Has anyone been following the story of the gang rape at the San Francisco area Richmond High School?
It has been a week since the gruesome event and so far there has been no mention of the race of the victim.
Only because of the obvious nature of the crime were the attackers identified. It is hard to hide gang violence.
Since then, I have read article after article trying to explain how it was inevitable, how the phenomenon "the bystander effect" played a role in the hideous crime.
Why does the media feel the need to hype racism when the perpetrators are white and the victim isnt, but when the tables are turned, then racism doesnt even come into the picture.
Why isn't this being reported as a hate crime?
D6fer posted on Nov 01, 2009
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beyondtheveil said on Nov 01, 2009....
I'm guessing that white people can't be victims of hate crimes unless they are gay or associated with abortion. -
D6fer said on Nov 01, 2009....
Yes liberal causes are still protected.....typical of the fair and balanced media. -
secretlife said on Nov 01, 2009....
it didn't even occur to me to question the race of the perpetrators or the victim d6-i did find it very sad that there's a cop-out/excuse/"syndrome" called bystander effect.i used this rape in my CCD lesson plan this morning, as we were discussing the concept of "neighbors" and our obligation to our "neighbors"-there's no excuse for those who particpated and for those who watched- regardless of their race. -
D6fer said on Nov 01, 2009....
and there is no excuse for the media to use excuses for it. -
gingersoul said on Nov 01, 2009....
Rape is rape.
No matter the skin color of the perpetrators or their victims.
And gang rape is even more disgusting.
And witnessing a gang rape and not doing anything to stop it, not even calling anonymously for help, its even worse.
Coward-y to the extreme.
Those watchers should be held responsible for the rape just like the animals who were raping that poor girl.
Also, rape is beyond hate crime. Its more disgusting than hate crime. In some cases its hate crime using sexual assault as weapon...
That's because rape is emotionally more powerful than anything else. A gun wound will heal.
Rape destroys the deepest core of the victim. Forever.
I refuse to talk politics in this kind of matter.
Liberals and conservative....i give a fuck.....
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D6fer said on Nov 01, 2009....
I guess it wasnt political in the case of the falsely accused Duke U Lacrosse team was it?
The media makes it political.....the only thing that makes that irrelevant is whether or not you are liberal.
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cuppajava said on Nov 01, 2009....
you should try living in this country for about 6 months, -south africa - they give the words hate speech and hate crime a new meaning.As Ginger said -rape is rape.A group of 3 boys were arrested last week for the rape of a 13 year old girl (at school) and recording it all on their cellphone camera,for distribution at school - the boys were 14 years old.Now someone needs to tell me what the fuck a 14 year old is doing with a cellphone at school,and what the fuck they know about rape and penetration of a 13 year old girl.The world,yet again,amazes me -
writergrrl said on Nov 01, 2009....
Putting politics in this takes away the fact that this was a horrible crime. It makes it something its not- something it shouldn't be. I agree with ginger, rape is rape. Stop making it something its not. -
javadewd said on Nov 01, 2009....
Well, rape is rape unless by Whoopi Goldberg's standards... Then it's just "rape," not "rape rape."
Whatever happened to the "Good Samaritan" laws??
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D6fer said on Nov 01, 2009....
writergrrl.....the media are the ones who are trying to make this something it's not....they are attempting to justify the actions by gang members.....blame whitey....blame society.....I say blame the gangs....blame the communities that support / ignore them. -
sheltercrow said on Nov 02, 2009....
I have yet to find an article about this incident that mentions anything about race or politics. What rag did you get your stuff from? -
javadewd said on Nov 02, 2009....
Hey, according to the SFGate, she was asking for it :
Let's site their reasons/excuses for it, shall we?- A poorly lit venue for gang initiations and dopers lighting up joints
Johnson, teachers and students at least partially blame the attack on the lack of lighting, sturdy fencing or security cameras on the
courtyard, which abuts a rough neighborhood on the northern end of the
campus on 23rd Street.- Poverty-driven frustration of inner-city Richmond
- A youth street culture that glorifies thugs and applauds degradation of women
Johnson also blames the attack and much of the school's troubles on non-student "outsiders" - as several of the attack suspects are - who
regularly trespass on campus, and they are much less respectful of
authority than the students themselves....the attack stems from the way the roughest young men treat women, Johnson and the others say. And this is a problem that extends far
beyond the East Bay campus' borders.- The desensitization of young men through violent video games, music and language
"This is like a lot of schools, where most of the kids are good kids - and then, we know which ones are going wrong," said Charles Johnson,
one of Richmond High's security specialists.
Hmm... So far I don't see anybody stepping up and taking responsibility for anything. I see the people who should be responsible blaming everything -- including the sun, moon and stars -- for this tragedy. I'm sure that the school will probably sue the electric company for not supplying sufficient lighting to the area. Perhaps they will sue the surrounding "big corporations" for not hiring these violent street thugs under affirmative action laws. Maybe they'll even ban video games, music and filthy language, or even require all males to go through a sensitivity course. Yeah, I'm sure that will be used as a template to stop all violent rape.
I think that these criminals hoped that at best these spinless progressives would go this route. I think that they hope that the courts will let them off, too, so that they can become repeat offenders. A criminal believes that if the punishment isn't severe enough that they are "free" to do it again... And again... And again. That's how they define "freedom." They could even go so far as to step up their game and become this guy.
Congratulations, liberals, you want to take the carbon dioxide out of our atmosphere to kill plant-life and eventually kill us, but you'll breed ultra-violent sex offenders to rape and murder our daughters in public! Thanks. I'll put that under the list of why you criminals should be lobotomized and castrated.
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D6fer said on Nov 02, 2009....
Read it on yahoo news shelter and / or AOL news.....basically the same stuff JD lists in this last comment. -
SeanRenaud said on Nov 02, 2009....
I haven't followed this particular case to know for sure so I'll default to your position on this case until I hve more facts.
That said you do know the racial make up of this country right? You do know that whites for example are eighty percent of the country so four out of five or eight out of ten people in America are white. By contrast blacks are one out of ten and everybody else is the other one out of ten. (though because hispanics /Mexicans can be white if they want when the census comes through the numbers are probably off by about ten percent maybe fifteen)
The point is that if a gange of blacks rape a white girl it's not a hate crime. Its fell circumstance. If a gang of whites rape a black girl it's a hate crime. They (statiscally) had to let eight (or hell lets be nice three) white girls walk by before raping the black girl. It's not random.
Its the same reason why the police pay attention if three Jews are killed in a pattern but not if three Christians. Three Christians is probably random. Three Jews isn't.
I know you want to be "fair" and unbiased but really you're just suffering from minority envy. get over it.
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sheltercrow said on Nov 02, 2009....
D6fer: Sorry, I don't read hard-right evangelical peckerwood.
Out of curiosity I read some six accounts and none mentioned race or politics. It seems the local criminal element took advantage of the gal after she got drunk. It's hoped that they can be placed in the proper place where they can find out what sodomy is all about. -
javadewd said on Nov 02, 2009....
In other words, the proponent for republicansforrape.com just gave the criminals a pass. No surprise. I guess like Whoopi Goldberg, they think it isn't "rape rape." -
D6fer said on Nov 02, 2009....
Sean.....I am surprised to be honest....I cant believe that you would take such a stance....I thought you had more common sense than that.....crime is crime.....a rape is a rape and there is no excusing it.....hate crime is a bullshit term used to politicize crime.
sheltercrow....lol....I sincerely hope you are right about the sodomy lessons!
but seriously....the politics are in between the lines.....it is in the politically correct way that the articles are written.....trying to find an excuse.....someone else to blame besides the scumbags that did the crime.
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bloc said on Nov 02, 2009....
Is there any evidence that these people were motivated by race, or is this just cheap political rhetoric? -
D6fer said on Nov 02, 2009....
bloc.....yet again another liberal just doesnt get the point......everyone seems to agree that the crime is hideous.....but the post is more about the way it was reported than the crime itself.
Why does white perps = hate crime?
Minority perps = excuses?
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anonymous said on Nov 03, 2009....
bloc>>> Is there any evidence this crime was motivated by race? Well, let me ask you something. If this involved a 98% white high school, and the girl who was gang raped was black or hispanic and the males who did it were white, and the attack was of such a nature that it included beating and, in the words of law enforcement familiar with the details of the rape, the "dehumanization" of the victim, would you be arguing that there was no evidence that race had something to do with it? I doubt it. Moreover, if the facts were reversed this case would get the same kind of coverage that the bogus Duke rape case received in the national media--i.e., relentless and race-focused. -
D6fer said on Nov 03, 2009....
Sean....do you think that those national stats that you use to justify bad behavior by minorities are the same in every community? -
bloc said on Nov 03, 2009....
white perps does not equal a hate crime. To suggest that I'm making excuses for this crime is absurd d6. It's fucking absurd. The only point here is that you have an issue with race. That's been clear for a while.
@ anonymous
your example doesn't have any evidence of a hate crime. Also, the Duke rape case didn't involve charges of a hate crime either. I think the prosecutor alluded to maybe charging them with a hate crime, but he didn't, and he was a douche bag. I don't see what it has to do with this case.
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bloc said on Nov 03, 2009....
let me add this, I'm not a supporter of hate crime laws. I'm on the fence about them. I'd be interested in one of you articulating some kind of intelligent opposition to these laws. That would be an interesting discussion. This post, on the other hand, doesn't make any sense. -
SeanRenaud said on Nov 04, 2009....
You know D6 usually you're sane. also I've done a little bit of research into this case let me state the facts as I've been able to figure them out.
1. The girl was raped for hours. Starting with people who can be solidly proven via either sperm/DNA evidence or on the video if it is ever recovered should simply be executed. There is no hope (in my opinion) of ever reinstating these people into society.
2. I've yet to hear any major media outlet mention EITHER the victim or the criminals race. Though the information is out there the "major media" is simply ignoring it.
3. The stats I quote only suggest that a crime against a white is just as likely (if not more so) to be random than it is to be on purpose. Since you ask if I think that those stats hold across the board the answer is I'm not an idiot. Of course not. In the city in question (which is what YOU should have brought up instead of blustering around like I don't generally have facts at my back) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_Virginia#Demographics has just slightly under 50% whites and over that blacks according to wiki. Still more than enough to be random.
4. The defining factor in this rape by all accounts (even her friends though they phrase it differently) is that this girl was. . .niave. A bunch of guys who have already admitted to wanting to have sex with me want to go to an isolated part of the campuse that is KNOWN for bad things happening and get me drinking. Before I state my next thing I would like you to re-read part one. Particularly the part where all the men found responsible are raped to death. And then I'd like to add on that any witness who watched and cheered should also be raped, just allowed to live when its over.
If this girl didn't ask for it I don't know what will qualify as a teachable moment for girls please don't go down the dark alley with a bunch of people who want to have sex with you and drink. Seriously?
5. I do support hate laws. I don't know WHY bloc is on the fense so he gets benefit of the doubt. The only reason I'm not gungho about it is that I believe in many cases (particularly against whites or any majority hate crimes are difficult to prove. Take for example gay. If three gay guys are dragged from the back of a truck we know what the motivation was. If three straight guys are. . .well we look for other things they have in common cus you know nobody kills straight people for being straight. I know that's an extreme but I believe I've made my point) I don't know what percentage of black crime is racially motivated but I'm comfortable with the assumption that it is LESS than the amount of white crime that is racially motivated. And I do think America needs to (within reason, you'll note I'm not a strong supporter of Affirmative Action actually most of the time I'm against it all together) make the system accept minorities for a while so they can get equal footing.
Note: I don't believe whites ACTIVELY hold minorities (as a black I do mean blacks when I say this.) I do believe that like most people white bring up their own when the chance arrives. That George Bush Sr helping George Bush Jr into oil companies, governor, president wasn't because he hates blacks. IT was because Bush was his son. Same as I think the rap industry would have a lot more whites if getting a record deal didn't mean you know Dr. Dre or Jay-Z. It's not racist. Not really anyway. At worst it's passive. Still before minorities are ever going to get into the better positions it has to be fixed.
Back on subject
7. I see nothing about this case that suggests in anyway that this girl was raped because she was white. I'm sorry I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion without simply wanting to be upset with blacks. Against EXECUTE all the guilty parties. By rape. (note I don't normally support execution for rape but this is a special case by all accounts they likely would have killed the girl if cops hadn't interupted) But I don't think her race crossed anybodies mind at the get go. I'm sorry I just don't see it.
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sheltercrow said on Nov 04, 2009....
I see nothing about this case that suggests, in any way, that this girl was raped because she was white.
I think Sean makes a good assessment here. These criminals would have done the same to any vulnerable girl that got in their sights. -
javadewd said on Nov 04, 2009....
@bloc : Why I don't support hate crimes? -- Rape is an act of violence and rage and you can lump "hate" in there, too. Every act of rape, regardless of the age, gender or race of the rapist or the victim is a "hate crime." Why don't they simply up the current punishment for rape instead of trying to tack on a separate charge? Trial lawyers. Psychologists. I guess they need the money, not the "greedy corporations!"
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D6fer said on Nov 04, 2009....
JD.....you just nailed it.....why do we need stiffer penalties for something where the key should be thrown away in the 1st place.
Rape.....murder.....assault w/intent.......white, black, hispanic.....justice should be color blind.
We will never have true equality in this country until this happens.
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javadewd said on Nov 04, 2009....
Personally I don't believe that a victim of black-on-black crime should be treated with any less disdain (as though she somehow deserved it because of the neighborhood she lived in) because she's black, so why would I look on this event with any less horror if the victim were white? Rape is rape is rape, no matter what Whoopi Goldberg says!
Besides, isn't this "equality?" I don't understand the defenders' logic on this... Unless it is to feed the financial need of trial lawyers and trial psychologists.
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truthsayer said on Nov 04, 2009....
Hello, think-buddie SeanR:
You said:
5. I do support hate laws. I don't know WHY bloc is on the fense so he gets benefit of the doubt. The only reason I'm not gungho about it is that I believe in many cases (particularly against whites or any majority hate crimes are difficult to prove. Take for example gay.
If this is so...then why do you support hate laws? Why would you support something that is virtually impossible to prove. I'll go so far as to say, "impossible" to prove, unless there is a confession, or they, like some terrorists, are actually proud of what they have "allegedly" done.
Hi D6, I see we seem to have returned within days of each other. Nice to see you.
Truth
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D6fer said on Nov 04, 2009....
truth....oh now someone is going to accuse one of us of being an alt of another! lol -
SeanRenaud said on Nov 04, 2009....
Hey Truth. Long time no see. By the way D6, don't flatter yourself. You'd have to be denser than shit to mistake the two of you for the same person.
I don't believe it is impossible to prove a hate crime. Particularly not against a minority. That said you find a black guy hanging from a tree in the South most likely that was a hate crime and a white guy in the same position would have walked through it. White guy beaten in South Central probably a hate crime. Known gay guy is dragged behind a truck until dead. . .yeah probably a hate crime.
I would agree with the idea that some of these crimes are throw away the key crimes but we don't do that because people are afraid of executing the wrong people which is just stupid. And deep down (and also practically) we don't use the life sentence because it really is a fate worse than death. Shy of being Hitler I'm not sure you CAN deserve life in prison. (I'm exagerating slightly but only slightly) I do feel life without parole is MUCH worse than execution.
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bloc said on Nov 05, 2009....
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bloc said on Nov 05, 2009....
@javaYeah, I feel the same way at times. Rape is rape, why the additional "hate crime" label. I also believe that it's dangerous to charge people for thought crimes, and hate crimes seem a lot like thought crimes. Before agreeing too strongly with me, think about the "evil" muslims Bush tortured, many of whom were only guilty of thought crimes.On the other side, I understand that certain acts are more than the sum of their parts. Serious civil consequences can come from racially motivated crimes for example. With this in mind I also understand the intent behind hate crime laws. -
SeanRenaud said on Nov 05, 2009....
After a point it is. People die it's the way of the world and it sucks but it is what it is. Obviously every reasonable action must be taken to minimize the number of innocent people not only executed but behind bars period. (I notice there aren't a lot of bleeding hearts for guys who spend twenty years in jail on erroneous charges.) But at somepoint we are forced to admit that we are human and fallible and it is what it is. Bottom line is that it's a numbers game. Just like every bad thing that happens we should struggle to get it down to "acceptable" numbers and leave it be.
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bloc said on Nov 05, 2009....
"Just like every bad thing that happens we should struggle to get it down to "acceptable" numbers and leave it be."Or the state could stop killing people. I think this makes a lot more sense. -
SeanRenaud said on Nov 05, 2009....
How is putting them away for life better?
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D6fer said on Nov 05, 2009....
sean....since you've sunk to insults....it was a joke dipshit (the alt comment)
What difference does skin color or sexual orientation matter if you are dead?
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javadewd said on Nov 06, 2009....
@bloc -- Yeah, I think you and I could have a good thread talking about where to draw the line on hate crimes, especially after what happened in Texas yesterday and all of the Muslim stuff coming out about it today... And you're right, if the label "hate crimes" was directly applied to [future] civil suits, that would make much more sense. For it to be part of criminal charges just muddies the issue and draws out misnomers of race, gender and sexual preference that only divide and conquer a jury set to hang a criminal. I guess on that I'd agree with D6 "What difference does skin color or sexual orientation matter if you are dead?" Victim or criminal for that matter?
Sure, you may immediately throw the "eye for an eye, evil Christian" card at me, but look at the guy in Cleveland. Ten bodies and counting, various races, all of the opposite sex than the criminal. This guy was black and a repeat offender. So who cares what color the victim or the criminal are? If they would have caught him after one or two girls went missing and they put him to death, perhaps more than a half a dozen women would still be alive. Now, you can't kill him for each life he took. At this point there simply isn't any justice on the matter. At least they could kill him... Not make us pay for him to have three square meals and a dry place to sleep until he dies. Hell, from how he was living before, prison is a step up!
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SeanRenaud said on Nov 06, 2009....
D6. Please pull your panties out of your ass. I don't remember you having such thin skin. Fact is Truth and me go way back. To a time when it was me and bloc and ALIEN and the rest of you pups had yet hear about SC. I'd apologize but I honestly don't care about your feelings at the same time I wasn't resorting to insults, not anymore than I always do.
Skin color doesn't matter to the dead if that was what you were asking. Not everybody dies though for starters. Should we just give people a slap on the wrist for burning crosses or spray painting swastikas all over your property? I don't even think destruction of property is a felony. Are you going to claim that hanging an effigy in some ones yard is the same as toilet papering the place?
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D6fer said on Nov 06, 2009....
apples and oranges sean.....we werent talking about any of those things....we were talking about rape, murder, and such.......should there be laws for things like burning crosses on someones lawn? ....you bet....but it is kinda like an abusive spouse.....you really cant do anything about it until violence happens. -
truthsayer said on Nov 06, 2009....
Hi D6 : )
Hey everyone.
Just wondering then...
Isn't it sufficient for murder to be murder? For rape to be rape? For harassment to be harassment?
Why add "hate crimes" into the already confusing mix?
In Billie Holiday's song, "Strange Fruit", she didn't need a "hate crime" bill, to point out that these people were inhumanly and shamelessly tortured and murdered.
The problem wasn't in the laws being incorrect, or insufficient...it had to do with the fact that they were not treated like what they were...MURDERS.
The perpetrators should have been treated as MURDERERS. That is what they were.
You cannot get into people's heads and hearts and try them there. You can only try people for their ACTIONS.
I will not be an accomplice in bringing about the Thought Police era.
Besides, what do you think about Christians and Jews being persecuted? We should all be able to relate to prejudice and injustice in all people...or, we are not people, ourselves....but something hideous and far less. THINK friends.
Out,
Truth
P.S. Sean, you are my favorite "athiest" in the whole world. I keep praying though. : )
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SeanRenaud said on Nov 06, 2009....
Seriously D6 go get a drink.
We were talking about HATE crimes and being able to add it onto an existing charge. While the original post may have been about rape rape (like in this case) isn't necessarily fatal and often doesn't include a life sentence. I don't see any reason not to add hate crime in places where it is provable.
If you can prove that a crime was hate related go for it. I think you can prove in many cases that a crime was racially motivated and we have to show as a society that it is unacceptable to do that or it will continue on.
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D6fer said on Nov 06, 2009....
ok....let me pose this question : Who do hate crime laws benefit and how? -
sheltercrow said on Nov 06, 2009....
D6fer: pull your panties out of your ass. lol. -
stopmediabias said on Nov 07, 2009....
I always like thought provoking threads like this until our resident torture cunt has to come in and throw out more of his lies.
The biggest problem with hate crime laws is when the government starts making laws punishing emotions then we get into trouble. If a white guy punches a black guy in a bar-fight he gets punished but if someone hears him use the N word he gets a harsher punishment?
In most cases where hate crimes could be applied the crime is all ready so terrible that it would receive the max sentence anyway. The Mathew Shepard case, whether there are hate crimes or not on the books these kids should be tied to a truck and dragged through the streets so they can see how it feels.
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sheltercrow said 13 days ago....
Only stopmediabias could make such a glaring ignorant statement like this:If a white guy punches a black guy in a bar-fight he gets punished?
I paraphrase here...Poor people, and especially poor Blacks, are convicted of crime more often, although there is no substantial relationship between social class and the commission of crimes. There is, however, a marked relationship between class and conviction for crime.
And that an even higher proportion of persons arrested are poor and imprisoned sheds no light whatever on the criminality of the poor. These facts only identify the objects of police and court activity. There are law violators and there are law violators; one kind gets arrested, the other kind is usually left alone. It is not disingenuous to conclude, then, that those “left alone” are almost always White and/or wealthy. For in America, Whites clearly benefit from White-skin privilege. Conversely, Blacks appear to suffer from Black-skin punishment. -
stopmediabias said 13 days ago....
"sigh"
Liberals still pushing the same racist nonsense. This is not the 60's anymore and this "whites clearly benefit from white-skin privilege" is bullshit. If anything it is turning around in the opposite direction. Virtually every white on black crime the race-baiters come out of the wood-work and cry racism. Sorry we have a black president so no you guys can't push that crap anymore. Even the dreaded "n" word doesn't mean the same anymore and you guys know it.
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D6fer said 13 days ago....
Poor people, and especially poor Blacks, are convicted of crime more often, although there is no substantial relationship between social class and the commission of crimes.
Anyone who believes that statement is a damn fool......would you actually expect me to believe that white middle class neighborhoods have the same number of perps per capita than a neighborhood from the projects?
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SeanRenaud said 13 days ago....
1. I owe all of you right wingers a severe ass kicking. You know who you are.
2. Hate crimes are not limited to murder and rape. There are assaults and destruction of property in there too. The idea that whites aren't treated differently under the law is absurd. Whites are (as the law describes) assumed innocent intill proof of guilt. minorities are guilty intill proof of innocense.
Basically what Sheltercrow said is basically correct and I hate all of you for making me support that retarded cunt but she's not wrong.
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D6fer said 13 days ago....
bwahahaha! Love it!
read my last comment there sean......there is no way that per capita there are near as many crimes coming out of the white mid class neighborhoods than in the minority lower class ones.....so yes there is a direct correlation in commission of crimes to social class.....everyone knows it.....it's not politically correct though now is it?
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sheltercrow said 13 days ago....
First off sorry for picking on stopmediabias. Seems the problem is a larger one.
What is always peculiar is the lack of understanding of language....there is no substantial relationship between social class and the commission of crimes
This merely means that all social classes have the ability to commit crimes. That the commission of crimes are not class based.
commission: The act of granting certain powers or the authority to carry out a particular task or duty.
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sheltercrow said 13 days ago....
Unless you live on another planet, like some here, you may not have noticed that blacks have always suffered the racist indignity of just being black.
Is it no wonder that it's such an intractable problem when so many hold such racist ideology so dear that, subconsciously, even word definition is ignored? As in 'crimes per capita' taken to mean commission. What a shame. -
SeanRenaud said 13 days ago....
I keep forgetting that all Republicans are racist. I'll respectfully withdraw from this conversation cus I forgot I'm an idiot and thought that the Right didn't hate blacks for being black. -
D6fer said 13 days ago....
Sean....now you're just being ridiculous.
Someday blacks will realize that it is the right that is their best friend......it's the left that continues to shackle blacks into the slavery of dependence.
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sheltercrow said 12 days ago....
D6fer: Since when are all 'middle class neighborhoods' 'white'? As in...would you actually expect me to believe that white middle class neighborhoods have the same number of perps per capita than a neighborhood from the projects?
You can write about 'best friend' all day but still not consciously recognize that there is a middle class that is not all white.
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javadewd said 12 days ago....
Shittercrow, didn't your mother say it was past your bedtime? -
D6fer said 12 days ago....
not the point shelter.....there are upper class neighborhoods that are mostly minorities I suspect.....I actually thought about that after I had posted it, but didnt think anyone would split hairs over it.
it was after all a response to your comment where you specified poor blacks.......contrast.....merely contrast.
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truthsayer said 11 days ago....
Like it or not guys...the jails and prisons in this country are FULL of blacks. Full.
T
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truthsayer said 11 days ago....
I am STILL AGAINST the hate crime bill though.
When they put me, or others like me, into jail or prison for speaking our faith, our truth, our beliefs...even in love...where will you be Sean? Will you fight for me then?
T
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D6fer said 10 days ago....
Sean....I'm surprised I didnt catch this earlier.....you are confused....this isn't Richmond, Virginia....it's a Richmond High School somewhere near San Francisco.
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SeanRenaud said 10 days ago....
Without digging up the stats for San Fran I suspect the numbers would be more heavily in my favor there than they were in Virgina where it was roughly even odds. I highly doubt there are any upperclass neighborhoods that are primarily minority also.
And of course if there ever comes a day when the Thought Police are running around I'll have your back Truth. I just don't think it's a realistic problem. You know just like I don't want fat people telling me about how many healthy problems come from being anorexic. When that becomes the leading problem we'll worry about it. There is a finite number of worry in the world (which is why we don't really waste any on Darfur other than the occasional nod) We gotta use it more locally than that.
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