• simplyconfused said on Nov 02, 2009....

  Thank you for the bed time story! ^_^

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 02, 2009....

  simply:  You're very welcome.  G'night.  :)

• Me-Myself&I said on Nov 03, 2009....

  so that's where the tides come from, always wanted to know! ;~)

  how ya doing Grape?

• Hegemone said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Huh, that's pretty neat Grape.  For some reason this really strikes a sort of interested spark in me to find more stories like this.  Too cool.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 03, 2009....

  MM&I:  Well...  The tides have to be explained somehow, and a lovelorn creature trying to drink the ocean is as good of an explanation as any, amirite?  :)
  
  I'm doing better.  The dead have moved on, but the living has to keep on living, you know? 
  
  Hege:  Glad you liked this little story.  Are there other stories like this?  Now you've got me curious.  :)
  

• travelr712 said on Nov 03, 2009....

  how can you be thirsty? you're grape koolaid for god's sake! :-P
   
  nice story though. i've always liked the comparison of how selfish and vendictive gods were portrayed as b.c. and how loving, kind and altruistic they are portrayed as a.d.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 03, 2009....

  trav:  Perhaps it is that I'm wandering the earth quenching the thirst of others while I myself go thirsty?  Perhaps because I detest Koolaid? 
  
  I don't detest Koolaid, actually.  I love it, in fact.  Though I haven't had a chance to drink it in a long time.  It's really just a relic of the past. 
  
  Well...  What you say about the god(s) is true to a certain extent.  The OT GOA(God of Abraham) was a jealous, insecure god, like James Brolin before Barbara Streisand.  The NT GOA however, does seem to be a more forgiving sort. 
  
  The pantheons of other gods, i.e., Greek, Roman & Norse, were more like us mortals in a sense that they were prone to fits of passion, lust, longing and all the other trappings of humanity that makes existence bearable, maybe even interesting, no? 
  

• travelr712 said on Nov 03, 2009....

  or maybe you're getting thursty from all the dust you kick up breaking through walls yelling OH YEAH!!! ?

  i like that, 'like james brolin before barbara streisand'. the pantheons seem to be immortal beings with human characteristics and a few supernatural powers, each one having their own control over an element of nature or whatnot. there isn't much talk about a soul or an afterlife with them. and in fact, the OT doesn't really talk about an afterlife either, it talks about the realm where the GOA, an immortal being, lives and controls the universe from. the 'afterlife' concept is more egyptian, which is why it started sneaking in with the joseph to moses crowd, and became central with the jesus crowd as whoever the person was that this characture is based on reputedly spent his formative, most impressionable years in that country with their religions. i have long been of the opinion that man created the gods in his own image, not the other way around. :-)

• fragglesrock said on Nov 03, 2009....

  I really latched onto this.  What a great writing. I'm fully able to empathize with the thirsty creature.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 03, 2009....

  trav:  Could be.  There's a lot more asbestos in these walls than you realize.  :)
  
  The Christian idea of hell is definitely a derivative of the Greek idea of the afterlife.  A lot of NT was written in Greek, you know?  Aimed at a Greek audience, too.  (At least a lot of the writings by epistle Paul was aimed at the Greeks, hence the letters to the Corinthians and Thessalonians & etc.)
  
  fraggles:  I'm glad you enjoyed this little story, and that you could relate to this creature, as the suffering of this creature is a condition that I see all too common these days.  (I myself included)
  
  So what is it that you hunger for my dear?  :)
  

• fragglesrock said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Oh geez, that's quite the question right there.  It's something I'm working on figuring out for myself :)  I hunger for food and also to be thinner and prettier, sometimes I hunger for money, at times I hunger for companionship, of course like most, I do hunger for intimacy, I hunger for my past, I hunger for my future, for attention, for the things I've missed and for the things I will never know, other times I hunger to be left alone, and then, after all is said and done...I really just hunger to be content.

  How's that for a can of worm?! lol :)

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 03, 2009....

  frags: 
  
  
  
  Only if there was "Hungry like the Cougar", huh?  :D
  

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Oh and I hope you're satiated soon...  :)

• fragglesrock said on Nov 03, 2009....

  That was one of my favorite songs! Haha!
   

• pickersplock said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Maybe he should have his stomach stapled.
   

• travelr712 said on Nov 03, 2009....

  yes, aimed at the greek, roman and asia minor churches that paul (who was taught by ciaphus the former high priest) planted. that was the religion that became the european christian religion, not the one that originated in isreal. the christianity that originated in isreal was gone within 100 years, never to be seen again.

• gingersoul said on Nov 03, 2009....

  Oh, but the cougars are always hungry, Grapey.......didn't you know it?...;-p
  
  And to follow yours and Trav line of thought........the OT God needed to be that severe and inflexible...it was reflecting the most archaic societies in need of rules and laws to grow.
  
  In the NT, God is a concept sprouted from a more civilized and inter-social culture open to foreigner influences.....the idea of the angry and vindictive, eye for eye OT God, needed to be replaced at that point with a God that had to be more compromising, flexible, understanding of the social tensions and therefore forgiving and more human.
  
  It's the need of the society that dictates the shape of their religions.
  The gods of the Incas were like the OT God, for example...blood lusting and ferocious....the level of empathy in that society was minimal...therefore, their gods had to reflect the hierarchy of the social structure, and the fear was the weapon that glued the citizens to the controllers..
  
  Greeks didn't need anymore at one point to use fears to maintain the equilibrium within their political and social structure .....they had their philosophies and laws and ethic schools to take care of that.
  
  Therefore they could imagine a Pantheon of silly and frivolous gods most of the time more occupied to mess around with each other and fornicate like bunnies with fauns and nymphs that being an example of virtue for the humans.....;-)
  
  
  
  

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 04, 2009....

  frags:  Glad you liked it.  :)
  
  pickles:  Ha!  :D
  
  Silly pickles, there's no gastric bypass surgery or the lap band in the land of myth. 
  
  Trav:  To say that an offshoot messianic cult of Judaism has nothing to do with the religion it eventually spawned is not really accurate, is it?  I do agree that the two have little in common, but you can't deny the connection, I think. 
  
  Amore:  Are they now?  Though I doubt that you're as hungry as I.  I'm no cougar, as you know.  Not even close.  Heck, I'm not even a coyote (I guess that's what they call older guys preying on younger girls?)
  
  Interesting point you made there.  It seems like you're trying to say something about the native religion reflecting the level of development that particular native civilization might have reached.  Interesting point. 
  
  I do find it interesting that the propagation of Christianity would not have been as effective if it had not taken advantage of the Roman channels of communications (roads, ships, etc).  Needless to say that region (the Middle East) has had a greater impact to world development and history compared to its small geographical area. 
  
  Thanks for the lovely music and the imagery.  It was beautiful.  :)
  

• travelr712 said on Nov 04, 2009....

  oh, i didn't mean to suggest there was no connection grape. for one thing, the propogator of the religion that spread across europe was at first the biggest opponent in that same land. but that person did not learn the religion from the proported originator, the 'messiah', he learned it from the high priest that was said to have persecuted that 'messiah'. so is there a connection? yes. but paul did not stay in the middle east for long, he went to europe and asia minor. he originated the church at rome which eventually became the roman catholic church and then the holy roman empire. the new testament has only has 7 books that were not written by either paul or paul's (not christ's) desciple, luke. three of those books were written by 'christ's' brother john. three were gospels written by desciples of 'christ', but 30+ years after the events. 1, hebrews, is writer unknown, but attributed to paul. add this all up, most of christianity, most of it's phylosophy, tradition and ritual come from paul, who was never a desciple of the jeruselam religion, he started his own version in other countries. the jeruselam church lasted about 100 years and then was gone.

• GrapeKoolaid said on Nov 04, 2009....

  You have your facts right, but I don't agree with your conclusion.  The synoptic gospel is the core of the NT.  There's your Jerusalem Church right there.  Different, evolved maybe, but not gone, I'd say.  

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