossible. The betrayals eat from the inside and what might look as a smooth surface is full of holes and cracks...

    My first betrayal came from a friend. She cheated me with my boyfriend. My boyfriend cheated on me with her. I broke up with him and decided to work through that difficult time and build a better relationship with her. The wisest choice of my life. And coming from a person like me who tends to tie around a finger any break of trust.

    Men are more difficult to forgive. My ex would accuse me later on of not having really forgiven him fro his betrayals. I told him that i couldn'n forget, that was too much to ask, but i truly had given him back my trust. Some would say that you don't really forgive until you dont forget. I disagree. The memory doesn't hunt you anymore but it will be always with you... 

    Maybe, like Jenna, deep down i am still a trusting soul.

    Like Secret, online i tend to trust whatever other says about themselves.....and i can only hope others trust me  too...

  • the_infernal_optimist said on Nov 05, 2006....
    I doubt any of you remember my early blog, "Up," but I talk about trust there.

    I think our trust is worth more when it's been shattered by someone we deeply cared about, and were totally unprepared for betrayal of that magnitude.

    Trust is vital to relationships, and the inherent risk is part of building a comfort zone with that person. For them to be a safety net when you need them, there must be hard ground far below, you know? Otherwise, why would we have this need to love and trust and depend on other people? If you could love and trust everyone completely, implicitly, it wouldn't mean as much.

    I'm tired, so my thoughts are all hazy. Sorry about that.
  • Expendable said on Nov 06, 2006....

    We all get burnt at some time. I don't trust a lot of people. And there's some that don't trust me. I'm sure we all have our reasons.
    Sometimes I think it's our expectations that are to blame. We go in thinking everyone has the same thing in mind - and they don't. And each time we get burned, we get a little more paranoid and cynical. It's a vicious cycle. You find yourself openiing to someone, then one minor thing makes you wonder if you've made a mistake, your paranoia making that first crack in trust.

  • silverwhisper said on Nov 06, 2006....
    alyss: i agree that's among the greatest compliments possible.

    SL: i find that being online forces me to redefine myself a bit now and again, too.  you aren't alone in that respect and i can hear the bitterness in your "voice".  i'm sorry.

    LJ: i agree that trust is hard, and i know a thing or two about having had online trust broken.  although perhaps not as vividly as you.

    super z: i'm sure that your friend understands your apprehension.  none of us have spent much time living w/out having been burned by trusting, after all.

    jenna: exactly!  by not trusting, we all miss out on something--by not trusting we cut off the peaks as well as the valleys of living, i think.

    ginger: sometimes, the hurt is too much and while you can forgive him, it's possible he couldn't forgive himself.

    infernal: don't apologize, i think you were making plenty of sense.

    expendable: i find that i prefer to be vulnerable.  but then again, vulnerability is a subject upon which i've already spilled considerable online ink.

    ed
  • FaithfulDisciple said on Nov 06, 2006....
    Trust is probably the most hardest to earn of all virtues.  Before one can be worthy of trust, it presumes that we are intimately knowledgeable of that person's character to whom we bequeath our trust.  There is a saying that betrayed trust is much like a crack in the glass that makes it so fragile it can easily break.  IMX, it's the same thing with marriage and friendship.  The damage caused by betrayed trust within marriage and friendship is sometimes irreparable that it's best not to betray that sacred trust at all.  Hard earned trust is also hard to recover once betrayed.
  • lioneljay said on Nov 06, 2006....
    Despite having experienced and witnessed some truly inexcusable and immoral breaches of trust online, I find that I'm still more likely to be open to meeting someone new online than not. Now, by this I mean getting better acquainted through electronic media and nothing more.

    A quick example: a guy I knew from another forum fell hard for a woman that he met there. After a few months of chat and emails, they swapped pictures and started talking on the phone. Six months or so into the friendship she agreed to meet him for coffee at a shopping mall. Afterwards it came out that she not only used her niece's picture (she's in her late 30s and the niece is 15 years younger) to keep him interested but sent her niece to meet the guy in person. Now, not only is this terribly dishonest, but think of the risk that she asked her niece to take on her behalf. You never really know if the person who seems so polite and friendly online is actually an axe murderer. You just don't.

    And this one is not even the poster girl for online dishonesty.
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 06, 2006....
    FD: "hard-earned trust is also hard to recover once betrayed"...mm.  so true.

    LJ: this woman was obviously a headcase.

    ed
  • EvilTwin said on Nov 07, 2006....
    I do not give my trust freely, and I agree that it is indeed a compliment for me to offer it to someone without question.
     
    For me, there are varying degrees of trust.  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.  Upon a first meeting or introduction, there is definitely a limit as to how much I am willing to trust someone.  But given time, I might offer more.  But I do not ask for it in return unless necessary.  I prefer to earn trust and respect from others, rather than openly ask for it.
     
    I too have had my trust betrayed.  And I have hurt friends when I have betrayed their trust, however unintentionally.  It hurts.  A lot.  Sometimes more than I can bear.  But I try to learn from all of these things and continue on... 
     
    Truth to tell, there is only one person that I trust totally, completely.  My soulmate.  And I trust her more than I even trust myself...  And I cherish her trust in me.
     
     
  • EvilTwin said on Nov 07, 2006....
    Then there is the matter of personal safety.  Physical safety, mainly.  I have been told that I tend to be a bit on the paranoid side wehn it comes to personal physical safety when surrounded by strangers.  It is a habit I picked up that has quite literally saved my life a couple of times.  But does that mean I am untrusting in that regard?...
  • silverwhisper said on Nov 07, 2006....
    ET: no, i don't think that means you're untrusting.  i think it means you're just more observant than the rest of us.  :>

    and trust is a funny thing: it's hard to ask for it outright, isn't it?  it kinda defeats the purpose, so to speak.

    ed
  • moyz said on Oct 30, 2007....
    I finally got here Silver.... Wow...it's a great post as always...It is not so hard for me to trust people but I am so open and so myself that sometimes it's crazy. I get hurt in the process but I still find myself trusting people...but I trust more online than in real life...maybe coz I never seek out online buddies in real life and the twice that i did we ended up being great friends...but when a lvoed one betrays your trust ... then it's hard for me to regain the trust ever again.....
  • silverwhisper said on Oct 30, 2007....
    hello, moyz! i agree, a betrayal of the heart is incredibly painful. i've been on both sides of it, and you know, they both suck. i am sorry that you've been there yourself.

    ed

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