• SeanRenaud said on Nov 02, 2006....

  There really isn't a market solution to this problem.  It sucks to be a yummy animal always has.  Since the advent of mankind it has sucked to be yummy.
   
  Now that we know better steps should be taken to prevent certain animals from going extinct.  Which ones I dunno.  I won't say all because obviously some of them are useless and we know they are useless.  Take the Panda for instance, there are so few of them left that whatever impact they may or may not have on their enviroment is already done with.  The same could be said for any species who's population is so low that they cannot effectively find mates any longer. 
   
  However there is no market solution to this unless once again people are both educated and motivated.  Its kinda hard to sell Tuna that isn't dolphin safe these days wouldn't that qualify as proof that educated and motivated people can force market change/

• bloc said on Nov 02, 2006....

  This isn't about animals going extinct per se. It's about the market being unable to control itself. Think of it this way. The fishing industry will be really really hurt when there aren't many fish left. But they keeping on going down that road because of market forces.
  
  You are right in that people can affect the market, but you never answered my question from the other post. Can any normal person know all of the issues surrounding even half of the products they buy? Can you tell me how your pencils were made? How they got shipped to the store? How your food got shipped to the store? Where the napkins at disneyland come from?
   
  Can you really expect people to know all these things about most of the products they buy?
  

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 02, 2006....

  If I didn't answer that sufficiently before I apologize, I try not to duck you.  No I've got no clue how my pencil was made or half, she the only thing in my house I know for sure how it was made are the eggs and that's because I buy from a guy who has a chicken ranch in his backyard.  Once I got there early and help him gather the damned things.  I also don't care.  I never said I'm not lazy some/most of the time.
   
  Somebody does know how these things are done how our pencils are made, what effect styrofoam has on the government and how much dolphin goes into our tuna.  When one of these things reaches a point where somebody feels that it is a problem they start informing others about what is going on, if nobody cares, take wal-mart for instance people smile and nod then tell them about the low prices.  I should know I only shop Wal-Mart as an absolute last resort.  If people think it is an issue, like say dolphin in our tuna or styofoam in our landfills with McDonalds years ago they start to gather and take action against it.
   
   Without slapping down liberals (who no matter how I might post sometimes I hate them a lot less than hardcore conservatives which to me includes the religious bunch to answer that before you ask) supply and demand should allow fishers to make similar profits with less fish by driving up prices.  They could probably make even more money by catching less fish but then people would accuse them of not working 100% efficency and blah blah blah.
   
  My solution would be to catch less fish while seeing what could be done to help strengthen local populations and rereleasing fish into areas where they once existed.  I'd make the same amount of money because I'd charge more for my fish and I'd spend what money I could advertisince how I'm a young hip minority male who is in tune with how people think.  I'm protecting the enviroment and looking out for your best interests.  Next to me would be Captain Hook and a bunch of pirates one of which look similar to GWB.  Those are the guys who supply fish for the other guys and you know how much they care.  (See a WaMu commercial that's the vibe I'm going for)

• bloc said on Nov 03, 2006....

  but some other person would come in and catch all the fish you left. He'd sell them to restaurants where people don't ask how they were caught or by whom. In fact, this is exactly what the market encourages.
  
  I think your suffering from wishful thinking. Don't answer me, but think about it. Can people really keep up with most the things they buy? Can keeping up with one or two really solve all the issues?
  

• SeanRenaud said on Nov 03, 2006....

  I probably am wishfully thinking.  I already said in the first post that there was no market solution to this.  I said what I would try.  No people can't keep up with what they buy and keeping up with one or two while that might eventually solve all the issues its like the issue of affirmative action.
   
  Without forcing people to hire women and minorities (in theory) they should eventually go under because somebody else will higher the minories, women and white males and thus will have a superior work force, put out a superior product etc etc.  Eventually is a long long time though.

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